I just wanna know why everyone does nothing but bitch....all i see is WoW BLAH BLAH BLAH, EVE BLAH BLAH BLAH!, far as i care if you cant get over your self long enough to realise that its not YOUR INDIVIDUAL WANTS, its the MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER WANTS (yes there are other people in the world!). The only reason why YOUR on here is because 1) you suck at games so much that you are here to bitch, 2) you just suck, 3) you are looking for a new game. im assuming that only 10% of you are 3, SO, get your thumbs out of your butts and go DO SOMETHING. and yes i do have to admit that i DO HATE WOW, and i do like EVE, but not all that much, the only reason why they are up there on the top, again and again and again is because SOMEONE (MAYBE NOT ALL YOU PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT IT, BUT SOMEONE) likes them and did vote for them.
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.
So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill.
Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.
So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...
The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I remember last year a lot of people also complained bout sort of the same things.Maybe it's just better to not do it any more these readers choises i geuss.They did it differently this year to a year back IF i am correct.Like i said in a post before you'll allways have people complaining.If eve wouldn't have won that much probably a lot of eve players would complain caus they felt that they'd been wronged.Maybe they'd just better do a summary of the mmorpg-year and a spot open for people to give a reaction like they do with a lot of reviews/newsitems.
OH and darkone...first of when i write something i expect it to be fully readed and not just partially..secondly keep in mind that unlike you some people don't come from the US and that this is not their native language , so things can be putten in wrong order/meaning at times.Thank you
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet. So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill. Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all. So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing... The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking Congrats BTW to eve.
Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet. So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill. Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all. So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing... The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking Congrats BTW to eve.
Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."
That is right on. With instances there can not be a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.
To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.
And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.
The universe of EVE has all of these.
By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.
Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.
Oh i almost forgot to mentiont hat at the end of this year we are getting Avitars as in your charecter gets out of his gooey pod and can walk around and interact in the various stations. There will be EmotesClothes shops ArenasShops etc also the devs ahve stated if we want something in this aprt of eve just say so in the Featueres and ideas section of the forums if it can be done and is popular then it will be.
Aslo space wise enviromwents are getting added such as various nebula types that span 10's of thousands of Kilometres.
We are also getting system wide asteroid belts that are so big you need scanner brobes just to navigate through them.
So yea EvE is improving and i do agree EvE does lack in certain areas but that seems to graduly be changing.
One confirmed feature im loking foward to tho is palnetry battles A.K.A planetside like. Ill bring along my Battlecruiser to help out in those
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet. So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill. Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all. So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing... The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
Actually, it's the persistance that makes us able to create our own story, and there are plenty of ongoing background events which are NPC driven. The main difference between the Eve story events and those from most other MMORPGs is that players are able to fully interact with them and steer the direction that the story takes. Furthermore, the results of their actions will remain, and the ramifications will be ongoing rather than resetting after a set period of time. (Unless someone counteracts them that is).
The player driven story is generally fought out less as people face to face (since we don't have that yet) but as a combination of boardroom battles, political maneuvering, and small to large scale fleet battles.
Oh, it's not everone's cup of tea, but then again, what is?
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."
That is right on. With instances there can not be a story or a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.
To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.
And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.
The universe of EVE has all of these.
By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.
Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.
It could be argued that history of eve is also the story of eve.
On an interesting sidenote tho the devs plan to start a History of eve thingy. As in they intend to document the happenings between the empre corps and alliances of eve and create a history document.
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet. So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill. Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all. So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing... The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
i won't disagree with you (atleast not completly) ...
as allready stated - EVE has NO instances in the normal sense (yes - you have missions that are difficult to enter for those who don't run the mission ... but it's not impossible to interfere)
and i know the story "telling" in EVE is different to your concept of story telling. i don't have a problem with it ,that EVE lacks a /dance emote, i don't have a problem that it lacks the visual bling bling of character interaction and that the stories i experience don't have a cinematic quality WHILE i experience it. most of the stories are only spread through written word of after-action reports and through talking with others.
