There is something fun on all this. When we were subscribers and complained about the NGE on the official forums, the fanboys told us if we didn't like we should leave, we would not be missed. And so we did. And now there is all this hate about WOW, because the majority of the playerbase, the so called vocal minority left, so did many that went after their friends to the leading market game, and the fanboys are left with a very limited number to play with. So what are they complaining about? We left, they have all the servers for them, use them well, and have tons of fun. It's not a massive experience anymore, but hey, it's still on Star Wars. Ok, so the idea was to try and draw more subscribers by making something a little, very little, and very bugged little, like what WOW is, shame it didn't work. Why flame WOW when the developers are trying to make it like WOW then?
Anyway, i seldom take a peek of what is going on here now, got better stuff to do and lost hope that a classic server will ever hapen, and yes, this game forum is repetitive.
I've never seen wildcat troll the forums. Hes been a productive poster, albeit we all go on our rants occasionaly.
Secondly, to the op. WTH are you talking about with blizzard advancing the genre?? Yes, i DO play WoW as a lack of anything else to play is out there and my friends play it, but god knows i;d jump ship so fast if you found me something worth the while. Also, they really arent advancing the genre as when the BC expansion comes out for WoW they are making the game even simpler. As is they are making it so easy they removed mods that would play the game for you... i suppose it will only take 1-2 braincells to play afterwards. Yes i do play WoW, yes i think the community shares a total of 5 braincells and yes i think its a "carebear". The only thing i can say postive about WoW is that the mods actually take care of there shit and they dont make empty promises and false claims.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Originally posted by Kehn This thread is typical of the current on-topic Veteran Refuge threads. I think it calls for a Troll Poll. Its not possible to list everyone, so Ill just list the most active posters in this thread, those that posted more than once. To be fair, Im including myself for this troll scented post. Im sure Pirrg would have been in on this list but considering he hasnt been around, he gets a pass. Who among them would you consider the most trollish? The winner shall receive a virtual bridge to live under.
I'm more of a flamer than a troll, I don't start many topics I just come in later and flame them.
Originally posted by ViarrgosMom Dear ViarrgosMom,
You have been issued a warning by one of our moderators.
It appears to be for that post in which you made what was supposed to look like quote from MMORPG.com. Not the best idea however I doubt anyone would have thought it was real. I think someone didn't read the rest of the thread to notice I had quoted it and made a reply.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace. ----------------------------------------- ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
I agree with you there, but lets also not forget about the other over 700,000 players that quite this game before the NGE that wanted the game they were promised by Raph Koster. That is about over 700,000 more subscriptions then there is in both the Pre-CU the CU and the NGE combined together. It sure would be nice to actually have someone who knows what they are doing rather then the SOE devs responsible for SWG and the BS Raph Koster likes to live in. But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you. I want the game that was promised made and given to us, not the Pre-CU, not the CU, and not the NGE, I want the game that was promised and never was given. I equate the Pre-CU system, CU and the NGE to three plights of dog shit, mmmmmm this plight of dog shit tastes a little sweeter then that other plight of dog shit, and yet they all still taste like shit. Maybe better luck with SWG2 can only hope. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by BlazinBlades Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
I agree with you there, but lets also not forget about the other over 700,000 players that quite this game before the NGE that wanted the game they were promised by Raph Koster. That is about over 700,000 more subscriptions then there is in both the Pre-CU the CU and the NGE combined together. It sure would be nice to actually have someone who knows what they are doing rather then the SOE devs responsible for SWG and the BS Raph Koster likes to live in. But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you. I want the game that was promised made and given to us, not the Pre-CU, not the CU, and not the NGE, I want the game that was promised and never was given. I equate the Pre-CU system, CU and the NGE to three plights of dog shit, mmmmmm this plight of dog shit tastes a little sweeter then that other plight of dog shit, and yet they all still taste like shit. Maybe better luck with SWG2 can only hope. Bring it on down now.
