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  • havocthefirshavocthefirs Member Posts: 229

    Originally posted by busdriver
    This game has level based combat, therefore it will have either heavily restricted PvP (only in certain areas and only if level difference is not too great) or there will be never ending cycle of 'nerf this, nerf that', 'waaah! high lvls are EWIL!'.
    Either way, PvP will SUCK HARD!
    If only had they used skill based system... sigh.


    Im afraid the only skill based systems are UO, EVE and sorta SWG.

    At the moment I'm playing UO on a fre server that dates back to rennisiance days.

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Originally posted by havocthefirs

    Originally posted by busdriver
    This game has level based combat, therefore it will have either heavily restricted PvP (only in certain areas and only if level difference is not too great) or there will be never ending cycle of 'nerf this, nerf that', 'waaah! high lvls are EWIL!'.
    Either way, PvP will SUCK HARD!
    If only had they used skill based system... sigh.


    Im afraid the only skill based systems are UO, EVE and sorta SWG.

    At the moment I'm playing UO on a fre server that dates back to rennisiance days.

    Not SWG anymore, the NGE "improvement" took the skill trees out.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • EQnanidanEQnanidan Member Posts: 48
    i dont know i think we need to wait till the game comes out and see there is no real way of telling till you play it
  • airheadairhead Member UncommonPosts: 718

    I hope it works... but I'm a little skeptical about real time combat moves in an MMO. What about LAG ?

    The only thing I have to go on is WoW... SS-TM... 5v5 pvp gets going. Works great. Then 10v10... still fine. 30v30 and it's still going good. Then a few more guilds show up and it's 100v100. I swing at the toon standing 3 feet in front of me, only he's not there, but 20 yards away shooting a gun at me. Unplayable. (hence BGs were created). And that was a single 'press button to do move x' game...

    So in this game I'm gonna have blocks, targeted swings, and real time moving around melee combat? How are they going to keep the game from being unplayable due to lag?

    NOTE: I know very little about AoC, just read a little here and there. Looks great. But has FC come up with some new kind of distributed technology or something that will let them avoid the LAG demon? OR are they going to avoid it with environment constraints? (i.e. limiting the fighting/raiding in some way so that 100v100 never happens)? OR are they just going to throw tons of money into super servers of some kind? (there's still network bottlenecks even then)...

    So I'm skeptical. Some people have seen it in action... if so help me out. And define "action". 20v20? or 100v100?




  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by airhead
    I hope it works... but I'm a little skeptical about real time combat moves in an MMO. What about LAG ?

    The only thing I have to go on is WoW... SS-TM... 5v5 pvp gets going. Works great. Then 10v10... still fine. 30v30 and it's still going good. Then a few more guilds show up and it's 100v100. I swing at the toon standing 3 feet in front of me, only he's not there, but 20 yards away shooting an gun at me. Unplayable. (hence BGs were created). And that was a single 'press button to do move x' game...

    So in this game I'm gonna have blocks and real time moving around melee combat? How are they going to keep the game from being unplayable due to lag?

    NOTE: I know very little about AoC, just read a little here and there. Looks great. But has FC come up with some new kind of distributed technology or something that will let them avoid the LAG demon? OR are they going to avoid it with environment constraints? (i.e. limiting the fighting/raiding in some way so that 100v100 never happens)? OR are they just going to poor tons of money into super servers of some kind? (there's still network bottlenecks even then)...

    So I'm skeptical. Some people have seen it in action... if so help me out. And define "action". 20v20? or 100v100?




    You have alot of reason to be skeptical as well.  One of the most annoying things about Anarchy Online (the other MMORPG developed by Funcom) was the lag during PVP.. You think WOW was bad, that was heaven compared to PVP in AO when alot of people were around.

    Now I'm pretty sure they have updated there game engine and worked on this aspect. But I dont know for sure, what I do know is that they did'nt decide to use the UT3 engine that alot of the new MMORPG's are comming out with now. Perhaps they found another engine that worked better with there project... I sure hope they did, because performance was a major issue with Funcoms first try in the MMORPG world and cost them alot of subs at initial realase and beyond, im sure they do not want to repeat that performance.