do i think that EVE is unique in the aspect of immersion? dunno, it's my first MMO (and probably my last one too) - i can't comment other MMOs in regards to imersion and story (and as you likely see - i didn't make ANY comment about other MMOs in my post). but as i allready said - to say that EVE has no story is plain wrong - that was my point. and i also have to add - if EVE was sharded like other MMOs it would suck for me - the "one world, one history" is really appealing to me (and i think to others also) - add the persistent world concept and the numbers of players simultanously on the server - you should realize that it's a big living universe .. in this aspect EVE is closer to "second life" than other games (though it still has the classic game approach)
though on one point i can wholeheartly agree with you - EVE is NOT a game for everyone. no game is - but it seems EVE is quite outstanding (or controversary) in this aspect (non-consensual PvP everywhere - only some places where NPCs & gamemechanics interfere AFTER it started, a really complex economy, a quite severe deathpenalty - if you lose a ship, it's lost (lucky us players no permadeath though)) it's the same with music - some prefer easy listening MTV sounds, other prefer metal, the next prefer techno and others prefer experimental music. some kind of musics are listened by more people than others, but numbers don't say anything about "quality" (funny thing is "quality" is absolute subjective - everyone has other criterias)
and if your main concern is that people have to pay money for things they don't want to ... i think we're all old enough to realize that we don't have to play (and pay) a game if we don't like it (no matter if our perception of the game reflects (or not) the reality of the game)
edit: after reading one of the posts above - maybe i should use on some places the term "history" instead of "story" .. but meh ... history is only his story
i won't disagree with you (atleast not completly) ...
as allready stated - EVE has NO instances in the normal sense (yes - you have missions that are difficult to enter for those who don't run the mission ... but it's not impossible to interfere)
and i know the story "telling" in EVE is different to your concept of story telling. i don't have a problem with it ,that EVE lacks a /dance emote, i don't have a problem that it lacks the visual bling bling and that the stories i experience don't have a cinematic quality WHILE i experience it. most of the stories are only spread through written word of after-action reports and through talking with others.
do i think that EVE is unique in the aspect of immersion? dunno, it's my first MMO (and probably my last one too) - i can't comment other MMOs in regards to imersion and story (and as you likely see - i didn't make ANY comment about other MMOs in my post). but as i allready said - to say that EVE has no story is plain wrong - that was my point. and i also have to add - if EVE was sharded like other MMOs it would suck for me - the "one world, one history" is really appealing to me (and i think to others also) - add the persistent world concept and the numbers of players simultanously on the server - you should realize that it's a big living universe .. in this aspect EVE is closer to "second life" than other games (though it still has the classic game approach)
though on one point i can wholeheartly agree with you - EVE is NOT a game for everyone. no game is - but it seems EVE is quite outstanding (or controversary) in this aspect (non-consensual PvP everywhere - only some places where NPCs & gamemechanics interfere AFTER it started, a really complex economy, a quite severe deathpenalty - if you lose a ship, it's lost (lucky us players no permadeath though)) it's the same with music - some prefer easy listening MTV sounds, other prefer metal, the next prefer techno and others prefer experimental music. some kind of musics are listened by more people than others, but numbers don't say anything about "quality" (funny thing is "quality" is absolute subjective - everyone has other criterias)
and if your main concern is that people have to pay money for things they don't want to ... i think we're all old enough to realize that we don't have to play (and pay) a game if we don't like it (no matter if our perception of the game reflects (or not) the reality of the game)
i play EVE, it still my first MMO (yes, i searched for something till X-OL hits the shelves which will never happen), i trialed some others.
I am living in Empire, sometimes in LowSec with rather occasionally PvP as i cant afford it to lose ships all the time.
so i am doing PvE. Missiones are fine, when i played F2P or Trials, they have quests, nice, yes, but leaving me most times half
a level just with grinding, just to gain the next part of the story.
EVEs diffrent there, the missions may be repitive, but COSMOS isnt as well as exploration isnt, which i like both to do
cause i can handel that with my general held lowbish skills and have fun with it.
Doing that with friends even maximisies it, cause every Complex, every stage need a new tactic to work with, and even
some missions after patches need to be done careful as things change there too and cost you often a ship if you dont care.
