Originally posted by Tinybina Originally posted by Aquila26 Well heres the real question. How many players will actually use a full blown pd server? Many people will post that they will in a forum and never step into that server at all.
Are you kidding? Take a look at the people following Darkfall, strole on over to the AOC pvp board, look up the people that played Shadowbane... There is a huge market for 'Hardcore PVP players' out there.. Make a PD server (a real one) and when people begin to find out about it, they will come.. And lets just say they don't come, lets just say thatt for a second.... All they have to do is add the toggle in a patch a few months later.. Or *gasp* shut the server down.. Not like games haven't done that before.. But I guess that would be to difficult aye?..
Many will call the option carebear, many will callit hardcore but how many people are really going to use it? One guy in the forums asked for the option, he may be very well the one guy who uses that option.
Your a fool if you think people will not use that option.. People are cowards in general and will seek to take the easy road.. And what road will be easier then not using the toggle unitll you reach cap so that you can then unleash your furry and grief others that are trying to reach the cap.. Whole guilds will do this.. And to be honest if your a guild who plans on dominating (which many PVP guilds do) it makes since not to toggle untill your READY.. why do only a few of this understand this concept....
I think it was nice of Stieg and Deo to even consider it. And here you have Tina insulting their intelligence? cmoooon people. Jeez
You can sit back and believe the garbage they spew MMO noob all you want but I have heard it all before.. Untill they actually post a real life poll on the boards I won't belive its only 1%... If they have the poll up link it so you can shut me up.. Other then that keep believing the gargabe these Devs toss at you..Only a fool would believe everything he is told.
Noones for bashing anothers playstyle, you know that. P.E wants us all to enjoy the game in our own ways, if one guy wants to have his character die permanently whats the problem with him having it. I think the option satisfies both those who wont use it and the very very few who will.
Here is a freaking question for you turbo.. If you don't want your charaacter dying permanently WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU JOIN A PD SERVER.... In diablo I didn't want to make a PD character and those that could did.. But here is the kicker.. I could not join their server and they could no join mine... WOW what a amazing concept...
Again your doing who good by saying all this? HERE? on mmorpg.com? If these guys wont listen then you'd have atleast tried right? You would at the very least have another mmo to add to your little list of "I told you so's" right? I find it very odd that one man can write a post and get the pd option put in a game and you cannot write a post and get the full blown pd server or atleast have it considered. Especially from the guys at P.E.
You know at the very least, you could drop in and evaluate the forums, at the very least... and see what type of people work for this company then maybe you wouldnt think every mmo developer is a complete moron. Devs are people believe it or not and gamers above that. try talking to one for once, Mr. Koster is a fan favorite and has an open chatsite. Take all that mess there an debate your philosophical game design theories with him then come tell me devs are idiots.
Tell me Tina since you feel your so adept at mmo creation and game design where is your mmo? Why hadnt you put all your awesome ubardood ideas onto a cd an shipped it? I'll tellya why, because they were based off concepts of a game someone else created. Have you honestly sat in that chair behind that pc since the release of everquest pissed at the world because they didnt make your mmo the way you wanted it? sounds like it.
Listen here and this may upset you some, but people have their own visions of how they wanna make their game hun. They cant just rewrite the whole thing everytime a customer sees something they dont like. And this may be a shocker to many, even SOE has proved (if theyve proved anything at all) that nomatter what developers try no customer will ever be completly satisfied, their customers were pissed PRE-CU, they were pissed at the CU AND THEY ARE PISSED AT THE NGE... guess why tina? They were trying to please everyone. They were trying to please 7 million tinabinas. And see what happened? Whats SOE now? an example of what not to do right? An example for the mmo community right?
Im sayin... if you or any other disgruntled mmo customer can get out of that chair and make your own mmo then I would suggest doing it cause thats the only way you will be happy. But I will tell you this now, when and if you did once you were happy with it... you would have 7 million tinabinas sittin in their chairs behind their little pc's pissed at the world because of YOUR design decisions flaming you to hell in some guys forum. They would send mass emails and curse bloody hell and "you better listen to me on this" type bs remarks and suggestions that you werent ready or maybe not even able to provide. And youd really be a dumass then tina wouldnt you? You would be the moron yourself and wearing the shoe right?
Not everything is so black and white in game design or any other business Tina, people do what they can, when they can, if they can and hope for the best. All they ask is that you try thier vision with an open mind in hopes that maybe you will have fun. If you wont do that then I dunno what to tellya. Go play console and bitch at the wall I guess but your attitude isnt getting you anywhere.
You just cant please everyone all the time. But you can sure as hell try now cant you "turbo".
