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How much money is Eve Online paying this webpage?
Johnark
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Eve Online won tons of awards off this site. It's voted as the best MMORPG off this site. Yet this MMORPG has never had more than 130,000 subscribers worldwide. I tried it myself and simply hated it. It should not even belong to a site with the letters "RPG" written in it! It's not a MMO(RPG). It's a MMOG. A scifi space strategy/action massive multiplayer game.
That's why it always made me wonder. how much is that company paying you guys, www.mmorpg.com to boost their game, make it look like it's the best MMOG out there, when games like World of Warcraft's population keeps increasing and will soon reach 8 million players in just 2 weeks with the 1st expansion. With games like Lineage II still dominating the asian MMORPG market with over 1 million players.
And here you have some multiplayer scifi space strategy/action game that somehow manages to get on the top of on a webpage dedicated to Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAMES.
So admit it, mmorpg.com. How much are they paying you to make sure Eve Online stays on the top to attract customers? It's funny how it works though. Many times I see people write: "OMG WoW SUCKS!!!! I'm gonna go play Eve Online, I heard it was awesome" ... then not even a few days later, they are back in WoW saying how much Eve Online sucked.
That's why it always made me wonder. how much is that company paying you guys, www.mmorpg.com to boost their game, make it look like it's the best MMOG out there, when games like World of Warcraft's population keeps increasing and will soon reach 8 million players in just 2 weeks with the 1st expansion. With games like Lineage II still dominating the asian MMORPG market with over 1 million players.
And here you have some multiplayer scifi space strategy/action game that somehow manages to get on the top of on a webpage dedicated to Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAMES.
So admit it, mmorpg.com. How much are they paying you to make sure Eve Online stays on the top to attract customers? It's funny how it works though. Many times I see people write: "OMG WoW SUCKS!!!! I'm gonna go play Eve Online, I heard it was awesome" ... then not even a few days later, they are back in WoW saying how much Eve Online sucked.
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A WoW players that disliked EVE.. What a chocker!
The fact that a WoW player dislike another game somehow means that the game is bad for all people.. How surprising!
And to that add the fact that since a WoW player disliked a mature game, and other people on a site dedicated to real MMOs likes it, must mean that all others are paid to like it, not that they have a different taste. Yeah, that must be it!
Its funny, you never have to make fun of the young ignorant kiddies in WoW and how they think.... They do it so well themselves.
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Well EVE was the only game to link to vote-section of awards from their main site (again). So EVE-players zerged to mmorpg.com & voted.
Also its fine not to like it. I like it but it couldn't hold my attention and i quit. It is a very deep game and many people who just dismiss it never tried it or just play for a short amount of time and did not find the part of the game that they would like. Compared to many other games it is innovative and deep. I don't think that I would really call it the best game, but when the voting choices are EVE and WOW...
A "guy" after playing WOW for 6 months says;
"OMG WoW SUCKS!!!! I´m gonna go play Eve-Online, I heard it was awesome"
Two weeks later (after free trial) same guy says;
"Eve-online sucks!! (I didn´t understand the game)
I mean which "review" is more accurate by looking at the time he spend on each game?
Just an advise, talk about games you have really tested, otherwise u might end up looking like a fool, like you just did.
So long
You have a point; however:
- The staff doesn't vote. The staff itself award EvE only a few awards, which it may or not be worthy off.
- I only see 1 add about EvE, so I assume AO is paying this site more than EvE. Sony is prolly among the top customers as well.
- Planetside, WW2, A Tale in the Desert, There...they could all be argued as not been a MMO-RPG as well, yet they are there and entitled a chance at winning, just like the others.
- Strategy is prolly the "closest" genre most RPG players bear or play, even if Strategy isn't RPG, it is certainly going to be quite close to RPGs, because despite been quite distinct genres, they often interest the same players. Strategies games and RPGs games appeal to patient players, to builders, to achievers. If a non-RPG title walk away with prizes, it is only natural that it is a strategy, due to all the similitudes the player-base has to share to enjoy both.
Personnally I am waiting to see if they make something nice with Whitewolf; if not I will contact Black Dog to hunt them down!
(TBH all the way) Hopefully not an expended version of Trade Wars for the BBS, but something more fun.
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Anyways, this seems thread seems to follow a familiar pattern on this website, with the OP disliking Eve and the ensuing posts are made up of people calling the OP a fanboi.
Still...
