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sidenote/question about eve-o forum mods
damian7
Member Posts: 4,449
in EVE Online
is it just me, or do they just do what they want?
recently, proton power made a double post announcing the start of the PCI alliance. a mod locked the post with several replies and left open the post with no replies at all.
why? he plainly states it was a double post and that's why he locked it. so he HAD to have seen the thread with no replies, otherwise, why would he have said it was a double post?
now, i use that as an example of half assed stupidity, imo. i've noticed other things that i've actually sat and thought, "damn, i thought wow mods were stupid and jerkwads... guess i was wrong."
so, is it just that i've happened to notice half a dozen or so eve-o mod comments that were where they just couldn't be bothered to pay any attention to detail and do things like that to try to show they have the forum power, just like the wow mods? or, are the eve-o mods actually decent folks?
recently, proton power made a double post announcing the start of the PCI alliance. a mod locked the post with several replies and left open the post with no replies at all.
why? he plainly states it was a double post and that's why he locked it. so he HAD to have seen the thread with no replies, otherwise, why would he have said it was a double post?
now, i use that as an example of half assed stupidity, imo. i've noticed other things that i've actually sat and thought, "damn, i thought wow mods were stupid and jerkwads... guess i was wrong."
so, is it just that i've happened to notice half a dozen or so eve-o mod comments that were where they just couldn't be bothered to pay any attention to detail and do things like that to try to show they have the forum power, just like the wow mods? or, are the eve-o mods actually decent folks?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Comments
Forum Mods are volounteers.
That aid. There are good ones, those who take their job seriously, and those that are just being "weird".
Nonetheless, if you have any problems, mail to mods [et] ccpgames.com
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
The mods, ISD etc, are all normal folks like you and I, who play the game. They don't get paid for it, and they aren't robots with standard replies like you find in most MMO's where they give you a form letter reply.
Take it easy, they're not jerks, they're just people with different attitudes, again, not robots like mods on other games.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Companies tend to use other mailservers or adresses for replies. Completely normal.
Also sorry to hear, that apaprantly a not so competent was aswering you.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
eve-crc.net is the domain for the EVE Online Forum moderators, it's normal to get email from that address. They even have a website you can visit to learn more about them.
http://eve-crc.net/
Sheez. The mods on the EVE forums are among the best I've ever interacted with.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
did you actually read my initial post? if so, perhaps you could actually pay attention to ALL the words in it, and not one sentence. otherwise, feel free to gbtw. thanks.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
maybe the thing i got wound up about was the moronic response given to ... nevermind. go do whatever it is you do little man. more and more, you seem like gameloading.
I'm not the one carping about yelling at forum mods for locking the wrong thread then complaining because I didn't like the response I got. They don't get paid ya'know... that's the entire meaning behind "volunteer". They do that stuff in their free time. They're human... they catch a lot of crap from people on the forums who don't like being told not to swear/curse/whatever. They get heat from folks (including me) who don't like the laungage filter (I get annoyed when crackpot or crackerjack or whatever gets filtered because I think it's silly). They get grief for any number of things on any given day. Been there, done that... not fun.
So if you got a slightly less than nice response just chalk it up to some poor schlep that got hollered at by a disgruntled player for no real good reason a few too many times and relax. It happens. Move on. If they were paid employees I'd hold them to a different standard. But they're not.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
maybe
the thing i got wound up about was the moronic response given to ...
nevermind. go do whatever it is you do little man.
more and more, you seem like gameloading.
I'm not the one carping about yelling at forum mods for locking the
wrong thread then complaining because I didn't like the response I
got. They don't get paid ya'know.
IT
doesnt matter if they get paid, if they take on responcibility to be a
forum mod, they need to act professional. That being said, what was the
unprofessiona reply that OP received? RIght now we have to trust OP's
definition of professionalism, and since he is the interested party,
that makes his opinion rather subjective.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
like i said, maybe you could actually read the entirety of what i'd said, how it's not me just going "zomgwtfbbq" at one incident, and it's someone that signs his name with 'captain of blah blah blah' being a smart alec.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I am also an avid reader on the official forums. I have never seen any sign of forum mods abusing power there. Sure they pick certain threads to lock over others. Thats what they are there for. If they lock a thread I was posting in I just suck it up and post in the one they didn't lock. You really need to relax. If things were anywhere near what you seem to want people to think they are then the EVE community would be up in arms about the forum mods. Fact is that they aren't. In fact, quite the opposite, most of the forum mods are quite well liked, respected, members of the community. Unlike forum mods for som other games *cough SOE cough* who typically are despized and treated with loathing and disdain.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
>
> > *snip* Discussion of moderation is a no-no. If you have any questions
> > ( or comments/concerns) please email us at mods@ccpgames.com. - Tirg
> >
> >above is copied from forum, below is me.