I like to have multiple approaches (from diffrent angel) to everything there (friend of mine is even more extrem there as he trys and succeds in doing very hard lvl 4 missions with a caracal and mediocre skills) and have the possibility to try everthing there.
I have played with some hardcore RPers as well, they arent weak, they just play on a smaller lvl which is hard ot access for
a not dedicated player, even when its just about simple things as chattings.
the most famous storys still come from other players, may it be those near to me, or the large scams, wars and wins.
Most other MMOs doenst appeal to me, cause of their lvls (ok, sometimes i like to grind lvls, only sometimes), classes (i dont like to be restricited in what i am doing, cause its easier to balance), skill caps (same as before), way to go in their world (quests) and endgame
content (nah, same way all over till the updates/expansions come, where i havnt even done all 3-4/10 complexes in EVE).
EVE won everything again simply because it deserves it.
There is no game that has the vast amount of new content routinely added in free patches that Eve does.
There is no game where 30000 players at a time on the same server create their own storyline.
There aren't many games where getting killed in PVP actually means as much as it does in Eve, so you actually care if you get shot, and have the adrenaline rush as a result.
There aren't many games where the developers will go out on the lash with players and wear pink wigs for a laugh.
New graphical enhancements and huge amounts of new content have completely revitalised Eve. Its good for another 10 years and another 300,000 subscribers.
Hats off to CCP
----------------------------- 'Argueing with an Eve player is like argueing with a religous nut. '
Eve is sooo boring. You don't have an avatar, just your ship which is like point and click to move. As bad as SWG is I enjoyed space combat much more than in Eve.
See, there you all go again making EVE out to be something its not. Its alright to like the game, but you are deliberately making EVE out to be something other than it is. You may not like my posts, or think they are fair. One thing for certain though is you'll never see Beatnik59 ask you to shell out money based on hype that's too good to be true.
There is nothing "unique" about how players "shape the story." At one time, you actually had server wide events, etc. You don't see that so much anymore, and storylines that have been around for a year have never been touched by CCP. These days, its the same old twink versus twink ePeen contest you have seen in later pre-CU SWG, you see in WoW, and every other game where player clans compete against eachother for uberness. Not only that, but its stale. A lot really doesn't change from day to day. For months, nothing really changed all that much map wise, and still, the changes amount to so little, all things considered.
Also, the notion that you get more "free" content from EVE is a myth as well. You get paid expansions in games like EQ2, CoH, and WoW, but what you don't often hear about is how much free content you get, and keep on getting, long after you subscribe. I don't have any paid expansions for EQ2, but they gave me over 200 new quests, new writs, new areas, and new features, and I was able to see it for myself without paying SOE one thin dime this year. Unlike CCP, SOE, NCSoft, and others will give people who bought the box "free time" to play awhile on their dime.
Meanwhile, after paying since January, on two accounts, all I got was one third of the expansion they promised in spring, a few new ship designs, a ton of bugs and lag, and some asian character models. So really, all things considered, you really don't get much more value,when you actually stop,cut through the hype, and really see what you get. You pay just as much, if not more, with EVE than you do in other MMOs. The reason being, you really have to spend a lot of money to really understand if "EVE is for you," and if if it isn't for you, nobody is going to give that money back. All you'll get are these fanbois like LordSlater, Snakey, and Minsc tell you how stupid you are, how you aren't playing the "right way (its funny how EVE ceases to become a sandbox where there is "no right way to play," after you pay your $20 fee)," and to quit whining.
Before you check out EVE, take a look at the general discussion forum on the EVE website to see what the EVE players have to say about this "award winning" game. Read it carefully, and take your time to read a lot of the longer threads, before you decide whether or not you want to give EVE your entertainment dollars. You'll get quite a shock, as the real players like you and I have serious issues you'll never hear about on MMORPG.com with the fanbois. If you want to see all this great "player generated stories," check out the corporation and alliance discussion boards, and get a taste of how deep and thoughtful this community is.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I am guessing by all the posts that mmorpg needs to rework there polling. I have 1 friend that plays EVE I have a hundred people I know playing wow. I know 120 beta'ing LOTRO and about 15 betaing Vanguard.
