Should I get D&D???

Kdar · December 2006

I thinking to get new MMO... And have an eye for D&D for some time now...

But I not sure.. Should I get it or not.. Played GW before.. and loved this no monthly fee and such. But I didn't played GW in.. very long time.

So... I need some thing new..

Is D&D a good MMO.. will it last long time? Is there a lot of people there still? How about updates..?

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Do the Trial version first. You can find it on DDO.com. Try before ya buy. I'll go over what to expect out of this game LATER.

neuronomad · December 2006

DDO is a great game if you give it a fair chance.

If you want a game where all you do is kill, kill, kill then you might want another game. But if you want a game that has fun puzzles, and great quest then this may be your cup of tea.

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Gameplay: Expect to do a lot of dungeons. Every is instance so expect to do some loading and 90% of the content is dungeon crawling. There is some PvP, but the PvP is imbalanced because classes have better feats and spells than others. The game has a level cap of 12 whereas the past DnD game have level cap of 20 levels. Outside of dungeon crawling have nothing to do except lounging. There is soloing, but only 3 levels of it. The game is repetitive after a whole, but you might like that type of stuff. Again, it's different for everyone so you might like it. Oh, yes, they are occassional traps and boss battles. (Dragon, Titan, Marilith, etc.)

Graphics: This depends on what you consider good graphics so I say it has good graphics, but it doesn't provide anything new visually. Don't expect expect any following capes or swashbuckling boots. All body armor cover the whole body.

Community: Small, but mature people. They are not mature because they are around the age of 27 to 50, but because they are small community. If you're under the age of 25 and you're looking for people more of your age this isn't the game for you. Moreover, if you're looking for a game with a lot of people this isn't the game for you.

Race and Class balance: I'll go over the class in order of their usefulness to not so useful.

Good Classes

Paladin - A good tank and high save.

Fighter A good tank and good at causing lots of game.

Rogue - DPS, unlock chest and stop certain traps.

Wizard or Sorcerer - Nuker and crowd control.

Cleric - Healer and buffer, DUH!

Classes in the middle

Bard - He useful in a broke team, but you don't really need him.

Not so good classes

Barbarian - Because he can't get the full 20 levels and because he can't get his Damage Reduction abilities, he useless as a tank unless you cross class.

Ranger - He doesn't get any good abilities that make him better than Fighter with a bow and he also doesn't get a bow attacks that'll slow down his enemies

There are no Druid or Monks at this time. As for races, you can pick any you want, but don't pick the Warforge unless you want people to ignore you when forming parties because Warforges are very hard to heal. The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

BTW, there are very little rpg elements in this game so you're looking for a environment to roleplay in. Be very disappointed because your skills have very little impact on the world. Even though DnD is roleplaying, there is roleplaying going on UNLESS you join rpg guild who ironically the minority in this game.

Sevenwind · December 2006

Umm I'm lvl 6 and I got about 350 favor. You need 400 favor last I checked to unlock Drow. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was doing faction this weekend for House buffs and I got pretty close.

And I beg to differ on bards. A high cha bard can charm many mobs and do great damage. Can also buff and play great buffing songs while healing and using a charmed pet.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Umm I'm lvl 6 and I got about 350 favor. You need 400 favor last I checked to unlock Drow. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was doing faction this weekend for House buffs and I got pretty close.
And I beg to differ on bards. A high cha bard can charm many mobs and do great damage. Can also buff and play great buffing songs while healing and using a charmed pet.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

They get fascinating feat, their cha has little to do with it. You don't need to take a bard with you since I've done dungeons without them. Clerics can also heal and Rangers, Wizards, Sorcerers and cleric again can use pets or charm them. And they have no attacks, just debuffs.

neuronomad · December 2006

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Umm I'm lvl 6 and I got about 350 favor. You need 400 favor last I checked to unlock Drow. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was doing faction this weekend for House buffs and I got pretty close.
And I beg to differ on bards. A high cha bard can charm many mobs and do great damage. Can also buff and play great buffing songs while healing and using a charmed pet.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

You are correct on the favor part. As usual he is making it up as he goes.