Again your doing who good by saying all this? HERE? on mmorpg.com? If these guys wont listen then you'd have atleast tried right? You would at the very least have another mmo to add to your little list of "I told you so's" right? I find it very odd that one man can write a post and get the pd option put in a game and you cannot write a post and get the full blown pd server or atleast have it considered. Especially from the guys at P.E.
You know at the very least, you could drop in and evaluate the forums, at the very least... and see what type of people work for this company then maybe you wouldnt think every mmo developer is a complete moron. Devs are people believe it or not and gamers above that. try talking to one for once, Mr. Koster is a fan favorite and has an open chatsite. Take all that mess there an debate your philosophical game design theories with him then come tell me devs are idiots.
Tell me Tina since you feel your so adept at mmo creation and game design where is your mmo? Why hadnt you put all your awesome ubardood ideas onto a cd an shipped it? I'll tellya why, because they were based off concepts of a game someone else created. Have you honestly sat in that chair behind that pc since the release of everquest pissed at the world because they didnt make your mmo the way you wanted it? sounds like it.
Listen here and this may upset you some, but people have their own visions of how they wanna make their game hun. They cant just rewrite the whole thing everytime a customer sees something they dont like. And this may be a shocker to many, even SOE has proved (if theyve proved anything at all) that nomatter what developers try no customer will ever be completly satisfied, their customers were pissed PRE-CU, they were pissed at the CU AND THEY ARE PISSED AT THE NGE... guess why tina? They were trying to please everyone. They were trying to please 7 million tinabinas. And see what happened? Whats SOE now? an example of what not to do right? An example for the mmo community right?
Im sayin... if you or any other disgruntled mmo customer can get out of that chair and make your own mmo then I would suggest doing it cause thats the only way you will be happy. But I will tell you this now, when and if you did once you were happy with it... you would have 7 million tinabinas sittin in their chairs behind their little pc's pissed at the world because of YOUR design decisions flaming you to hell in some guys forum. They would send mass emails and curse bloody hell and "you better listen to me on this" type bs remarks and suggestions that you werent ready or maybe not even able to provide. And youd really be a dumass then tina wouldnt you? You would be the moron yourself and wearing the shoe right?
Not everything is so black and white in game design or any other business Tina, people do what they can, when they can, if they can and hope for the best. All they ask is that you try thier vision with an open mind in hopes that maybe you will have fun. If you wont do that then I dunno what to tellya. Go play console and bitch at the wall I guess but your attitude isnt getting you anywhere.
You just cant please everyone all the time. But you can sure as hell try now cant you "turbo".
Sounds like I struck a nerve with someone that is tied directly to this game in some way :P Good!
I had a typed out response to your post like before but I decided to delete it. Main reason being is that im sick of aruging with people like you. In 6 months it won't matter anyways your game will go the way of Roma Victor, Face of Mankind, Auto Assault, and D&D Online anyways.
Your right about one thing though the only way I will every really be happy with a MMO it seems, is if I eventually get to make one.. And who knows maybe one day I will get that chance.. But I tell you what if I ever do get that chance I will be dammed if I make such a foolish decision like have a PD toggle or some of the other bone head choices that Developers seen to constantly make.
As for why I post here on MMORPG.COM its because I know this is the best site on the net for MMORPG information.. As a matter of fact it can be said that having a positive or negative view of your game on this site can determine how successfull you can or will be. Just look at how some of those small time developers and games react when they get a bad rating here (DnL).... Bottom line MMORPG.COM carries a hell of a lot of weight, "Turbo" in the MMORPG world.
Now im going to go away "turbo" before I get all worked up and start to bash this game for having ties with SOE :P But I will be back, to either praise or bash as more info is released on this Guild Wars rip off. Just kidding...
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Sounds like I struck a nerve with someone that is tied directly to this game in some way :P Good!
Dont play yourself . What you've done is just taken some advice from a future P.E customer. My only "ties" will be me playing this game. But good for you Tina get out there and get after makin your mmo. Best of luck. lol
Btw... I dont speak for P.E nor their developers, Jamal. Those guys are alot better natured and patient than we are.
Dont play yourself . What you've done is just taken some advice from a future P.E customer. My only "ties" will be me playing this game. But good for you Tina I took some advice? And from you of all people? LOL now thats funny auqanetta.
Btw... I dont speak for P.E nor their developers, Jamal. Those guys are alot better natured and patient than we are. Good for them then Michael Dominguez, patients is a virtue. And its also needed in the MMORPG world, especially when your hack and slash fest filled game doesn't sell as well as you thought it would. Later Michael if you have any other comments might I suggest you PM me.
Now to get back on topic.. Being able to disable PD sucks they really should not have that feature on a Permadeath server. But if they do keep it I think they should call that sever Permabear. :P
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Alright then Jamal, instead of me arguing points and (probably doing worse then good by doing it) let me say this. Right now the game is in closed beta.
