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The five best Presidents

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  • asupermaneasupermane Member Posts: 682

    Well, still..        we use military to spread ideas. 
    i think america is fine.
    we might be fighting terrorist and all. but the terrorist hate us.

    bush isnt the greatest, and FDR is better then bush, but...      were not in that bad of shape.

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  • porgieporgie Member Posts: 1,516
    Thomas Jefferson.  The best President this country has ever had.  And one of the greatest philosophers to back personal freedom and liberty this planet has ever seen.

    Sad to say, but if he were alive today he would be considered a radical by most Americans.  Not only that, but he probably wouldn't even make it to the presidential runoffs.   image



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  • lardmouthlardmouth Member Posts: 701
    Meh, I'm not really big on any of the presidents.  Especially since the "New Deal."
  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918
    I don't know who would make my favorite list...but I know that LBJ, Kennedy and Jimmy Carter would all be on my least favorite list.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,698



    Originally posted by Draenor
    I don't know who would make my favorite list...but I know that LBJ, Kennedy and Jimmy Carter would all be on my least favorite list.



    LBJ? Who is that? I probably know but just can't think who he is right now...

    Kennedy wasn't a bad president, actually, he was a pretty good one. A bit of a commy though...

    and Carter didn't really do anything in his presidency... no good, no bad.

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857



    Originally posted by Xexima



    Originally posted by seabass2003
    One of my favorite presidents was Truman. Takes a man with a really big set of Balls to drop not 1 but 2 nukes.

    Killing and injuring hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.  That's wonderfull, a great man he was.  Indeed, it did keep japan from getting very involved in WWII, but still, did he have to kill so many innocents in the process?


    Take a lesson in the Japanese culture of the time period, and you will understand.

    Heres a scenario, civilians armed with hand tools charging one soldier on a hill with a high powered machinegun. If enough come, they will eventually kill that soldier, but huge numbers would die in the process. Much of Japan's population were quite willing to make that sacrifice, preffering death to surrender. That was proven beyond a doubt to Truman and the rest of the world when we fought them on the outer isles.

    The bombs REDUCED by leaps and bounds the numbers of civilian casualties a conventional attack would have caused.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by Xexima



    Originally posted by Draenor
    I don't know who would make my favorite list...but I know that LBJ, Kennedy and Jimmy Carter would all be on my least favorite list.


    LBJ? Who is that? I probably know but just can't think who he is right now...

    Kennedy wasn't a bad president, actually, he was a pretty good one. A bit of a commy though...

    and Carter didn't really do anything in his presidency... no good, no bad.



    Lindon(sp?) B Johnson, he took over when Kennedy was assasinated...and you hit the nail on the head as to why I dislike Carter...how he is acting in the present isn't helping him either.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723

    1) Reagan - Style, Grace, Strength. Nuff said.

    2) Bush Jr - For being a strong president, his agenda is getting done
    despite the shrill cries from traitorous libtards. Good personality, I
    approve of the way he is handling the Islamofascists.

    Those are the only 2 I like, the rest of em were pretty much all pussy cowards.

    In the grand scheme of things George Washington doesn't matter. If he wasn't around we'd still be Brits and everything would pretty much be the same.
  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619
    You can bash Bush all you want, but his accomplishments have made
    America stronger and better.  I know the list is long and dont
    expect you to read the whole thing, but they are all true.  He is truly a great President IMO, no matter what some of you say.

    Abortion & Traditional
    Values

    1. Banned Partial Birth
      Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe
      v. Wade.

    2. Reversed
      Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.


    3. By Executive Order (EO),
      reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under
      the Medical Privacy Act.

    4. By EO,
      prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide
      abortions and related services.


    5. Upheld the ban on
      abortions at military hospitals.

    6. Made $33
      million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

    7. Supports the Defense of
      Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man
      and one woman.

    8. Requires
      states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive
      parents.

    9. Requires districts to let
      students transfer out of dangerous schools.

    10. Requires
      schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing
      discipline into classrooms).

    11. Signed the Teacher
      Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student
      discipline.

    12. Expanded
      the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school
      programs.

    Budget, Taxes & Economy

    1. Signed two income tax
      cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

    2. Supports
      permanent elimination of the death tax.


    3. Turned around an
      inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the
      9/11 attacks.

    4. Is seeking
      legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto
      authority.

    5. In process of permanently
      eliminating IRS marriage penalty.


    6. Increased
      small business incentives to expand and to hire new people
      .

    7. Initiated discussion on
      privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.


    8. Killed
      Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have
      shut down every home business in America.

