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dippitydodah
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I'd want to get excited about this game, however I know better. Turbine has dropped the ball on everything they have touched aside from AC1 which seems to have been a fluke. Their ideas are never properly implemented and development times to fix said ideas never come to total fruition.
After paying and playing games like Asheron's Call 2 and DDO, I can say that this company is incapable at best and I wonder if they ever actully play thier games long enough to understand how game mechanics even begin to work. Being a huge fan of LOTR I must say I'm grieving the loss of two huge liscenses, D&D and tolkien's work which could have been large splashes in a stagnating mmo pool are simply wasted on a talentless washed up company.
sad very sad.
However that being said, the sun does shine on a dog's ass every once in a while if they pull it off all the power to em, just wouldn't hold your breath.
After paying and playing games like Asheron's Call 2 and DDO, I can say that this company is incapable at best and I wonder if they ever actully play thier games long enough to understand how game mechanics even begin to work. Being a huge fan of LOTR I must say I'm grieving the loss of two huge liscenses, D&D and tolkien's work which could have been large splashes in a stagnating mmo pool are simply wasted on a talentless washed up company.
sad very sad.
However that being said, the sun does shine on a dog's ass every once in a while if they pull it off all the power to em, just wouldn't hold your breath.
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from mmorpgchart.com
"Launched on October 31, 1999, AC has been one of the most difficult games to get good subscription numbers for. Historically, both Microsoft and Turbine were reluctant to give out their figures, perhaps because they were not the big success that UO, EQ, and DAoC were. Still, Ive managed to get a few data points that I consider reliable, and removed a few that I have since determined to be erroneous. AC1 saw a peak of around 120,00 subscribers after the release of its first expansion pack, AC: Dark Majesty, but declined not long thereafter to around 80,000. The current number of AC1 subscribers seems to be uncertain, but the switching of the games billing from Microsoft to Turbine has cut the number of paying subscribers drastically. As of March 2006, AC1 had reportedly fallen to between 10,000 and 15,000 subscribers, although that number is disputed and could be closer to 30,000 "
I would barely call AC1 a success, when it was released there was 3 MMO's to choose from. People decided to play EQ and UO instead of AC1. Then DAOC came out and destroyed AC1.
They wish they had a fluke
Something ironic. When mythic (devs of DAOC) come out with WAR it will prolly crush LOTRO. History repeating itself.
Thats the biggest load of SH*T I have read all day.
Those games all three had potential out the ying yang. turdbine has already shown us what they are capable of. They will never produce anything better than they already have. Strike Three. I only wish they would just roll over before they take anymore money from kids that just look at the game titles. You know that is the core of there marketing strategy, show them the title and make a sale
Barely calll AC1 a success??? By today standards yes, when WOW has millions, but judging by the standards in 1999 and 2000 the game was a big success. As I've mentioned in other post there were only three games that people were talking about and that were EQ, UO and AC. AC1 had its two years, that were very good. EQ always had more ppl but AC was always there.
Yes DAOC crushed AC1 but DAOC came out in October 2001 so the numbers that you put up there are only proving that AC1 was a popular game
. Also the number of people playing MMORPGs now is at least 10 times more then it as back then, probably more.
That being said, Turbine haven't done nothing good since then.
Whats idiotic about it? To judge an upcoming product by the previous product a given company has produced in the past. People do it all the time. You ever bought something mostly because of the brand name on it? Ever not bought something because of who made it? Dont lie and say you havent. When people buy something thats mostly what they look at WHO MADE IT. Why? Because we know the kind of quality that given company produces.
/shrug
different development teams, different design plans. Just for the record I have never owned a Turbine game. I was busy with UO when AC1 released. DAoC and SWG/Eve beta testing when ACII came out and knew the group oriented DDO would not fit my play style. The DDO beta leaks and the weekend long open beta they had confirmed that.
On the other hand all movies made by Universal ( insert movie studio of choice) are not blockbusters. Like I said in the other thread people will buy what they want to. If the game is good it will sell, if it sucks it won't. No one really cares about your opinions except you Az. All your posts will not stop a single copy from selling if the game turns out to be good. All the fanbois "this game will rock" posts will not sell a single copy if the game sucks. Most of us can make up our own minds. I would guess that most of us will decide after they have a open beta, drop the NDA so the beta testers can comment, or read a few more official reviews.
