Originally posted by Berserk3r Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Elnator Actually, Darkfall COULD be a holy grail of MMORPG's... or the gameplay implementation could suck and it'll never be more than a niche game.
Don't put too much faith in news releases and developer promises. Look at Darkfall for what it is: A promising title that is worth watching. Until you actually PLAY the game, however, don't get your hopes up.
It totally depends on when you consider an MMORPG to be a holy grail. the game focus too much on PVP, and its already pretty clear the PVE will be ruined. its very, very difficult to create groundbreaking pvp AND PvE.
but maybe I'm going against my own words, and should see when the game is released, but judging from the feature list,and the gameplay movies the PVE seems a bit of low
No, no, no, no, no! It's YOU that has it all wrong. Obviously, you really don't know anything about Darkfall. The PvP isn't some crazy idea where you go into battlegrounds and capture flags. The entire world is open PvP, even in the starting racial cities. There is no "PvP system", it's just a game with the freedom to be whatever you want. You've been brainwashed by games like World of Warcraft and EverQuest. Think Ultima Online here (before Trammel).
I think your a bit confused here. I was clearly talking about the PVE here, not PVP. and even UO pre trammel wasn't this heavily based on PVP. UO didn't throw its PVE gameplay out of the window.
You're making such a big deal out of saying PvE and PvP. In Darkfall you live. Every action you make affects the world, unlike MMORPGs like World of Warcraft where everyone is the same. Players train their skills by practicing them on monsters and players. There is no grind from level 1-60 where everyone follows the same zone path. um, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "practicing" your skills on monsters IS grinding.. saying this mmorpg won't include grinding is plain ignorent.
You decide where you want to go whenever you want to go, and there will be evil players along the way that want to kill/loot you. Darkfall is all about choices.
So instead of trying to define Darkfall as a PvP or PvE game, just think of it as a very open-ended game with a lot of freedom. You aren't supposed to go out and kill 5 level 10 rats and skin their fur for Johnny, you're supposed to raise an empire and make your mark on the world.
that doesn't take away you NEED a solid PVE gameplay. its just simple as that. or else we would all be better off playing CS. without at least decent PVE, the game will just turn into a mindless ganking battlefield. and that is definitly not what UO was.
Honestly Devs who havent made a lot of games before is probably better. Look at Sony, how many games have they made from EQ1? Each following game they put out turns out to be an even larger pile of piping hot steaming deuce then its predecessor. You might think they would get better over time. I think the only thing that has the potential to ruin Darkfall is servers stability and lag. Many of the features people don't think will ever make it into the game are already in at this stage.
Originally posted by Paragus1 I think the only thing that has the potential to ruin Darkfall is servers stability and lag. Many of the features people don't think will ever make it into the game are already in at this stage.
That's the major bother on my mind also. I think they said they expect around 35-45,000 players a server; with all the proposed coding (aimed melee/ranged combat,AI,dynamic spawns,etc) and graphics and focus on 'massive PvP battles' (?),so there could well be periods of heavy lag when many players meet up.
But we'll just have to see for ourselves how well their servers handle the tide of curious players when open beta comes; there shall be many,even among the 'DnL clone' critics.
You are all jumping the gun on this one. Darkfall missed it's release date for 1 reason: The DEVS didn't feel it was ready. They took it back to ground 0 with a whole new engine and have re-coded it pretty much from scratch at this point. It was supposed to release 3 years ago, and, had it done so it would have been another Irth/D&L/Mourning that just didn't live up to any of their promises.
So they took it back to development and have been working on it since.
Now... all that said: I'm not hyping or ignoring this game or dismissing it until I SEE it. Same attitude I have towards every MMORPG in production. I *am*, however, very interested in Darkfall because if it lives up to it's promises we will finally have a true successor to UO. And that, my friends, would make me a very happy camper indeed. But... till I get to play it? I'm just interested... not excited or a fan... but interested.
Bottom line: Flaming a game before its even a playable beta is just as completely insane/ridiculous as hyping it before it's a playable beta. Bottom line: Till we experience the gameplay we can't comment on it.
