NEVER GONNA HAPPEN?

havocthefirs

   When you first find a game on the mmorpg sites that sparks your interest, you read all about it and follow all the information given you. However, after following all the leads for a number of years with the launch date still up in the air and completion seemingly still years away, I no longer anticipate this games arrival.

   Do'nt get me wrong I'm a huge fan of the darkfall project, it has everything I want in a mmorpg. The problem is I hear about changing engines a couple times, the vids I saw seem a bit dated, little new information is forthcoming. I'm sure the dev team (albeit small from what I've heard) are working hard, but no matter how much I'd like this game to come out, I just dont see it happening.

   I'm including a poll to see how many have these same concerns. Try not to flame me for being a noob or tell me that darkfall will rule all, yadda yadda. Please include any progress the game is making towards completion.

     

dark-merlin

how about you check the bi-weekly news on the official website and make up your mind, and not ask the newbs on MMORPG.com about what they think?

havocthefirs

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Originally posted by dark-merlin
how about you check the bi-weekly news on the official website and make up your mind, and not ask the newbs on MMORPG.com about what they think?

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   Did'nt I ask not to be flamed, also I said dont call me a noob. I check the info all the time, I just dont want generic responses. (Were exactly where we thought we would be at this point. Things are progressing smoothly. New content is being added daily. Combat is being tweaked.) I can write that crap all day, it doesnt mean too much now does it?

busdriver

So what is your point? You get a bunch of opinions about if Df ever comes out and then what? You say you're a huge fan of the darkfall project, it has everything you want in a mmorpg, but you decide you no longer anticipate its arrival... riiiight, who do you think you're fooling here?

I am in a lucky position to have a substitute for Df, Warhammer, but I know htere's a bunch of people who think Df is the only game worth waiting for, so it's not a question of whether people believe in it (Df) anymore, it's a question of lack of options.

Havoc-PK

Lmao, WoWhammer...

SaintedOne

I voted 'Yes,' that I [i]do[/i] believe the game will eventually be released.  I've been following the game on and off for a little over a year now, and have been in a guild actively awaiting clan beta since the end of May.  Though the hype of the game's release has died down a bit lately, it doesn't change the fact that Darkfall still shines as a revolutionary MMO that'll set the standard for the next generation of MMO's.  You're wondering if the project is going to be abbandoned and forgotten?  It's been in development since 2000, and there are over 35,000 people registered to the Official Forums (which has been around since like 2002-2003).  Why would they quit a project that they've poured that much time and money into, when it has that kind of a following before Beta even comes out?  Logically, it simply doesn't make any sense to me...  I do think that it'll be completed, though I can't say quite when - and will be around when that time comes.

Syloc

You've got to believe though, the longer it's taking the more you get the feeling that we are dealing with sb'ish type coder experience (i.e. new to the mmo industry).

Is it taking this long cause they're finding all sorts of bugs and performance issues? (Like SB did that the devs didn't tell us) or is it just it's just taking longer than expected to add content? REMEMBER they predicted beta like 03ish time frame.

Although i'd like to believe it's the latter, the fact that they're so tight lipped about the progress their making and the fact they keep pushing beta back (i.e. having people take a first hand account of the status of the game) makes me think it's the former.

-Syloc

SaintedOne

I personally think that it's more due to their working out the bugs and flaws than their inability to code the game...  Their breaking a lot of molds with Darkfall; going places where most MMO's wouldn't go.  Yeah, they're new to making MMORPGs, but they're not some punk teenagers who just decided to throw together the game.  I remember reading about each of the devs several months back, and they each have extensive experience in their field (especially the guy they have doing their servers).  Considering how massive this project is, and how revolutionary a lot of their features are, it isn't that surprising to me that it's taking them as long as it is to work out all the kinks...  Especially considering how small their team is.  They've said that, when they push the game into Beta, they want it to be an almost finished and polished project - almost ready to go gold.  I think all they want to do in beta is tweak how powerful skills are, or this and that, and not have a completely buggy game that the players can't run across the map of without crashing out.

Aethios

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Originally posted by SaintedOne
Their breaking a lot of molds with Darkfall; going places where most MMO's wouldn't go... Considering how massive this project is, and how revolutionary a lot of their features are...

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I think it has more to do with this than anything else. They don't really have any successful games to draw ideas from, and they're taking their time deciding which features to implement, and which to throw out. An open-PvP FPS style game has never been attempted (as far as I know) and it's very important that they get it right the first time. You should get an account on the official forums and read, there are reports there on the progress of the game, and occassionally the devs will post debate topics about a specific feature and see what the players think. It's a good indicator of what the devs are working on currently.