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    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • lightmmorpglightmmorpg Member Posts: 23

    Originally posted by Kungfubar

    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.
    this game sucks. is a cheap single player game and there is no room for this crap in mmorpg world. go play guildwars-at least it's more of a mmorpg then this hoax.
  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by lightmmorpg

    Originally posted by Kungfubar

    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.
    this game sucks. is a cheap single player game and there is no room for this crap in mmorpg world. go play guildwars-at least it's more of a mmorpg then this hoax.


    Go back under your bridge.

    ------------------------------
    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • SuitepeeSuitepee Member Posts: 921

    Originally posted by shae

    I think it's always good form to be as sceptical as possible with any game that has not be released yet. It's really just good sense.
    Sure, I think most fans are hoping that their going to pull it off and I think there's a good chance they will but there's been good projects that have gone down the tubes or done a complete 180 on their promised features in the end.
    Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is that most of the time developers compromise at the espense of their fans by the time the game comes to distribution.
    So be sceptical, it's healthy and it's even good for the game, if the dev's of the game realize that players aren't just falling head over heals and jumping at every straw their pushed by the production team they'll continue to work hard to gain that trust and thus the game in the end will be closer to what they preached from the start.
    Just had to post to say QFT.
  • lightmmorpglightmmorpg Member Posts: 23

    Originally posted by Tinybina

    Originally posted by lightmmorpg

    Originally posted by Kungfubar

    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.
    this game sucks. is a cheap single player game and there is no room for this crap in mmorpg world. go play guildwars-at least it's more of a mmorpg then this hoax.


    Go back under your bridge.

    Never argue with a idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

    sorry but i really liked this...
  • RockyRamboRockyRambo Member Posts: 37

    Im skeptical but for a different reason.. Funcom has shown that it has the vision needed to make a great MMO with the right mix of complexity, Depth, Graphics, Dungeons, Content, PVP, ect like it did with AO.. However just like ever freaking MMO developer in the History of this genre, they have also shown that they can make horrible mistakes that will affect the way the game is played and will ultimately send thier playerbase running away in disgust. Funcom has done it before to Anarchy Online with that horrible Shadowlands expansion that almost decimated its playerbase, which in turn made Funcom make the game free.  And just as they done it before they will do it agian, ever MMO Developer todate has. The only question is that when will that point come in AOC history, will we be able to enjoy a few years of fun like we did in AO before the Devs destroyed what they made. Or will it come sooner in the games young life....

    Only time will tell when it will come, but if history is any judge...It will come.

    Never argue with a idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

  • KungfubarKungfubar Member Posts: 34
    Sure the graphics look good, but how will the single player part work into an MMORPG?  How can you be on a mount and fight with a group?  Or are the plans to keep it all solo play?  Not a big fan of solo play myself, it's to much of a grind w/out people to talk to and work with. 
  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Originally posted by Kungfubar
    Sure the graphics look good, but how will the single player part work into an MMORPG?  How can you be on a mount and fight with a group?  Or are the plans to keep it all solo play?  Not a big fan of solo play myself, it's to much of a grind w/out people to talk to and work with. 
    It is definately not solo play except at the start.

    As to group fighting with mounts, the answer is formations, a wedge, cone, wall, whatever of heavily armored horsemen plunging through the enemy ranks is one of the biggest things Im looking forward to working with.

    If you meant cases where you are on a mount, and everyone else is on foot, thats simple enough as well. Run interferance, slash at their flanks, keep the enemy confused with your speed advantage while your companions mop them up.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by Kungfubar
    Sure the graphics look good, but how will the single player part work into an MMORPG?  How can you be on a mount and fight with a group?  Or are the plans to keep it all solo play?  Not a big fan of solo play myself, it's to much of a grind w/out people to talk to and work with. 
    And someone else pointed out this will be a true MMORPG..  While the first 20 levels will be single player (the first time you make a character, optinal ever other time out) the next 60 levels will be in the MMORPG setting. So thats 80 levels at release of the game, and since this is FUncom I think it safe to say that level 80 will be raised later with future expansions like the have done in there last MMORPG which has a level cap of 220 (? been awhile since I played it) right now.

