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If you liked WoW, you will LOVE Vanguard
anarchyart
Member Posts: 5,378
Imagine WoW with more realistic graphics, Gryphons you can fly anywhere you want, Ships you can craft and Pilot yourself, Player Housing and NO INSTANCES! This is Vanguard! www.joinvanguard.com 
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I hated WoW and LOVE VSoH.
I would have titled it: "If you miss MMO's with Depth, you'll love Vanguard."
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
/sigh
The only way they will be able to do that with Vanguard is by having poor servers. SoE might be a lot of things but they have as much if not more experience in running servers than any MMORPG publisher in existance.
Dont tell them that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why on earth are you trying to attract the enormous amount of stupid people and small children to vanguard that read these forums? WoW is not very similar to vanguard at all. It lacks all sense of depth and challenge with very little content to speak of.
If you want an excellent game that will require and be worth a good deal of your time and supply a challenge, play vanguard.
If you've been spoiled by how easy WoW and EQ2 (lately) have made MMORPG's. wait for burning crusade.
Also, imagine a huge world that is mostly barren and only made large so that traveling between objectives and getting to your friends is more difficult.
Imagine a game that doesn't have mini-maps or radar so that finding where you are going and what to do is extremely inaccessible.
Imagine WoW except that if you play solo, your gear will be crap. You'll need to join groups to get gear that is good enough that you can eventually join in raiding.
There are some cool things in Vanguard to be sure, but don't kid yourself that it will appeal to the millions that loved WoW. There is a reason that most of these hardcore elements are not in popular games.
Also, imagine a huge world that is mostly barren and only made large so that traveling between objectives and getting to your friends is more difficult.
Imagine a game that doesn't have mini-maps or radar so that finding where you are going and what to do is extremely inaccessible.
Imagine WoW except that if you play solo, your gear will be crap. You'll need to join groups to get gear that is good enough that you can eventually join in raiding.
There are some cool things in Vanguard to be sure, but don't kid yourself that it will appeal to the millions that loved WoW. There is a reason that most of these hardcore elements are not in popular games.
Wow, what game are you talking about? Every single one of those points is wrong, sorry...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Imagine WoW except now you can be killed on the way back to your corpse, and the gear that you were wearing is trapped on it. Additionally, each time you die, you lose xp.
Bzzt, wrong. You only have to run to your corpse naked if you choose to.
Also, imagine a huge world that is mostly barren and only made large so that traveling between objectives and getting to your friends is more difficult.
Bzzt, wrong. The world is populated everywhere.
Imagine a game that doesn't have mini-maps or radar so that finding where you are going and what to do is extremely inaccessible.
Bzzt, wrong. There is a mini-map and other ways to find locations you have been to.
Imagine WoW except that if you play solo, your gear will be crap. You'll need to join groups to get gear that is good enough that you can eventually join in raiding.
Bzzt, wrong. You can get great gear soloing also. And if you remember, you needed to be in a group in WoW to get anything decent.
There are some cool things in Vanguard to be sure, but don't kid yourself that it will appeal to the millions that loved WoW. There is a reason that most of these hardcore elements are not in popular games.
You need to wait for release, or at least for the NDA to be lifted so that you can hear the real truth.
I would expect nothing less from a game that thrives off of risk vs. reward. If you're not willing to take the risk by all means stay away from that area which would be not to your benefit.
Also, imagine a huge world that is mostly barren and only made large so that traveling between objectives and getting to your friends is more difficult.
Again I would expect nothing less from a game that works to create an open environment. Barren, i don't think would be the correct, maybe unpopulated, but how can you blame a world that is that large. Nothing in Vanguard is going to be "barren". Concerning objectives, I would imagine there would be difficulties for harder or easier missions. Stop complaining about having to go out of your way a little to get something accomplished, this isn't WoW. Caravans, look into them.
Imagine a game that doesn't have mini-maps or radar so that finding where you are going and what to do is extremely inaccessible.
I didn't realize that, though its a shallow price to pay for all that Vanguard offers, and evens so it could make it a more compelling and realistic environment. Also, i'm sure there will be spells or some means of location for those who can come by it.
Imagine WoW except that if you play solo, your gear will be crap. You'll need to join groups to get gear that is good enough that you can eventually join in raiding.
Where the hell are getting this information, and tell me who is giving it to you.
There are some cool things in Vanguard to be sure, but don't kid yourself that it will appeal to the millions that loved WoW. There is a reason that most of these hardcore elements are not in popular games.
And there is a reason why hardcore elements ARE in popular games.