I would not speculate if it will be good or bad at this point, I will make up my mind after I beta it, or read some reviews on official sites I can trust. I surely will not buy if it gets lukewarm reviews or they have a open beta and I don't care for it. But right now I will give it the benefit of the doubt. I certainly would not recommend anyone pre order it. For that matter I would never pre order any game that I had not betaed, or was 99.99 % sure I would like because someone I trusted had experienced it and recommended it.
I miss DAoC
First off if you never owned a turdbine game you need to stfu because thats what this thread is about.
I cant say I agree with you jack. Matter fact I would have to say you are dead wrong. In an obviously ignorant sort of way The game will sell regardless weather it good or bad because of the TITLE on it. Yep thats right jacko people that dont know better will buy it simply because of the title. Do I need to say that again so it sinks through to that brain of yours. Dont try and say it wont because you will have proven yourself a liar again. .
The title is the only thing that keeps DDO from being a TOTAL flop. In less than 6 months there will not be a DDO. When word gets around population will drop to near nothing, turdbine will pull support to work on something else, and next thing you know they announce that DDO is no longer viable and they are shutting down the servers.
Furthermore I dont expect to be able to influence everyone not to buy this game. But I will get a few people that didnt know before to stop and think a bit before ordering a turdbine game.
Another thing jacko if you intend to follow my every post and try to discredit them you can come on with it. You have already proven yourself a liar once I bet you can do it again.
Never owned a Porsche either, does not mean I can't have a opinion.
So what did Turbine do to piss you off so bad Az? Or is this just your form of entertaining yourself?
I miss DAoC
I miss DAoC
It was the "Turdbine" that made me re-think my decision. Now I don't know what I'll play...
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Why not wait until you actually play it, or at least hear real reviews other than rumors, till you decide whether you're going to bash the game or not. To do anything else is foolish.
I miss DAoC
Yes I think everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
You know I have never owned a Porsche either but you wont see me on the Porsche forums expressing my opinion of those cars. You know why? Because I dont know sh*t about them thats why. They look nice and I would like to have one but thats a pretty useless opinion to someone who is reading through the forums because they are considering buying one. You dont know how they handle, what plugs work best, what customer support is like, how much trunk space they have. Hell you dont even know if they have a trunk.
Stick to stuff you know something about
Yes I think everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
You know I have never owned a Porsche either but you wont see me on the Porsche forums expressing my opinion of those cars. You know why? Because I dont know sh*t about them thats why. They look nice and I would like to have one but thats a pretty useless opinion to someone who is reading through the forums because they are considering buying one. You dont know how they handle, what plugs work best, what customer support is like, how much trunk space they have. Hell you dont even know if they have a trunk.
Stick to stuff you know something about
You contradict your self in that post you know.
Also I know as much about LoTRO as you do, maybe more. This is a LoTRO forum not a Turbine forum. Chill out dude, you take this stuff way too serious.
I miss DAoC
2) If you keep calling them "turdbine", no one's going to take you seriously.
3) LotRO is not DDO. The team that made and works on DDO probably isn't making LotRO. They are working on DDO.
4) Why are you wasting your time? You think we're all going to change our minds because you don't like Turbine? Grow up, kid.
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Why must we keep doing this?
Can we for a moment forget the failures of this institution's past and focus on what they are doing presently with this title? It has as much opportunity to be the next successful MMO as any and does not deseve to be relegated to the past tense simply because its publisher has had a couple of less than successful games to date.
We owe it to the Tolkien legacy to a least wait until it releases to judge whether or not it is worthy of its title.
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Read the topic moron. Feel stupid don't you. As you should. Now stfu we ARE talking about turdbine.
1) Did he say we're not in a Turbine thread? (Hint: No. He didn't).
2) If you keep calling them "turdbine", no one's going to take you seriously.
3) LotRO is not DDO. The team that made and works on DDO probably isn't making LotRO. They are working on DDO.
4) Why are you wasting your time? You think we're all going to change our minds because you don't like Turbine? Grow up, kid.
1) He implied that its a thread about LoTRO when he accused me of contradicting myself. After that first statement he doesnt need to use the exact words this isnt a turdbine thread because he already said it.
You need to read more than one or two posts before you jump in at the end and start flapping your gums. There is more to this that you either dont know or chose to ignore in order to justify running your mouth. My guess is the latter.
2) This one must really get to you because you have brought it up before. Let me explain. They ripped me and a lot of other people off with Legions expansion. You dont release a $30+ expansion then turn right around and announce you are closing servers for that game. That being said I will call them what I dam well please, and turdbine seems to fit perfectly.
