Vanguard:Will It Be Good

godofwar69 · October 2006

Vanguard seems like a really cool game features are

FEATURES
________
1.detailed world of swords and sorcery, of dragons and knights
2.chests overflowing with treasure
3.own buildings and vehicles
4.Players will experience settings ranging from enjoying a drink in a tavern to walking through the streets of a bustling city
5.They will travel with trade caravans across deserts and they will fight pirates on the high seas
6.They will ascend the highest peak in the land and also explore the depths of eerie dungeons...

godofwar69 · October 2006

And for the people who voted no WHY????! would you vote no Post a message of why you think it wont
and for the people who voted yes same thing post a messsage

qwepoi · October 2006

it really depends on your definition of good, some people will love it, and some will hate it, personally I wouldn't worry about what other people think of it, if you like it, then thats all that matters.

Cik_Asalin · October 2006

1.detailed world of swords and sorcery, of dragons and knights

Swords and sorcery is not
unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard
expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

2.chests overflowing with treasure

Treasure and loot is not
unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard
expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

3.own buildings and vehicles

Building management or
ownership as well as travelling horses are not unique to mmorpgs....not
an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of
game-play fun.

4.Players will experience settings ranging from enjoying a drink in a tavern to walking through the streets of a bustling city

Tavern talk and settings or
villages and cities are not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting
draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

5.They will travel with trade caravans across deserts and they will fight pirates on the high seas

Travel is not unique to
mmorpgs nor is combat against computer controlled mobs and
creatures....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds
no longevity of game-play fun.

6.They will ascend the highest peak in the land and also explore the depths of eerie dungeons...

Adventuring on land, sea, or in dungeons is not unique to
mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds
no longevity of game-play fun.

Anofalye · October 2006

IF Vanguard continue the way it is heading now, I suppose it will have about 50k subscribers, maybe as much as double that.

IF Vanguard get non-raiding servers, these servers will draw about half a million subscribtions on their own, if done at the release of the game, remove 20% per month post-release. Might even be twice that amount if the marketing is well done and the emphasis on these servers is evident.

And explaining the why and all...woah, that would be massive and long, but let's just say that Vanguard is very nice and well done, however peoples are extremely tired of enforced gameplays on them, especially the raiding one. Peoples who love raiding are already addicted to an existing MMO, they won't move over to Vanguard, after all their hardwork and investment? Forget it, they are sticking to the MMOs they are playing, so that 50k will mostly consist of non-raiders who just don't know yet that they are not raiders (and peoples who pretend to be raiders and that aren't raiding atm are just poseurs, you can't count on these).

OwenMcQ · October 2006

From what I've read, everything about the game sounds pretty good . . . except the PvP.

It's said they're designing the game with PvP in mind, but haven't really released many details about it, other than it will be pretty basic at launch.

If it eventually becomes a game where you can control territory/resources and have a significant impact on the opposing faction(s) through PvP, I think it could be a great game. Otherwise, it probably won't hold my interest very long.

spiritglow · October 2006

Originally posted by godofwar69
And for the people who voted no WHY????! would you vote no Post a message of why you think it wont
and for the people who voted yes same thing post a messsage

I voted no because I don't think it will have a large mass appeal. Sure it will be successful but mostly will be the same old grind (maybe not to the same degree as in the past, ie. EQ1) but with a new face even with Diplomacy (the same vertical grind). I'll buy it to try it out but you can be sure I won't buy into any yearly plan or even 3 months. It'll be a month here or a month there but that's about it. Now make an alternate server rule set that mitigates vertical grind and I'll play it much more for sure.

Spiritglow

GreenChaos · October 2006

I don't know if I can get into it. It looks too clean and nice. I prefer a somewhat darker theme. If I can't play an evil class Im not
very interested.

qwepoi · October 2006

Originally posted by Anofalye

peoples are extremely tired of enforced gameplays on them, especially the raiding one. Peoples who love raiding are already addicted to an existing MMO, they won't move over to Vanguard, after all their hardwork and investment? Forget it, they are sticking to the MMOs they are playing

firstly, how will vanguard enforce raiding on anyone? and where have they said this would happen?