Now what you are using is known as the false cause fallacy, regardless of your numbers. Please demonstrate that it was the GAME that caused people to leave, and NOT Smedley's mismanagement of that game. Correlation does not equal causation. All you are doing is restating Smedley's case, which he never proved anywhere.
Originally posted by BlazinBlades Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
No one, at least in this thread, has commented about the recent "activity" from SOE/SONY. While a year or more ago, it wasnt normal for them to "give/supply" software in events here. I suppose I could be mistaken though. I only joined this site after the NGE hit, though I did read the forums from time to time before then.
Advertising is UP, from SONY, yeah!! good job MMORPG. Lets have a "non tech" review of a hardware solution to lag next. Great, got that covered too I see. Lets split a forum, to seperate those pro and con of SWG. Ok... why? Lets moderate one forum a little differently than the other, just because we can... Any excuse is better than none, right?
I have very rarely posted, in almost a year I have around 20 ( at this time) to those that count posts...
Reminds me of the old adage, about speaking, and removing all doubt.
Yes, I'm talking about YOU!
Probably refering to an MMOBLAZINGMANBLADE clone or something.
Originally posted by Squab No one, at least in this thread, has commented about the recent "activity" from SOE/SONY. While a year or more ago, it wasnt normal for them to "give/supply" software in events here. I suppose I could be mistaken though. I only joined this site after the NGE hit, though I did read the forums from time to time before then. Advertising is UP, from SONY, yeah!! good job MMORPG. Lets have a "non tech" review of a hardware solution to lag next. Great, got that covered too I see. Lets split a forum, to seperate those pro and con of SWG. Ok... why? Lets moderate one forum a little differently than the other, just because we can... Any excuse is better than none, right? I have very rarely posted, in almost a year I have around 20 ( at this time) to those that count posts... Reminds me of the old adage, about speaking, and removing all doubt. Yes, I'm talking about YOU! Probably refering to an MMOBLAZINGMANBLADE clone or something.
I was with you until you got to where I highlighted it, and then you lost me. I have no idea what you're ranting about there.
Sorry MMO man, didn't think it was that hard. Ranting against those,that are PO'd against a company, on a forum that was split.. to segregate them to that aformentioned area. As in "SWG vet refuge/NGE hater forum or whatever. You have posted, that some that have minimal post counts, don't count.. as you have posted more often. My point was... the adage, about a fool speaking, or remaining silent. Speaking more often, does not make you more inteligent than one who does not. Speaking more often, meerly lets others judge you by your words. While I may not speak or type as well as some, I'd rather be thought the fool, than remove the doubt. I have no doubt about you. Does that clear it up?
A person can always be considered a fool or non intelligent anytime they do not agree with the masses. It does not mean they are non intelligent nor a fool it only means that others do not wish to agree nor do they wish to look outside of the box that they have allowed themselves to be easily convinced into. Most times anyone who does in fact disagree with others they usually are always considered a fool or non intelligent, simple because it allows the others to feel slightly superior in their own ideologies, but in reality it only brings added weight to the points made by the ones they consider a fool. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
People left this game because of the poorly designed game play, they left this game because of the lack of support in the game by the Development team, and they left this game because of the enormous amount of broken systems with in systems that made the game basically unplayable. If you need proof then you have not played this game since day one as such I understand why you would not understand. If you are able to you can read through the threads for the past 3 years, and maybe even visit some of the Anti-SWG websites that have been around for over 3 years. However if you have played this game since day one then you already know the answer to your own question and you are just wasting my time with nonsense. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by BlazinBlades A person can always be considered a fool or non intelligent anytime they do not agree with the masses. It does not mean they are non intelligent nor a fool it only means that others do not wish to agree nor do they wish to look outside of the box that they have allowed themselves to be easily convinced into. Most times anyone who does in fact disagree with others they usually are always considered a fool or non intelligent, simple because it allows the others to feel slightly superior in their own ideologies, but in reality it only brings added weight to the points made by the ones they consider a fool. Bring it on down now.