In my opinion the best game out at the moment is probably wow for sheer numbers. Not the best game but best in numbers.
I can't wait till LOTRO hits the stage and then Warhammer Online. We will see some clear cut winners.
I almost think MMORPG gets paid to let EVE win.
I tried EVE and thought it was horrible. Hard to learn, poor interface, stunning graphics....I don't think so.
Well I didn't check every post here but I think the awards should be thrown out. You need to have all MMORPGS listed to give a fair sampling not just three or four.
Like everyone didn't see those results coming... Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising? Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote. I don't see who would take this seriously anyways. Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote. Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created. Just makes your site look like it gets more hits.
Like everyone else AFCOURCE did we see this comm'n else we would have been blind as we all saw the earlers rounds where everyone had a change to vote for their favorite games and everyone could vote on every single mmorpg out there, just sad for some to see that WoW and EVE have a larger players base then most other games do .It is also terribly sad to read people saying why there only where 3 games to vote on...WAKE UP and visit the site a little more then once a month!!! EVERY MMORPG was there to cast your vote on!!
Why is it that hard for little kids to understand votings??
I really wonder who those sad people are that are blaming the mmorpg staff instead of they should be blaming their selfs because they where to lazy or stupid to cast their votes on their favo games and let other people cast their vote on games you don't like.
I can't inderstand one think. Why all WoW players think this vote is unfair? Despite WoW has many more players than Eve, Eve finally won. You know why? Because WoW players don't care too much for their game, and unless you stop for a while and vote, WoW will never get on the top. WoW should have 6 mil votes on it, but Eve won. I've played WoW's trial and i think is a good game indeed. Instead of complaining, try out Eve. Then you should vote. I'm an Eve player and i think Eve diserved these awards.
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Things are changing my friends, it isn´t what the game can do for you, it is what you can do in the game. Create your own Story.
I think this is the future, it isn´t that the game give you a Story and you have to follow it.
Have a nice day!
You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." We always had that option. In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way. You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.
So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role." You have that anywhere. You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona. You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too. Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you. It relies on player skill.
Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said. The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.
So be careful with EVE. It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is. However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be. So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...
The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account. What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I remember last year a lot of people also complained bout sort of the same things.Maybe it's just better to not do it any more these readers choises i geuss.They did it differently this year to a year back IF i am correct.Like i said in a post before you'll allways have people complaining.If eve wouldn't have won that much probably a lot of eve players would complain caus they felt that they'd been wronged.Maybe they'd just better do a summary of the mmorpg-year and a spot open for people to give a reaction like they do with a lot of reviews/newsitems.
OH and darkone...first of when i write something i expect it to be fully readed and not just partially..secondly keep in mind that unlike you some people don't come from the US and that this is not their native language , so things can be putten in wrong order/meaning at times.Thank you
seeing the best MMORPGs win
or seeing the wounded fanboys of other games whine and cry.
major grats to EVE online. I don't play anymore, but i'm happy to see such a great game succeed.
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WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking
Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.
It's a question of terminology rather than accuracy.
WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking
Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.
Instances are ebil.
Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.
That is right on. With instances there can not be a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.
To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.
And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.
The universe of EVE has all of these.
By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.
Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.
Oh i almost forgot to mentiont hat at the end of this year we are getting Avitars as in your charecter gets out of his gooey pod and can walk around and interact in the various stations. There will be EmotesClothes shops ArenasShops etc also the devs ahve stated if we want something in this aprt of eve just say so in the Featueres and ideas section of the forums if it can be done and is popular then it will be.
Aslo space wise enviromwents are getting added such as various nebula types that span 10's of thousands of Kilometres.
We are also getting system wide asteroid belts that are so big you need scanner brobes just to navigate through them.
So yea EvE is improving and i do agree EvE does lack in certain areas but that seems to graduly be changing.
One confirmed feature im loking foward to tho is palnetry battles A.K.A planetside like. Ill bring along my Battlecruiser to help out in those
The player driven story is generally fought out less as people face to face (since we don't have that yet) but as a combination of boardroom battles, political maneuvering, and small to large scale fleet battles.