secondly I completely disagree with the comment on existing raiders being unwilling to switch games, the three main games for raiders atm (correct me if i'm wrong) are everquest, everquest 2 and WoW, and I know that a lot of raiders are not happy with the raiding content in these games because: everquest 1: well its not really that there is a lack of raid content, it's just that it is outdated and people are looking for something new. eq2: I know for a fact that many raiders are unhappy with the raiding content in this game, and I also know for a fact that some of the top raiding guilds are planning to reform in vanguard when it comes out. WoW: well i don't know a whole lot about this game and i'm not going to pretend i do, however I have heard many people say that WoW lacks end game content.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that vanguard is going to be all about raiding or anything like that, nor do I want it to be by any means, all im saying is that a lot of people who love raiding are looking for a new game, and a lot of them have high hopes for vanguard.

qwepoi · October 2006

Originally posted by GreenChaos

I don't know if I can get into it. It looks too clean and nice. I prefer a somewhat darker theme. If I can't play an evil class Im not very interested.

to clean and nice aye? check out the new halloween screenies

as for evil classes, if a dark elf necromancer isn't evil i dont know what is!

spiritglow · October 2006

Originally posted by qwepoi
Originally posted by Anofalye
peoples are extremely tired of enforced gameplays on them, especially the raiding one. Peoples who love raiding are already addicted to an existing MMO, they won't move over to Vanguard, after all their hardwork and investment? Forget it, they are sticking to the MMOs they are playing

firstly, how will vanguard enforce raiding on anyone? and where have they said this would happen?

secondly I completely disagree with the comment on existing raiders being unwilling to switch games, the three main games for raiders atm (correct me if i'm wrong) are everquest, everquest 2 and WoW, and I know that a lot of raiders are not happy with the raiding content in these games because: everquest 1: well its not really that there is a lack of raid content, it's just that it is outdated and people are looking for something new. eq2: I know for a fact that many raiders are unhappy with the raiding content in this game, and I also know for a fact that some of the top raiding guilds are planning to reform in vanguard when it comes out. WoW: well i don't know a whole lot about this game and i'm not going to pretend i do, however I have heard many people say that WoW lacks end game content.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that vanguard is going to be all about raiding or anything like that, nor do I want it to be by any means, all im saying is that a lot of people who love raiding are looking for a new game, and a lot of them have high hopes for vanguard.

Yep the hardcore gamers seem to be really interested in Vanguard. Will that translate into many many thousands of subscriptions? We'll see soon enough..

Spiritglow

Gorukha · October 2006

Well firstly, as I have been saying for a while. The word from people i know in BETA is not good. The game is a gigantic grind, combat is slow and boring, not a very interesting game overall.

It won't be BIG like WoW, but i'm sure it will attract a 100k or 200k subscruibers in the beginning, with the premise of sea battles and all that crap. Doubt it will hold people for long.

qwepoi · October 2006

Originally posted by spiritglow

Yep the hardcore gamers seem to be really interested in Vanguard. Will that translate into many many thousands of subscriptions? We'll see soon enough..

Spiritglow

It won't and the folks at sigil know this, thats why they are tailoring vanguard for "the core gamer" as they put it (the average gamer who plays 2-4 hours a day and a bit more on weekends)

there will be hardcore raiders and some content for them as there are in most MMORPG, but as sigil have stated many times, these people are not their target audience, which IMO is a huge misconception about vanguard.

OldGoron · October 2006

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin
1.detailed world of swords and sorcery, of dragons and knights

Swords and sorcery is not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

2.chests overflowing with treasure

Treasure and loot is not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

3.own buildings and vehicles

Building management or ownership as well as travelling horses are not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

4.Players will experience settings ranging from enjoying a drink in a tavern to walking through the streets of a bustling city

Tavern talk and settings or villages and cities are not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

5.They will travel with trade caravans across deserts and they will fight pirates on the high seas

Travel is not unique to mmorpgs nor is combat against computer controlled mobs and creatures....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

6.They will ascend the highest peak in the land and also explore the depths of eerie dungeons...

Adventuring on land, sea, or in dungeons is not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.

Do you have even the SLIGHTEST idea what the caravans are? I'm really REALLY guessing you don't have a single clue so why even bother posting this? Travel is not unique?
Man I get so pissed from ppl spouting shit like this.

I voted yes cuz I have full faith that Brad will make another kickass game like Everquest was and what I've seen so far I'm liking the game more and more for each day that passes.

goneglockin · October 2006

If it doesn't have open PvP I'm not interested. I'm not going to support any MMORPG that doesn't have open PvP; ever. MMORPGs that don't have this feature are holding back progress.

Ultima Online dropped the ball and split everyone up- saying everyone who wants to fight on this side; and everyone who doesn't on that side. Instead they should have solved the abuses and griefing problems associated with open PvP- but they had no brains, no vision, and no balls- just like every other MMO producer on the market today.