But see the real kicker here is that you have to use common sense and then make a "rule" as a means to measure success and profit on a product.
Also let's face it, if you base success and greatness on reviews, profit and consumer purchases you have a pretty solid foundation or concept of a basis of what is "success".
Now then based on this common formula in business 101 -- SWG is a failure and for those that do not see it, sorry this is just common knowledge.
Now then, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING SMART.. this is just the plain fucking truth of the matter.
Bottom line, if this game was getting people to sub hand over fist vs. losing them and being over a year with a product change that caused them to be known as the biggest MMO product train wreck ever then we would not be here or have anyone attempting to defend it.
Just use common sense and you have your answer -- it is almost that simple:
(Let's say) 350k subs -- and with changes instead of getting bigger and better YOU LOSE subs down to maybe 20k as I predict right now then YOU HAVE DONE SOMTHING WRONG!
You can hate WoW all you want, you can bash them be mad, but guess what ---?? Yep, they are smoking it up gaining people having YET AGAIN THIS WEEK to add 5 more servers in the states and 5 in Europe. Sorry, but when you have like freaking 300 servers world wide and 7.5 mill players that have subed, you are doing somthing right. No matter what we say, based on business alone they won.
Hard to argue success, no matter how much you don't like it. But it's easy to argue failure when it is visable and hitsyou in the face.
For any NGE that never saw what the game was like, they have no clue... you can't blame them because they just can't know the truth. SOE can spout anything to them and they can be "ignorant" of the past (word used as it is meant) By all means if they never saw 1000 people in Coronet, they cannot know how much fun it was etc..
So I guess in the end, you have to know the past and all the information somewhat to know enough about this, but if you just use some common sense the average JOE can figure this one out.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Myself would not ever say the game DID NOT have issues... BUT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW -- or better yet, what you had the promise of the chance of having back then it was much better.
See the chance to do what they wanted has came and went. I know this, sure it had issues but the chance and system was there to make good on.
We had more potential with EVEN THAT BROKEN SYSTEM then what you have now, not only that you had people that trusted you and believed in you with support.
Now you have nothing and a joke of a system.
So yes, it had problems. But see, you had a chance and population to work with and FOR... vs now.
Now you have a series of bullshit lies, missleadings, let downs, loss of product and the worst reviews ever.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
I said there were changes in the game, the combat was changed, the professions reworked and some dropped, and a leveling system put in. Those were the major changes in this game, but the rest of the game stayed the same, the quests, the content, and setting all of it is still the same game. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Myself would not ever say the game DID NOT have issues... BUT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW -- or better yet, what you had the promise of the chance of having back then it was much better.
See the chance to do what they wanted has came and went. I know this, sure it had issues but the chance and system was there to make good on.
We had more potential with EVEN THAT BROKEN SYSTEM then what you have now, not only that you had people that trusted you and believed in you with support.
Now you have nothing and a joke of a system.
So yes, it had problems. But see, you had a chance and population to work with and FOR... vs now.
Now you have a series of
I agree with you, but you are talking about things that should have been done before the game was even released, not over the course of 3 years. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Originally posted by Wildcat84 I don't hate this website.
I just hate the NGE.
I want my game back.
Me and 200,000 other people. Which is about 180,000 more subs than NGE has right now.
I don't want to take the NGE fans game away. Leave their servers alone. Just give us ours back.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
I said there were changes in the game, the combat was changed, the professions reworked and some dropped, and a leveling system put in. Those were the major changes in this game, but the rest of the game stayed the same, the quests, the content, and setting all of it is still the same game. Bring it on down now.
Lol from sounds, animations and even more... Great so you just described 75% of the game has changed.
You forget that the CORE of the game was changed, from combat to the way you level, those count for more then (just some) of the game man.
They uprooted the entire core of the game.. that alone is a 50% change to the game... the rest is fodder and glitz even.