While I admit I did laugh at the post when I originally saw it, you can always wonder
Personally in the awards when it was down to Eve or WoW I chose Eve. I don't play Eve; I don't even like the game. I just hate WoW. That's kind of the issue with 1 vs 1 votes like that.
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Imo EVE Online deserves to win. WoW or L2 could've won easily with their amount of subscribers, but either the fanbase, companies, or both don't care much in particular to who wins.
EVE Online has much to gain from these awards, advertisement, prestige, which equals more subscribers hopefully. WoW imo couldn't care less about subscribers atm lol...
Well EVE was the only game to link to vote-section of awards from their main site (again). So EVE-players zerged to mmorpg.com & voted.
It's funny how you mention this. I recall seeing a number of posts in the WoW forums about this competition. So, let's say that 10% of the WoW players actually read the forums from time to time. Now, going on the ever-popular number of 8M subscribers, that would be 800,000 people who read the forums.
Now, if 25% of those forum readers cared enough about their game to follow the link and vote, that would have been 200,000 players all probably voting for WoW. That's almost as much as the ENTIRE number of EVE subscriptions, including people with more than one account, people who have left the game, and people who don't ever check the web page.
So, saying that all the EVE players "zerged" the site is a little rediculous when if the WoW players gave 2 **** about WoW or actually thought they deserved to win, they could have crushed this vote very easily.
I guess EVE just has a more dedicated player base, which I think in and of itself says something about the quality of the game.
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better 170k of good ppl that 1 million of whiners and "n00bs" (whit n00b i mean ppl that like be uber in 3 days, and play the game alone like single player )
u know why only 170k because almost of 70% of trials dont pay EVE and quit is HARD damn HARD ( because almost force ppl to get friends/corp ) and only the best player stay and that is good 4 the game
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I think eve has the most people at this site because I think alot of people come here when they are looking for a new mmo. When they see eve at the top they try it and realize it’s a good game so they stick with it.
I think eve deserves the awards it got. besides the graphics one, I know it says favorite graphics not best but still its a wallpaper with some cool ships, nothing to special
Any way I played eve for a while but in the end I can't stand their skill system, I would rather do stuff in game to lvl up instead of watch my bar progress through time
They need to make a game like this with some swords, magic and avatars
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That's how some idiots read in game. And yes, these people should be shut out the game.
I play or have played every mmorpg I've encountered, I still play World of Warcraft, Star Wars Galaxies and of course EVE Online. I enjoy all three. I like WoW's ease to be picked up and played by anyone, EVE's monumental depth and freedom, and Star Wars Galaxies 'Star Wars-ee-ness.' If you asked me to pick, I'm not sure I would be able to.
Basically all you chumps out there shouting in local " I hate that other online game! All it's players are gay!" Grow up or we'll come and take away your toys and make you take a timeout in the naughty corner.
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Saying EVE isn't an MMORPG is moronic, at least. Every player in the game has a role they fill. Whether you want to understand that or not. Even more so than in most other MMO's (WoW for example) people in EVE fill a role and play their ROLE every single day. Are you making ISK for your corporation by running missions? Then you're filling a role as a mission runner. Are you crafting to create ships for your corporation? Then you're filling your ROLE as a crafter/manufacturer. Are you hauling gear/ore/equipment/ships for your alliance? Then you are filling your ROLE as a hauler. Are you flying a intercepter to tackle for your fleet? Then you are filling a ROLE as a tackler. Are you flying an ECM ship to jam the enemy? Then you are filling a ROLE as a Electronics Warfare specialist. Are you flying a sniper to hit things at extreme range? Then you are filling a ROLE as a sniper. Are you spending hours in the recruitment forums answering questions and getting new people into the corporation? then you are filling your ROLE as a recruiter... the list goes on. EVERYTHING you do in EVE is related to one role or another. Role Playing isn't just about thee's and thou's.
As to how many subscribers the game has? You are again mistaken: EVE currently has over 160,000 subscribers worldwide (NOT including China, where there are another 300,000 *players* in the beta there). Sure it's not 7 million but by any standard 160,000 subscriptions is a lot. Just because you wow kiddies don't understand the MMO industry doesn't mean 160,000 isn't a successful MMO.... Clue: 50,000 is a successful MMO.... 160,000 is wildly successful. WOW, by the way, is literally off the charts in the measure of how successful an MMO can be.