For graphics it remains to be seen, id rather have a playable game with high FPS then a system hog where your forced to turn everything down/off. Not everyone has 2gig and a cuting edge video card. Ive heard vanguard is chopy with a bleeding edge system. WoW BC will look great + run well even on lower end systems.
Flying mounts? Guild wars has giant sand wurms you can ride and lead into battle, it was /yawn after I dunno...an hour?. Things like this are fluff and can lose their appeal quickly.
Crafting ships.. Why use ship if you can fly? or will they somehow force waiting for boats on you even if you have a flying mount?
Player Housing, Never a fan of any housing myself. It adds nothing to gameplay.. Having a flashback of all the junky areas in SWG, lame instanced houses in EQ2 or the always craptastic/lagy/buged housing zone found in DAOC.
No INSTANCES! Well problems I see with no instancing are the return of servers ran by 1-2 guilds? Need a refresher on what thats like? see the Everquest classic servers currently ran and owned by two guilds. This type of gameplay tends to "shed" all the other players around them so that a few years later you left with a ghost-town server. That "uber" guild looks around, see's no one else is playing and they leave too.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
anarchyart - By replying to my post that points out your deception through omission with spiteful and dishonest (either directly or through omission - again) answers, you no longer deserve the courtesy of a complete response.
Twargamest - My responses are located within the text in green text.
Imagine WoW except now you can be killed on the way back to your corpse, and the gear that you were wearing is trapped on it. Additionally, each time you die, you lose xp.
I would expect nothing less from a game that thrives off of risk vs. reward. If you're not willing to take the risk by all means stay away from that area which would be not to your benefit.
The point I'm making is that many players do not equate risk vs. reward as fun. They would much rather play a game that was about challenge vs. reward. There are plenty of MMOs that do not use this old hardcore doctrine of making time-spent-playing the most powerful currency. While this may appeal to YOU, it will NOT appeal to the WoW crowd which was anarchyart's point of the post (to misdirect casual players to Vanguard). Which is really kind of silly. Casual players aren't stupid and if they hate this about the game, they will hate it and leave.
Also, imagine a huge world that is mostly barren and only made large so that traveling between objectives and getting to your friends is more difficult.
Again I would expect nothing less from a game that works to create an open environment. Barren, i don't think would be the correct, maybe unpopulated, but how can you blame a world that is that large. Nothing in Vanguard is going to be "barren". Concerning objectives, I would imagine there would be difficulties for harder or easier missions. Stop complaining about having to go out of your way a little to get something accomplished, this isn't WoW. Caravans, look into them.
Barren in content. It won't be the content rich world that players of WoW (again the intended audience of this post) are used to. Instead it will be areas of content separated by areas created for travel and/or grinding. Also, you feel that long travel times are okay. That's fine if you are hardcore, but the audience of this post won't be willing to waste their entertainment time watching a horse ride to the next place where they can actually play.
Imagine a game that doesn't have mini-maps or radar so that finding where you are going and what to do is extremely inaccessible.
I didn't realize that, though its a shallow price to pay for all that Vanguard offers, and evens so it could make it a more compelling and realistic environment. Also, i'm sure there will be spells or some means of location for those who can come by it.
I was actually incorrect here. I asked about this and found out that they ahve a map but it isn't as informative as the WoW maps.
Imagine WoW except that if you play solo, your gear will be crap. You'll need to join groups to get gear that is good enough that you can eventually join in raiding.
Where the hell are getting this information, and tell me who is giving it to you.
The Offifical FAQ. Look up the responses under soloing/grouping. McQuaid states that it will be difficult to move to grouping from soloing because the game is itemcentric and you won't be as powerful as people who group, and that you will need gear gained from goruping to move up to being able to gain raid gear.
There are some cool things in Vanguard to be sure, but don't kid yourself that it will appeal to the millions that loved WoW. There is a reason that most of these hardcore elements are not in popular games.
And there is a reason why hardcore elements ARE in popular games.
WoW is the most accessible game that successfully targets the mainstream target base and it is also the most successful game ever. It's cool that Vanguard will appeal to hardcore gamers, but anarchyart's post is addressed to people who liked WoW. This playerbase is so huge precisely because it is NOT hardcore. The vast majority of these players would be considered casual by hardcore gamers (even the ones who play a lot) because they are intolerant of timesinks.