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Originally posted by Elnator Bottom line: Flaming a game before its even a playable beta is just as completely insane/ridiculous as hyping it before it's a playable beta. Bottom line: Till we experience the gameplay we can't comment on it.
I shall now retire as a Darkfall fanboy,and resume my services as regular MMORPG.com poster,until the day DFO is beta released.
Yeah, I should have added that in my criticism. I believe that the final result will come out in beta and if not beta maybe release.
By the way, someone said something about most of the features being already in. That is unproven rumours....not worth believing, because you'd start working yourself up, getting your hopes up, actually expecting Beta to be around the corner. When Beta Applications for Guilds was released, everyone thought the same, believing it was just around the corner. That was nearly a year ago and we are still waiting. Don't ever believe in things like most of the features are already done. For all we know they probably only finished half the features (just a possibility).
I still believe these devs to be unprofessional, because of their background, the way they are doing beta is a quite silly, this thing of continously adding hype to their game, and continously announcing new features which are really unecessary, and sound hard to do. I also think that there is a fine line between rushing and taking your time. There is also meeting deadlines, where you actually have plan of what to work on and for how long you should work on it. I don't like a rushed game of course, but a dev team stating its taking its time just sounds very unprofessional, especially when software development is all about meeting deadlines and balancing your hours with how much work you cover. I think they just encountered way too many problems, that they coundn't say the truth that this game is very difficult to make. It promises a lot of features that have never been done before, so you have to think about the quality of the dev team reflecting on the quality of the game.
Anyway you were right, I'm dying to see how Darkfall will turn out....but I just can't help it...I have absolutely no hope for the game, no faith that it will come out well. I just don't like the dev team behind the game.
A good game can only be made by a good dev team
(I'm not saying they are hopeless....I just have reasons to believe they aren't capable of making such a great game)
No, no, no, no, no! It's YOU that has it all wrong. Obviously, you really don't know anything about Darkfall. The PvP isn't some crazy idea where you go into battlegrounds and capture flags. The entire world is open PvP, even in the starting racial cities. There is no "PvP system", it's just a game with the freedom to be whatever you want. You've been brainwashed by games like World of Warcraft and EverQuest. Think Ultima Online here (before Trammel).
I think your a bit confused here. I was clearly talking about the PVE here, not PVP. and even UO pre trammel wasn't this heavily based on PVP. UO didn't throw its PVE gameplay out of the window.
You're making such a big deal out of saying PvE and PvP. In Darkfall you live. Every action you make affects the world, unlike MMORPGs like World of Warcraft where everyone is the same. Players train their skills by practicing them on monsters and players. There is no grind from level 1-60 where everyone follows the same zone path. um, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "practicing" your skills on monsters IS grinding.. saying this mmorpg won't include grinding is plain ignorent.
You decide where you want to go whenever you want to go, and there will be evil players along the way that want to kill/loot you. Darkfall is all about choices.
So instead of trying to define Darkfall as a PvP or PvE game, just think of it as a very open-ended game with a lot of freedom. You aren't supposed to go out and kill 5 level 10 rats and skin their fur for Johnny, you're supposed to raise an empire and make your mark on the world.
that doesn't take away you NEED a solid PVE gameplay. its just simple as that. or else we would all be better off playing CS. without at least decent PVE, the game will just turn into a mindless ganking battlefield. and that is definitly not what UO was.
your assuming just as much as anyone.. the devs specifically state there is a very important emphasis on PvE... your just making up reasons to hate df
your assuming just as much as anyone.. the devs specifically state there is a very important emphasis on PvE... your just making up reasons to hate df
Looking at your posts so far, perhaps he's just bringing some balance here? When you completely soak your pants in a thread for a game... You uh, you get what you're getting.
And I pretty much quote what Elnator says above dealing with whether the game will be any good or not.
You know, the same thing was said about Eve before it was in beta, Dark Age of Camelot, and a dozen other MMO's made by "no-name" companies, or by dev's that had never made a game like that before. I hope all you that are bashing the possibility that DF will do well, or even could, end up eating your words and then some.