    9. Passed tough new laws to
      hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate
      scandals.


    10. Reduced
      taxes on dividends and capital gains.

    11. Signed trade promotion
      authority.


    12. Reduced and
      is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and
      ranches.

    13. Fight Europe's ban on
      importing biotech crops from the United States.

    14. Exempt food
      from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

    15. Provided $20 million to
      states to help people with disabilities work from home.

    16. Created a
      fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

    17. Increased the annual
      contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

    18. Make
      permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years
      to increase the credit to $10,000.

    19. Grant a complete tax
      exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

    20. Reduced H1B
      visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

    Character & Conduct as President

    1. Changed the tone in the
      White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.

    2. Has
      reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse
      .
    3. Handled himself with
      enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath
      of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost
      single-handedly held this country together during those searing
      days

    Education & Employment Training

    1. Signed the No Child Left
      Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation
      (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California
      Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability
      provisions of this Act.

    2. Announced
      "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for
      jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job
      training, and by improving high school education.

    3. Is working to provide
      vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with
      costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)

    4. Requires
      annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.

    5. Requires states to
      participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent
      program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.

    6. Requires
      school-by-school accountability report cards.

    7. Established a $2.4
      billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.

    8. Increased
      funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military
      personnel to to become teachers.

    Environment & Energy

    1. Killed the Kyoto Global
      Warming Treaty.

    2. Submitted a
      comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to
      develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America
      less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.

    3. Established a $10 million
      grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

    4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically
      engineered crops.


    5. Changed parts of the
      Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in
      order to reduce fire danger.

    6. Part of
      national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the
      Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an
      Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire
      danger.


    7. Killed Clinton's CO2
      rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to
      California.

    8. Provided
      matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare
      species.

    Defense & Foreign Policy

    1. Successfully executed two
      wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who
      had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

    2. Saddam
      Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of
      the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

    3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in
      dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders,
      operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been
      tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The
      detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh
      Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's
      second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War
      on Terror.
    4. Disarmed
      Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or
      bloodshed.

    5. Continues to execute the
      War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut
      off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of
      the al Qaeda network.

    6. Initiated a
      comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01,
      and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were
      critical in the 21st Century.

    7. Killed the old US/Soviet
      Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM
      defenses.

    8. Has been
      one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the
      U.S. presidency.

    9. Part of the coalition for
      an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and
      the EU.

    10. Pushed
      through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1
      billion a year.

    11. Signed the LARGEST
      nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

    12. Started
      withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops
      from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

    13. Prohibited putting U.S.
      troops under U.N. command.

    14. Paid back
      UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the
      costs.

    15. Earmarked at least 20
      percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.

    16. Increased
      defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal
      2002 to 2006.

    17. Ordered a comprehensive
      review of military weapons and strategy.

    18. Ordered a
      review of overseas deployments.

    19. Ordered renovation of
      military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its
      inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.

    20. Is working
      to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.

    21. Brought back our EP-3
      intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or
      bloodshed.

    Globalization & Internationalism

    1. Challenged the United
      Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of
      Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

    2. Killed U.S.
      involvement in the International Criminal Court.


    3. Told the United Nations
      we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International
      Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*

    4. The only
      President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it
      is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the
      authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a
      decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test,
      and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council
      resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will
      the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?"
      We all know the outcome and the answer.

    5. Told the Congress and the
      world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our
      country."

    Government Reform

    1. Improved government
      efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens
      public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

    2. Initiated
      review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs
      (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal
      government while increasing private sector jobs.


    3. Led the most extensive
      reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed
      20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the
      Department of Homeland Security.*

    4. Ordered
      each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer
      managers.

    5. Converted federal service
      contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the
      contractor has measurable performance goals.

    Health

    1. Strengthen the National
      Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its
      scholarship funds tax-free.

    2. Double the
      research budget of the National Institutes of Health.

    3. Signed Medicare Reform,
      which includes:
    • A 10-year
      privatization option.

    • Prescription drug
      benefits:
      Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays
      for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet
      Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers,
      drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow
      seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less
      expensive prescription medicine.

    • More health care choices: As
      President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health
      care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering
      higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices
      and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health
      care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's
      good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.


    • New Health Savings
      Accounts:
      Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500
      every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax
      bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by
      money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account
      and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for
      small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering
      workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or
      illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts
      to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers
      will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American
      families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

    Homeland Security, Border Enforcement &
    Immigration

    1. *See Government Reform
      above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented
      commitment to homeland security.

    2. Has
      CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will
      have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater
      ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

    3. Announced a 9.7% increase
      in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly
      tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project
      BioShield).

    4. Before DHS
      was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal
      Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S.
      Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into
      a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures
      the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the
      inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP
      inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on
      our borders.