My point is not to bash the game, but to point out the things in this game (that you like) but that players from WoW will not tolerate.
listen I tried WoW and HATED it now i've read a little on this... and it has me gnawing on it like a rabid dog.. i cant wait until january... and ships come before flying, mini-maps dont exist in the real world and neither do big fold out ones with you as an arrow. this game is focused on teamwork and positioning, if you cant handle those dont even try. now if you like a creative, massive environment where you need to lean on the shoulder of the guy next to you or collapse, then i definately reccommend this game now if a lower level group of a certain size can defeat a higher level group of the same size with tactics... well i find that nice and quite realistic as those who think before they act win. travel is difficult you need to utilize everything it doesnt matter what you think moving while you're logged off sounds real nice to me. if you hate it fine, if you love it great, just dont try it if it doesnt sound like your cup of tea.
Hey if you want to have:
Soloers: Chestplate of extreme suckiness AC20 +5wisdom (appears like n00b armor)
Group: Chestplate of lesser suckiness AC25 +8wisdom +10mana (appears like shiny n00b armor)
Raid: Chestplate of Superman AC50 +25wisdom +5mana regen bramblecoat for uba PLing (appears well GODLIKE)
All because your "teamwork" involves nolife losers that raid 6 times a week for 6-12 hours a night, and won't let anyone else join the guild, go for it! The people with LIVES outside a stupid game won't put up with this crappola anymore. Guess what, no income for your crappy game and it gets cancelled. WoW has 8 million+ players now, and you have nothing in any of your miniscule games to compete. These same guilds will sit on raid mobs forever and ever with their legion of mindless 15-21 year olds that at most flip burgers and other meaningless and menial employment just like the current crop of FoH and ROI members in EQ.
If you have any questions please ask. I have moved on to WoW from eq and no longer have any desire to play a dead game. Thank you. (posted by another selling his account in EQ1)
Whatever you do don't preorder Vanguard.
Wait a month or so after release and hear what people say about it or better yet, wait for a free trial.
It's a raid centric game that forces dependency on others even in crafting.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
Going back to the target audience again....which is players who liked WoW.
I agree with a prior poster in that people who are currently playing and loving WoW. Or players who loved WoW and left it because of End Game issues. Avoid Vanguard like the plaque. You won't like it based on it's competitive nature ( no instances, compete for mobs etc). Buy The Burning Crusade expansion. It's group and solo centric and adds a lot of fun back into the casual playstyle of the game. Ridable and directable flying mounts...check.
Now if your the type that desires more challenge and a huge world, etc as many of the Vanguard fans are saying then buy Vanguard.
Choice....it's a good thing.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Why do people keep making up facts about this game? Seriously, it makes those who start these claims look clueless after this much time.
THIS IS NOT A RAID CENTRIC GAME. Raiding is only 10%-20% of the end-game.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
The target audience is not the WoW players, Sigil has been VERY clear about that. If anything, it's EQ players. 80%-90% of end-game content IS Solo & Group Centric, and it's more content then most will ever have time to participate in. As far as flying mounts, there are 5 at launch, and you control where they fly.
Choice is a good thing, but mis-information is not...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I read every post on this thread.
I like Vanguard SoH but this game can not in any way compete with the pvp in WoW and WoW is a pvp game. I don't see how liking WoW would make you love Vanguard.
Also, someone posted on this thread about looking forward to next month. Far as I know, Vanguard isn't going to be released in January. I do think it will be released by the end of March. And, its possible that it doesn't get released until the end of June.
WoW just had a huge change this week; there's a completely new makeup of classes based on new talents now. No, I haven't tried it cause I'm playing EQ2 on a pvp server, this month(still a buggy game with twinked players knowing how to get around the level limit on killing low level players but very good crafting). In January, WoW will be releasing their first expansion which should be very interesting.
If Vanguard is anything like EQ1 or EQ2, they'll charge you to buy the game, require a high end computer, charge you a monthly fee, charge you for each of a bunch of tiny benefits, and charge you for multiple expansions each year. I'm not sure I like that.
Lastly, seems like from what I've heard, there's some good things about WoW that are immediately shot down in the beta because of EQ1 fanbois. Also, Eve Online is boring to me, space is just to vast and lonely, in my opinion; however, they have some really complex and fun things about it that I don't think anyone has tried to bring over to Vanguard. Unfortunate.
Anyways, I really don't think WoW lovers will care for the carebear land of EQ3.
P.S. I think the way to keep boats a viable option is to make flying mounts tired when flying over water.
The target audience is not the WoW players, Sigil has been VERY clear about that. If anything, it's EQ players. 80%-90% of end-game content IS Solo & Group Centric, and it's more content then most will ever have time to participate in. As far as flying mounts, there are 5 at launch, and you control where they fly.
Choice is a good thing, but mis-information is not...
Let me clarify the point of my post a bit MX13. The target audience I was referring to is the Target audience of this particular post. That being WoW players. This thread is titled "If you liked WoW you will LOVE Vanguard".
Hope that clears up my post a bit.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.