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Ransom73 · December 2006

Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE.

http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/

Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next...

MMO_Man · December 2006

They will just replace him with another moron.

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by Ransom73

Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE.
http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/
Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next...

Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it.

Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do.

So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise.

I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it.

You can count on it.

Dundee · December 2006

Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Ransom

Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE. http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/ Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next... Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.

Originally posted by iskareot

Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it. Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do. So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise. I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it. You can count on it.

Nah, no conspiracy afoot there.

I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.

I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.

Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.

MMO_Man · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee

Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Ransom

Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE. http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/ Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next... Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.

Originally posted by iskareot

Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it. Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do. So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise. I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it. You can count on it.

Nah, no conspiracy afoot there.

I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.

I am sorry for how insensitive I was. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.

Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - ranging from becoming a hobo, to burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.

Let's just hope it's not in the game industry.

BTW, I wish I had thought of making another fake account and pretend to be Jeff Freeman.

Dundee · December 2006

Originally posted by MMO_Man

Let's just hope it's not in the game industry.

BTW, I wish I had thought of making another fake account and pretend to be Jeff Freeman.

Scared me for a second, there. I knew I'd get a beating for backtracking to the link here. Still, I hoped there'd be a moment or two of polite conversation before you showed me your boots.

My wife's telling me I shouldn't post at all.

Having an inability to say much of anything about this forum's topic, I've found myself without any sort of idea what I thought I'd accomplish here.

So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...

BaronJuJu · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee

So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...

What? No one here ever takes things out of context!

Welcome to the forums by the way and as Han would have said:

"Good luck....you're gonna need it."

thefixer · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee

Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.

I'm guessing that putting your NGE Galaxies experience on your resume isn't exactly going to be a positive in the Austin game-development job market, considering that SWG is now held across the industry as the golden standard of how not to run a game.

The pre-CU crew didn't seem to have much trouble finding new jobs. The people invloved in the NGE? I'm thinking not so much.

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee

Originally posted by MMO_Man

Let's just hope it's not in the game industry.

BTW, I wish I had thought of making another fake account and pretend to be Jeff Freeman.

Scared me for a second, there. I knew I'd get a beating for backtracking to the link here. Still, I hoped there'd be a moment or two of polite conversation before you showed me your boots.

My wife's telling me I shouldn't post at all.

Having an inability to say much of anything about this forum's topic, I've found myself without any sort of idea what I thought I'd accomplish here.

So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...

Jeff, I know you have seen some things said, I do think it is brave of you to post here... so Kudos and in some ways it is nice to see this. Other SOE employees (or X) that have wandered here to see some of our rants or posts...have wanted to from what I understand but won't. I have had my share of nasty PMs from people about my rants and posts in relation to the NGE myself.

Most of us know, (while sure we would like a target) do not blame you for the NGE.. we do not blame you for the lies... We just wished someone had stood up more so to the Suits and spent more time thinking this out.

After much dialog and understanding more about this.. my research has brought me to the conclusion that it was by all means not just SOE that was to blame for all of this mess LEC had it's hand in it just as much.

Do not missunderstand, I am not letting you "Off the hook" that would be me folding (lol)... what the point is that - YES some of us know that you did not make this all yourself... any person that thinks that is a fool.

I just wished some of you guys had the nads to be like you were when you started and stood up and said..."Wait" or "Let's think this out some"... anything that may have changed this products life.

If this is really you then, you know the forum slams and the communication level that SWG now has with it's playerbase is flawed in many ways, besides being a joke with Chris at the helm of anything.

I just hope that as you said above... that some people learned somthing from this, treating people bad in business is one thing, but having to face the music at the end of the show and admiting a mistake is another.

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by Dundee

So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...

What? No one here ever takes things out of context!

Welcome to the forums by the way and as Han would have said:

"Good luck....you're gonna need it."

Rofl.. At this point, I know for a fact he has taken more abuse in ways we do not even count lol.

I think anyone with the "NGE" anywhere near them knows what it means, crap...it's one of those things you don't mention I would think at this point.

Dundee · December 2006

Thanks, iskareot. I appreciate the sentiment.

I can't comment on ... well, anything. Really just shouldn't have poked my head in here at all, but I thought to at least apologize for the insensitive blogpost. Or actually at most, too, 'cause that's all I can do.

Now I really do have to move on (figuratively, but also literally out of this forum before I get myself in trouble).

I wish you all the best of luck.

Shayde · December 2006

Wow.. I gotta give the man some props for having the stones to come here an post.

At most.

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee
Thanks, iskareot. I appreciate the sentiment.

I can't comment on ... well, anything. Really just shouldn't have poked my head in here at all, but I thought to at least apologize for the insensitive blogpost. Or actually at most, too, 'cause that's all I can do.

Now I really do have to move on (figuratively, but also literally out of this forum before I get myself in trouble).

I wish you all the best of luck.

Yes.. understood. Cya around the bloggers Im sure in some way or form.. lol.

I do think MMORPG is a great place for discussions, but not sure how the Dev / Customer stuff should be moderated not to mention the politics involved.

Again, at least you came out and talked to us here. One other wants to but won't due to it being a wreck I think.

Good luck to you too, crap we all need to eat and put food on the table for our family's.

Cheers..

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by Shayde
Wow.. I gotta give the man some props for having the stones to come here an post.

At most.

Yep -- as I said, see we could actually get more to come here... we almost have is about all I will say on that but the problem is that contracts and politics got involved.. it is funny how Devs can speak more freely here then on thier own boards but that is obvious as to why.

A conflict of intrest is 9 times out of ten the issue. If we can keep civil and this goes for me even, which at times I wonder if I can.. even.

Funny how this all works out at times though, I just wish we could have done this sooner dammit.