I mean really... that was thin, even for you.
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There is something fun on all this. When we were subscribers and complained about the NGE on the official forums, the fanboys told us if we didn't like we should leave, we would not be missed. And so we did. And now there is all this hate about WOW, because the majority of the playerbase, the so called vocal minority left, so did many that went after their friends to the leading market game, and the fanboys are left with a very limited number to play with. So what are they complaining about? We left, they have all the servers for them, use them well, and have tons of fun. It's not a massive experience anymore, but hey, it's still on Star Wars. Ok, so the idea was to try and draw more subscribers by making something a little, very little, and very bugged little, like what WOW is, shame it didn't work. Why flame WOW when the developers are trying to make it like WOW then?
Anyway, i seldom take a peek of what is going on here now, got better stuff to do and lost hope that a classic server will ever hapen, and yes, this game forum is repetitive.
Farewell friends and enemies.
I've never seen wildcat troll the forums. Hes been a productive poster, albeit we all go on our rants occasionaly.
Secondly, to the op. WTH are you talking about with blizzard advancing the genre?? Yes, i DO play WoW as a lack of anything else to play is out there and my friends play it, but god knows i;d jump ship so fast if you found me something worth the while. Also, they really arent advancing the genre as when the BC expansion comes out for WoW they are making the game even simpler. As is they are making it so easy they removed mods that would play the game for you... i suppose it will only take 1-2 braincells to play afterwards. Yes i do play WoW, yes i think the community shares a total of 5 braincells and yes i think its a "carebear". The only thing i can say postive about WoW is that the mods actually take care of there shit and they dont make empty promises and false claims.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Bonez
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
I agree with you there, but lets also not forget about the other over 700,000 players that quite this game before the NGE that wanted the game they were promised by Raph Koster. That is about over 700,000 more subscriptions then there is in both the Pre-CU the CU and the NGE combined together. It sure would be nice to actually have someone who knows what they are doing rather then the SOE devs responsible for SWG and the BS Raph Koster likes to live in. But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you. I want the game that was promised made and given to us, not the Pre-CU, not the CU, and not the NGE, I want the game that was promised and never was given. I equate the Pre-CU system, CU and the NGE to three plights of dog shit, mmmmmm this plight of dog shit tastes a little sweeter then that other plight of dog shit, and yet they all still taste like shit. Maybe better luck with SWG2 can only hope. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
I agree with you there, but lets also not forget about the other over 700,000 players that quite this game before the NGE that wanted the game they were promised by Raph Koster. That is about over 700,000 more subscriptions then there is in both the Pre-CU the CU and the NGE combined together. It sure would be nice to actually have someone who knows what they are doing rather then the SOE devs responsible for SWG and the BS Raph Koster likes to live in. But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you. I want the game that was promised made and given to us, not the Pre-CU, not the CU, and not the NGE, I want the game that was promised and never was given. I equate the Pre-CU system, CU and the NGE to three plights of dog shit, mmmmmm this plight of dog shit tastes a little sweeter then that other plight of dog shit, and yet they all still taste like shit. Maybe better luck with SWG2 can only hope. Bring it on down now.
Now what you are using is known as the false cause fallacy, regardless of your numbers. Please demonstrate that it was the GAME that caused people to leave, and NOT Smedley's mismanagement of that game. Correlation does not equal causation. All you are doing is restating Smedley's case, which he never proved anywhere.
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But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
No one, at least in this thread, has commented about the recent "activity" from SOE/SONY. While a year or more ago, it wasnt normal for them to "give/supply" software in events here. I suppose I could be mistaken though. I only joined this site after the NGE hit, though I did read the forums from time to time before then.
Advertising is UP, from SONY, yeah!! good job MMORPG. Lets have a "non tech" review of a hardware solution to lag next. Great, got that covered too I see. Lets split a forum, to seperate those pro and con of SWG. Ok... why? Lets moderate one forum a little differently than the other, just because we can... Any excuse is better than none, right?
