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Failed games on release that deserve a second chance?

JAttractiveJAttractive Member Posts: 149
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Been bored lately and need an MMORPG-fix. Dark and Light sent me an offer today where you can play to level 10 for free and it got me thinking. Are there any games out there that flopped on release but have been patched enough now and improved to the point they are worth giving a second look at?



I'm thinking games like Roma Victor, Dark and Light, etc.?



I don't want to hear about the bigger titles (Ie. EQ2, WOW, GW, EVE ) just the smaller ones we may be overlooking  that some of you have tried lately.
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  • MajorBiggsMajorBiggs Member UncommonPosts: 709

    IMO Roma Victor deserves a chance. It's not horrible like D&L, but it does have its problems. I think Roma Victor tried to be something :-/.

    D&L should die.

    One game i'd like to see have a 2nd chance thing (if it isnt in the OP's question) is Asheron's Call 2....bring it back for shits and giggles or something. I bet some others would like to play that again.

  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Auto Assault...hands down. Great game, horrible release.



    Bunch of stuff is changing soon, hopefully it'll get the support it needs.

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  • JAttractiveJAttractive Member Posts: 149
    Hmm does Roma Victor have a demo?  I just went to the website but don't see one listed anywhere. It's a shame because I would try it otherwise.



    Auto assault doesn't really appeal to me but maybe I should give it a whirl.



    AC2 with pvp would actually be something I would try. Too bad...
  • XzaroXzaro Member UncommonPosts: 1,719
    Dark and Light should be bought by another company and made into an actual MMORPG by professionals.

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  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440
    I agree with Auto Assault.  I am surprised NCsoft hasn't made it free to play with a cash shop yet.

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  • ClassicstarClassicstar Member UncommonPosts: 2,697
    Originally posted by MajorBiggs


    IMO Roma Victor deserves a chance. It's not horrible like D&L, but it does have its problems. I think Roma Victor tried to be something :-/.
    D&L should die.
    One game i'd like to see have a 2nd chance thing (if it isnt in the OP's question) is Asheron's Call 2....bring it back for shits and giggles or something. I bet some others would like to play that again.
    I agree i would play it again asheron call,s 2 if it would be released its still nice game and if dakrtide would be opened i would not think one second long to go play there i would play ac2 again on darktide:)

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  • brutotalbrutotal Member Posts: 276
    EnB, it didn't receive nearly enough publicity due to EA's poor marketing and it slowly fell apart because they failed to bring in enough new players as the old ones retired.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by JAttractive

    Been bored lately and need an MMORPG-fix. Dark and Light sent me an offer today where you can play to level 10 for free and it got me thinking. Are there any games out there that flopped on release but have been patched enough now and improved to the point they are worth giving a second look at?



    I'm thinking games like Roma Victor, Dark and Light, etc.?



    I don't want to hear about the bigger titles (Ie. EQ2, WOW, GW, EVE ) just the smaller ones we may be overlooking  that some of you have tried lately.
    Try ArchLord again once the new patch comes in in January. huge update
  • ValiumSummerValiumSummer Member Posts: 1,008
    Archlord is going to be free to play (no monthly subscription fee) Jan 8th I think.     You still have to buy the game.   Might consider that one..being currently WOG myself ( Without game) I might have a go at it.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    AL already is free to play right now.
  • TymoraTymora Member UncommonPosts: 1,295
    Originally posted by Xzaro

    Dark and Light should be bought by another company and made into an actual MMORPG by professionals.



    Yes, I agree.  Its not so much the game as it is the people who created it and run it.  Farlan is the real problem, not D&L.  They just didn't have the capability to create the mmo that they had in mind.  It was a very big task, one that a real development team would be better equipped to take on.

    I always wanted to try Earth and Beyond. 

    I thought Auto Assault was good, but needed improvement.  So I've been waiting and it seems that the changes are for the better.  I might check it out again after the next big update.

    RF Online is one of the mmos that I really enjoyed, to my surprise.  I didn't like Archlord, though, and I wouldn't play it, even though it is free.  When RF Online expands, I would go back to check that out again for sure.

  • EranuEranu Member Posts: 191

    Agree with last poster. I went back to AL when it wnet free to play and it only took 3 hours for me to be bored to tears again and confine the disk to the dustbin. (what the hell category do you recycle a dvd disk in?)

    RF online was ok and id maybe give it another go itf it went free to play also now theyve tweaked the horrendous xp and skill pt rate heavily.

    D&L should be confined to satans crack and remain there forever.

    Roma victor was on ma pc for about 6 hours in total. Maybe im too stuck in the fantasy genre. 