3) You dont know who is working on what. You need to read up and take the same advice I gave jack.
4) I dont consider it a waste of time. I am not so naive to think I can change anyones mind thats already made up
BTW I answered that question 8 or so post up. Like I said you need to read up some before you start running your mouth
This isnt ancient history we are talking about. It hasnt even been a year since turdbine closed the servers on AC2, and DDO was just released. This company isnt that old. turdbine crawled out from under M$s wing just a few years ago, and has been screwing up ever since. You reap what you sow. The really bad thing is they keep doing the same things wrong, they dont learn from there mistakes because they cant admit they did anything wrong. They blame there mistakes and failures on everything else. Good god read some of the interviews of the head fools at turdbine regarding AC2.
You want to honor Tolkien read his books. Worthy of the title???? There is absolutely no friggen way. If you had read his books you will know what I am talking about. The movies werent even worthy of the title, and I liked them so much I bought them all, but compared to the books?....Please Dont kid yourself this game has nothing whatsoever to do with Tolkien. Its just some greedy mofos exploiting his name and his ideas to help line there pockets. They did the same thing with DDO, thats why its falling on its face.
Just so you know, you're not really making me think twice about being interested in LOTRO at all. Its an incredibly unconvincing performance you're putting on littered with insults and personal attacks. All of your valid points are buried under calling other posters names in annoying bright green text. You're obviously incredibly emotionally wrapped up in this and it detracts from every point you make.
I think you're overestimating how much of the long LOTRO development cycle Turbine can recoup from box sales alone. If it only sold as well as DDO and didn't gain some more subscribers there wouldn't be anything to amortize the cost. Of course they wouldn't have to support the maintenance for very long. Plus if they wanted to rush this sucker out the time has already come and gone. ROTK was three years past and it'll likely be four years gone before the game hits shelves.
If it makes you feel better, I don't buy any games based on title. I don't buy them based on developer either, though. I buy them based on demos, trials, reviews from gaming sites, and the opinions of the gaming web comic artists who have suggested games I liked. If I got into some phase of the beta, open or a future invite, and discovered I liked the game, I would gladly purchase it over your objections and it wouldn't trouble me at all.
In your singular style you'll probably call me a liar at this point. I can walk through every CD on my desk if you like. I didn't even buy sequels to my favorite games until I could get them inexpensively because I wasn't absolutely sure about them. Sometimes to my sorrow, actually. I missed out on the hey days of StarCraft because I didn't like other RTS's and so avoided it until I actually played it at a friends house. My worst purchase was probably Call of Duty: United Offensive because I didn't check the system requirements closely enough and it was nearly unplayable on my old system when I first got it.
Deserved or not, for better or worse, Turbine does have the license. They've been developing LOTRO and they will likely finish it and release it. Since they've got it, whatever ultimately results deserves the same as any other game, a fair shot in the market. Personally, I would prefer that the game be fun. You've kind of leaped that whole step and concluded that the game is shitty. Even if it doesn't exist as a finished product yet. Its like doesn't matter to you if Turbine ultimately creates a good, solid MMORPG with the Tolkien license.
We're back to LOTRO at this point, because the thread isn't about Turbine as a company in some kind of vacuum. You can go back to the original post:
This game, properly implemented and development times, if they pull it off. Everything the OP has talked about is in relationship to LOTRO. Your first post was essentially only about Turbine, your second however was a judgement of LOTRO. And if you're trying to say now that the thread has nothing to do with the game, why are you even here? Why is this thread the target for some kind of subtopic exclusively about Turbine and your apparently unpleasant past with it? Why should we trust someone so vehement and caught up with Turbine that they'd proclaim a game trick and a failure months before its release any more than Turbine's press releases about it?
The OP is actually dead on, it makes perfect sense for people to be leery of another Turbine game and not get as hyped up about it as they would if someone else was making it. With the entirely proper caveat that if the game is of quality when it does come out, it should be judged on its merits and not put down in advance because its developer has made bad decisions in the past.
Finally you just are not going to find the legions of LOTRO fans here so you're kind of wasting your time. Shouldn't you be warning the Age of Conan fans about Anarchy Online's buggy launch? Or Vanguard fans about Sony's innumerable sins? What about EA-Mythic and Trammel? They never fixed that did they, and now they're making Warhammer, plus EA high-ups have frequently been ass hats with their exclusive contracts, for instance. I think all three of those games are more anticipated on MMORPG.com than LOTRO.