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Rediculous how can you complain?
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Just Curious thing to all the pples complaining about the timesinks. you complain about having to run back to your body or loosing a few hours of xp over a decent death penalty. you complain about how travel time should instant travel so you can go anywhere where ever you feel like it without any kind of time invested. You have all of these complaints that these are FORCED time sinks that you cant stand.
So let me ask you how is being forced to raid THE SAME ZONE over and over and over for the chance to get a piece of epic gear not fit into this catagory of forced time sink? I mean serousley no matter how much you say you love it you know after the 50th time youve been through one of those instances to TRY and get that UBER SWORD OF GNOME BASHING!! that sooner or later it gets very tired and repetitive and just not very fun.
I just fail to see how the supposed MILLIONS of satisfied WoW boys that spend MONTHS tring to get 1 friekin piece of UBER LOOTS!! can even justify coming to this forum to coplain about lil things like having an actual penalty when you die, or having to actually spend a bit of time to go places. Then again i guess because its WoW its ok right?
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They complain because they want their game to be the best and the ignorant ones don't want any competition. They don't see that competition is a healthy thing and without it blizzard would just do what they want. WoW fans are largely new to the genre and think that WoW is the rule and not the exception that it truly is.
Instant gratification is not what MMORPG's were about before WoW came into the picture. You had to put in your time to be uber. Now that WoW is here people don't want to have to wait or even group (
) to get great rewards. Vanguard has the potential to be truly great and this strikes fear into some peoples hearts so they spread half-truths and misinformation to try and bash it.
The same thing happened when EQ was release. A couple of r/l friends told me it was "gay" and not to play it. I listened to the idiots. I wish I hadn't later when I went and tried it for myself and found it to be an addictive awesome game. The timesinks are what make them so intriguing to me and what keeps me playing. I played EQ for 3 years, WoW for about 4 months. I got to level 55 in WoW and just thought "ugh, this is so boring." One day I typed /quit while riding a gryphon because I got so sick of riding them and I never went back.
Vanguard will be for those WoW fans who think "WoW is great but it is a bit too easy." not for the WoW fans who think "WoW is the greatest game and a challenge!".
The time sinks never botherd me in eq what i loved most about that game and always will is that you never knew what would exactly happen every time you went into a zone. Sure all of these people say oo i dont want to have a penalty because IM AN ADVENTUREERRR, in WoW we can go in any zone and just look around if we die its a FREE RIDE BACK TO TOWN YEA!!!
Well you couldnt do that with eq Even if you were prepaired for it or sometimes unless you were WAY over lvl for the zone you could still die because it had that unpredictability about almost every zone. Serousley how many times were you sitting in the barrens and hear someone say something anyhing like sitting in oasis and hear SPECTRE or SAND GIANT in the shout channel and actualy have a bit of fear of omg um where am i at in the zone again? lol i loved that but no we have to go bck to the everyone knows exaclty everything and no risk at all.
and THATS why i stand firm on having a decent death penalty. As I quoted before from one of the Producer's at blizzard "our's isn't really a penalty as it is just a minor annoyance for players" lol....awwwww poor little baybeees...we dont wanna make'ms mad..just tug at'm a wittle bit. Im sorry people but death penalties like in WoW and SWG(now anyway) are nothing but unexpected teleports back to town lol.
I like knowing that because dieing in the game really really sucks, it adds a bit of fear to certain mobs..and it didn't really matter whether you had an online guide telling you "this mob hits hard!" lol...you forgot about all that when he WAS hitting you. There has to be times in the game where you go somewhere and end up thinking "this might be a little too harsh..gonna turn around and come back some other time with more people" its GOTTA be there..or else this free-for-all go anywhere is every bit as boring as people thinking medding is boring. If you can visit most of the world in a span of a week, translation: its too easy! I like know that there are zones I'm not even zoning INTO or in this case going towards for several levels. I remember my first trip through Firiona Vie and seeing the drachnids fo rthe first time, and having to get through them to get to Lake of Ill Omen...everytime I zoned there I literally stood at the bridge leading out for like 5 minutes trying to sike myself up for running through there. and ya know what, I love that fear! And I hope Vanguard has that as well.
I do love the smell of intolerance for differing viewpoints in the afternoon.
Now, I realize that this concept may very well shatter your minds, but not everyone equates having their time wasted with challenge. Corpse runs aren't a challenge, well, aside from challenging my patience.
Here's a novel idea. Rather than relying on bland, dated time sinks, we get a game with mob AI that's more than whack-a-mole circa 2000? Ya'll bitch and moan about how WoW was so easy, and there was no depth, blah, blah. And VG is somehow superior because you lose a bunch of xp, and spend 20+ minutes running back to your corpse?