    5. The Border Patrol is
      continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect
      illegal activity.

    6. Launched
      Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of
      domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has
      audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030
      unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774
      individuals.

    7. Since September 11, 2001,
      the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000
      air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000
      individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and
      maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

    8. Announced
      the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based
      system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students
      and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285
      completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.


    9. This week, the US-VISIT
      program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and
      exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard
      information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration
      policies.

    10. Eliminated
      INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

    11. Split the Immigration and
      Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and
      interior, the other to deal with naturalization.

    12. Signed the
      workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.

    13. Established a six-month
      deadline for processing immigration applications.

    14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized
      cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States.
      Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and
      contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies
      are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or
      radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first
      responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the
      effects of a WMD attack.

    Judiciary & Tort Reform

    1. Is urging federal
      liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

    2. Killed the
      liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is
      supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.


    3. Is nominating strong,
      conservative judges to the judiciary.

    4. Supports
      class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money
      goes to victims.

    Politics

    1. His leadership resulted
      in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of
      both houses of Congress and the presidency.

    2. Signed an
      EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used
      for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

    Second Amendment

    1. Ordered Attorney General
      Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government
      position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own
      firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.

    2. Signed TWO
      bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.


    3. Currently pushing for
      full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

    4. *See
      Globalization & Internationalism.

    Traditional Values, Compassion &
    Volunteerism

    1. Endorses and promotes
      "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of
      personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate
      society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions
      they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if
      it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in
      which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the
      decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all
      your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the
      quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure
      the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your
      neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

    2. Started the
      USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer
      opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter
      geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or
      zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the
      environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than
      50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.


    3. Established the The White
      House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative —
      located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the
      essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that
      grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive
      greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on
      at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those
      with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

    4. The White
      House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that
      faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their
      religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.

    5. Issued an EO implementing
      the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from
      institutions to community-based facilities when possible.

    6. Increased
      funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase
      devices to assist them.

    7. Revised the Department of
      Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people,
      permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments
      on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.

    8. Committed
      US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now
      suffering with AIDS in Africa.

    9. Heeding the words of our
      own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable
      demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he
      said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We
      have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm
      for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President,
      they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:
    • Equal
      Justice


    • Freedom of Speech


    • Limited
      Government Power


    • Private Property
      Rights

    • Religious
      Tolerance


    • Respect for Women


    • Rule of
      Law


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  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414

    As outfctrl said, that is really long and most of us probably won't read all of it. I made it about half-way through lol.

    Anyways, about half the things I read are in fact not good things. I support Bush, firstly because I support the President in virtually all actions, second of all because I still think he is a decent President, the vote is still out on this one though. I'll decide some years down the road, I suppose.

    The abortion laws are imo not a good thing. I am morally pro-life, but I don't feel the government should be able to tell people what is wrong and right on moral/ethical matters.

    I'm also against your mention of reintroducing religion/God, in government/society. I'm a 'spiritual' person, but yet again am against forcing things on the people. I support Bush's display of devotion and religious ethics, but only on a personal level.

    I think Bush is a VERY good PERSON. I am not too sure about his presidency, however. I am for small government, limited controls, etc. Bush has made the government larger and given it more power.

    Of course, the Bush administration is not the only person causing this. Congress is just a joke. We don't need to have these crooks in session year round. Maybe one month a year. Senators like Ted Kennedy make their living off of sitting in Congress and not doing anything. The last thing we need is MORE laws. They sit in session so long they have to keep pumping out more laws to make it look like they are doing something.

    The Bush administration isn't bad, the way our government functions is.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • Age_Of_ConanAge_Of_Conan Member Posts: 98