Oh, it's not everone's cup of tea, but then again, what is?
That is right on. With instances there can not be a story or a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.
To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.
And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.
The universe of EVE has all of these.
By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.
Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.
It could be argued that history of eve is also the story of eve.
On an interesting sidenote tho the devs plan to start a History of eve thingy. As in they intend to document the happenings between the empre corps and alliances of eve and create a history document.
as allready stated - EVE has NO instances in the normal sense (yes - you have missions that are difficult to enter for those who don't run the mission ... but it's not impossible to interfere)
and i know the story "telling" in EVE is different to your concept of story telling. i don't have a problem with it ,that EVE lacks a /dance emote, i don't have a problem that it lacks the visual bling bling of character interaction and that the stories i experience don't have a cinematic quality WHILE i experience it. most of the stories are only spread through written word of after-action reports and through talking with others.
do i think that EVE is unique in the aspect of immersion? dunno, it's my first MMO (and probably my last one too) - i can't comment other MMOs in regards to imersion and story (and as you likely see - i didn't make ANY comment about other MMOs in my post). but as i allready said - to say that EVE has no story is plain wrong - that was my point. and i also have to add - if EVE was sharded like other MMOs it would suck for me - the "one world, one history" is really appealing to me (and i think to others also) - add the persistent world concept and the numbers of players simultanously on the server - you should realize that it's a big living universe .. in this aspect EVE is closer to "second life" than other games (though it still has the classic game approach)
though on one point i can wholeheartly agree with you - EVE is NOT a game for everyone. no game is - but it seems EVE is quite outstanding (or controversary) in this aspect (non-consensual PvP everywhere - only some places where NPCs & gamemechanics interfere AFTER it started, a really complex economy, a quite severe deathpenalty - if you lose a ship, it's lost (lucky us players no permadeath though)) it's the same with music - some prefer easy listening MTV sounds, other prefer metal, the next prefer techno and others prefer experimental music. some kind of musics are listened by more people than others, but numbers don't say anything about "quality" (funny thing is "quality" is absolute subjective - everyone has other criterias)
and if your main concern is that people have to pay money for things they don't want to ... i think we're all old enough to realize that we don't have to play (and pay) a game if we don't like it (no matter if our perception of the game reflects (or not) the reality of the game)
edit: after reading one of the posts above - maybe i should use on some places the term "history" instead of "story" .. but meh ... history is only his story
i play EVE, it still my first MMO (yes, i searched for something till X-OL hits the shelves which will never happen), i trialed some others.
I am living in Empire, sometimes in LowSec with rather occasionally PvP as i cant afford it to lose ships all the time.
so i am doing PvE. Missiones are fine, when i played F2P or Trials, they have quests, nice, yes, but leaving me most times half
a level just with grinding, just to gain the next part of the story.
EVEs diffrent there, the missions may be repitive, but COSMOS isnt as well as exploration isnt, which i like both to do
cause i can handel that with my general held lowbish skills and have fun with it.
Doing that with friends even maximisies it, cause every Complex, every stage need a new tactic to work with, and even
some missions after patches need to be done careful as things change there too and cost you often a ship if you dont care.
I like to have multiple approaches (from diffrent angel) to everything there (friend of mine is even more extrem there as he trys and succeds in doing very hard lvl 4 missions with a caracal and mediocre skills) and have the possibility to try everthing there.
I have played with some hardcore RPers as well, they arent weak, they just play on a smaller lvl which is hard ot access for
a not dedicated player, even when its just about simple things as chattings.
the most famous storys still come from other players, may it be those near to me, or the large scams, wars and wins.
Most other MMOs doenst appeal to me, cause of their lvls (ok, sometimes i like to grind lvls, only sometimes), classes (i dont like to be restricited in what i am doing, cause its easier to balance), skill caps (same as before), way to go in their world (quests) and endgame
content (nah, same way all over till the updates/expansions come, where i havnt even done all 3-4/10 complexes in EVE).
There is no game that has the vast amount of new content routinely added in free patches that Eve does.
There is no game where 30000 players at a time on the same server create their own storyline.