Ah well, at least the thunderous replies of "You are teh WoW kiddiez, you want everything handed to you, hehe, I are original with the insults today" are good for a chuckle.
well dont know what to say to ya princess..play vanguard...see that it is all those things you think are not intellectually to your level..uninstall said Vanguard and go play something else. I just love the fact that people that love WoW..want WoW to be everywhere in every game...frick'n WHY??? lol Is WoW not good enough being WoW on its own?? You need every game to be just like that?? Thats why all those fighting game clones that came out after street fighter and mortal kombat completely stunk (Virtua Fighter excluded)..they all just wanted to be the same thing that was already out there. I like the things that you think are time sinks..I believe there are reasons for those being there...I don't mean absolutely just like EQ (we were just reminiscing lol...sorry it bothered you..not really) but at least some consequences to making mistakes. If its combat you either win or die..how hard of a concept is this for you people to swallow...You guys want to just "sort of die but not really..maybe more like a bruise on the knee" Good lord, get a game shark and go play console if it bothers ya so much lol.
Well I can in fact complain about how ridiculous it is that you cant even spell Ridiculous!!!
As for the other stuff - I have never played a game with harsh death penalties or time sinks - so you are correct I cant complain about those as I have no experience with them to be able to compare them to something else or even comment on them.
Apart from the travelling thing - I have commented a few times on that.
If I understand you correctly you are trying to figure out why WoW fans complain that Vanguard has time sinks even though the end game raids in WoW is a big time sink? Well this is the thing- Blizzard claims that less than 5% of WoW fanbase engages in raiding (dont take my word on this I read this number here on this site I'd encourage you to visit sites and form your own opinion). I personally didnt know too many ppl that were lucky enough to spare 5-7 hrs to raid 2-3 times a week. Everyone I know is around my age and have wife / kids / job. Thus, when we hit 60 we did pvp and maybe every so often we'd hit up an instance together for fun. but we neevr raided much at all. was just too much drama and time consuming
So, if majority of WoW fanbase do not raid then its safe to assume they like to be able to see all the content in the game at a fast/fair rate.
personally I'm not sure why they need death penalty I'm not sure how they even fits into the background of the game. Anyway, I'm not one of the haters you refer to though- I never come here to post complaints. I only came here to get info about the open beta. but yeah WoW was like my 2nd MMO so yeah im spoiled and probably wont be able to enjoy vanguard cause I realize its a hardcore PvE game that will no doubt take a long time to hit cap. But I'll at least take a quick look if I have time
Thanks for proving my point. Princess.
Did you even read beyond the first sentence in my post? Am I using to many big words?
Here, lemme try again. Just for you.
I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW.
Has that sunk in yet? Lemme give you a moment for that to rattle about in your head for a bit.
Still with me? Good. I. don't. find. timesinks. challenging. Now, in case I lost you, that doesn't mean I don't want a challenge. I do want a challenge. But, again, timesinks aren't a challenge. Mobs that display more than one behavioral state are a challenge. For many, having to actually read the quest text presents a challenge. Running naked from the altar to my corpse? Not a challenge. Not fear, or respect inducing. And that ignores the fact that if you carry a second set of gear in you saddlebag, you don't even have to do it nekkid. Which makes it pretty much a pointless waste of my time.
In case it's splipped your mind, I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW. I. WANT. CHALLENGING. GAMEPLAY. Not tedious, artificial timesinks. Savvy?
Thanks for proving my point. Princess.
Did you even read beyond the first sentence in my post? Am I using to many big words?
Here, lemme try again. Just for you.
I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW.
Has that sunk in yet? Lemme give you a moment for that to rattle about in your head for a bit.
Still with me? Good. I. don't. find. timesinks. challenging. Now, in case I lost you, that doesn't mean I don't want a challenge. I do want a challenge. But, again, timesinks aren't a challenge. Mobs that display more than one behavioral state are a challenge. For many, having to actually read the quest text presents a challenge. Running naked from the altar to my corpse? Not a challenge. Not fear, or respect inducing. And that ignores the fact that if you carry a second set of gear in you saddlebag, you don't even have to do it nekkid. Which makes it pretty much a pointless waste of my time.
In case it's splipped your mind, I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW. I. WANT. CHALLENGING. GAMEPLAY. Not tedious, artificial timesinks. Savvy?
whatever you say slick, but if you, apparently, dont like these types of features that seem like will be present in Vanguard..as far as certain time sinks are concerned..what the fuck are you doing here? lol You obviously hate SOE..and feel like Sigil is in bed with them and that it's going to ruin the game (from past posts you have made)..are you even going to try it?
And sorry I took your post the wrong way..wow didn't know I walked into Tender Town..sorry to scuff those pretty red shoes of yours Lightbulb.
Thanks for proving my point. Princess.
Did you even read beyond the first sentence in my post? Am I using to many big words?