You cite Lineage II as 'dominating" the asian market but there are 3 or 4 other games IN ASIA that have more players than it? How can that be? Fact: Lineage II has less than 60,000 players in the US & Europe combined. It's one of the smallest MMO's in that region of the world. Does that make it less of an MMO somehow? No.... it doesn't.... neither does your silly statements about EVE make it any less of an MMORPG.
As to your statements about CCP Paying MMORPG.COM? They pay for advertisements. Just a clue:
The ratings system here is done by the members of the site. We vote on the games. Our votes are what make the games where they are in the rankings. The ranks of the games on this site are 100% determined, not by the MMORPG staff, but by the site members who vote on them. Don't like the ranks? Too bad, they are what they are.
Same for the recent readers choice rewards. I don't agree that EVE has the best PVE around, I think EQ2 deserved that title.... but that's how the voting went. Not much I can do about that but pissing and moaning about things is just idiotic.
And, of course, if you don't like the site you can always vote with your feet.
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Let me explain why WoW is no RPG:
From Wikipedia Interaction in WoW is like finding a group or joining a guild. However, it ends up in some instace dungeon killing Monsters. Instaced dungeon contradicts with the concept of interaction the virtual world. Furthermore there is virtually no crafting, exploring, trade, or pvp. You think stealing or marking a flag is rpg pvp? Think again.
There is no way of a character can influence and change the world of warcraft. Whatever you do, when you log off the world is exactly the same as it was before your apperance.
Why should you create content when the publisher can do this for you? Why should you think when someone else can do this for you?
By saying that since WoW has more players than Eve, you have introduced an entirely new argument. Look at Scions of Fate (recently re-named from Yulgang). They have 35 MILLION international players. Therefore, following your argument, that game, which isn't even released in the USA yet, should be better than WoW. However, everyone here knows that it doesn't work like that. Just because WoW is more popular doesn't mean that it is necessarily a BETTER game.
Some players I know started playing EVE long time ago. Many left after a year or two just to try out Lineage (not a bad game I think) or WOW (bad game I think) but guess what... ALL CAME BACK!!! Yes, all of them, 100%, came back to play EVE. No more flower picking for them, not it's intergalactic wars with 500+ people in a single battle instead of 500- on the same server. This is where true EVE quality lies, once you like it you will always like it. If you prefer grass harvesting to space combat then you are probably not going to like EVE at all. There is also no clothes to be designed either. You can build an outpost though if you are into building stuff.
So before you start giving me 'ooooh ccp must be paying you guys gazillions of dollars' tell me few things... how many people tried WOW and gave up? What is the average age of WOW gamer? And most importantly - HOW MUCH MONEY DID BLIZZARD INVEST INTO HYPING WOW FOR YEARS ALL OVER THIS PLANET?
Let me answer those questions for you:
1. Millions, 2. if X is average age of EVE player then x-10 is average age of WOW player, 3. More then CCP invested into making a game. In fact many good games could have been made with money Blizzard spent on hyping it's creation. 'He who pays wins' is the world we live in so I don't mind them advertising it's product.
Due to it's quality EVE will exist for years to come while WOW will start dying out as soon as another big-hype-flower-picking-game comes along. Maybe even sooner. Look at SWG. EVE will grow while WOW will stagnate and die. Look at DIABLO II. Instead of development Blizzard killed it. Why? To kill competition for WOW. Diablo would have been much better mmorpg imho. Or Starcraft... ouch, I would pay for that!
And finally becouse EVE does deliver to a player EVE fanbase is very loyal. WOW fanbase is... well, some don't even care about pools or mmorpg gamesites becouse WOW is just a toy for them. Go pick some flowers, then have lunch, then quickly kill some orcs, then go shopping. Vote? What for???
I don't mean to disrespect WOW player base. You guys play what you like and no one can take that away or dispute your taste. I just want you to remember my words when you get tired of WOW (lvl60 boredom complex anyone?). On that day I will still be training skills in EVE and conquering new space, destroying alliances or fighting over some rare resource. I will probably be able to fly 100+ different shiptypes with about 100x100 different setups but hey! Diversity is not always a good thing you know
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I do love conspiracy theories, but I'm afraid this one's pretty weak.