> >
> > so, someone double posts. you lock the post that has REPLIES in it,
> > and leave the one with no replies open. you obviously saw both, hence
> > the 'double/cross post' comment made when locking the thread. maybe
> > in the future, good sense can be utilized and the double post that has
> > NO replies in it could be locked?
> >
> > if you have issues with my having issues about non-good sense being
> > used, feel free to reply to this email.
> >
>
now, i get to thinking about all the other wow-esque forum stupidity that i've been noticing since i've made the mistake of actually visiting the eve-o forums of late. and it really does remind me of the bs that the *genius* wow mods do, which irk people constantly. so, i send another mail following the initial one. now, feel free to do like that guy did to my initial post, and zero in on one tree and miss the forest, because that's exactly what captain ulything did.
here's the second one i sent, shortly after the first. now, if you notice in the first, i copied a mod statement and made my own statement, so i'm talking about both here. and the thing that was snipped was "i was going to reply in the thread where everyone was talking, but for some reason it's locked now..." just so no one thinks i was being a freak in what i'd posted that was snipped.
> while i'm thinking about it. just for the record, it's r-tard nazi
> garbage like this, that makes games like world of warcraft
> soooooooooooo wonderful.
>
>
> that's part of why this REALLY irks me.
>
> don't lower this game to wow's level of garbage.
>
here's captain ickyiuro's reply. now they weren't my threads, but i was one of the people that was corresponding in the one they locked. now, i don't say anyone IS a nazi, i refer to the actions. just like on here, i can't call a person an idiot, but i can speak of their actions as idiotic and their ideas as moronic. but, with all the little smart alec comments i keep seeing from the mods on the eve-o forums, in the month or so that i've been perusing them (again, my bad, shouldn't ever go to the eve-o forums and expect much), i've really noticed little power trips, VERY much akin to the way the blizzard/wow forum mods like to do. so now you guys are saying the mods are volunteers, who play the game... that explains a lot of the comments that i've been "wtf" about from them.
Hello ,
After reading your first email I was inclined to write you a
reasonable explanation of why your thread was locked, and why the
other was left open. That was until I read your second email where
you refer to the moderation team as retard nazis.
again, for the reading impaired, i'm making a comparison to wow mods and asking that the game doesn't sink to that level of stupidity. but i'm sure that since i dare to have an opinion and i dare to take offense at anything, that knowitalls will condemn me to the pits of tarterus... he was going to write me a reasonable explanation, but since he is not a nazi, he instead makes not-nice with me, ignoring in entirety something, that by his own words, has a 'reasonable explanation' to it?
I will make myself clear on this, just so you dont misinterpret this
statement; We do not tolerate any harassment to CCP staff, volunteers
or any other authorised personel here at CCP.
You would be wise not to make a repeat performance.
Regards,
Uly
CRC Captain
Interstellar Services Dept.
mods@ccpgames.com
to repeat myself a third, or fourth time, since i don't want anything misinterpreted. i've been reading a number of smart-alec replies and just weirdly reasoned locks/snips/whatever over this past month, hence my sending the second email.
so if you take offense, or just don't understand my thinking, then i take offense at your taking offense beforehand with no touchbacks.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I am also an avid reader on the official forums. I have never seen any sign of forum mods abusing power there. Sure they pick certain threads to lock over others. Thats what they are there for. If they lock a thread I was posting in I just suck it up and post in the one they didn't lock. You really need to relax. If things were anywhere near what you seem to want people to think they are then the EVE community would be up in arms about the forum mods. Fact is that they aren't. In fact, quite the opposite, most of the forum mods are quite well liked, respected, members of the community. Unlike forum mods for som other games *cough SOE cough* who typically are despized and treated with loathing and disdain.
must be why the several alliances i have friends in actively avoid the eve-o forums and have been saying i'm stupid for even bothering to read them.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
The only thing I find stunning here is that you can't understand why he got mad at you.
Your followup email was un-necessary and unprofessional. Sure he could have handled it better but I don't really blame him. Your first email was reasonable and I'd have replied to it in a reasonable manner. Your second email was a bit out of line. Like I said, he could have handled it a bit better but he's not the one that was out of line. He was blunt and such but not by any stretch unprofessional.