These guys are focused on getting the core game ready for release.
Theyve said that before so its safe to say here.
The pd option and blog was discussed within the community, players wanted to know how they feel about the pd option and the devs addressed it. Nothing is carved in stone.
Like any other game once released there is a live team. If the option for pd isnt working out the way they thought based on feedback and evaluation then yes Im sure they will be open to suggestion like any other dev team for any other game. When and if you play this once released (and see for yourself that this is its own game and not a copy or attempt at another) you sir can send in your own personal feedback addressing the pd option and if its as bad as your saying it will be, then you wont be alone on that type of submission right? Damn right, cause I'll be sending in a submission too.
Now... with that been said all you have to do is approach this game and its developers with an open mind right?
Just before you all get too crazy, at the time of the blog posting, this hadn't gone farther than a discussion betweem Deo and Steig. It was a long discussion on the forums and was posted as somthing that could be easily implemented. Its not a gaurentee. I'm just posting this so that if it isn't in the FFA server ruleset at launch people won't be yelling about them lying or some such.
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Noones for bashing anothers playstyle, you know that. P.E wants us all to enjoy the game in our own ways, if one guy wants to have his character die permanently whats the problem with him having it. I think the option satisfies both those who wont use it and the very very few who will.
Here is a freaking question for you turbo.. If you don't want your charaacter dying permanently WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU JOIN A PD SERVER.... In diablo I didn't want to make a PD character and those that could did.. But here is the kicker.. I could not join their server and they could no join mine... WOW what a amazing concept...Again your doing who good by saying all this? HERE? on mmorpg.com? If these guys wont listen then you'd have atleast tried right? You would at the very least have another mmo to add to your little list of "I told you so's" right? I find it very odd that one man can write a post and get the pd option put in a game and you cannot write a post and get the full blown pd server or atleast have it considered. Especially from the guys at P.E.
You know at the very least, you could drop in and evaluate the forums, at the very least... and see what type of people work for this company then maybe you wouldnt think every mmo developer is a complete moron. Devs are people believe it or not and gamers above that. try talking to one for once, Mr. Koster is a fan favorite and has an open chatsite. Take all that mess there an debate your philosophical game design theories with him then come tell me devs are idiots.
Tell me Tina since you feel your so adept at mmo creation and game design where is your mmo? Why hadnt you put all your awesome ubardood ideas onto a cd an shipped it? I'll tellya why, because they were based off concepts of a game someone else created.
sounds like it.
Have you honestly sat in that chair behind that pc since the release of everquest pissed at the world because they didnt make your mmo the way you wanted it?
Listen here and this may upset you some, but people have their own visions of how they wanna make their game hun. They cant just rewrite the whole thing everytime a customer sees something they dont like. And this may be a shocker to many, even SOE has proved (if theyve proved anything at all) that nomatter what developers try no customer will ever be completly satisfied, their customers were pissed PRE-CU, they were pissed at the CU AND THEY ARE PISSED AT THE NGE... guess why tina? They were trying to please everyone. They were trying to please 7 million tinabinas. And see what happened? Whats SOE now? an example of what not to do right? An example for the mmo community right?
Im sayin... if you or any other disgruntled mmo customer can get out of that chair and make your own mmo then I would suggest doing it cause thats the only way you will be happy. But I will tell you this now, when and if you did once you were happy with it... you would have 7 million tinabinas sittin in their chairs behind their little pc's pissed at the world because of YOUR design decisions flaming you to hell in some guys forum. They would send mass emails and curse bloody hell and "you better listen to me on this" type bs remarks and suggestions that you werent ready or maybe not even able to provide. And youd really be a dumass then tina wouldnt you? You would be the moron yourself and wearing the shoe right?
Not everything is so black and white in game design or any other business Tina, people do what they can, when they can, if they can and hope for the best. All they ask is that you try thier vision with an open mind in hopes that maybe you will have fun. If you wont do that then I dunno what to tellya. Go play console and bitch at the wall I guess but your attitude isnt getting you anywhere.
You just cant please everyone all the time. But you can sure as hell try now cant you "turbo".
www.mmorpgnucleus.com
Again your doing who good by saying all this? HERE? on mmorpg.com? If these guys wont listen then you'd have atleast tried right? You would at the very least have another mmo to add to your little list of "I told you so's" right? I find it very odd that one man can write a post and get the pd option put in a game and you cannot write a post and get the full blown pd server or atleast have it considered. Especially from the guys at P.E.
You know at the very least, you could drop in and evaluate the forums, at the very least... and see what type of people work for this company then maybe you wouldnt think every mmo developer is a complete moron. Devs are people believe it or not and gamers above that. try talking to one for once, Mr. Koster is a fan favorite and has an open chatsite. Take all that mess there an debate your philosophical game design theories with him then come tell me devs are idiots.
Tell me Tina since you feel your so adept at mmo creation and game design where is your mmo? Why hadnt you put all your awesome ubardood ideas onto a cd an shipped it? I'll tellya why, because they were based off concepts of a game someone else created.
sounds like it.
Have you honestly sat in that chair behind that pc since the release of everquest pissed at the world because they didnt make your mmo the way you wanted it?
Listen here and this may upset you some, but people have their own visions of how they wanna make their game hun. They cant just rewrite the whole thing everytime a customer sees something they dont like. And this may be a shocker to many, even SOE has proved (if theyve proved anything at all) that nomatter what developers try no customer will ever be completly satisfied, their customers were pissed PRE-CU, they were pissed at the CU AND THEY ARE PISSED AT THE NGE... guess why tina? They were trying to please everyone. They were trying to please 7 million tinabinas. And see what happened? Whats SOE now? an example of what not to do right? An example for the mmo community right?
Im sayin... if you or any other disgruntled mmo customer can get out of that chair and make your own mmo then I would suggest doing it cause thats the only way you will be happy. But I will tell you this now, when and if you did once you were happy with it... you would have 7 million tinabinas sittin in their chairs behind their little pc's pissed at the world because of YOUR design decisions flaming you to hell in some guys forum. They would send mass emails and curse bloody hell and "you better listen to me on this" type bs remarks and suggestions that you werent ready or maybe not even able to provide. And youd really be a dumass then tina wouldnt you? You would be the moron yourself and wearing the shoe right?
Not everything is so black and white in game design or any other business Tina, people do what they can, when they can, if they can and hope for the best. All they ask is that you try thier vision with an open mind in hopes that maybe you will have fun. If you wont do that then I dunno what to tellya. Go play console and bitch at the wall I guess but your attitude isnt getting you anywhere.
You just cant please everyone all the time. But you can sure as hell try now cant you "turbo".
Sounds like I struck a nerve with someone that is tied directly to this game in some way :P Good!
I had a typed out response to your post like before but I decided to delete it. Main reason being is that im sick of aruging with people like you. In 6 months it won't matter anyways your game will go the way of Roma Victor, Face of Mankind, Auto Assault, and D&D Online anyways.
Your right about one thing though the only way I will every really be happy with a MMO it seems, is if I eventually get to make one.. And who knows maybe one day I will get that chance.. But I tell you what if I ever do get that chance I will be dammed if I make such a foolish decision like have a PD toggle or some of the other bone head choices that Developers seen to constantly make.
As for why I post here on MMORPG.COM its because I know this is the best site on the net for MMORPG information.. As a matter of fact it can be said that having a positive or negative view of your game on this site can determine how successfull you can or will be. Just look at how some of those small time developers and games react when they get a bad rating here (DnL).... Bottom line MMORPG.COM carries a hell of a lot of weight, "Turbo" in the MMORPG world.
Now im going to go away "turbo" before I get all worked up and start to bash this game for having ties with SOE :P But I will be back, to either praise or bash as more info is released on this Guild Wars rip off. Just kidding...
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Sounds like I struck a nerve with someone that is tied directly to this game in some way :P Good!
Dont play yourself . What you've done is just taken some advice from a future P.E customer. My only "ties" will be me playing this game. But good for you Tina get out there and get after makin your mmo. Best of luck. lol
Btw... I dont speak for P.E nor their developers, Jamal. Those guys are alot better natured and patient than we are.
I speak for me. a fellow gamer and consumer.
www.mmorpgnucleus.com
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Alright then Jamal, instead of me arguing points and (probably doing worse then good by doing it) let me say this. Right now the game is in closed beta.
These guys are focused on getting the core game ready for release.
Theyve said that before so its safe to say here.
The pd option and blog was discussed within the community, players wanted to know how they feel about the pd option and the devs addressed it. Nothing is carved in stone.
Like any other game once released there is a live team. If the option for pd isnt working out the way they thought based on feedback and evaluation then yes Im sure they will be open to suggestion like any other dev team for any other game. When and if you play this once released (and see for yourself that this is its own game and not a copy or attempt at another) you sir can send in your own personal feedback addressing the pd option and if its as bad as your saying it will be, then you wont be alone on that type of submission right? Damn right, cause I'll be sending in a submission too.
Now... with that been said all you have to do is approach this game and its developers with an open mind right?
www.mmorpgnucleus.com
Just before you all get too crazy, at the time of the blog posting, this hadn't gone farther than a discussion betweem Deo and Steig. It was a long discussion on the forums and was posted as somthing that could be easily implemented. Its not a gaurentee. I'm just posting this so that if it isn't in the FFA server ruleset at launch people won't be yelling about them lying or some such.