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    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    Originally posted by lightmmorpg

    Originally posted by Tinybina
    Originally posted by lightmmorpg
    Originally posted by Kungfubar
    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun. But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical. Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.
    this game sucks. is a cheap single player game and there is no room for this crap in mmorpg world. go play guildwars-at least it's more of a mmorpg then this hoax.
    Go back under your bridge.

    Never argue with a idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.sorry but i really liked this...

    You should like that saying, it fits you perfectly, troll::::12::

  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545
    Hey Tinybina! Everyone's stealing your signature. MrBloodworth just used it on me in the DnL review thread. You better patton it now so you can get a nickel whenever it's used... But I see where you are coming from with the AoC Levels. Funcom has been about that in the past.

    Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

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    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • lupisenparislupisenparis Member Posts: 185

    If you think loony toons look goofy then this game looks way better than warhammer.

  • BabbuunBabbuun Member Posts: 333
    I'm sceptical for yet another reason. Lorelol.

    The plot is straight out of The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, except that every player has a similar background. Now Morrowind wasn't very linear in it's progression, so I hope that'll be a part of this game as well, but how does this sound:

    The whole playerbase is former slaves off a slaveship with their previous thoughts erased.

    I don't like it. It's an extreme lorelol unless they have a ton of wizards with magical plotline progression ideas at hand.


  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    Originally posted by Babbuun
    I'm sceptical for yet another reason. Lorelol.

    The plot is straight out of The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, except that every player has a similar background. Now Morrowind wasn't very linear in it's progression, so I hope that'll be a part of this game as well, but how does this sound:

    The whole playerbase is former slaves off a slaveship with their previous thoughts erased.

    I don't like it. It's an extreme lorelol unless they have a ton of wizards with magical plotline progression ideas at hand.

    Ok, I can see where your drawing a connection here in a way, slaves escaping from a ship when its attacked and destroyed is kinda like the beggining of Morrowind where you're released off of a prison ship by imperial mandate. That vague connection is pretty much the end of it though. It is impossible these days to write any kind of plotline without having something that was done before.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545


    Originally posted by Aelfinn


    Ok, I can see where your drawing a connection here in a way, slaves escaping from a ship when its attacked and destroyed is kinda like the beggining of Morrowind where you're released off of a prison ship by imperial mandate. That vague connection is pretty much the end of it though. It is impossible these days to write any kind of plotline without having something that was done before.


    I'd have to agree with Aelfinn. I like to write. Or should I say, I try to write. I think of an idea. Something that I assume is original and myself or someone else always points out that it has been done before. You can't get away from it unless you get extremely outlandish...

    Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489
    I share your concerns, but hope they can pull it off...

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • jobsjobs Member Posts: 16
    I want this game to kick ass SO bad, but I have a nagging feeling it will blow. I hope I am so wrong though.
  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by jobs
    I want this game to kick ass SO bad, but I have a nagging feeling it will blow. I hope I am so wrong though.
    Im starting to get that feeling as well, sorta like I did for COH and MXO.

    Guess I should stop reading their official forums, so far I don't like what im hearing and in alot of cases not hearing out of the Development team.

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    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545

    That's why I'm going to be patient and wait until this game is out for awhile before I make a desicion to play it or not. I've been burned to many times...

    Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.

  • joshwajoshwa Member Posts: 118
    Littile confidence in FC but hope Im worng. Past history says they will foul it up big time as they did with AO. BTW it was the AI expansion and the horrid launch that did in AO to a large degree. Only 10k paying customers at this point, not a good sign. FC has a way of ignoring customers unless the word nerf appears repeatedly. Sort of like a small Sony come to think of it....ewww sony now I have to wash my hands
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