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Lineage II Successful?
MiNaAu
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Looks at this piece of news
NCsoft today announced Lineage® II, with more than 14 million customers worldwide, has reached 100,000 active players in North America and Europe. The title started as a cult favorite of many massively multiplayer online (MMO) gamers in North America and Europe and continues its success as the premiere player-versus-player (PvP) online role playing game for the elite PvP player.
"With more than 14 million customers worldwide, has reached 100,000 active players in North America and Europe." 14 million customers and 100,000 active players? I suspect most of them, to be bots.
"The title started as a cult favorite of many massively multiplayer online (MMO) gamers in North America and Europe" Do you think this game has been successful overall? And do you think Lineage II has actually been a favourite of many people?
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I smell a Lineage 2 bash topic.
Every game has bots, simple as that.
If lineage 2 has been successfull and the favorite of many people?
Its the 3rd most played MMORPG, right behind Lineage 1, and at its peak it had 4 million active subscribers, and you ask if Lineage 2 has been successfull and loved?
I doubt those are new bots, they are probably from the same farmer companies, When franz opened, I noticed a decrease in farmers on my server (Teon). Lineage 2 is actually prety successfull, and 100k subscribers is a nice accomplishment.
I doubt those are new bots, they are probably from the same farmer companies, When franz opened, I noticed a decrease in farmers on my server (Teon). Lineage 2 is actually prety successfull, and 100k subscribers is a nice accomplishment.
I reactivated my account when the new server launced and let me tell you, it wasn't pretty. I do believe over 50% of those were new bots since the numbers were insane to the point where it was almost impossible to kill mobs because of them, but hey pvp was actually fun in the starter towns.
Not sure why L2 is so controversial. Many other games have more blatant grinds, *without* pvp, *without* castle sieges, and *without* regular free expansions.
I've been subscribed to pre/post CU SWG, Eve, CoH/V, Ryzom, Shadowbane, RFO, and Anarchy Online. I've played more trials and betas than that, and yet I keep coming back to L2. Out of those games, RFO, post-CU SWG, and Coh were the biggest grinds I've played.
I'm not going to claim it's the hands-down "best" mmo there is, but I don't get where all the L2 bashing comes from. It's a huge game with tons more to come. They've had 5 free expansions, and the upcoming one is called "Interlude", suggesting that they're only halfway there.
dumb discussion but I'll answer
yes
Lineage 1 was very successful. Lineage 2 possibly even more successful
there arent too many MMO's out there that have been this successful, and then created an even more successful successor
i cant think of one off the top of my head
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
I started the Trial and really wanted to like it. I love the Artwork, I love the wonderful and original features. I knew the terrible grind would make me crazy sooner or later, but I wanted to enjoy the first 30 or 40 Levels.
I spawned in the Starter Village to see dozens of Dwarves and little Human girls running to the guards to be killed. I tried to hunt Mobs, competing with even more Dwarves and Human girls running around like annoying cockroaches. I quit the game and will never touch it again. I have yet to see another game with such an overwhelming amount of Bots.
To be honest: I'm quite a NCSoft-Fangirl because of their awesome work with CoH/CoV but they should be ashamed to state in their Pressrelease:
"Additionally, NCsoft has implemented aggressive policies to eliminate
activities like "botting" and "farming" which give some players unfair
advantages over legitimate players."
A month ago though, about 60% of his accounts where banned, including a full bot group consisting of 8 characters.
The moderaters aren't really doing nothing, but, its still not enough.
Due to the game mechanics its quite easy and also very attractive to make a bot program for it, compared to World of Warcraft for example, simply because you don't have to really move to a target manually, you just click on the target, and you move towards it and it will attack untill its dead.
Hell, its even possible to control 4 characters a time in that game, I've seen it happen.
The game itself isn't bad, its just the community, the economics, the bots, and not enough moderation, that screw up the whole game and make the grind, which is pretty big, even worse.
That is true but come on I know you have a dislike of western games. But you can't seem to come to grips with the fact that Lineage II has a pandemic of bots. The recent spate of all the botters getting accounts on this site just to get a free trial to lineage II shows the problem with the game.
That is what is keeping me away from it. I would love to play Lineage II. Its seems like a very good game. However until it really does something about the bots I will continue to ignore it.
And this is probably why people bash it so much. And really can you blame them ??? I can't.
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Right on. OP distorted the meaning of the official statement from NCSoft.
Not sure why L2 is so controversial. Many other games have more blatant grinds, *without* pvp, *without* castle sieges, and *without* regular free expansions.
I've been subscribed to pre/post CU SWG, Eve, CoH/V, Ryzom, Shadowbane, RFO, and Anarchy Online. I've played more trials and betas than that, and yet I keep coming back to L2. Out of those games, RFO, post-CU SWG, and Coh were the biggest grinds I've played.
Less or more, L2 has stil a LOT of grind. In the west, a lot of people who play games often have jobs, school or other responcibilities. With a salary that would sustain their lifestyle, the thought of losing a job or skipping school usualy is not very appealing. In the east, the job isnt as fullfilling or rewarding, so there is little fear from getting punished for skipping school or work. I say this from my prvious experience, I lived in Soviet Union long time ago and the monthly salary was just enough to buy a pair of shoes. So there was little thought about losing a job, all I lost were just a pair of shoes. Maybe this is a bad example, but i think the economical and psychological factor stays the same regardless what nation this applies to (even in North America, how regretfull is it to lose a job as a lowest ranking McDonald worker?). SO as a result of this potentialy "free" time, the grind in games is not as, for lack of better word, grinding. Thats the only theory that I have.