And I agree on the Bard side. I would have guess he put that in there in spit of me since me and the ole Cap'n have been going at it. Bards are a fun class, good healers, the best buffers and so on.

neuronomad · December 2006

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Umm I'm lvl 6 and I got about 350 favor. You need 400 favor last I checked to unlock Drow. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was doing faction this weekend for House buffs and I got pretty close.
And I beg to differ on bards. A high cha bard can charm many mobs and do great damage. Can also buff and play great buffing songs while healing and using a charmed pet.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

They get fascinating feat, their cha has little to do with it. You don't need to take a bard with you since I've done dungeons without them. Clerics can also heal and Rangers, Wizards, Sorcerers and cleric again can use pets or charm them. And they have no attacks, just debuffs.

Just because you can do a dungeon without a Bard doesn't mean that they are useless. I have ran plenty of dungeons without a true tank without any problems so does that mean that Fighters and Barbs are useless? I have ran plenty of times without a ranger, Sorc, or Wiz but does that mean you don't need a DPS class?

Bards are a hybrid class. That is for sure. They don't excel at any one particular thing better than than the classes that specialize in that area. But if a given class falls during a fight they can jump in and help fill that role and prevent a wipe.

Kdar · December 2006

Is this game which would require a lot of time into it?

I actually looking for some thing... that you can play.. but which will not require big amount of time..

Dyrtt · December 2006

You can easily hop on, find a group and knock out a small dungeon or two in a couple hours.

One word of advice: If you try the trial make sure you have a mic. DDO has built in voice chat and alot of people don't like to group with you if you cant hear what they are saying.

Khalathwyr · December 2006

As far as the PvP comment, PvP is balanced. It is balanced in that in DnD classes are NOT supposed to be equal. If anything is done to "tweak" the classes in regard to PvP, well, it begins down the road of no longer being DnD. We never allowed party in-fighting in our PnP groups, and I'd dare say that those that did allow it in their groups, the DM didn't alter the skills or abilities of one player to make it more "fair" or "balanced".

neuronomad · December 2006

As Dyrtt said the game is simple to jump in and find a group and start to have a good time.

The built-in voicechat is great. Even if you don't want to be heard you can still listen in and it really helps.

Regardless of what some people say there are plenty of dungeons you can solo if for some reason you can't find a group. Like most MMOs your class helps define how quick you will find a group. With my Cleric and Bard I have zero problems finding a group and have to turn people away more often than not. With my fighter and Sorc I have a bit harder time, but even then I haven't really ever had to wait any longer than any other game like WoW, or EQ2 for a group.   And the beauty of the game is that travel is so fast unlike other MMOs you don't have to wait for twenty plus minutes for everyone to get to the same spot.

Most dungeons offer multiple skill levels. Solo, Normal, Hard and Elite. At the lower levels almost any class if played correctly can easily handle the dungeons on Normal. Solo at low levels is almost too easy if you are even half trying.

The game has many mature people in it.   I haven't ran into a single bad player.   The public chat isn't filled up with "l2p noob" and other 1337 talk like WoW and such.   I haven't had any problems with groups running off and trying to steal a chest since unlike most games, every chest has a loot table for each group member.

Quest are easy to find, and the Adventure App. guide in game makes finding the next quest a breeze.

Items and plat are easy to come by in game, so it doesn't take a lot of farming unless you are wanting the very best items. The AH is a bit borked though so you might not find many good deals on there.

As far as population, I am sure it depends on the server.   The server I am on is always full of people at all levels and is a fairly new server.

DDO is a great game. The first time I tried it I did so while playing another MMO so I didn't give it my full attention. But after deciding to give it a real try I love it.    The game isn't perfect, no game is. But it is a great casual game.   The low level cap helps keep you from falling too far behind your pals.   There is PLENTY of content and more being added every month or so.

One thing that is hard to get used to is under most situations mob killing doesn't generate XP.    This game isn't about killing mobs mindlessly. It is about figuring out dungeons and doing quest.    Yes as some will point out sometimes the dungeons are a bit too static and once you run a quest the next time you run that same quest the traps and chest locations don't change.   Personally I like this because the first time I run a quest it is for the story. Then if I choose to run the same quest again I do so far the loot and XP.   Regardless of what some people say about you having to run the same quest over and over again, this isn't true.   There are very few situations where for a given level there isn't enough quest to run without doing one over again.   It is just a matter of knowing where to look for new quest like any other game.

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Umm I'm lvl 6 and I got about 350 favor. You need 400 favor last I checked to unlock Drow. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was doing faction this weekend for House buffs and I got pretty close.
And I beg to differ on bards. A high cha bard can charm many mobs and do great damage. Can also buff and play great buffing songs while healing and using a charmed pet.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

The game features the drow, but you'll have to beat the game first.

