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How good is EVE Online ?
CyniQ
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in EVE Online
If there is any long time player that knows every details abotu this game.
Try to sell it to me, i mean, What makes EVE so special, what makes it attracts so many people ?
What is original and different about this game ?
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If you play the 14day free trial, you will see just how different and original the game is. It's nothing like any other MMO out.
Three main things attract people to EVE:
1) PVP - Greatest PVP in MMOs out right now. Wars require actual thought, battles require planning, logistics play a huge role. PVP it's self is very strategic on ship choice and layout. A realitive newbie can wtfpwn a player of 3yrs if he's smart.
2) Industry - EVE is by the best game ever created for Industry. It's economy is completely player ran and a smart business man can be quite successful in EVE.
3) Sandbox - You're not bound by your Orc Shaman to use skill X and skill Y, which means you can only wear Armor A and weild weapon B. In EVE, what you want to do is totally up to you. So, you start out as a Industry char but think PVP is better? Train for PVP, no need to reroll.
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1. Allaince wars- huge groups of corps fighting for control of entire regions of space with fleets of ships and a titan from time to time(do not fux with these lol).
2. Sandbox- while he talked about characters i'm talking about the world. eve is your sandbox and instead of trucks you are given ships, instead of sand castles you are given stations and moon bases. it's free form you can go and do whatever you want and your actions affect the rest of the world since everything is player driven.
Example:
I'm a pirate and run with a few m8s to mess up peoples day and take their stuff. when i'm low on cash i produce and sell weapons ammo and drones in the .0 where i live. i turn good money doing this because most traders are to afriad of i live. this is just the way i live in eve. it's alive. it's a real world. and it's waiting for you
3. Darwins laws apply- nice to be somewhere that doesn't spoon feed you. the basics are easy to get down but at the same time it's a very complex game. if you aren't fit you wont survive long.
4. community- mega corps become well known and respected. pirates become infamous and living legends rub shoulders(or missles) with you day to day.
5. it's pretty- space never looked so good and when some of the larger things blew up for the first time i was in awe.
It's so alive. it's like nothing i've played before and it will eat your face if you don't get it
"What is original and different about this game ?"
It's a living thing and it's elf free
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Be aware that in a few moments some nubsauce that never figured out what an afterburner was or that insisted on fitting a single medium gun on his frigate ship will be by to flame us. heed him if you must but know you are missing out on a universe of fun.
When I play EVE I feel like I'm part of the story.... not just passing through the story.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
you can go trading cut a rock in half haul it back for some cool hard well earned ISK (currency).
if you feel the need to go on for a story, eve has a story line, you can play for as long as you want, the univese doesnt stop moving, generally helpful people around, and high level player insults(check other threads). that pretty much sums it up for my end. but its upto you if you want to play it, the monthly fee is low.
EVE is as good as "you" want to make it, which is its beauty.
sandbox where you craft your own story and make what you want of it,
there is no line or way to follow, you make your own. Unlike every
other MMORPGs, there is nearly no restriction in your actions, if you
want to shoot someone you can do it but you'll have to pay the
consequences just like IRL.
The community in EVE is by far the best I saw in an MMO, everybody's
helpful for new players, you wont have any problem finding some friends
or a good corporation
To me eve is that good that i play it since very early beta and i don't regret a single minute i invested.
At first glance Eve is deep and extremely complex.
When you get right down to it tho, it's basically a juvenile grieferville.
Can't even do a mission without other players bothering you.
The answer is always "wardec em" but people are actually doing missions to make money, if they had money to go wardec and run around losing ships, they wouldn't be doing missions.
Basically in one fell swoop CCP has gutted the PVE side of Eve, and only left the PVP side.
Myself personally, I've always been the type that like to do EVERYTHING in the game, just not all at the same time.
When I want to mine, I just want to mine and relax, not deal with little kids.
When I want to PVP, I want to just focus on killing, not deal with resource management and where do I get my next ship from.
WHen I want to PVE, I just want to PVE and not have to deal with shmucks trying to bother me.
Basically I like everything neatly compartmentalized, so I can pick and choose what I want to do on any given night.
In Eve you cannot do that.
In Eve if you want to mine, you will be FORCED to fight.
If you want to fight, basically that just means you sit at a gate all day *yawn*
If you want to PVE again you are forced to fight.
PVP only exists to wave your e-peen at other people, it's not a test of skill, basically your ship fights on auto, and you only press a few buttons.
It's not like WoW where if you are really fast you can wtfpwn someone.
In Eve no matter how fast you are, BC always > cruiser.
I mean people make excuses like "Eve is a PVP game."
Well it's not really a PVP game because theres no RL skills involved.