Now, on the subject of the forum advertisement: It's been quite a while since I was a WoW subscriber, but I don't remember the forums being filled with people who were exactly thrilled with the game. Now, in my experience that's pretty common with most large MMOs' official forums, the majority of posting members are there to complain about balance issues, bugs, loot tables or somesuch.(or at least the loudest ones)
Anyway, my point is that I wouldn't trust a post on the WoW official forums to net a lot of positive support in the awards. On the other hand the MMORPG.com forums have been well-tread by both a large number of happily biased EVE fans and unhappily biased ex-Wow players for a long time. The results shouldn't really be a surprise to anybody.
That being said, while I do like EVE, it was kind of a disappointing low for the awards this year. I had to laugh out loud when I saw the "Best PvE" award went to it. PvE in EVE is only barely more complicated than asteroid mining.
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This conversation is almost amusing. ...almost.
I've played SWG, EQ2, WOW, Matrix & hell.. I even tried Planetside. Now I'm playing EVE. All I will say is this... WoW has a bunch of subscribers and is probably making more money than every organized religion and third world country combined. Congrats to them. But need not use their fiscal ratings to be like.. "Ha! You suck! We have more doods than u!"
Because, in all honest, WoW is for some people... EvE is for others.....
Well EVE was the only game to link to vote-section of awards from their main site (again). So EVE-players zerged to mmorpg.com & voted.
It's funny how you mention this. I recall seeing a number of posts in the WoW forums about this competition. So, let's say that 10% of the WoW players actually read the forums from time to time. Now, going on the ever-popular number of 8M subscribers, that would be 800,000 people who read the forums.
Now, if 25% of those forum readers cared enough about their game to follow the link and vote, that would have been 200,000 players all probably voting for WoW. That's almost as much as the ENTIRE number of EVE subscriptions, including people with more than one account, people who have left the game, and people who don't ever check the web page.
So, saying that all the EVE players "zerged" the site is a little rediculous when if the WoW players gave 2 **** about WoW or actually thought they deserved to win, they could have crushed this vote very easily.
I guess EVE just has a more dedicated player base, which I think in and of itself says something about the quality of the game.
No not linked in EVE-forums but on the frontpage of official site. If Blizzard would link to the awards on their frontpage then WoW would have won everything, I mean come on, "Best PvE is in EVE"?
Also I stoppped caring about WoW forums about 10m after they went live.
Ok,. first off. Role playing in not just filling a role IE, miner, explorer, tackler.. It's actually playing in character as your avatar would.
Note: Avatar, if you use the term Toon you are not only Not a role player but don't comperhend what role playing is.
That being said, there are people that Role Play in every game even is they are Role playing an Azzhat (which some roleplayers do a very convincing job in EVE).
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The only time someone is essentially NOT in character is when they are talking about current-day stuff.
The only time someone is essentially NOT in character is when they are talking about current-day stuff.
100% true
Also there are plenty of people who COMPLETELY roleplay their characters in EVE. There's even a guy in our alliance who refers to his character 100% of the time in the 3rd person. IE: his name is john, his characters name is joe (not really but that's my example). when people ask if anyone is available to go on an op he always answers "joe is ready to assist, where do you need him"? Ok to YOU that's not roleplaying but to HIM it is. His explanation: "If I were playing ME I'd never get out of highsec.... as JOE, however, I can come to 0.0 and risk life and limb daily. " (not an exact quote).
So you can say we don't roleplay in EVE all you want but the fact of the matter is: We do. Just as much, if not more, than any other game out there. After all... we build empires. I command fleets... in the real world I jockey a network... in EVE I jockey a fleet of ships. How is that NOT roleplaying? Hmm? I'm no fleet commander in RL... highest rank I got in the military, when I was in it, was E5. But in EVE I am a well respected leader of entire fleets of ships costing billions of ISK in total. 2 MONTHS ago in EVE I was merely a guy in a cruiser... My how I've grown.. Sure I am still just a follower MOST of the time but when push comes to shove my alliance trusts me to lead it's fleets in battle.
THAT is roleplaying, my friend.... it is absolutely 100% roleplaying. Whether you want to admit it or not. I don't go around asking people for sitreps on star systems in RL so exactly what would YOU call it?.
Oh... also... when you are NOT in game it is perfectly ok to refer to your character as an avatar, a toon, a character or whatever else you want to call it. Why? Because in REAL LIFE you are not that character, it's just... a character. When in GAME I refer to my character in first person. *I* am Taram Caldar when I'm in game. When I'm at work or not in game Taram is just a 'toon' or a 'character' or my 'avatar' in the game that is EVE online.
The fact that lejohn doesn't understand that is pretty scary, TBH.
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