You are correct on the favor part. As usual he is making it up as he goes.

And I agree on the Bard side. I would have guess he put that in there in spit of me since me and the ole Cap'n have been going at it. Bards are a fun class, good healers, the best buffers and so on. To be honest, I wasn't think of you and I never liked the Bard as does a handful of people who've played past DnD games. He's good in PnP that's about it.

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

As far as the PvP comment, PvP is balanced. It is balanced in that in DnD classes are NOT supposed to be equal. If anything is done to "tweak" the classes in regard to PvP, well, it begins down the road of no longer being DnD. We never allowed party in-fighting in our PnP groups, and I'd dare say that those that did allow it in their groups, the DM didn't alter the skills or abilities of one player to make it more "fair" or "balanced".

Dude, DnD is not balance. Wizard/Sorcerer >>>>>>>>Every other class. PvP in DnD HAS ALWAYS been unbalanced. You will not see bard pwning a Wizard EVER unless that Wizard ran out of spell. And you can twink the class by giving your low level characters enchanted gear because I've done it.

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Originally posted by neuronomad

As Dyrtt said the game is simple to jump in and find a group and start to have a good time.

The built-in voicechat is great. Even if you don't want to be heard you can still listen in and it really helps.

Regardless of what some people say there are plenty of dungeons you can solo if for some reason you can't find a group. Like most MMOs your class helps define how quick you will find a group. With my Cleric and Bard I have zero problems finding a group and have to turn people away more often than not. With my fighter and Sorc I have a bit harder time, but even then I haven't really ever had to wait any longer than any other game like WoW, or EQ2 for a group.   And the beauty of the game is that travel is so fast unlike other MMOs you don't have to wait for twenty plus minutes for everyone to get to the same spot.

Most dungeons offer multiple skill levels. Solo, Normal, Hard and Elite. At the lower levels almost any class if played correctly can easily handle the dungeons on Normal. Solo at low levels is almost too easy if you are even half trying.

The game has many mature people in it.   I haven't ran into a single bad player.   The public chat isn't filled up with "l2p noob" and other 1337 talk like WoW and such.   I haven't had any problems with groups running off and trying to steal a chest since unlike most games, every chest has a loot table for each group member.

Quest are easy to find, and the Adventure App. guide in game makes finding the next quest a breeze.

Items and plat are easy to come by in game, so it doesn't take a lot of farming unless you are wanting the very best items. The AH is a bit borked though so you might not find many good deals on there.

As far as population, I am sure it depends on the server.   The server I am on is always full of people at all levels and is a fairly new server.

DDO is a great game. The first time I tried it I did so while playing another MMO so I didn't give it my full attention. But after deciding to give it a real try I love it.    The game isn't perfect, no game is. But it is a great casual game.   The low level cap helps keep you from falling too far behind your pals.   There is PLENTY of content and more being added every month or so.

One thing that is hard to get used to is under most situations mob killing doesn't generate XP.    This game isn't about killing mobs mindlessly. It is about figuring out dungeons and doing quest.    Yes as some will point out sometimes the dungeons are a bit too static and once you run a quest the next time you run that same quest the traps and chest locations don't change.   Personally I like this because the first time I run a quest it is for the story. Then if I choose to run the same quest again I do so far the loot and XP.   Regardless of what some people say about you having to run the same quest over and over again, this isn't true.   There are very few situations where for a given level there isn't enough quest to run without doing one over again.   It is just a matter of knowing where to look for new quest like any other game.

1. Again, you can only solo up to level 1 to 3. Find groups varies depending on your server. Riedra is pretty freak barren with only a handful of players on that server. BTW, necro, if a server is lacking players that only speaks volume of DDO fading popularity.

2. Depending on your class and to a certain extend your race, it problem find a party.

3. Quest are easy to find players aren't. It can take up to an hour to find a group in barren servers like Riedra.

4. This is short so it isn't all that hard to find a quest or finish it. Takes about 7 days to a month.

5. Again, try the trial, don't people convince to not buy the game or to buy the game. Try the trial and then decide.

neuronomad · December 2006

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

Originally posted by neuronomad

As Dyrtt said the game is simple to jump in and find a group and start to have a good time.

The built-in voicechat is great. Even if you don't want to be heard you can still listen in and it really helps.