I have very rarely posted, in almost a year I have around 20 ( at this time) to those that count posts...
Reminds me of the old adage, about speaking, and removing all doubt.
Yes, I'm talking about YOU!
Probably refering to an MMOBLAZINGMANBLADE clone or something.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
Sorry MMO man, didn't think it was that hard. Ranting against those,that are PO'd against a company, on a forum that was split.. to segregate them to that aformentioned area. As in "SWG vet refuge/NGE hater forum or whatever. You have posted, that some that have minimal post counts, don't count.. as you have posted more often. My point was... the adage, about a fool speaking, or remaining silent. Speaking more often, does not make you more inteligent than one who does not. Speaking more often, meerly lets others judge you by your words. While I may not speak or type as well as some, I'd rather be thought the fool, than remove the doubt. I have no doubt about you. Does that clear it up?
(just one typo heh, I'm sure there are others)
A person can always be considered a fool or non intelligent anytime they do not agree with the masses. It does not mean they are non intelligent nor a fool it only means that others do not wish to agree nor do they wish to look outside of the box that they have allowed themselves to be easily convinced into. Most times anyone who does in fact disagree with others they usually are always considered a fool or non intelligent, simple because it allows the others to feel slightly superior in their own ideologies, but in reality it only brings added weight to the points made by the ones they consider a fool. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
People left this game because of the poorly designed game play, they left this game because of the lack of support in the game by the Development team, and they left this game because of the enormous amount of broken systems with in systems that made the game basically unplayable. If you need proof then you have not played this game since day one as such I understand why you would not understand. If you are able to you can read through the threads for the past 3 years, and maybe even visit some of the Anti-SWG websites that have been around for over 3 years. However if you have played this game since day one then you already know the answer to your own question and you are just wasting my time with nonsense. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
But see the real kicker here is that you have to use common sense and then make a "rule" as a means to measure success and profit on a product.
Also let's face it, if you base success and greatness on reviews, profit and consumer purchases you have a pretty solid foundation or concept of a basis of what is "success".
Now then based on this common formula in business 101 -- SWG is a failure and for those that do not see it, sorry this is just common knowledge.
Now then, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING SMART.. this is just the plain fucking truth of the matter.
Bottom line, if this game was getting people to sub hand over fist vs. losing them and being over a year with a product change that caused them to be known as the biggest MMO product train wreck ever then we would not be here or have anyone attempting to defend it.
Just use common sense and you have your answer -- it is almost that simple:
(Let's say) 350k subs -- and with changes instead of getting bigger and better YOU LOSE subs down to maybe 20k as I predict right now then YOU HAVE DONE SOMTHING WRONG!
You can hate WoW all you want, you can bash them be mad, but guess what ---?? Yep, they are smoking it up gaining people having YET AGAIN THIS WEEK to add 5 more servers in the states and 5 in Europe. Sorry, but when you have like freaking 300 servers world wide and 7.5 mill players that have subed, you are doing somthing right. No matter what we say, based on business alone they won.
Hard to argue success, no matter how much you don't like it. But it's easy to argue failure when it is visable and hitsyou in the face.
For any NGE that never saw what the game was like, they have no clue... you can't blame them because they just can't know the truth. SOE can spout anything to them and they can be "ignorant" of the past (word used as it is meant) By all means if they never saw 1000 people in Coronet, they cannot know how much fun it was etc..
So I guess in the end, you have to know the past and all the information somewhat to know enough about this, but if you just use some common sense the average JOE can figure this one out.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Myself would not ever say the game DID NOT have issues... BUT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW -- or better yet, what you had the promise of the chance of having back then it was much better.
See the chance to do what they wanted has came and went. I know this, sure it had issues but the chance and system was there to make good on.
We had more potential with EVEN THAT BROKEN SYSTEM then what you have now, not only that you had people that trusted you and believed in you with support.
Now you have nothing and a joke of a system.