In any case, there are so many features in this game that are completely and totally new, and the game itself is so different than any other game, that I don't think it's fair to judge it based on what we've seen before. Just play something else, and when it comes out, switch games. Nobody's asking you to hold your breath while you wait.

Whitewalker

Having followed the game for over 3 years all I can say is that it has evolved positively. A great deal of work has been done and yes I do believe it will be released. The only reason I can offer for the game not being released is if there was a lack of interest from the public. That however is not the case, just the opposite. It has a very large fan base and in particular strong support by established guilds.

Mhorham

Yea I am sure they will kick it out the door at some point. But will it die a slow miserable death within a year or two after release? We still have no offical word on things like player housing and seige sytem. There is no mention of how it will be published and distributed. Its designed with many new features that the community at large may not like. The whole thing is totaly untested for stabillity with more than a handfull of people. Each of these things has brought down a game in late development or upon release.

I really doubt it is anywhere near release. I think it was alot closer at one point but they decided to add feratures and upgrade the graphics. Now who knows what the heck they are up to. We sure dont because they don't tell us squat

SaintedOne

No official word on the siege system?  They've told us a ton about this - you might want to re-read the official FAQ, or some old interviews by the devs.  All we don't know for sure is: what it takes to craft a siege weapon, how many people it takes to use a piece of siege equipment, and all the variations of siege equipment (though they have mentioned a few).  Player houses?  They've spoken about that a few times as well.  And many new features that the community at large may not like?  Unlike other devs, the makers of Darkfall have been listening to their fans on the official forums for a few years now.  They're taking the things that the fans want and putting it into the game.  They actually talk to the fans on the forums, and on IRC about these sorts of things.  These guys were gamers before they started making this, and are gamers even now; they're working to improve on the broken systems of other games, and to add things to their game that other games have lacked over the years.  As for the whole thing being totally untested for stability?  That one was a given: It's not even in closed Beta yet.  And you're worried that it's going to get rushed out unfinished?  How can you even assume such things, when they've worked for 6 years on the development alone, and haven't even began testing it?  I'm pretty sure that, when the devs are ready for the player base to test their game, they'll do like every other development company...  And have their players sign an NDA and run a closed beta - so that they can polish their product before release.

 

I'll agree that it's probably not going to be released anytime soon.  However, I do feel that it could enter Beta at any time.  A recent interview from one of the lead artists said that [b]all[/b] of the graphics are finished in the game, and have been for a while - that they're simply tweaking the system now to get it how they want it.  The hard part is over, but I still won't try to make a prediction on how long it'll be before the game is out.  Instead, I'll just follow the fourms while playing another game.

Apraxis

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Originally posted by SaintedOne
Instead, I'll just follow the fourms while playing another game.

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Well.. that is the only thing we can do.. live our lives, play other games, and wait until it is finished.
It could be released next year, but maybe it take another year, really noone knows.

But however, i think it is worth the waiting, because no other game is in development, which offers anything similar to darkfall. And if in near future another game similar to darkfall will be released, i will play this instead of darkfall.

But to be honest, i really do not believe any other game will release in the near future with the possibilities of darkfall. So i have to wait until darkfall is ready, and to hope it is as bug free as possible and as good as the concept sound.
If it is not as good as the concept sound.. well, than i have to wait another 10 years or longer until another development team tries anything similar.

Mhorham

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Originally posted by SaintedOne

No official word on the siege system?  They've told us a ton about this - you might want to re-read the official FAQ, or some old interviews by the devs. 

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The last thing said about player structures was that they were unhappy with the sytem and wanted to rework it. That was two years ago. I do not trust any info released prior to that. There was info and shots of strucutres on the original website that got droped when they put up the existing site along with racial mounts that no longer exist like the Spider and Artok. They have not said squat about player structures and the seige system since they came back from the comunication blackout last year

logangregor

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Originally posted by Havoc-PK
Lmao, WoWhammer...

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See you in game.

Fridelove

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Originally posted by logangregor




The whole thing is totaly untested for stabillity with more than a handfull of people. Each of these things has brought down a game in late development or upon release.
I really doubt it is anywhere near release. I think it was alot closer at one point but they decided to add feratures and upgrade the graphics.

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They're in way over their heads and its slowly showing..

you know whats funny?  Darkfalls graphics looked better 3 years ago than they do now after they supposadely updated them... this game is like de gressing instead of progressing with every year that goes by..

yes I think at some point in time there will be SOMETHING playable but it will be bug ridden and no where near what people expect it to be because its built on completely unproven technology and by amateurs. 