Regardless of what some people say there are plenty of dungeons you can solo if for some reason you can't find a group. Like most MMOs your class helps define how quick you will find a group. With my Cleric and Bard I have zero problems finding a group and have to turn people away more often than not. With my fighter and Sorc I have a bit harder time, but even then I haven't really ever had to wait any longer than any other game like WoW, or EQ2 for a group.   And the beauty of the game is that travel is so fast unlike other MMOs you don't have to wait for twenty plus minutes for everyone to get to the same spot.

Most dungeons offer multiple skill levels. Solo, Normal, Hard and Elite. At the lower levels almost any class if played correctly can easily handle the dungeons on Normal. Solo at low levels is almost too easy if you are even half trying.

The game has many mature people in it.   I haven't ran into a single bad player.   The public chat isn't filled up with "l2p noob" and other 1337 talk like WoW and such.   I haven't had any problems with groups running off and trying to steal a chest since unlike most games, every chest has a loot table for each group member.

Quest are easy to find, and the Adventure App. guide in game makes finding the next quest a breeze.

Items and plat are easy to come by in game, so it doesn't take a lot of farming unless you are wanting the very best items. The AH is a bit borked though so you might not find many good deals on there.

As far as population, I am sure it depends on the server.   The server I am on is always full of people at all levels and is a fairly new server.

DDO is a great game. The first time I tried it I did so while playing another MMO so I didn't give it my full attention. But after deciding to give it a real try I love it.    The game isn't perfect, no game is. But it is a great casual game.   The low level cap helps keep you from falling too far behind your pals.   There is PLENTY of content and more being added every month or so.

One thing that is hard to get used to is under most situations mob killing doesn't generate XP.    This game isn't about killing mobs mindlessly. It is about figuring out dungeons and doing quest.    Yes as some will point out sometimes the dungeons are a bit too static and once you run a quest the next time you run that same quest the traps and chest locations don't change.   Personally I like this because the first time I run a quest it is for the story. Then if I choose to run the same quest again I do so far the loot and XP.   Regardless of what some people say about you having to run the same quest over and over again, this isn't true.   There are very few situations where for a given level there isn't enough quest to run without doing one over again.   It is just a matter of knowing where to look for new quest like any other game.

1. Again, you can only solo up to level 1 to 3. Find groups varies depending on your server. Riedra is pretty freak barren with only a handful of players on that server. BTW, necro, if a server is lacking players that only speaks volume of DDO fading popularity.

2. Depending on your class and to a certain extend your race, it problem find a party.

3. Quest are easy to find players aren't. It can take up to an hour to find a group in barren servers like Riedra.

4. This is short so it isn't all that hard to find a quest or finish it. Takes about 7 days to a month.

5. Again, try the trial, don't people convince to not buy the game or to buy the game. Try the trial and then decide.

You can solo quest well past what CaptinRPG says. And considering that he doesn't even play DDO (other than having played the trial in the past) I wouldn't put any stock in what he says about server populations. The servers I play on are strong and growing everyday. DDO isn't faiding if anything it is still growing.

Players are easy to find to quest with, another thing that CaptainRPG doesn't seem to know about. I have never had a problem finding other players to play with. I think his experience was just his attitude. If you act like a #$@! then yeah you will have a hard time finding a party that will take you.

The game isn't short if you do each of the quest and take your time and enjoy the game. Sure you can plow your way thru the content just like every other game. But if you actually take your time, read the quest and follow the game it isn't any quicker game than a lot of other MMOs. Also Turbine continues to add more and more content all the time.

I agree, try the trial but then again you can find the game for cheap on Ebay so $10 or so isn't a bad investment to fully try the game.

Kdar · December 2006

Thnks for info...

Some other questions..

How many days do I get from buying a retail box? Or I have to buy game ticket right away.

Also... If I play and pay monthly fee for couple month.. but them stop playing for some time, few month or so.. Will my Char and such be saved?

neuronomad · December 2006

Originally posted by Kdar

Thnks for info...

Some other questions..

How many days do I get from buying a retail box? Or I have to buy game ticket right away.

Also... If I play and pay monthly fee for couple month.. but them stop playing for some time, few month or so.. Will my Char and such be saved?

No problem Kdar

You get 30 days for the retail box (or if you download from Direct2Drive).   I used a CC for my subscription so I am not sure. I think it is like most games where you have to either use a Gamecard or CC at signup, but not sure.

As far as I know Turbine will keep your characters around for as long as they have DDO online.   You could quit for six months or a year even and come back and resub and have your characters waiting for your to play again.