BF2 is a PVP game, Eve is a time investment game, the more time you play the bigger your e-peen gets.
Aaaaanyway.
The first few months in Eve is exciting.
After a while you begin to see a pattern.
PVP = Either griefing (stealing ore, stealing cans, etc) or camping gates/stations.
What it all boils down to is that Eve is about as much fun as watching paint dry.
Anyone ever notice that if someone downs EVE 9 times out of 10 they use poor English and write very short, uninformative posts?
I wonder why.
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But as far as your question is concerned, here is why I love EVE:
1. Very few kids. The vast majority of players are in their 20s or higher. It is fairly uncommon to come across kids playing this game, and the ones you do are NOT the "barrens chat" type. I have never once seen anything like "u r weird!!!11!!! u roxXorZ mi BoXXorZ!!11!!11!" in EVE
2. Totally open ended. You make money how you want to make money. Mine, build, pirate, trade, ship, become a mercenary, bounty hunt, run missions... the list goes on.
3. Offline skill progression. This is the perfect game for someone who has a sporadic play schedule. If you know you're going to be off the game for a week, that's fine, queue up a 10 day skill, come back a week later, and you're almost finished!
4. Endless progression. You will never, EVER, max out a character in EVE. I'd be amazed if you even ever maxed out a ship. There is just WAY too much to learn.
5. Player run political system. Declare war, form alliances, be a ruthless CEO or a kind humanitarian. The choices are all yours. And the choices you make will determine if those around you want to help you become stronger, or if they want to see you dead. You can't do it alone.
6. Extremely technical system of tweaking and balancing. It is rare to see two ships loaded out in just the same way, and even then, if the pilots have different skills or different tactics, they will be radically different in ability.
7. Even the noobs can help. In a fleet, even the lowly starter ship can contribute. Drop a warp disruptor and a webifier on an enemy ship with your little frigate, and all of a sudden the big boys are having a much easier time and you're a hero. It doesn't take a top tier player to be able to enjoy the game.
8. IMO the best supported MMO in the industry. The developers, CCP, actually seem to care about EVE. And it shows. They are punctual and helpful if there's a problem, they inform the community about everything they are planning and working on, and they don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes as far as play numbers and technical problems. Honesty and integrity are what you can expect from this company.
The only real advise I would give to a new player other than to really play through the tutorial carefully, is to try to find a corporation that you really like to be in. Research the corps that interest you, don't be affraid to look around, and find one that does what you really want to do. ie: don't join an industrial corp if you are interested in PvP, that's what pirate and merc corps are for.
And don't be overwhelmed by the game when you start playing it. It will seem like a lot, but it won't take long for it all to seem simple and intuitive. It's not an easy game to play, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be blasting around the stars like it's second nature.
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I loved Diablo 2 and it's still the game i had the most fun in, many people hate it and say it's not good, but in reality the game is as good as you allow it to be.
The only games I think can be considered good are games which are not broken and almost unplayable, the rest is up to the person. I played lineage 2, it's not a bad game but it's not what is best for me. Same with WoW.
I'm on to EVE right now and it certainly isn't for everyone, it may not be for me, I am not really addicted to the game and at times it is downright boring. I'm only in my 15th day, but I do like it but I'm worried, I'll get bored with it in reality as it is very slow moving and I guess I like reflexes and fast moving.
Like right now, Im' playing EVE but i'm able to post while I play
So to answer your quesiton, think of what you like in video games and thus determine if it is good for you or not.
What's good for me is this:
1. amazing customizability
2. Open PvP
3. Complex and intellectually stimulatling
4. Skills train outside the game so no desire to be there 24/7, omg I can't believe i actually played Lineage 2 for 6 months. Polar opposites.
Basically, I don't feel the need to really play this game 24/7 so I can focus on doing other things and I still progress with everyone else.
I just wish EVE was in another genre that's all as I'm not a fan of this one, but oh well.
You can give it a try, it is not for everyone.
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First CyniQ Im not the departent on ccp who advertise EvE so I
aint going to have a sell promotion text/talk with you
I played EvE from the first Beta and I still play the game, that gotta say something.
O well EvE isnt the game for every one but you can say that about wow also or other
mmorpgs out on the market.
First of in EvE its the players who run the game not the game
I would of course say EvE demand more brainpower from the player.
O too kill a myth about EvE as some people are trying to enforce
both here and in eve that it's a pure PvP game.
That utterly wrong EvE is bigger and ccp is buildning more content
for different players, EvE isnt just a shoot him up game as some
players in eve is trying to enforce to others.
I normaly just hit ignore when I hear people talking that way.
I cant beat a moron on his own backyard. + they havent grasped
the whole aspect of EvE Online.