Sick of it- not supporting it. Just going to haunt these forums; complain- not give them my money- develop a small following- and be heard.

nthnaoun · October 2006

I voted no. Most of the things on that list, aside from fighting Pirates on the high sea, has been done all in one game before. That game was very successful, but it could also be played on most sytems at release (EQ). That idea has been done to death now, and people would either like to see a change or just stick with what they got. Why spend many months maxing out a new toon in a new game that is just like your old game?

Another reason why this game won't be the next big one, is because it is making the same mistake as EQ2 with the graphics. Instead of learning from WoW in how to make a game appealing, but also playable on most systems, they are going for the high detailed and high poly count characters and such, like EQ2 did. This means that even if everyone did want to play this game, they couldn't, because they wouldn't have the system to run it.

I consider a game the next big one, when it can sustain about 300-500k subscribers.

nomadian · October 2006

I don't think it will, for me it seems a completely different game than EQ and also with what I think is going to be high specs. It should be able to do fairly well, 100k region maybe but don't think the next big thing.

Bladin · October 2006

All i know is my gut tells me maybe.

silkakc · October 2006

I voted maybe also. This game is gonna appeal to the higher IQ gamer and more mature gamers I think. People that wanna play a harder game and not have their hands held. And it does have some wonderful innovating concepts that I haven't heard about in other games with it's skills- a Lumberjack and Carpenter and the ability cut down trees and build ships and being able to build your house wherever you want in the world. And no landblocks- that's a huge plus! I can't stand being forced to follow paths with unclimbable mountains on both sides of me- argh!! And they've mentioned Political systems in it's future and that would be cool to have elections for Mayors of towns etc. I think they also mentioned the ability to become a Shop owner and own your own business in the towns- that would be neat.

But I voted maybe because of it's high-end requirements. WoW is so insanely successful bacause any stock computer off a shelf in the last 3 years can run it and run it well!! With Vanguard- you are gonna need a brand new mid range PC to meet the minimum requirements or you must have upgraded the RAM, HD, Video card and CPU on your 2-4 yr old PC!! And installed a DvD drive on your PC because that game isn't coming out in CD form.

If I had an extra $500 to get a new computer- I'd play it in a heartbeat

I could spend $200.00 in upgrades and play Vanguard but my 1 3/4 yr old Dell w/ a socket 478 board with PCI slot only graphics just isn't worth dumping money into:(

metalcore · October 2006

No open PvP? Thank the gods.

Carebears pwns...

Gorukha · October 2006

I think people misunderstand what Brad McQuaid means by hard. This isn't going to be a puzzle solving game for geniuses. The guy just means you are going to have to WORK hard and earn everything through painstaking labor, like EQ. Of course if it makes you feel better to think that you are smarter than the average woW player by playing Vanguard all the power to yah . We know how high IQ you need for mmorpgs= 1+.

spiritglow · October 2006

Originally posted by Gorukha
I think people misunderstand what Brad McQuaid means by hard. This isn't going to be a puzzle solving game for geniuses. The guy just means you are going to have to WORK hard and earn everything through painstaking labor, like EQ. Of course if it makes you feel better to think that you are smarter than the average woW player by playing Vanguard all the power to yah . We know how high IQ you need for mmorpgs= 1+.

Yeah that ole famaliar EQ1 grind PAIN. Masochistic pain. Yep you're gonna have to work for it to your breaking limit. If that's your cup of tea I say have your fill..

Spiritglow

spiritglow · October 2006

Originally posted by silkakc
I voted maybe also. This game is gonna appeal to the higher IQ gamer and more mature gamers I think. People that wanna play a harder game and not have their hands held. And it does have some wonderful innovating concepts that I haven't heard about in other games with it's skills- a Lumberjack and Carpenter and the ability cut down trees and build ships and being able to build your house wherever you want in the world. And no landblocks- that's a huge plus! I can't stand being forced to follow paths with unclimbable mountains on both sides of me- argh!! And they've mentioned Political systems in it's future and that would be cool to have elections for Mayors of towns etc. I think they also mentioned the ability to become a Shop owner and own your own business in the towns- that would be neat.

But I voted maybe because of it's high-end requirements. WoW is so insanely successful bacause any stock computer off a shelf in the last 3 years can run it and run it well!! With Vanguard- you are gonna need a brand new mid range PC to meet the minimum requirements or you must have upgraded the RAM, HD, Video card and CPU on your 2-4 yr old PC!! And installed a DvD drive on your PC because that game isn't coming out in CD form.