Hope this helps.   Would love to see you in game.

Sevenwind · December 2006

I play on the Riedra server and I never have a problem finding a group. In fact I get tells I have to turn down people most nights cause I'm not staying on long. And if your low level starting there I almost always see a group in the social panel doing WaterWorks when I'm hunting for groups to join. I can't speak for the other servers in saying they are more populated than Riedra but Riedra is rockin with groups.

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

1. Again, you can only solo up to level 1 to 3. Find groups varies depending on your server. Riedra is pretty freak barren with only a handful of players on that server. BTW, necro, if a server is lacking players that only speaks volume of DDO fading popularity.

Sevenwind · December 2006

Kdar get DDO off Amazon.com it is going for nine dollars on there. If you got a DVD player on your PC I recommend getting the dvd version of DDO cause it has the high res textures you can opt to install if your system can handle it. You'll have to patch longer but the graphics are a lot better looking in my opinion.

Shannia · December 2006

You can do it all, and I MEAN ALL during the preview. The only thing the game has to offer other than levels 1-12 is some very weak pvp. The games offers nothing but dungeon crawling and very weak pvp. There is nothing more to that game. No crafting, no anything. Do the preview, but I'd save my money for one of the many titles coming out next year. There are many F2P play games that are more exciting and fun to play than DDO.

zerocool · December 2006

Not really an MMO but you might consider giving Neverwinter Nights 2 a shot. Has multiplayer online. Has crafting. Has levels 1-20 and Prestige classes.

wolffin · December 2006

I recomend trying out the preview you may like it. I preordered and wish I had saved my money for something better. There is no persistant world your locked to a town with a few out side instances. Graphix are dreary. i was verry disapointed in this game. When I first heard about the grand daddy of RPG going MMORPG I was verry excited and after playing it I was extreamely disapointed. If it did not have a monthly fee it would be good for occasionaly play for something to do every now and again. On a scale of 1 to 10 and 10 being the best I give it a 4.

we3ster · December 2006

Originally posted by CaptainRPG

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

As far as the PvP comment, PvP is balanced. It is balanced in that in DnD classes are NOT supposed to be equal. If anything is done to "tweak" the classes in regard to PvP, well, it begins down the road of no longer being DnD. We never allowed party in-fighting in our PnP groups, and I'd dare say that those that did allow it in their groups, the DM didn't alter the skills or abilities of one player to make it more "fair" or "balanced".

Dude, DnD is not balance. Wizard/Sorcerer >>>>>>>>Every other class. PvP in DnD HAS ALWAYS been unbalanced. You will not see bard pwning a Wizard EVER unless that Wizard ran out of spell. And you can twink the class by giving your low level characters enchanted gear because I've done it.

No, it's not balanced, you are right but DnD classes are not meant to be balanced. Nobody who plays the game wants it balanced either. There are 3 types of pvp, tavern brawls, a free for all, here casters, bards and paladins are pretty potent but certainly not impossible to beat if same level.

In the capture the flag and the deathmatch options, teams compete, so is more team strategy and balanced groups on either sides, so theoretically, there is balance here.

To the op: yes, definitely try the game, it's really, rather, very good!

CaptainRPG · December 2006

Originally posted by Kdar

Thnks for info...

Some other questions..

How many days do I get from buying a retail box? Or I have to buy game ticket right away.

Also... If I play and pay monthly fee for couple month.. but them stop playing for some time, few month or so.. Will my Char and such be saved?

I've played the game recently don't mind necro, he's throwing childish fits. As one poster just said, you can get DDO off of Amazon for 9 bucks. (Price speak volumes about it's popularity) If you try to buy the game from the site, you'll be cough up 30 bucks.

But again, play the trial version first and then buy the game if you like it. You won't know if you like the game until you play and the game pretty short. Stay away from Rierda because it's a fairly empty place. I believe Xiriot is a good populated server.

TheFranchise · December 2006

CaptainRPG wrote:

"I've played the game recently don't mind necro, he's throwing childish fits. As one poster just said, you can get DDO off of Amazon for 9 bucks. (Price speak volumes about it's popularity)"

I bought World of Warcraft for $14.99 from it's regular $39.99. It is now $19.99 regular. I guess it must not be very popular.

You sure do play DDO a lot for a game you hate.

The main things I wanted to address are:

Clerics aren't necessarily "healers/buffers".
Bards can damn near break the game mechanics of DDO.
Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't understand D&D or DDO or both.

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