O tip just try the trail
Guides & Trials for EvE Online:
There you go I've fixed your post for you
To the OP... Eve is as good as YOU making it.
Its unlike many other games, in as much as you decide what you want to do.
If you wish to mine... go mine, Make Isk, via running traqde routes then .. do it, if you wish to run missions then do so (but bear in mind that Eve is prominatly a PvP game so the PvE is kinda limited.)
But the thing is that its not a game for everyone, it can be slow paced at times, and others it can be very exciting. Most people don't like the lack of XP and levels which reward those who can spend 23 hours a day to grind their way up to the max level. Also it doesn't fall into the area of "I'm level 260 therefore i can pwn everyone below me me." Someone who have been playing2 weeks can beat someone who has been playing 2 years.
The best way is to make your own mind up, and streer clear of trolls like fizzle322 who claim they know so much about eve, when in fact they know very little and like to flame eve and its players on a regular basis.
OK, here is my take (been playing 1 year now, and turned on yearly subscription!):
Anyone ever notice that if someone downs EVE 9 times out of 10 they use poor English and write very short, uninformative posts?
I wonder why.
Cookie to make you feel better?
After all if you didn't care, why respond?
Why go through al the effort to post.. Well we all really know that you do care, this is why you have to come back time and time again to troll and cry about how much you hate eve.
Now run along you little scamp, I belive there are three goats by the name of gruff looking for you.
Well here's the thing.
In Eve they tout something called "Freedom" or "do what you want to do."
In reality there is no freedom.
There are not multiple playstyles in Eve, there is only one playstyle, PVP.
If that's the only thing you want, Eve is ok. Not great but ok. Because there is no skill involved in PVP, it's all a function of either skillpoints, or how many people are in your gang.
See in BF2 even a noob can shoot you in the face if he is good enough.
There is alot good to say about Eve, but everything good I can say about it has a crappy side.
Time based skills. On the one hand good, on the other hand in you time to play on a Saturday, you can't do anything to advance your character.
Only PVP-centric game. On the one hand good, it's refreshing. On the other hand, PVP makes it so your time is always controlled by other players. You cannot do what YOU want to do, you are limited by what other players LET you do.
Deep. Yes very deep. On the other hand most of the time it's boring. Out of a 3 hour play session, you will get excited for maybe 5 minutes. The other 2:55 is sheer boredom, and waiting for something to happen.
The only thing my detractors can say is that I'm a carebear.
Well yes and no.
I don't play MMORPG's to shoot people, playing an mmorpg to shoot people is like playing Grand Theft Auto for resource management.
BF2 is a much better game for shooting people, because it is skill based.
If you are going to brag about pwning somebody, you should do it yourself, not oh you have 6 million sp in gunnery and you pressed F1 so I'm dead.
If you are going to brag and call yourself all hard and wave your e-peen, you should kill someone with your own skills, not your character's skillpoints.
Eve PVP is not about skill. It's %50 skillpoints, %40 fittings, %10 luck.
So call me a carebear all you like, what do I care?
We both know that when you login to Eve tonight, you are going to be bored shitless like always. You know Eve is boring, you cannot deny it with a straight face.
All you can do is call me a carebear, and honestly if you think you are such a hardass e-thug you should come to BF2 and shut me up.
So enjoy your 6 million skillpoints in gunnery, because Eve is the only place where you are a big shot.
As far as the vaunted "maturity" level of Eve players, you can just read this thread for a preview of maturity, namecalling, personal attacks, etc.
fizzle322 wrote "There are not multiple playstyles in Eve, there is only one playstyle, PVP."
You can be a Miner, a Mission Runner, a Builder, a Scientist, a CEO, a Spy, a Salvager, a Scouter... Those just include non-PVP involving careers. Also its important to remember there are different types of PVP careers, you could be a Pirate, Anti-Pirate, a Merc or a Fleet fighter. Fleet side it just gets bigger Tacklers, Snipers, Gunners, Jammers, Spys, Commanders... the list goes on and on...
EDIT: just remembered some more non-pvp careers; a Hauler, a POS manager, a Trader, a Courier, a Diplomat, and that doesnt even include what you could do as a Roleplayer in this game.
fizzle322 wrote "Because there is no skill involved in PVP, it's all a function of either skillpoints, or how many people are in your gang.
See in BF2 even a noob can shoot you in the face if he is good enough."
People seem to have the idea that "bigger is better", the way EVE is designed you couldnt be more wrong. A couple of well organized destroyers with less then 1m sp can take out a battleship being controlled by player with 3yr's worth of SP. There is no "I win" button in EVE either. You cant win every fight becuase its impossible to have your ship setup to be prepared for every fight. To say PvP in EVE is all about SP, shows you know very little about this game.
fizzle322 wrote "Only PVP-centric game."