As for not being well known enough, well here's something to think about. How about you as fans try advertising it to other players in a way that doesn't offend, or come across as hype or fanboyism (is that a word!? haha!)
Originally posted by Munka You know, the same thing was said about Eve before it was in beta, Dark Age of Camelot, and a dozen other MMO's made by "no-name" companies, or by dev's that had never made a game like that before. I hope all you that are bashing the possibility that DF will do well, or even could, end up eating your words and then some. As for not being well known enough, well here's something to think about. How about you as fans try advertising it to other players in a way that doesn't offend, or come across as hype or fanboyism (is that a word!? haha!) But you forgot one thing. those are companies that at least had a reasonable budget. EVE started small but eventualy became big with a good budget. Mythic was also "reasonable" and with a good budget behind them. not to mention Mythic is a merge of two other game companies. not the case with Darkfall. its a pretty small company located in greece with a limited budget. the things (Video's and screens) they showed us so far are medicore at best. the only thing that keeps the fans going is a list of features.
well, mabye, when PS20 hits and you can download it to your potato-chip, for free.
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Darlfall doesnt need to be a massive success. News will spread fast of it. Look at Eve it took 3 years to be a massive success. Recognition will come. 35k registered on forums and the devs have been saying "maybe out later this year"
im surprized ive only read a page or 2 of the 4 I was kinda disappointed ni peoples response
I think darkfall has alot of potential
but alot of people are basing it pretty big
Have you guys forgotten ? WoW was Blizzards FIRST! MMO. and dont give me that shit about diablo being a mmorpg, sure there was alot of people who played it. owo, origin or wahtever, made UO, that was pretty much their firsT MMORPG. Things arent as they used to be. Just because it was a companies first big game, to me has no real big bearing on its success. Sometimes a group of 6 people who work on a game for free can be better than a company with 100 employees.
Regardless of lag issues, UO came out when alot of people were on 56k modems. I know lag still exists sometimes in newer games, even WoW had a lil share of it. But most new MMO's are getting pretty well. not just due to better programming, but better connections/equipment/servers.
And to all the UO and WoW players. Sure WoW was big. but to all the UO players UO was big. You dont HAVE to have 10 million subscribers for it to be big and fun. if you have a few thousand people on 1 server. you honesty dont notice the 10 or 100 other servers on list. WoW has alot of servers, UO had fewer. But after youve picked a server and got on there. Do you realy think/care about the other servers anymore? you know your server is good, and having 500k users vs 10million, probably doesnt make ANY difference on you!
And someone will be sure to say, oh wel blizzard has more income due to higher subscribers. Sure they will, but they have A LOT more servers to maintain, more staff to fix things, more people complaining and breaking things. while UO had fewer subscribors. They still managed to pump out TONS of expansions, and free ad-ons. they fixed tons of bugs and other things. Sure they had alot of bugs. Sure old uo with normal PK was fun. I found it to be great fun and stories to have escaped a pk'er. I am agaisnt constant ganking, but PK'ers were fairly rare because of high penalities they instilled.
I think darkfall has alot of potential to be great. So long as they properly polish the game wel enough pre-release. blizzard polished WoW sooo much, that people arent going to accept a heavily unpolished game, as uo was in first release. Though i love UO more than any other game. I do play wow, and numerous other mmo over time. Ive tried to go back to UO but i just cant because its past its prime(4 years+ of playing it wore me out)
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The 'best'? Depends what you mean by 'best'. Darkfall certainly appeals to those who like hardcore PvP and meaningful clan wars,although it's seemingly extensive crafting system should not be overlooked either.
Some people won't like hardcore PvP,as they fear 'ganking' 'griefing' and 'PK'ing'. We can't deny that there won't be these types lurking around,but unlike other games where levels and gear mean said people will likely have an unfair advantage,in Darkfall it's MANUALLY-AIMED SKILL-BASED attacking/defending,which means that they'll need skill to pull off any 'ganking'. So they might use power of numbers yes,but you have a chance to survive/use your own numbers around you to counter-attack. That's what I think will pull a few 'carebears' (as you might call them) into Darkfall; the fact they have a chance against gankers for once and can fight back!