Their little peeks they released don't mean jack shit.. It's just talk.. A functioning public beta with 90% features in place is what means something and it doesnt look like its anywhere near that point. The writing is all over the wall.. most people just don't WANT to see it..

darkfall passed the line of being able to talk big years ago.. Now it's time to put up or shut up and go home basically.

Personally I think the whole project is doomed for failure either way.. No one is going to play this when all the newer pvp based mmorpg's and even the regular ones come out next year.  You can go play Shadowbane for free and get basically what Darkfall wants to offer.....hardly anyone does..

The people making this have absolutely no idea what deadlines and milestones are and whoever is funding them are pretty big idiots..  Its like the devs think they can just keep developing forever and than get success when they are finally done..  Fact is that deadlines and milestones are crucial to a projects success and this project overshot their deadline about 2 years ago IMO.

paade

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Originally posted by Fridelove

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you know whats really funny?

A developer from ToC makes about 20 different accounts to MMORPG.com. Then he goes and makes posts that mostly consist of bashing all other games that could be considered as a competitor for ToC. That and the blatant idiocy that shines through from every post he makes, shows that its the same moron behind these alts.

Now you may want to ask, why he does it? Is he just some ToC fanboi on a mission? I doubt that, i dont think a fan would use so much energy to praise a game that is the joke of the mmorpg history (ToC).
A more likely explanation is that he is infact a ToC dev! Yes, thats right, one of those notorious assholes that are responsible for the saddest trainwreck ever happened in MMORPGs development. Of course he could be just some guy that has money invested in ToC, in wich case i can understand his despair.

One thing this guy doesnt seem to get is, no matter how much he bashes other games, it wont make ToC look any better. In fact, it does the opposite (if such a thing is even possible anymore).

shmeagle

there was an Age of Conan developer posting on the DF boards a-while back saying if they think it can actually compete with AoC and don't they think its about time to release it. nobody thinks much of dF sadly.

Yella

I'd love to see a succesful release of this product, but to be honest its looking doubtful =/

Brainy

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Originally posted by paade



Originally posted by Fridelove

you know whats really funny?

A developer from ToC makes about 20 different accounts to MMORPG.com. Then he goes and makes posts that mostly consist of bashing all other games that could be considered as a competitor for ToC. That and the blatant idiocy that shines through from every post he makes, shows that its the same moron behind these alts.

Now you may want to ask, why he does it? Is he just some ToC fanboi on a mission? I doubt that, i dont think a fan would use so much energy to praise a game that is the joke of the mmorpg history (ToC).
A more likely explanation is that he is infact a ToC dev! Yes, thats right, one of those notorious assholes that are responsible for the saddest trainwreck ever happened in MMORPGs development. Of course he could be just some guy that has money invested in ToC, in wich case i can understand his despair.

One thing this guy doesnt seem to get is, no matter how much he bashes other games, it wont make ToC look any better. In fact, it does the opposite (if such a thing is even possible anymore).

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What game company is ToC?  Call me a newb but I am not familiar with that acronym.  I went down the games list and nothing stood out.

Sturmrabe

You are a newb! and WTF is ToC?

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Originally posted by shmeagle
there was an Age of Conan developer posting on the DF boards a-while back saying if they think it can actually compete with AoC and don't they think its about time to release it. nobody thinks much of dF sadly.

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LOL link plz!

Suitepee

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Originally posted by Sturmrabe

You are a newb! and WTF is ToC?



Originally posted by shmeagle
there was an Age of Conan developer posting on the DF boards a-while back saying if they think it can actually compete with AoC and don't they think its about time to release it. nobody thinks much of dF sadly.

LOL link plz!

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And since then,I don't think much of Age of Conan either. Not that I did anyway to begin with.

Syloc

Hey at least Age of Conan is doing something in their PR campagin. Hell they even have novels out, even though their hella corny fantasy novels that you have to be brainless to read, they have novels nontheless.

Iggymunster

I say just release the game and get it over with.  I wouldnt mind alot of patches as long as I am playing soon.

sundaysoulboy

Check their website! They are working hard on it. I have high hopes for it, the latest screens are very promising. Seems they have done more work in the last 6 months than the last 3 years ;P

knowom

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Originally posted by sundaysoulboy
Check their website! They are working hard on it. I have high hopes for it, the latest screens are very promising. Seems they have done more work in the last 6 months than the last 3 years ;P

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  I doubt that your probably just seeing more of it at this point because most of the initial coding and bugs have been sorted out allready so alot more of the focus now is on the actual game design like itemization, graphics, plot, ect...the anticipation has definatly building more and more though as little teasers are released. If you haven't been following it real closely other than it being a open pvp full loot skill based game you'll learn alot of  additional information on the main website and inside the forums. Plenty of good discussions and questions being asked by the community.