So yes, it had problems. But see, you had a chance and population to work with and FOR... vs now.
Now you have a series of bullshit lies, missleadings, let downs, loss of product and the worst reviews ever.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
I said there were changes in the game, the combat was changed, the professions reworked and some dropped, and a leveling system put in. Those were the major changes in this game, but the rest of the game stayed the same, the quests, the content, and setting all of it is still the same game. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
Sure I agree thousands of players do in fact disagree with me, but there are also tens of thousands of other players basically the overwhelming majority of players that do in fact agree with me. You call what I said my opinion, it is not an opinion when it is based on fact, and the fact is this game in the Pre-CU was broken, the majority of players know it and say it and always have said it since this game was released over 3 years ago. SOE even admitted the game was broken, even former developers and designer of the game admit the game was broken and was not working well. This is called fact, not opinion, more importantly its called honesty being honest about this game and all that is attached to it. Bring it on down now.
Myself would not ever say the game DID NOT have issues... BUT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW -- or better yet, what you had the promise of the chance of having back then it was much better.
See the chance to do what they wanted has came and went. I know this, sure it had issues but the chance and system was there to make good on.
We had more potential with EVEN THAT BROKEN SYSTEM then what you have now, not only that you had people that trusted you and believed in you with support.
Now you have nothing and a joke of a system.
So yes, it had problems. But see, you had a chance and population to work with and FOR... vs now.
Now you have a series of
I agree with you, but you are talking about things that should have been done before the game was even released, not over the course of 3 years. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
But I disagree with you I dont want our game back the Pre-CU game was just a big broken piece of crap just like the NGE, thats called honesty for you.
No, its not "honesty", thats just called your opinion of which many thousands of people (including myself) would disagree with. Of course there were a few problems with Pre-CU (and name me a MMO that doesn't have its share) but IMO it was infinitely better than the crap that is available now.
The difference is that the pre-CU was a bigger game with more hope and bigger promise.
The core of the game was much better as somthing that could have been longlasting.
From the crafting to the combat, to the animations to the feel there is no doubt it felt better and looked better as well.
Sure it had problemns but in perspective to NOW Id take all of those problems X 2 instead of the NGE and the playerbase that is left.
SWG is done plain and simple.. it's not even a argument at all anymore.
You played the game and enjoyed it, this game worked for you; this game was something that you yourself got use to playing. But the majority of players did not get use to playing it; they did not like the game. The game today is still the same basic game that there was in the Pre-CU, the only real main changes are the level system, some professions dropped, some professions bundled together, and the combat changed, nonetheless these are still huge changes that basically can change the overall effect and feeling of game to something new. However the over all game itself, the content, the quests, and settings, and etc . are the same. The crafting needs major attention, but crafting needed major attention before the NGE. The simple fact is that this game was dying in the Pre-CU, and it is still dying in the NGE system. We do agree that overall the game is finished and it will eventually die. But I do not blame the NGE system for SWG dying, I blame other situations and problems for SWG dying, and that blame is not limited to SOE. Bring it on down now.
SO let me get this straight -- you just called this close to the old way???
Dude your fucked up, plain and simple.
I mean really, you just tried to tell me its almost the same but its not with a list as to why its not the same.
SO far this was the most insane thing you have posted as far as Im conceared.
I was in beta until the NGE -- PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THEY ARE ALIKE.
Try that with a NGEr not me... I will eat you alive with that.
I said there were changes in the game, the combat was changed, the professions reworked and some dropped, and a leveling system put in. Those were the major changes in this game, but the rest of the game stayed the same, the quests, the content, and setting all of it is still the same game. Bring it on down now.
Lol from sounds, animations and even more... Great so you just described 75% of the game has changed.
You forget that the CORE of the game was changed, from combat to the way you level, those count for more then (just some) of the game man.
They uprooted the entire core of the game.. that alone is a 50% change to the game... the rest is fodder and glitz even.
I mean really... that was thin, even for you.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1