Still,if they don't like it fair enough. You can't please everyone.
I certainly think if Darkfall is released,and all goes well,that it will have some sort of impact,even if it only appeases the 'niche' community. EVE had that,and look at where EVE is now.
I know one thing though; this is the only MMO I've seen that actually looks interesting.
its 100% pure outdated vaporware.. nothing more. anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get their heads examined.
it has been in the making for at least like 5 years and all they've ever shown are some crummy looking screenshots and some horrible looking Alpha videos with nothing going on in them. Its freakin AMAZING that anyone would actually think this mess is something worth even watching.
there was even an age of conan developer who was making fun of this thing i heard thats how funny it is to other devs.
"Have you guys forgotten ? WoW was Blizzards FIRST! MMO."
someone is actually trying to compare this to Wow.. freakin a-mazing.
Originally posted by QMOV its 100% pure outdated vaporware.. nothing more. anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get their heads examined. it has been in the making for at least like 5 years and all they've ever shown are some crummy looking screenshots and some horrible looking Alpha videos with nothing going on in them. Its freakin AMAZING that anyone would actually think this mess is something worth even watching. there was even an age of conan developer who was making fun of this thing i heard thats how funny it is to other devs. "Have you guys forgotten ? WoW was Blizzards FIRST! MMO." someone is actually trying to compare this to Wow.. freakin hilarious.
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the game focus too much on PVP, and its already pretty clear the PVE will be ruined.
its very, very difficult to create groundbreaking pvp AND PvE.
but maybe I'm going against my own words, and should see when the game is released, but judging from the feature list,and the gameplay movies the PVE seems a bit of low
No, no, no, no, no! It's YOU that has it all wrong. Obviously, you really don't know anything about Darkfall. The PvP isn't some crazy idea where you go into battlegrounds and capture flags. The entire world is open PvP, even in the starting racial cities. There is no "PvP system", it's just a game with the freedom to be whatever you want. You've been brainwashed by games like World of Warcraft and EverQuest. Think Ultima Online here (before Trammel).
I think your a bit confused here. I was clearly talking about the PVE here, not PVP. and even UO pre trammel wasn't this heavily based on PVP. UO didn't throw its PVE gameplay out of the window.
You're making such a big deal out of saying PvE and PvP. In Darkfall you live. Every action you make affects the world, unlike MMORPGs like World of Warcraft where everyone is the same. Players train their skills by practicing them on monsters and players. There is no grind from level 1-60 where everyone follows the same zone path.
um, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "practicing" your skills on monsters IS grinding.. saying this mmorpg won't include grinding is plain ignorent.
You decide where you want to go whenever you want to go, and there will be evil players along the way that want to kill/loot you. Darkfall is all about choices.
So instead of trying to define Darkfall as a PvP or PvE game, just think of it as a very open-ended game with a lot of freedom. You aren't supposed to go out and kill 5 level 10 rats and skin their fur for Johnny, you're supposed to raise an empire and make your mark on the world.
that doesn't take away you NEED a solid PVE gameplay. its just simple as that. or else we would all be better off playing CS. without at least decent PVE, the game will just turn into a mindless ganking battlefield. and that is definitly not what UO was.
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That's the major bother on my mind also. I think they said they expect around 35-45,000 players a server; with all the proposed coding (aimed melee/ranged combat,AI,dynamic spawns,etc) and graphics and focus on 'massive PvP battles' (?),so there could well be periods of heavy lag when many players meet up.
But we'll just have to see for ourselves how well their servers handle the tide of curious players when open beta comes; there shall be many,even among the 'DnL clone' critics.
Darkfall missed it's release date for 1 reason: The DEVS didn't feel it was ready. They took it back to ground 0 with a whole new engine and have re-coded it pretty much from scratch at this point. It was supposed to release 3 years ago, and, had it done so it would have been another Irth/D&L/Mourning that just didn't live up to any of their promises.