If I had an extra $500 to get a new computer- I'd play it in a heartbeat I could spend $200.00 in upgrades and play Vanguard but my 1 3/4 yr old Dell w/ a socket 478 board with PCI slot only graphics just isn't worth dumping money into:(

Vanguard = Same old hard grind with a new face, new mechanics.. Whatever they new mechanic they come up with will have grind built in. grind crafting, grind diplomacy, grind skills. grind levels, grind travel mostly except for caravans. Anyhows grind ad nauseum. It's the only thing they know it seems. It worked very well with EQ1 back in the day and they're banking on it working again. Admittedly they may ease up some on the grind to create a greater appeal but the grind is intregal to their idea of a good game.

Spiritglow

Copeland · October 2006

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin
1.detailed world of swords and sorcery, of dragons and knightsSwords and sorcery is not
unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard
expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.2.chests overflowing with treasureTreasure and loot is not
unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard
expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.3.own buildings and vehiclesBuilding management or
ownership as well as travelling horses are not unique to mmorpgs....not
an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of
game-play fun.4.Players will experience settings ranging from enjoying a drink in a tavern to walking through the streets of a bustling cityTavern talk and settings or
villages and cities are not unique to mmorpgs....not an interesting
draw but a standard expectation...holds no longevity of game-play fun.5.They will travel with trade caravans across deserts and they will fight pirates on the high seasTravel is not unique to
mmorpgs nor is combat against computer controlled mobs and
creatures....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds
no longevity of game-play fun.6.They will ascend the highest peak in the land and also explore the depths of eerie dungeons...Adventuring on land, sea, or in dungeons is not unique to
mmorpgs....not an interesting draw but a standard expectation...holds
no longevity of game-play fun.

1) Detailed but no not unique.
2)50% of the top end loot will be from grouping and crafting.
3)by vehicles they mean player controlled Boats and flying mounts not horses.
4)i agree
5)The caravan system in Vanguard is very unique.
6)Thats why we play these games isn't it?

Copeland · October 2006

Originally posted by spiritglow

Originally posted by silkakc
I voted maybe also. This game is gonna appeal to the higher IQ gamer and more mature gamers I think. People that wanna play a harder game and not have their hands held. And it does have some wonderful innovating concepts that I haven't heard about in other games with it's skills- a Lumberjack and Carpenter and the ability cut down trees and build ships and being able to build your house wherever you want in the world. And no landblocks- that's a huge plus! I can't stand being forced to follow paths with unclimbable mountains on both sides of me- argh!! And they've mentioned Political systems in it's future and that would be cool to have elections for Mayors of towns etc. I think they also mentioned the ability to become a Shop owner and own your own business in the towns- that would be neat.But I voted maybe because of it's high-end requirements. WoW is so insanely successful bacause any stock computer off a shelf in the last 3 years can run it and run it well!! With Vanguard- you are gonna need a brand new mid range PC to meet the minimum requirements or you must have upgraded the RAM, HD, Video card and CPU on your 2-4 yr old PC!! And installed a DvD drive on your PC because that game isn't coming out in CD form.If I had an extra $500 to get a new computer- I'd play it in a heartbeat I could spend $200.00 in upgrades and play Vanguard but my 1 3/4 yr old Dell w/ a socket 478 board with PCI slot only graphics just isn't worth dumping money into:(

Vanguard = Same old hard grind with a new face, new mechanics.. Whatever they new mechanic they come up with will have grind built in. grind crafting, grind diplomacy, grind skills. grind levels, grind travel mostly except for caravans. Anyhows grind ad nauseum. It's the only thing they know it seems. It worked very well with EQ1 back in the day and they're banking on it working again. Admittedly they may ease up some on the grind to create a greater appeal but the grind is intregal to their idea of a good game.

Spiritglow

It's only a grind if you don't enjoy it. If you're having fun playing a game why do you even worry about levels and grind?

Copeland · October 2006

Originally posted by Gorukha
I think people misunderstand what Brad McQuaid means by hard. This isn't going to be a puzzle solving game for geniuses. The guy just means you are going to have to WORK hard and earn everything through painstaking labor, like EQ. Of course if it makes you feel better to think that you are smarter than the average woW player by playing Vanguard all the power to yah . We know how high IQ you need for mmorpgs= 1+.

Actually if you listen to the inital hardcore fans it seems the game is changing. Alot of people are saying by the end it won't be much harder than WoW.

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