"just for the record, it's r-tard nazi garbage like this"
Above you imply that the moderator acted like a "r-tard nazi" no matter how you slice it you DID in fact insult them. Maybe you didn't intend to but it's absolutely an insult.
His reply, while blunt, and pointedly NOT answering your first question (I probably wouldn't have either at this point) was NOT in any way, shape, or form, out of line. As to his signature: That's his title at CCP. He's the CRC Captain jeez get a clue. Intersteller Services Department is the "company" that the forum mods are a part of. It's a roleplaying thing they do at CCP I guess. Silly but hey... it's what they do.
Again: Nothing in his reply is out of line. Everything about your followup email WAS out of line. And he had every right to correct you and warn you about your choice of verbiage.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
... you call the mods retarded Nazi's, then get confused why you might not get any help past that point?
I'd suggest that you stop reading the forums, especially stop posting to the forums and please, whatever you do, stop mailing mods. From the beginning you handled this situation horribly and you just kept getting much worse. You're lucky you weren't given a warning or worse.
yes, nazi.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
yes, nazi.
Dude if you really can't see what you said was wrong then there's nothing we can do to enlighten you. It's just a lost cause. I am done trying to explain it to you. It just really.... really... isn't worth the effort.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
all in all eve is a great game as long as you can pay for it in isk.
the pvp that i've seen, from pvp alliances/corps, has been gankfests. if it's an even fight, one side keeps calling in reinforcements until they've got the numbers and then the one with the lesser team will leave. please don't pretend it's something it's not. cox's pvp is an afterthought and quite bad. wow's pvp itself, i.e. the battlegrounds, isn't bad considering. if all you're looking for is a good fight, out of the three, the wow bg wins, hands-down.
there's not really a way to have 'fair' pvp in eve. not when you consider all the possibilities. so i guess gankfest is how it has to be. bigger fleet wins.
now if i'm wrong about pvp, then the devs wouldn't be changing it. sort of like other games, they improve on areas that need improving, not on areas that don't need improving.
the forums aren't any better than wow. that i've seen from just a month of watching them (with 9 months of playing). that player run stock market thing is some sort of joke.
the people that play eve, are the same ones that play COx, wow, daoc, etc. so the community really isn't that different. less kids because the pvp isn't so exciting for the children, but the rest of the playerbase is the same, sans women.
but yeah, i don't understand the bias in what the forum mods do/don't do, just like i don't understand it in wow.
nor do i understand things like...
when i first started playing, in that rookie help channel, convo went something like this.
some random guy: hey, what's a quick way to make isk
insert random ideas
other random guy: just don't buy isk on ebay, it'll get you banned
some mod in colored typing: don't discuss buying isk, this is your warning.
that's exactly how the conversation went. no one said anything other than that one line about ebay and isk.
so yeah, coupled with the forums, the folks doing the policing are the same nazi-esque breed that chills in wow.
edited: wtf is wrong with your replies above??? i'm a paying customer, i'm irked/pissed/upset about my not being able to tie my shoes in a fast enough fashion ingame (insert whatever), as a paying customer (no matter how it's paid for or whom pays it), the people working the help desk are not the ones to make threats or to take offense. they're the ones to maintain politeness at all times. that's how you treat customers.
not sure what planet you guys are from, but by my not filling an email with profanity, i'm showing all the restraint that customers are required to have -- ever -- anyplace. especially if they're not satisfied with a product.
wtf indeed.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
After reading the maily I hereby retract this comment and excuse myself to CCPs Mod Team. You insulted them, damain7, and that in a very low manner.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
After reading the maily I hereby retract this comment and excuse myself to CCPs Mod Team. You insulted them, damain7, and that in a very low manner.
then they shouldn't act like wow mods. if the cable goes out, i sure as heck don't take threats from the person answering the phone when i call to complain, and we customers do get unruly if it goes out during a big fight or match.
but, again, there i go, thinking with my wallet.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
":dude: i'm going to kill everyone in space yar!"
":mod: not if i beat you to it."
lame example but you get the idea
why in the world would you censor my harmless statement, yet that same person goes thru pruning threads on another forum and conveniently misses the same person in his pruning time and again? ie whatever alliance forum that requires you to have your corp and/or alliance showing, no anonymous alts. THAT is nazi.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell