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They are CLEARLY in it for themselves, which is pretty much the OPPOSITE of what beta is about.
They seem to be those who are just unhappy with the current market in MMORPGs and are just tryin to play their new game sooner.
I'm not saying all, but many of the people I see bringing the noise about this would NOT be intelligent enough to fill out bug reports, test bugs to the point of narrowing down the dev team's list of possible problems, or any of the things that BETA is supposed to be for.
Beta is to help make a game nearing release WORTHY of being released. I find myself thanking the universe that many of these people DIDN'T win it (which I might add I didn't). The better to testers, the better the game will be at retail. And as we ALL have seen, those sore losers are anything but worthy of winning.
I can understand the frustration, but the way some choose to express that prooves they aren't deserving of what they feel is their God-given RIGHT.
I would now like to thank MMORPG.com for the opportunity to enter these contest which would otherwise be unavailable to me. I have not won any yet, and I hope someday I get to be involved with one of the games I am looking forward to.
To those who cannot handling losing a simple contest, GROW UP.
You're the same type of people who ruin the fun of these games you are so hell-bent on testing. How do you handle a PvP loss? Cry nerf or exploit or cheat?
Or do you just quit and say the game was crap, like you do here at MMORPG.com?
Flon Gerg - Master Asshat
Someone's gotta do it!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
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There just kids who have been spoiled rotten....
Its not there fault there parents sucked
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hey hey, your time will come
like me...i didn't think i would ever win ANYTHING
look what happened
that's why I haven't entered a raffle since december..i don't want to take someone elses prize, I scored big, now it's my turn to lay low and let someone else
good luck in all raffles to come
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Every contest has winner and whiners...
Lets not overanalyze this, everyone wants to play a new game before it comes out. Beta testing is for the betterment of the game, I agree. However, whoever wins wins. So as you guys have said, lets not whine about it.
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Ok just to play devils advocate here...
What about those that get into beta and actually test, give suggestions, reveal exploits and so forth but the devs totally ignore the countless pleas from testers?
I can tell you the beta for AO and SWG was a total muck up. Devs did not listen and now look what happened? Couple years later AO made a lot of changes those very testers complained about. Did they save the game? I don't know I just recently re-opened my subscription.
And now SWG is trying to save its game by implimenting a new experimentation system. Droid Engineers have been gimped since beta (I know I am one, or will be till my sub runs out in April). Experimentation means nothing but for a very small amount of components until this months patch. How many months went by? Quite a few.
What about Horizons? No dungeons upon release? I tested that game and most testers were in awe at those very statements released before the public. How many complaints were logged. How can you have an RPG without some kind of dungeon aspect?
I know a lot of people want to play new games, myself included. Sometimes testers lose hope and just play when glaring bugs are not fixed before release. I also think that most beta tests are so disorganized with no real focus. The testers are just thrown in and said to find bugs and play. I've seen it since the UO beta
devils advocate? you're just instigating a flame war!!!!! hehe, i cant argue with you on the whole not listening to the beta testers thing, but thats a whole 'nother thread alltogether I would 100% agree that a more organized testing system would promote an overall better game, though. i gotta give it up for that.
Nolf - Master Asshat
Someone's gotta do it!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
And if the people are unhappy with the current market of MMORPGs, what's wrong with them wanting to play their new game sooner? For the developers, it means if we can satisfy these people, then we have ourselves a great and unique game and this beta tester will go out and tell all his friends how great this game is before we even release it. Of course if it's a flop, like Uru, they will know a little bit before hand as to not put too much more money into the game.
Even people who just want to play the game are going to give some feedback in some kind of way. There are people who post their ideas on the forums on how they think the game could be balanced more. There will be people who will try to find ways to cheat in the game (these people should let the devs know about the cheats though). There will be people who will look for every graphical bug, misaligned texture, misplaced sounds, and so on (very few beta testers will ever do this). Then there are people who are just playing and the only time they send in a bug report is when their system crashes.
I know you are just responding to the people who were upset who wanted to beta test a certain game. But, I know there are quite a few people who are really following a certain game such as CoH, who really do want to play the game. Those people are going to be way more enthusiastic to play the game than people who just beta test for beta testing sake. I would never go the way of calling them unintelligent enough to fill out a bug report just because they are upset of not getting to play. Sounds like they are passionate and probably the kind of people I would want to beta test my game.
[quote]Originally posted by Alient
Yes, beta is about testing the game, but FOR THE DEVELOPERS. Developers aren't going to go out and pay a few thousand people to do a server stress test or test the authentication and account management systems. So they count on a few thousand people to want to try out a new game before it's released. Of course closed betas will have fewer than the thousands I just mentioned, but you wouldn't want to start out with open beta if your authentication system wasn't working too well with a couple hundred people.
And if the people are unhappy with the current market of MMORPGs, what's wrong with them wanting to play their new game sooner? For the developers, it means if we can satisfy these people, then we have ourselves a great and unique game and this beta tester will go out and tell all his friends how great this game is before we even release it. Of course if it's a flop, like Uru, they will know a little bit before hand as to not put too much more money into the game.
Even people who just want to play the game are going to give some feedback in some kind of way. There are people who post their ideas on the forums on how they think the game could be balanced more. There will be people who will try to find ways to cheat in the game (these people should let the devs know about the cheats though). There will be people who will look for every graphical bug, misaligned texture, misplaced sounds, and so on (very few beta testers will ever do this). Then there are people who are just playing and the only time they send in a bug report is when their system crashes.
I know you are just responding to the people who were upset who wanted to beta test a certain game. But, I know there are quite a few people who are really following a certain game such as CoH, who really do want to play the game. Those people are going to be way more enthusiastic to play the game than people who just beta test for beta testing sake. I would never go the way of calling them unintelligent enough to fill out a bug report just because they are upset of not getting to play. Sounds like they are passionate and probably the kind of people I would want to beta test my game.
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I said nothing about those people not being intelligent enough to do those things. You say those I speak of are passionate. I say passionate about the WRONG EFFIN THINGS. Your point is valid, but misdirected. You say you know that I'm talking to the people who were upset. You're wrong. I was upset and dissapointed about not winning it. I'm talking about those who were beyond upset. And if they were only upset, then they should be heavily medicated because they react like their worlds are ending.
You and I, my friend, are not talking about the same people here.
Nolf - Master Asshat
Someone's gotta do it!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
I was just trying to get people to look at someone else's point of view before people start pointing fingers at someone else. BTW, I haven't ever complained about not being in a beta. So, I may have no idea what the point of view is for these people who are complaining about not getting into beta.
I was just trying to get people to look at someone else's point of view before people start pointing fingers at someone else. BTW, I haven't ever complained about not being in a beta. So, I may have no idea what the point of view is for these people who are complaining about not getting into beta.
yo man, of course no offense is taken:) just an idea exchange out here! and yeah, as you pointed out, i didn't really specify what "bringing the noise" was. I was speaking to those saying that the site rigs the contests, the the admin is conspiring against them, and the rants that pre/proceeded those types of claims.
like i said, being disappointed is one thing. i'm speaking about those people who take it to that next level: too far.
as to your points, i completely agree, speaking about those like us experiencing and coping with normal levels of disappointment
*kills self*
Nolf - Master Asshat
Someone's gotta do it!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Um do these people you are going on about get paid to beta... otherwise yeah your damn straight they are in it for themselves...
If you like that type of attitude so much why don't you move to some communist country. That way you can work all your life and have all your earnings equally distributed among the population. But as long as you are in america don't knock people for getting something that benefits them out of a deal.
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Yeah its about testing and reporting. But since you arent getting paid to do work for them, you should get some enjoyment and fun out of it. These retards who say "its only about work work work", bullcrap, whos gonna have that mentality when you either have to pay for Beta or its free? When you actually pay me for beta then it will be about work. Until then its play/work. And yes I won CoH beta too so... die!
If its true that when you drop a cat it lands on its feet or if you drop toast it lands butter-side down... what happens if you strap toast to a cats back and drop it?
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Actually on the post itself I totally disagree.
Now considering the draw is random there is no saying those that win are better testers that those that did not win.
Also a common statement from low count posters that win is "I visit the site a lot but rarely post".Ok considering submission of bugs in beta is done on a forum ,do you think someone that is very inactive on forum is more likely to post then someone who regularly post?
However that said mmorpg.com has done the best they can do concerning the competitions and thats to give an extra chance everyday you visit the forum.That might not stop people who only register and come back to check if they won but at least it hampers them.
This is the best thing that could have been done for the competitions.Personally I would have said make the chance x2 everytime you log in.
In short some games(ie dragon empire) actually pick handpick their beta testers from their forum.A moderator handpicks them .
This of course will not work here because quite simply we would not have the 60,000 or whatever registered users as most are registered purely for the competition.I doubt if I count all posted in last 6 months(1 post or 1000 ) we would have 1000 even .
Another matter is those that won and then win again.If they are so keen to be real beta testers do you think they should take on a second game to test?It is hard enough testing properly a mmorpg let alone 2.
So are this people going to make good beta testers?I think not.
Let me just say that I love hercules, and I absolutly hate Kriminal. Both attempted to make the same point and I would like to complement hercules on the way he said it.
Secondly let me point out that the testers who are chosen off of this sight, and sights like it are bug testing the same ways you test to see if an intertube has a hole in it. Submurse the damn thing and see where the bubbles come up. Nobodies expecting these people to be experts, they want beta testers to have fun, in the hopes that when they come across something they don't like, or thats preventing them from having fun, that they speak up about it. That way devs can see where some of the glairing problems are, before they reach retail shelves.
Finaly I agree to the extent that people get way to poed when they don't win beta's on this sight. Not winning doesn't mean it's going to be the end of the world. I mean I was in for the COH beta, I didn't win, and you don't see me complaining. Still I do think they should be able to post their discontent on this sight, just hopefuly not spam it all over the forum, to any of you loosers out there you might choose to post how angry you are in one thread. Instead of taking up half the of the first page in general discussion with your angry ravings.
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I think that people who didn't test before should get a chance to win too, why shouldn't they? Because they are less experienced? Damn, everybody has to learn one day, if you are not letting them that is not friendly and kind of discriminating.
But like said before, most of the beta testers that are trying the game, come in when they are stress-testing and they just have to play and have fun, companies hope to get a bigger fanbase too if they let a lot of people in (more money when they go gold).
Sorry that some didn't win but that's life: some you lose, some you win.
I only started testing in 2003 and I have a lot to learn but I am eager to do so. But I also wanna have fun while doing so, if you take everything to seriously you die. And yes I won CoH too.
One day all will die, surely you but never I.
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