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  • ruegonruegon Member Posts: 63
    Most of the concerns that i read in this thread have already been adressed. and some haven't even done there home work. go to the  AoC forums you might get some insight! Anyway i personaly think its coming along very well. and im very excited to try this one i realize that Ao had some hard times but most new MMOs do then they learn from ther mistake and do better the next time. So i say give them a chance !image

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  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857



    Originally posted by joshwa
    Littile confidence in FC but hope Im worng. Past history says they will foul it up big time as they did with AO. BTW it was the AI expansion and the horrid launch that did in AO to a large degree. Only 10k paying customers at this point, not a good sign. FC has a way of ignoring customers unless the word nerf appears repeatedly. Sort of like a small Sony come to think of it....ewww sony now I have to wash my hands


    The game is five frickin years old, what do you expect? As to them ignoring customers, does FC have an evil twin running around somewhere? Because that certainly does not describe the company I'm thinking of.

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  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by joshwa
    Littile confidence in FC but hope Im worng. Past history says they will foul it up big time as they did with AO.

    I agree with you somewhat here... While I loved AO it was eventually Funcom that eventually killed the game for me and others like me.

    BTW it was the AI expansion and the horrid launch that did in AO to a large degree.

    I agree with the launch it was truely horrible and took months to get right.. (Months is way to long even for back then).. But I dunno about the AI expansion,  but I do know things took a turn for the worse when they forced EQ 1.5 (aka Shadowlands expansion on the Community).. Whole guilds just dissapered from the game.. In the end having to give away all my tower land (due to noone attacking them anymore) was one of the sadiest times online that I have ever had... I never even came back to try the AI expansion, I'll take it that it sucked as well...



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  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545
    You know what blows my mind. Joshwa and Tinybina are right! It's not like Funcom just decided all the fans were shit though. I think it was because they were expanding and lost sight of the AO community. They have been getting bigger and were looking forward to their next project(s)....that they deligated the responability of AO to "CindyLou who", who in turn, couldn't accomodate the needs of the AO community. I've seen it before but I could be wrong. Let's just hope that they don't get so big that they alienate so many fans by looking forward to the future and it's questionable possibilities that they fold or sell out to the likes of Sony...image

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  • zultarzultar Member Posts: 5
    I liked both AI and SL expansions. Many people thought that it was so easy to level killing hecklers in elysium that it was stupid but there were always a lot of people and it was fun. I made many alts just to experience those random teams in elysium. AO is still a good game and it's not empty. Most people just are in different places than they used to be before. Now they can be found In SL gardens or levelling in SL missions or killing aliens in APF or player cities.
  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545



    Originally posted by zultar
    I liked both AI and SL expansions. Many people thought that it was so easy to level killing hecklers in elysium that it was stupid but there were always a lot of people and it was fun. I made many alts just to experience those random teams in elysium. AO is still a good game and it's not empty. Most people just are in different places than they used to be before. Now they can be found In SL gardens or levelling in SL missions or killing aliens in APF or player cities.


    That kinda blows my mind! What do they tell new players? How do they explain that the game has expanded and they can be in the groove if they develope enough to get to the locations that you speak of??? I'm not trying to be negitive. Just curious?

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  • jldavisjldavis Member Posts: 41

    I have every positive hope possible about the game, at least at this point.

    However, confidence in the team(s) that will be in charge of the game and, even worse, the team(s) that control will most likely be handed off to long down the road.....that I'm not so sure of. I just hope the company is open minded enough to learn from their and other companie's mistakes.   image

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857



    Originally posted by tepthtanis



    Originally posted by zultar
    I liked both AI and SL expansions. Many people thought that it was so easy to level killing hecklers in elysium that it was stupid but there were always a lot of people and it was fun. I made many alts just to experience those random teams in elysium. AO is still a good game and it's not empty. Most people just are in different places than they used to be before. Now they can be found In SL gardens or levelling in SL missions or killing aliens in APF or player cities.

    That kinda blows my mind! What do they tell new players? How do they explain that the game has expanded and they can be in the groove if they develope enough to get to the locations that you speak of??? I'm not trying to be negitive. Just curious?

    There are reminders of the shadowlands all over the game. In fact at the very start you can choose to go there if you have the expansion for it. And if you join a guild with a city, the Aliens come to you without asking.

    Aside from that, word of mouth, but not much more. AO has unfortunately become one of those games where you're better off getting some connections from the start rather than forging ahead into the unkown. At least its not hard to get that kind of info if you look.

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  • DAndersonJRDAndersonJR Member Posts: 4
    I've been in a number of MMORPG starts (EQ, WoW, CoH, DDO), and the hype has always outdone the actual product.  I'm sure that will be the case here.  It will take about a 1/2 year for the game to mature, then it will be good for a while.

    Then, for some reason, the Dev's always seem to 'jump the shark' with these games.  (See Issue 5 of CoH for proof.)  I usually end up jumping off the game before they fix it.

    I think everyone should be sceptial, but optimistic.  The screen shots look great, but you don't play the screen shots.



  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130

    Originally posted by DAndersonJR

    Then, for some reason, the Dev's always seem to 'jump the shark' with these games.  (See Issue 5 of CoH for proof.)  I usually end up jumping off the game before they fix it.


    Exactly, Funcom did this before too in their last MMORPG with the Shadowlands Expansion....Whole guilds I used to fight agianst just dissapeared, friends I played with for hours apon hours stopped logging on, PVP died on my server ..  It basicly turned into a ghost town for me and others with their EQ 1.5 expansion that had nothing to do with the original AO.

    But from what I have seen playing MMORPG's is not a matter of if they do something so stupid, just a matter of when.  Ever MMORPG I have ever played was in the end eventually destroyed by the very people that made it..


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  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545



    Originally posted by Tinybina



    Originally posted by DAndersonJR

    Then, for some reason, the Dev's always seem to 'jump the shark' with these games.  (See Issue 5 of CoH for proof.)  I usually end up jumping off the game before they fix it.



    Exactly, Funcom did this before too in their last MMORPG with the Shadowlands Expansion....Whole guilds I used to fight agianst just dissapeared, friends I played with for hours apon hours stopped logging on, PVP died on my server ..  It basicly turned into a ghost town for me and others with their EQ 1.5 expansion that had nothing to do with the original AO.

    But from what I have seen playing MMORPG's is not a matter of if they do something so stupid, just a matter of when.  Ever MMORPG I have ever played was in the end eventually destroyed by the very people that made it..


    I'd hate to toot a horn I've played to many times before but hopefully the devs of Funcom will take a leap and ignore the carebears. I know it's been beaten to death but if the whinners would stop whinning and just learn to play with the unbalanced points in the game none of the above would occur. Sometimes it calls for creative thinking on the players part to overcome such an obstacle.

    Unfortunately, there are going to be imbalances in every game. It just happens! But when major nerfing gets called for...the game gets whacked by the nerf bat and then all hell breaks loose...image

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253

    I played in AO Beta.....image

    So if anyone is skeptical of ANYTHING Funcom has to say about ANYTHING its me.... believe me...

    However the more I see and read about AoC the more confident I become that Funcom is FULLY on the right track with this one. They seem to have considered pretty much everything. If anyone has ever appeared to learn from thier mistakes its these guys. Im hyped..... despite my better judegement.

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  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545



    Originally posted by Razorback

    I played in AO Beta.....image
    So if anyone is skeptical of ANYTHING Funcom has to say about ANYTHING its me.... believe me...
    However the more I see and read about AoC the more confident I become that Funcom is FULLY on the right track with this one. They seem to have considered pretty much everything. If anyone has ever appeared to learn from thier mistakes its these guys. Im hyped..... despite my better judegement.



    And that! Coming from you Razorback, is pretty important. You have earned at least a little respect from me.image

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  • lupisenparislupisenparis Member Posts: 185
    This game is definitely gonna be better than cartoonish wow rip-off warhammer.
  • tepthtanistepthtanis Member Posts: 545



    Originally posted by lupisenparis
    This game is definitely gonna be better than cartoonish wow rip-off warhammer.


    Why does everyone think that Warhammer is a Wow ripoff??? Warhammer...been around since the early 80's. Warcraft since the early 90's. Which came first?image

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  • ReapersSpawNReapersSpawN Member Posts: 13

    If things work out the way they have planned it and they dont go taking an axe to it every couple of months like some mmos (ie: WoW) then it should be good. IMHO i reckon this game has the right mix of everything to dethrone WoW.

    tepthtanis - i think lupisenparis means that Wow is a rip off of warhammer!? Well i think he is, who could possibly think the opposite image

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  • SturmrabeSturmrabe Member Posts: 927



    Originally posted by lupisenparis
    This game is definitely gonna be better than cartoonish wow rip-off warhammer.


    Warhammer is going to be a lot better than the gay-ass Warhammer ripoff WoW... Blizz devs even admit Warhammer influences...

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  • NoVu5NoVu5 Member Posts: 50

    Originally posted by Kungfubar
    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.
    Very, very skeptical.


  • SturmrabeSturmrabe Member Posts: 927



    Originally posted by NoVu5



    Originally posted by Kungfubar

    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.


    Very, very skeptical.


    I can't beleive people still operate under these misconceptions...

    The single player part will be server side, (you can send tells to people that are in the multiplayer part etc), and there has even been talk of co-op in the "single player" portion... the single player part is just a new twist on the "newb isle" part of MMO's, that focuses on the storyline and early development of your char... and once you get one of the 4 base classes past it, you can skip for future chars of the base class...

     

    AKA. if you get a mage class guy to level 20 and is out into the game, you can skip it for the next mage base char you make... IF you choose..

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  • NoVu5NoVu5 Member Posts: 50
    /meh

    Not my thing.



  • KruniacKruniac Member Posts: 132



    Originally posted by Sturmrabe



    Originally posted by NoVu5



    Originally posted by Kungfubar

    First I want to say the game looks great, and it sounds like it'll be a lot of fun.  But after watching the demo video and how things get implimented from the single player part to the MMO part, has me a little sceptical.  Seems like some of the things won't work in MMO that are part of the single player.


    Very, very skeptical.


    I can't beleive people still operate under these misconceptions...

    The single player part will be server side, (you can send tells to people that are in the multiplayer part etc), and there has even been talk of co-op in the "single player" portion... the single player part is just a new twist on the "newb isle" part of MMO's, that focuses on the storyline and early development of your char... and once you get one of the 4 base classes past it, you can skip for future chars of the base class...

     

    AKA. if you get a mage class guy to level 20 and is out into the game, you can skip it for the next mage base char you make... IF you choose..



    Yeah... Thats the first bad thing ive heard about this game so far. Lets hope its the last.

    "Single player experiences" should be left to console games. Everything should be multiplayer in an MMO, so that there can be signifigant risk of getting killed by another player while you are trying to advance. This helps establish a community in a game. Good guys... Bad guys... Cliques.... Good stuff.

  • SturmrabeSturmrabe Member Posts: 927

    Again, I don't see how its a BAD thing at all...

    For one thing there are assloads of single player PC games, so I do see what consols have to do with anything...

    For another its just the noobie area, so who cares, like noob isle really matters if you are multiplayer

    And another yet: You don't start paying a monthly fee until you are off of noob isle, so if you want to experiment and make 5 different alts and get them to 20, you can do so at your own leisure...

    And lets not forget that you can goin your guild/Clan and chat with other people right from there... and if you don't want to bother with, just skip it!

    Also from what I've read about the storyline its like a different place for each base class, so if you go from a rogue to a priest alt its like a different game at the start.

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  • A-l-a-r-i-cA-l-a-r-i-c Member Posts: 2

    image duh..

    The game rocks, havent seen ONE negative part of it yet..

    Only hope the stealth part take disstance form that nasty game "world of warcraft"'s rogue abilities like the "Vanish" skill etc..

    From watching this special "Character Creating,Off Mount/On Mount and siege war" Video i cant get my errection down.. : http://media.pc.ign.com/media/743/743392/vid_1513724.htm imagel

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  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857



    Originally posted by A-l-a-r-i-c

    image duh..
    The game rocks, havent seen ONE negative part of it yet..
    Only hope the stealth part take disstance form that nasty game "world of warcraft"'s rogue abilities like the "Vanish" skill etc..
    From watching this special "Character Creating,Off Mount/On Mount and siege war" Video i cant get my errection down.. : http://media.pc.ign.com/media/743/743392/vid_1513724.htm imagel



    Well, let me go ahead and reassure you on that score. Stealth abilities are in, but its not a click and poof your gone. Terrain, equipment, and the various senses of those around you all come in play. For example, you will stick out like a sore thumb no matter what you do in the middle of a road in broad daylight. You will have much better luck in a thicket wearing green and/or brown clothing, nothing bright and flashy. And if there are monsters around you that track by smell, they might find you anyways.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • zwarriorzwarrior Member Posts: 46
    Ok Ok, look at it this way. Generally after a closed beta, there's an open beta. ^_^ If in the near future those who are still skeptical about this game can just try out the open beta and see whats it like. Also remeber....a beta is a beta... meaning there will be mistakes and there will be some problems.... and on the other side there is alot of room for improvemetn, though I think AoC has nailed it, nothing wrong with some more ;-)
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