There are a wide range of non-PVP related careers noted above.
fizzle322 wrote "Deep. Yes very deep. On the other hand most of the time it's boring. Out of a 3 hour play session, you will get excited for maybe 5 minutes. The other 2:55 is sheer boredom, and waiting for something to happen."
Off all the points in the post, this is probably the only one I can agree with. EVE is slow, PVP is hours of waiting with a few moments of excitement. If your looking for the quick adrenaline shot, EVE is not for you.
fizzle322 wrote "Eve PVP is not about skill. It's %50 skillpoints, %40 fittings, %10 luck."
PVP is in EVE is %50 knowledge, %40 skill, 10% luck.
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and yes bf2 is skill based i learned how to shoot a american sniper rifle properly even though ive played the game for 1 year or so and i learned that just a few weeks ago. we all learn and dont need to be insult because we arent you.
you are a carebear and i dont care if you are or not, hardasses dont go around say "come on tough guy", they say "back off" before hand and then you continue he/she will beat you up. and you obviously arent capable of writing sentences without you trying to have a go at someone. anyway i dont stoop to a low level about dares or some stupid childs prank like that.
Fizzle has obviously had some bad experiences. Everyone has different experiences. I'll tell you that I run missions all the time with no one interupting me and thus no PVP. I used to mine often without being attacked as well because I was smart about it. When it comes to PVP, bigger does not mean better and pvp isn't about who has more skill points. I've seen 2 Assault frigates kill a megathron. I've seen 8 noobs in T1 frigates absolutely destroy a 2 year old player in a Battleship. I've personally pvp'd in a group of 5 frigates vs 2 frigates, 2 destroyers, and a Battleship and won. I go out solo and kill people in interceptors all the time with just a T1 frigate, and THEY are the ones that attack me
If advancing your character is all you want to do then EVE is not for you because its not about advancing your character.Try out World of Warcraft if all you want to do is level a few characters to lvl 60 in a few months. In EVE, having more skills gives you more options of what you can do, but its not about spending your time advancing your character, its about spending your time increasing your assets, increasing your own knowledge, skill, and experience, and interacting and accomplishing goals with other players.
EVE is what you make of it. If you expect to be entertained then EVE is not the right game for you. If you are willing to find entertainment in EVE, then you're on the right track. If what you're doing is boring, look for something else to do but don't expect everything to come to you and don't stereotype the entire game as being boring from one experience or one aspect of gameplay.
See fizzle, your problem is...
"The other 2:55 is sheer boredom, and waiting for something to happen."
...you were waiting for something to happen. You wanted everything to come to you. You expect things to change on their own. That won't happen often. If you want something to change, go out and make it change instead of sitting there doing nothing about it. =P
I've been playing EVE approaching one year now. Sometimes there have been lulls, but my EVE experience has always been riviting. Otherwise, I wouldn't be paying $45 a month for nearly a year to be bored. Just because you're not having fun doesn't mean others aren't. Almost every night when I log on and want to go pvping, I go out, get some good fights and my heart racing with adrenaline. What I don't do is sit somewhere waiting for someone to come attack me.
I used to play BF2 for 6 months and it was fun. But the pvp in BF2 is only a shallow quick fix to me. PVP in EVE is much more exciting, much more rewarding, much more satisfying to me than PVP in any shooter or flight sim game I've played.
I'm not saying that EVE > BF2. To me, EVE is more fun than BF2 but I still enjoy flying around in an attack copter on BF2, and many other things. The two play styles are different. I enjoy both but find myself having spent more time PVPing in EVE than PVPing in BF2.
Its been proven time and time again that pvp is not about skillpoints but rather about skill. More skillpoints makes you more flexible, but it doesn't substitute for tactics and experience. Your arguement that it is always about skillpoints needs but one counter example to prove it false. I've given several which are my experiences alone.
If you expect everything to come to you like BF2, then play BF2 because EVE won't get better for you on its own if you expect everything to happen for you without doing anything about it.
Heh. Tell you what fizzle, as you're so sure there's no skill to pvp in eve i'll make a brand spanking new character, train up to cruisers and rip you to pieces in a 1v1 against your normal character. Sound fair?
I must say, I did recently start playing EVE (15 days old), but goddamn EVE fanbois are pretty fanatic about their game.
I wonder what thread will get the most posts ever. All it has to do is include EVE online + religion + politics and you're golden for at least 500 posts. 250 by just mentioning EVE and fanbois and 125 each for religion and politics.
Cryomatrix
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