Vastar · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee
Originally posted by MMO_Man

Let's just hope it's not in the game industry.

BTW, I wish I had thought of making another fake account and pretend to be Jeff Freeman.

Scared me for a second, there. I knew I'd get a beating for backtracking to the link here. Still, I hoped there'd be a moment or two of polite conversation before you showed me your boots.

My wife's telling me I shouldn't post at all.

Having an inability to say much of anything about this forum's topic, I've found myself without any sort of idea what I thought I'd accomplish here.

So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...

Coming here to talk is about the only thing that could be a step in the right direction. At this point if you've bettered yourself from the experience at least that's something.

(On the other hand well, good for you I guess. We're still here.

)

kaibigan34 · December 2006

This sentence from why forums are also good if they are official is wrong.

"There they
can guide forum communities toward particular topics as well as
conclusions, promote specific agendas, reward agreeable members, banish
contrary opinions, control access, and all that jazz."

That is actually why official forums are bad. Because the yahoos they get moderating those things act like mall security guards who think they actually have power. You can post the most constructive critique about SWG and 9 times out of 10 the mods will find a way to delete it if not just delete without giving a reasonable reason why.

Reward agreeable members? That sounds alot like elitism. "Think how we think and you get a cookie."

Banish contrary opinions? Yah why should a game company want to know what the populace really thinks right?

Kai

Ransom73 · December 2006

Originally posted by Shayde
Wow.. I gotta give the man some props for having the stones to come here an post.

At most.

It takes courage to post in an anonymous forum?

lassiter · December 2006

He was willing to step into the sh umm firestorm that could have erupted, i can respect that.

BlazinBlades · December 2006

LMAO, I dont know what worst, the NGE or people role is playing other people for therapy LMAO. Bring it on down now.

lassiter · December 2006

actualy reading his other posts in these forums plus his blog site, consistent wrighting style and actually says something. unlike someone with a moronic tag line.

iskareot · December 2006

Originally posted by lassiter
actualy reading his other posts in these forums plus his blog site, consistent wrighting style and actually says something. unlike someone with a moronic tag line.

Bring that on down now.. plus as he said on his blog it was him... He actually posted on his there so people would know it was him here.

I don't blame him but like I said guys... he had the nads to post here and deal with us and say "sorry" in most respects as far as he could.

AGAIN, make no mistake as I clearly stated above.. I still hold him responsible BUT it was not just him... please do not ever think that Mr. Freeman invented the NGE and made those forum comments. Do not forget he is like us in the respect we express our feelings and views here and that it does piss people off... I should know.

None the less, he came here to express somthing and explain it.. Like other Devs or SOE mods posting here... they have some respect for posting here... trying to explain things now.. AT LEAST they do that.. , THAT is somthing you WILL NEVER EVER SEE on the SOE boards because they cannot do that there. They have to let the happy fairy land beleive what they need to. Politics and contracts, conflicts of intrests etc.. play a role in this beyond what we may ever know.

I do hope that some day we could get a discussion here with Mr. Smedley , Mr. Freeman and Mr. Koster... but it would have to be moderated and could answer so many questions that cannot be answered in a offical forum.

Sure the NGErs (present) may not like this, they may not like seeing this go so bad or end up like this but this is the way it is and predicted. Soon they will either figure out how bad this really is or they will still try to pretend nothing is wrong or went wrong. None the less, when you see people LEAVE THE BOAT one should notice it and pay attention while taking it for what it's worth.

It took over a year to get people to admit what this whole mess has done, from people getting fired, let go, asked to be let go, or quiting etc... If anything here thinks the "NGE" has done well for SOE or this group of people then you really need to get out more.

I think at this time we can at least know that it ruined alot of people and put some bad tastes in alot of peoples mouth.

No doubt this will be remembered in the programing and gaming industry... you can bet on it.

Morrigane · December 2006

Originally posted by Dundee
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Ransom Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE. http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/ Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next...

Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.

Originally posted by iskareot
Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it. Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do. So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise. I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it. You can count on it.

Nah, no conspiracy afoot there.

I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.

I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.

Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.

I'm impressed. This not the most welcoming of forums to post in for a guy with your history. I'm definitely impressed. 10 bonus points for even setting foot in here.

MMO_Man · December 2006

Look at you guys kissing his ass (if it really is him). You're all a bunch of tough guys behind their backs but as soon as one of them posts you have your noses buried in his ass.
I for one hope Jeff Freeman never works in the game industry again, I don't feel sorry for you nor do I accept your apology, like the rest of these brown nosers.

Hey Jeff go join up a rlmmo I'm sure those guys would stroke your epeen for ya.

lassiter · December 2006

While i dislike what happened to swg in the nge, it was a group of people who created this mess from soe and la and the few players screaming that caused it all.

And while i feel Freeman had his hands in it, i dont hold it against anyone doing a job, even if i personaly hate the outcome. I have never met Mr. Freeman so i cant hate or even dislike him, and i do think it took guts to step into this forum, where he had to have known he was a target for anyone with a grudge (raise your hand if you have a grudge!) thought so!)

Lateris · December 2006

****Little Jawa walks in......looks for parts to steal.......walks out.

Never try to become another game based on a forumula that works only for fantasy. Star Wars is its own culture and should never follow the wow formula. It should make its own formula. The NGE was a mistake. You gambled. You lost. No move on.

Life goes on. SWG should move on.

****Hops in sandcrawler and drives into the sunset******

severius · December 2006

Bravo Freeman for coming in here unlike some of your former co-workers. I certainly hope you and others have learned something from all of this. For over a year now SOE has been raked over the coals and still your former co-workers have refused to come to their senses. Good luck to ya.

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