So they took it back to development and have been working on it since.
Now... all that said:
I'm not hyping or ignoring this game or dismissing it until I SEE it. Same attitude I have towards every MMORPG in production. I *am*, however, very interested in Darkfall because if it lives up to it's promises we will finally have a true successor to UO. And that, my friends, would make me a very happy camper indeed. But... till I get to play it? I'm just interested... not excited or a fan... but interested.
Bottom line: Flaming a game before its even a playable beta is just as completely insane/ridiculous as hyping it before it's a playable beta. Bottom line: Till we experience the gameplay we can't comment on it.
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Yeah, I should have added that in my criticism. I believe that the final result will come out in beta and if not beta maybe release.
By the way, someone said something about most of the features being already in. That is unproven rumours....not worth believing, because you'd start working yourself up, getting your hopes up, actually expecting Beta to be around the corner. When Beta Applications for Guilds was released, everyone thought the same, believing it was just around the corner. That was nearly a year ago and we are still waiting. Don't ever believe in things like most of the features are already done. For all we know they probably only finished half the features (just a possibility).
I still believe these devs to be unprofessional, because of their background, the way they are doing beta is a quite silly, this thing of continously adding hype to their game, and continously announcing new features which are really unecessary, and sound hard to do. I also think that there is a fine line between rushing and taking your time. There is also meeting deadlines, where you actually have plan of what to work on and for how long you should work on it. I don't like a rushed game of course, but a dev team stating its taking its time just sounds very unprofessional, especially when software development is all about meeting deadlines and balancing your hours with how much work you cover. I think they just encountered way too many problems, that they coundn't say the truth that this game is very difficult to make. It promises a lot of features that have never been done before, so you have to think about the quality of the dev team reflecting on the quality of the game.
Anyway you were right, I'm dying to see how Darkfall will turn out....but I just can't help it...I have absolutely no hope for the game, no faith that it will come out well. I just don't like the dev team behind the game.
A good game can only be made by a good dev team
(I'm not saying they are hopeless....I just have reasons to believe they aren't capable of making such a great game)
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I think your a bit confused here. I was clearly talking about the PVE here, not PVP. and even UO pre trammel wasn't this heavily based on PVP. UO didn't throw its PVE gameplay out of the window.
You're making such a big deal out of saying PvE and PvP. In Darkfall you live. Every action you make affects the world, unlike MMORPGs like World of Warcraft where everyone is the same. Players train their skills by practicing them on monsters and players. There is no grind from level 1-60 where everyone follows the same zone path.
um, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "practicing" your skills on monsters IS grinding.. saying this mmorpg won't include grinding is plain ignorent.
You decide where you want to go whenever you want to go, and there will be evil players along the way that want to kill/loot you. Darkfall is all about choices.
So instead of trying to define Darkfall as a PvP or PvE game, just think of it as a very open-ended game with a lot of freedom. You aren't supposed to go out and kill 5 level 10 rats and skin their fur for Johnny, you're supposed to raise an empire and make your mark on the world.
that doesn't take away you NEED a solid PVE gameplay. its just simple as that. or else we would all be better off playing CS. without at least decent PVE, the game will just turn into a mindless ganking battlefield. and that is definitly not what UO was.
your assuming just as much as anyone.. the devs specifically state there is a very important emphasis on PvE... your just making up reasons to hate df
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Looking at your posts so far, perhaps he's just bringing some balance here? When you completely soak your pants in a thread for a game... You uh, you get what you're getting.
And I pretty much quote what Elnator says above dealing with whether the game will be any good or not.
You know, the same thing was said about Eve before it was in beta, Dark Age of Camelot, and a dozen other MMO's made by "no-name" companies, or by dev's that had never made a game like that before. I hope all you that are bashing the possibility that DF will do well, or even could, end up eating your words and then some.