I'm not going to claim it's the hands-down "best" mmo there is, but I don't get where all the L2 bashing comes from. It's a huge game with tons more to come. They've had 5 free expansions, and the upcoming one is called "Interlude", suggesting that they're only halfway there.
If only people were more mature and respect other people's opinion, there would be no bashing of games. Some people like grind, some dont. I personaly dont like grind and I dont like L2 for that same reason, but I think L2 is a very sucessfull game. It has a lot to offer, but you have to sacrifice a lot in order to get to that fun part. Personaly, I like to start having fun as soon as I pay for it, and not after a year or two. It saddens me, however, to hear bad news about the invasion of the botters and that a lot of people had their fun ruined becuase of that. The only way to fix this is to either instanciate everything, or fix the economic problems in low income countries so people will play games for fun and not to earn money to survive.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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That is true but come on I know you have a dislike of western games. But you can't seem to come to grips with the fact that Lineage II has a pandemic of bots. The recent spate of all the botters getting accounts on this site just to get a free trial to lineage II shows the problem with the game.
That is what is keeping me away from it. I would love to play Lineage II. Its seems like a very good game. However until it really does something about the bots I will continue to ignore it.
And this is probably why people bash it so much. And really can you blame them ??? I can't.
I don't have any dislike of western games, will people PLEASE stop making that assumption? Just because I speak fondly of some korean MMO titles and point out the flaws of western MMO's in anti-korean topics does not mean I suddenly dislike western MMORPG's, I'm getting slightly annoyed by that.Yes, I tend to enjoy some korean MMO's more then some western titles, but that doesn't mean I suddenly dislike western titles)
moving on, the current bot problem you see is because of the free trial. its no surprise, and was to be expected. another reason bots are so widely seen in Lineage 2 is because NCsoft is known to do close to nothing about the bots, hence bot farmers won't even try to come up with a good character name, so they jump in the eye more often then in other games. and, the most important part, Lineage 2 doesn't have instances. thats why you will see the bots in bright day light.
There's plenty more reasons for the huge amount of bots in Lineage 2, and having no instances surely isn't the biggest.
That might be because you call 90% of the western games an EQ Clone.
Trust me, I've seen plenty of bots before the trial, on some servers even worse then it is now.Thats because 90% of the western games ARE EQ clones, but that doesn't mean I suddenly dislike them.
There's plenty more reasons for the huge amount of bots in Lineage 2, and having no instances surely isn't the biggest.
Most of the good loot in most titles is set in instances, and instances, you can't see bots. simple as that.
Lol. I'd assume the remaining 13,900,000 are located in China, Taiwan,
Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, the
Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand and the rest of
the world? There are over a billion people in China alone, and South
Korea citizens have the best broadband coverage of any country. I think
it is safe to say Lineage II may very likely a favourite of many people
who do not live in Europe or North America.
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I don't have any dislike of western games, will people PLEASE stop making that assumption?
You have never stated plainly that you hate western games. However the tone of your posts give the impression that you do. Call it non verbal communication. Personally I don't care if you like western games or not. I will admit that I cant stand anime and therefore I dislike eastern games. I realize all eastern games probably don't use anime but it has soured me on them.
Another thing I can't understand you always praising Lineage II. As I have said before all games have them but Lineage II does not seem to care. I would also believe that no western game has as high a percentage of bots as Lineage II does.
What does all this mean in grand scope of things... NOTHING.
This is not a flame but to my little mind it sure seems to me that you do have a dislike of western games.
So anyway what do you care what I think. I am just one old gamer seeing her hobby destroyed by &^%$^ bots and farmers.
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Waiting on Guild Wars 2
I don't see how it can possibly be that popular.
Honestly,
there's a lot to like about the Game. The graphical style is really
cool. The open PVP with alignments and castles is an awsome concept.
The story and ambience seem cool. Defenitely a game I really wanted to
like.
The grind, and lack of quests would have been something
I didn't really like as much, epecially considering what I heard about
the later levels, but the PVP would have made it worth it, I think.
But, the game is pretty much unplayable because of the bots.
I mean, sometimes I get annoyed in games when I see a bunch of immature
players with names like 7337Noobzkilla23 running around. I feel like I
can't really relate to people like that... but then... that's what some
gamers are like... I can accept that. At least they're people.
What I can't do, is play a game where out of every 10 characters I see,
only one is a real person, while 8 have names like kguifdd, and
gjeriic, ,ijhddldi, and oghfids, and run around mindlessly killing
everything (even when you're trying to fight it) and the 10th, is
another bot controlled by the farmer who's job is to kill any actual
players that come in and try to compete with the bots.
What's the point of playing a game like that?
It's actually not even possible, even when you try.
I know people are gonna say the fun starts at higher levels but if that's the case it's just poor design on NC Soft's part.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Yes, it's a Korean game and it follows the Korean model. Yes, it has a lot of bots and farmers, but this is also not uncommon for many games -- Asian and Western -- and there is a big market for Adena in light of the hardcore nature of L2's economy. 100k subscribers in Europe and North America is no small number in light of the fact that the game is really an Asian design that most appeals to Asian gamers.
I mean, saying that 100k subscribers is a failure when EVE is a big success at 130-150k subscribers is a bit ... off. Everyone said EVE was a great success with 100k subs around a year ago as well. L2's 100k in the West is quite remarkable for a game designed like L2, and speaks to the overall polish of the game.
Lineage 2 have 1.300.000 paing costumers 14M are counting everione that tried the game, i am not bashing, i like this game