There aren't many games where getting killed in PVP actually means as much as it does in Eve, so you actually care if you get shot, and have the adrenaline rush as a result.
There aren't many games where the developers will go out on the lash with players and wear pink wigs for a laugh.
New graphical enhancements and huge amounts of new content have completely revitalised Eve. Its good for another 10 years and another 300,000 subscribers.
Hats off to CCP
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'Argueing with an Eve player is like argueing with a religous nut. '
See, there you all go again making EVE out to be something its not. Its alright to like the game, but you are deliberately making EVE out to be something other than it is. You may not like my posts, or think they are fair. One thing for certain though is you'll never see Beatnik59 ask you to shell out money based on hype that's too good to be true.
There is nothing "unique" about how players "shape the story." At one time, you actually had server wide events, etc. You don't see that so much anymore, and storylines that have been around for a year have never been touched by CCP. These days, its the same old twink versus twink ePeen contest you have seen in later pre-CU SWG, you see in WoW, and every other game where player clans compete against eachother for uberness. Not only that, but its stale. A lot really doesn't change from day to day. For months, nothing really changed all that much map wise, and still, the changes amount to so little, all things considered.
Also, the notion that you get more "free" content from EVE is a myth as well. You get paid expansions in games like EQ2, CoH, and WoW, but what you don't often hear about is how much free content you get, and keep on getting, long after you subscribe. I don't have any paid expansions for EQ2, but they gave me over 200 new quests, new writs, new areas, and new features, and I was able to see it for myself without paying SOE one thin dime this year. Unlike CCP, SOE, NCSoft, and others will give people who bought the box "free time" to play awhile on their dime.
Meanwhile, after paying since January, on two accounts, all I got was one third of the expansion they promised in spring, a few new ship designs, a ton of bugs and lag, and some asian character models. So really, all things considered, you really don't get much more value,when you actually stop,cut through the hype, and really see what you get. You pay just as much, if not more, with EVE than you do in other MMOs. The reason being, you really have to spend a lot of money to really understand if "EVE is for you," and if if it isn't for you, nobody is going to give that money back. All you'll get are these fanbois like LordSlater, Snakey, and Minsc tell you how stupid you are, how you aren't playing the "right way (its funny how EVE ceases to become a sandbox where there is "no right way to play," after you pay your $20 fee)," and to quit whining.
Before you check out EVE, take a look at the general discussion forum on the EVE website to see what the EVE players have to say about this "award winning" game. Read it carefully, and take your time to read a lot of the longer threads, before you decide whether or not you want to give EVE your entertainment dollars. You'll get quite a shock, as the real players like you and I have serious issues you'll never hear about on MMORPG.com with the fanbois. If you want to see all this great "player generated stories," check out the corporation and alliance discussion boards, and get a taste of how deep and thoughtful this community is.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I am guessing by all the posts that mmorpg needs to rework there polling. I have 1 friend that plays EVE I have a hundred people I know playing wow. I know 120 beta'ing LOTRO and about 15 betaing Vanguard.
In my opinion the best game out at the moment is probably wow for sheer numbers. Not the best game but best in numbers.
I can't wait till LOTRO hits the stage and then Warhammer Online. We will see some clear cut winners.
I almost think MMORPG gets paid to let EVE win.
I tried EVE and thought it was horrible. Hard to learn, poor interface, stunning graphics....I don't think so.
Well I didn't check every post here but I think the awards should be thrown out. You need to have all MMORPGS listed to give a fair sampling not just three or four.
Like everyone else AFCOURCE did we see this comm'n else we would have been blind as we all saw the earlers rounds where everyone had a change to vote for their favorite games and everyone could vote on every single mmorpg out there, just sad for some to see that WoW and EVE have a larger players base then most other games do .It is also terribly sad to read people saying why there only where 3 games to vote on...WAKE UP and visit the site a little more then once a month!!! EVERY MMORPG was there to cast your vote on!!
Why is it that hard for little kids to understand votings??
I really wonder who those sad people are that are blaming the mmorpg staff instead of they should be blaming their selfs because they where to lazy or stupid to cast their votes on their favo games and let other people cast their vote on games you don't like.
Welcome to democratie !!!