    Originally posted by outfctrl

    1. George Washington is clearly the greatest president our nation ever had.
    He won a Revolutionary War based upon revolutionary ideas.
    Having commanded through peril his armies to victory, he gave up power.
    He suppressed Shays Rebellion and preserved the Articles of Confederation.
    He presided over the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia.
    He created the informal term limits for presidents.
    2. Thomas Jefferson
    His purchase of "Louisiana" did not just double the size of the United States, but it meant that the refugees from Ireland, Italy, Poland, Russia, and Germany would have land to settle and - with all the risks inherent in true freedom - to thrive.  Jefferson also defeated the first, and in many ways the greatest, threat to our constitutional liberties. When the Federalists passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, it was serious business.
    3. Ronald Reagan
     He won a Cold War without bloodshed and restored the principles of limited government to their proper place. Ronald Reagan faced the nearly mortal gunshot wound from a would-be assassin not just with courage, but with humor.
    4. Abraham Lincoln
    His tenacity preserved the Union and his vision began the process of emancipation. Lincoln was a very political animal, but he was also a very benevolent man whose fundamental goodness has been an inspiration to later presidents.
    5. George W. Bush
    He has already established himself as at least our fifth best president, and he may well end up higher than fifth. That is, of course, the obvious fact about George W. Bush. He has always done much better than expected. Al Gore was supposed to whip him in the debates. Democrats were supposed to steal Florida, while Bush fumbled around. Washington was supposed to be immune to his charm. Long before September 11, George W. Bush had shown all sensible people that he was much more talented than liberals liked to think and that he wanted political power to do good.
    President Bush has the confidence to surround himself with men and women who would be great presidents themselves - Dick Cheney, Lynne Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice - and this willingness to trust that other people also can carry the banner of liberty is the perfect bookend to our first president.
    President Bush is also proving his greatness by defining evil and focusing his attention on that evil. It is easy to paint with broad strokes, and men like Clinton and FDR were great at lumping people together. It is hard - intellectually and morally - to pinpoint what needs to be done. President Bush is relaxed, good natured, but above all he is focused.
    Those are the five best. America has generally been blessed with good presidents. Dwight Eisenhower, Calvin Coolidge, James Madison, John Kennedy, George H. Bush, and Harry Truman should probably be on a short list of very good presidents.
    President Bush, like the great presidents before him, will bring to us what Abraham Lincoln so eloquently described as "A new birth of freedom." Let us give thanks.



    Faggot.  Bush caused more trouble then he fixed.

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  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Originally posted by Age_Of_Conan
    Faggot.  Bush caused more trouble then he fixed.


    Name calling?  You must have lied about your age in your user info.


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  • hazmatshazmats Member Posts: 1,081

    I don't mean to be rude.. but did someone just pick Carter as one of their top presidents.

    Dear God the world truly is ending.

    Worst. President. Evar (imo)

  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414


    Originally posted by hazmats
    I don't mean to be rude.. but did someone just pick Carter as one of their top presidents.

    Dear God the world truly is ending.

    Worst. President. Evar (imo)


    It was only Draenor don't take it as anything big.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • tetsultetsul Member Posts: 1,020



    Originally posted by outfctrl

    Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq.



    That would be funny if the gravity of the situation wasn't so serious.
  • cathuriancathurian Member Posts: 56
    1. FDR <3 <3 <3 <3 <3



    2. Kennedy



    3. Reagan



    4. Jefferson



    5. Clinton




  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414


    Originally posted by outfctrl

    Originally posted by Age_Of_Conan
    Faggot. Bush caused more trouble then he fixed.

    Name calling? You must have lied about your age in your user info.


    I've felt that way about him for a long time, as I believe most the other posters do. lol

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918



    Originally posted by hazmats

    I don't mean to be rude.. but did someone just pick Carter as one of their top presidents.
    Dear God the world truly is ending.
    Worst. President. Evar (imo)



    no, that was my list of worst presidents.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414


    Originally posted by Draenor
    Originally posted by hazmats
    I don't mean to be rude.. but did someone just pick Carter as one of their top presidents.
    Dear God the world truly is ending.
    Worst. President. Evar (imo)
    no, that was my list of worst presidents.

    I knew there must have been some reason I didn't catch it before someone commented. Shame on me for listening to others again.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Member UncommonPosts: 2,413

    1)  George Washington

    --Was the only true "commander in chief," actually donning a uniform to put down the "Whiskey Rebellion," personally.

    --Prefering that Congress be able to pass laws in an unencumbered way, he exercised his veto prerogative only twice, and gave good, non-partisain reasons for the veto in each case.

    --Refined the constitutional role of the president by including diplomacy alongside the role as commander in chief, as practiced in terms of negotiations between France and England.

    --Was responsible for defining the scope and methods of the office, much of which are practiced to this day.

    --Was the only US president to serve the entirety of his presidency in Federal Hall, NY.

     

    2)  Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    --Put unemployed Americans back to work, all while building dams, roads, bridges, and public works.

    --Created the Securities and Exchange Commission to prevent fraud on Wall Street.

    --Created FDIC to protect the savings of bank patrons.

    --Stood up to an activist Supreme Court.

    --Provided naval vessels and supplies to Britain, even when Congress refused to side with Britain officially.

    --Though he armed the US considerably, building "the Arsenal of Democracy," he only deployed American troops upon a true, constitutional declaration of war as passed by both houses of Congress.

    --Was a shrewd diplomat, and was present at Yalta, which laid the foundation for the modern, international system.