    Call me sick but id prolly have a go at shadowbane again.

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  • GreatnessGreatness Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Lineage 2 although still a big grind, it got a bit better.





    As for Asheron's Call 2, I played that a few years after it had released and it was actually quite fun, I kinda miss that game, I wish that I could have played it longer.

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  • TaramTaram Member CommonPosts: 1,700
    There is only one game I intend to go back to after an update:

    UO once the Reborn update is completed.



    It's also the only MMO I have ever left that I actually miss.

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  • BamBam021BamBam021 Member Posts: 13
    In the past few months I have retried EQ (progression), DAoC, and Shadowbane. All of them have been great experiences, and I am still playing EQ and SB.



    Of those, SB is F2P and certainly qualifies for a less than perfect release.
  • gnomexxxgnomexxx Member Posts: 2,920
    Earth and Beyond

    and

    Asheron's Call 2



    I loved both of those games and never understood why they weren't played and had to go.

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  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671
    All I know is that Asheron's Call 2 was very buggy/laggy on release back in 2002. As I remember Turbine sold the game to Microsoft until year 2004-2005 something when Turbine bought it back and fixed the bugs and lag issues but it was too late WoW and EQ2 were dominating the market already.
  • JackDonkeyJackDonkey Member Posts: 383
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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433

    Auto-Assault easily.

     

    The game is smooth and very nice.  I don't know why, but I can't muster myself to play it.  Yet, point by point, it is very nice.  And it has improve a LOT since release. You guys should go give it a try, and if you find the missing link, let's them know.  The game is soooo close to be a major success, just can't pinpoint what it is needing.

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  • End_of_a_eraEnd_of_a_era Member Posts: 527
    No they shouldn't, if the companies cudnt be bothered to release them when they were finished then dont buy it.

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  • lorechaserlorechaser Member Posts: 124
    Originally posted by Anofalye


    Auto-Assault easily.
     
    The game is smooth and very nice.  I don't know why, but I can't muster myself to play it.  Yet, point by point, it is very nice.  And it has improve a LOT since release. You guys should go give it a try, and if you find the missing link, let's them know.  The game is soooo close to be a major success, just can't pinpoint what it is needing.
    That's me, too.



    I love the concept of AA.  I recommend it to people.  But I just didn't get in to it.  I think it's mainly the lack of group support - when I played, Convoys were irrelevant.  Trading was non-existant.  Chat was limited.  So it was like playing a single player game, and I had Twisted Metal Black if I wanted to drive around blowing stuff up.



    But.



    I registered for the 14 day trial earlier today, so I'm gonna give it another shot, but I would love it if it converted to a free play, buy extra items system.  And I can imagine it would do well - what PVPer wouldn't drop $10 on a super-flame thrower?

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  • un.sinedun.sined Member Posts: 4
    Originally posted by dmitri84

    All I know is that Asheron's Call 2 was very buggy/laggy on release back in 2002. As I remember Turbine sold the game to Microsoft until year 2004-2005 something when Turbine bought it back and fixed the bugs and lag issues but it was too late WoW and EQ2 were dominating the market already.
    Microsoft was the publisher, while turbine was the producer. Microsoft had some rights to say yes or no to content. Turbine purchased those rights back from Microsoft in 2004 (if memory serves), and dropped them like a bad habit.



    Then, AC2 was shut down last December, shortly after the expansion was released for both AC and AC2.



    If you play AC, you'll find that the worlds are almost always empty now. I don't expect that it will be too long before AC is shut down too.



    If Turbine had listened to the players, AC would have received a major graphics update (similar to the graphics in AC2) and would likely still have many players today. If Microsoft (specifically Ken Karl) hadn't thought that they knew more than their players, AC2 would have been much more like AC.
  • XtromassXtromass Member Posts: 662
    Dark and Light  And DDO. I'd like it to stay as it is, but a bit more content in it (for DDO that is)
  • OdyssesOdysses Member Posts: 581
    I would say hands down Asheron's Call 2.   It had a horrible launch and lost support from Microsoft way to early after they rushed the game to launch way before it was ready.   When I see how many other games have launched since 2002 that are not even close in originallity or fun its a shame that they chose to close the game down.   If you look at how poorly recieved games like Auto Assualt, Dark and Light, Roma Victor and Archlord were and all of them will probably be around for a while, its too bad that the game died way to early.
  • KaedricKaedric Member Posts: 33

     

    - in my opinion horizons definatly deserves a second chance, although it technically had a good launch, people jsut left after certain login changes. great game, great fun, great community.

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