As for not being well known enough, well here's something to think about. How about you as fans try advertising it to other players in a way that doesn't offend, or come across as hype or fanboyism (is that a word!? haha!)
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well, mabye, when PS20 hits and you can download it to your potato-chip, for free.
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Darkfall the only real game (if it comes out)
QFT.
im surprized
ive only read a page or 2 of the 4
I was kinda disappointed ni peoples response
I think darkfall has alot of potential
but alot of people are basing it pretty big
Have you guys forgotten ? WoW was Blizzards FIRST! MMO. and dont give me that shit about diablo being a mmorpg, sure there was alot of people who played it. owo, origin or wahtever, made UO, that was pretty much their firsT MMORPG. Things arent as they used to be. Just because it was a companies first big game, to me has no real big bearing on its success. Sometimes a group of 6 people who work on a game for free can be better than a company with 100 employees.
Regardless of lag issues, UO came out when alot of people were on 56k modems. I know lag still exists sometimes in newer games, even WoW had a lil share of it. But most new MMO's are getting pretty well. not just due to better programming, but better connections/equipment/servers.
And to all the UO and WoW players. Sure WoW was big. but to all the UO players UO was big. You dont HAVE to have 10 million subscribers for it to be big and fun. if you have a few thousand people on 1 server. you honesty dont notice the 10 or 100 other servers on list. WoW has alot of servers, UO had fewer. But after youve picked a server and got on there. Do you realy think/care about the other servers anymore? you know your server is good, and having 500k users vs 10million, probably doesnt make ANY difference on you!
And someone will be sure to say, oh wel blizzard has more income due to higher subscribers. Sure they will, but they have A LOT more servers to maintain, more staff to fix things, more people complaining and breaking things. while UO had fewer subscribors. They still managed to pump out TONS of expansions, and free ad-ons. they fixed tons of bugs and other things. Sure they had alot of bugs. Sure old uo with normal PK was fun. I found it to be great fun and stories to have escaped a pk'er. I am agaisnt constant ganking, but PK'ers were fairly rare because of high penalities they instilled.
I think darkfall has alot of potential to be great. So long as they properly polish the game wel enough pre-release. blizzard polished WoW sooo much, that people arent going to accept a heavily unpolished game, as uo was in first release. Though i love UO more than any other game. I do play wow, and numerous other mmo over time. Ive tried to go back to UO but i just cant because its past its prime(4 years+ of playing it wore me out)
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The 'best'? Depends what you mean by 'best'. Darkfall certainly appeals to those who like hardcore PvP and meaningful clan wars,although it's seemingly extensive crafting system should not be overlooked either.
Some people won't like hardcore PvP,as they fear 'ganking' 'griefing' and 'PK'ing'. We can't deny that there won't be these types lurking around,but unlike other games where levels and gear mean said people will likely have an unfair advantage,in Darkfall it's MANUALLY-AIMED SKILL-BASED attacking/defending,which means that they'll need skill to pull off any 'ganking'. So they might use power of numbers yes,but you have a chance to survive/use your own numbers around you to counter-attack. That's what I think will pull a few 'carebears' (as you might call them) into Darkfall; the fact they have a chance against gankers for once and can fight back!
Still,if they don't like it fair enough. You can't please everyone.
I certainly think if Darkfall is released,and all goes well,that it will have some sort of impact,even if it only appeases the 'niche' community. EVE had that,and look at where EVE is now.
I know one thing though; this is the only MMO I've seen that actually looks interesting.
its 100% pure outdated vaporware.. nothing more. anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get their heads examined.
it has been in the making for at least like 5 years and all they've ever shown are some crummy looking screenshots and some horrible looking Alpha videos with nothing going on in them. Its freakin AMAZING that anyone would actually think this mess is something worth even watching.
there was even an age of conan developer who was making fun of this thing i heard thats how funny it is to other devs.
"Have you guys forgotten ? WoW was Blizzards FIRST! MMO."
someone is actually trying to compare this to Wow.. freakin a-mazing.
I tried to edit it and something errored.. not that I need to explain anything to you right?