    --Appointed some of the most sound, articulate, and restrained legal minds for the Supreme Court (Hugo Black and Felix Frankfurter come to mind).

     

    3)  Theodore Roosevelt

    --The first "modern" president who spoke with the people directly.

    --A war hero, TR crafted the "big stick" policy.  Offered humanitarian aid to undeveloped nations.

    --The first president to have an "environmental policy," by setting aside lands for conservation.

    --The Panama Cannal opened up naval and merchant shipping between east and west.

    --Negotiated settlements between large industries, and the workers who worked in them, using the White House and the "bully pulpit" to get each side to come to a resolution.

    --Due to the health risks posed by the industrialization of food processing, TR enacted standards for food safety, and labeling.

     

    4)  Dwight D. Eisenhower

    --Reformed the way the White House functioned as a modern, responsive organization.  Some of the improvements Eisenhower created, like the Chief of Staff position, can be readily observed, but most are not seen.

    --Mobilized the National Guard to enforce the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v Board of Education to desegragate the schools in Little Rock, Arkansas.

    --Ensured that the Soviets wouldn't engage the US directly by negotiating with strength, yet prudence.

    --Governed with restraint, and neutrality in terms of political partisainship.

    --Allowed Congress to make laws, and did not see it as the president's role to propose much legislation.

     

    5)  James K. Polk

    --Responsible for forming the continental United States as we know it today (sans Hawaii, Alaska, and small parts of the southwest).  Expanded US territory to the Pacific Ocean, due to purchases, negotiations, and the capture of Mexico City.

    --Worked constantly in his office, crafting policy singlehandedly, without the need for many advisors.

    --The first US postage stamps, the first national museum, and many monuments in Washington DC and elsewhere were created by Polk's administration.

    --One of the most efficient and productive "policy presidents" in US history.

     

     

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  • JoHosephatJoHosephat Member Posts: 180



    Originally posted by zieen

    The abortion laws are imo not a good thing. I am morally pro-life, but I don't feel the government should be able to tell people what is wrong and right on moral/ethical matters.



    Did you, yah know, actually think while typing that out?
  • ChrysosChrysos Member Posts: 77
    Isn't this a bit like the hotest fat chick competition? image

    I support Belgiums efforts to get noticed ... at all.

  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414


    Originally posted by JoHosephat
    Originally posted by zieen
    The abortion laws are imo not a good thing. I am morally pro-life, but I don't feel the government should be able to tell people what is wrong and right on moral/ethical matters.
    Did you, yah know, actually think while typing that out?

    Yes. As I reread it now, I still stand by what I said. The government is too big and it's using religion and personal ethics to control people.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • RPGNerdRPGNerd Member Posts: 76

    Originally posted by Spathotan
    An American who puts a Bush on his "top 5 best" list, and not FDR should not be taken seriously.
    QFMFT.

    In no particular order:

    1.) Thomas Jefferson.

    2.) FDR

    3.) Lincoln

    4.) George Washington.

    5.) James Madison


  • outfctrloutfctrl Member UncommonPosts: 3,619

    Originally posted by Spathotan
    An American who puts a Bush on his "top 5 best" list, and not FDR should not be taken seriously.
    I am tired of people bashing Bush about the war in Iraq and making him
    a bad president because of it.  I believe he did the right
    thing.  As far as FDR...he made some serious blunders.

    Iraq
    pales by comparison with FDR’s acts of hostility to Japan and Germany,
    provoking Pearl Harbor, when he knew or should have known we were
    drastically unprepared for World War. When FDR taunted Japan, stopped
    shipping them supplies we had always sent them, and practically begged
    them to go to war with us, it was probably the right moral thing to do.
    In fact it surely was. But he was the most popular President of all
    time. He had fairly good (but far from perfect) control of Congress. He
    could have made sure we were better armed before he got us into war.
    The unpreparedness of U.S. forces caused us terrible losses at Pearl
    Harbor and far worse ones in the Philippines. They let hundreds of U.S.
    vessels go to the bottom along with their brave crews under the U-boat
    onslaught. Yes, he did learn and geared us up for total war. But the
    mistakes at the beginning were extremely bad.

    That was a far bigger foreign policy mistake than Iraq.

    FDR caving in at Yalta, baiting the greatest man of all time, Winston
    Churchill, and instead siding with the worst killer of his own people of all
    time, J.V. Stalin, to create a Soviet slave empire in Eastern Europe — that was
    a far worse mistake than the Iraq war and cost far more lives. Sending captured
    Russians back to Stalin to be murdered by the hundreds of thousands — that was a
    far worse mistake than Iraq.

    That was a far bigger foreign policy mistake than Iraq.

     

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