Here, lemme try again. Just for you.
I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW.
Has that sunk in yet? Lemme give you a moment for that to rattle about in your head for a bit.
Still with me? Good. I. don't. find. timesinks. challenging. Now, in case I lost you, that doesn't mean I don't want a challenge. I do want a challenge. But, again, timesinks aren't a challenge. Mobs that display more than one behavioral state are a challenge. For many, having to actually read the quest text presents a challenge. Running naked from the altar to my corpse? Not a challenge. Not fear, or respect inducing. And that ignores the fact that if you carry a second set of gear in you saddlebag, you don't even have to do it nekkid. Which makes it pretty much a pointless waste of my time.
In case it's splipped your mind, I. DON'T. PLAY. WoW. I. WANT. CHALLENGING. GAMEPLAY. Not tedious, artificial timesinks. Savvy?
whatever you say slick, but if you, apparently, dont like these types of features that seem like will be present in Vanguard..as far as certain time sinks are concerned..what the fuck are you doing here? lol You obviously hate SOE..and feel like Sigil is in bed with them and that it's going to ruin the game (from past posts you have made)..are you even going to try it?
And sorry I took your post the wrong way..wow didn't know I walked into Tender Town..sorry to scuff those pretty red shoes of yours Lightbulb.
Realistically because they are the "whiners", they'll nay say about the game ad nauseam but they'll still buy it and they'll still complain endlessly until its turned into a 4 year old girly fest where everything can be accomplished/acquired in less than 10 minutes. I don't feel superior because I want a deeper game, I just don't like the style of WoW/EQ2. EQ was a persistent world and so was SWG until SOE screwed the pooch trying to turn it into "Space WoW". I contend that there is a market for games like Vanguard because there are plenty of people on the forums who seem to want them. I don't find 24 hour raiding of the same tired instances for "The Cuirass of ub3r l33tness", so I can wave my E-willy around to be fun, as I said, to each their own!
QFE!
I laughed especially hard at the guy saying "back in the day, we had to WORK to become uber!"
I remember the days when playing an RPG was about the stories you walked away with, the adventures, the exploration, the BUILDING. Yes, we had items that BROKE and we made NEW ones. We also had BUILDINGS (and in some games, vehicles) which added another level of depth. People didn't kill monsters to level-up and "rox0rz!1!," they killed monsters because the monsters were fun to kill, or because there was something interesting on the other side.
All this talk about "hardcore" carries the stench of people wanting a more brutally boring and mind-numbing game than WoW already is. It's a lose-lose situation, guys. It's time to start thinking for yourself now.
Frankly I don't see how running back to your corpse and losing EXP makes a game any deeper but hey, what do I know. I only played EQ1 for like 5 years.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
QFE!
I laughed especially hard at the guy saying "back in the day, we had to WORK to become uber!"
I remember the days when playing an RPG was about the stories you walked away with, the adventures, the exploration, the BUILDING. Yes, we had items that BROKE and we made NEW ones. We also had BUILDINGS (and in some games, vehicles) which added another level of depth. People didn't kill monsters to level-up and "rox0rz!1!," they killed monsters because the monsters were fun to kill, or because there was something interesting on the other side.
All this talk about "hardcore" carries the stench of people wanting a more brutally boring and mind-numbing game than WoW already is. It's a lose-lose situation, guys. It's time to start thinking for yourself now.
As opposed to the "Smurfiness" of WoW
Quote one post where I've said Sigil was in bed with SOE.
As for trying it? I'll tell you when the NDA is lifted.
Red shoes? Lightbulb? Ok, I admit, you lost me here. Obscure reference to a movie? Lame attempt at an insult?
Quote one post where I've said Sigil was in bed with SOE.
As for trying it? I'll tell you when the NDA is lifted.
Red shoes? Lightbulb? Ok, I admit, you lost me here. Obscure reference to a movie? Lame attempt at an insult?
Why would you even bother to try a game that has so many dynamics that you say you don't like? You do seem like an SOE hater AFAIAC. It's like I said in another post, some people act like they are forced to come here and complain. You aren't. You can leave at anytime
You have said in the past ((no Im not going to waste the time to go back and find your exact words..which is handy for you, as you'll no doubt have your "SEE YOU CANT FIND ANYTHING" locked and loaded)) that SOE will ruin this game just like SWG, yadda-yadda-fuck'n-yadda.
As for my remarks...it's only equivalently as lame as you're 'poor man's winston churchhill with a dry slice of humor' speeches are. Besides, It entertained ME..and that's all that matters as far as message boards go..savvy?
Well, it's entertaining me as well. Win/win for all involved, I guess.
And no, I never said SOE would ruin the game. Unless they do a piss poor job of marketing it, or use subpar servers. Any fault for the game itself lies squarely on the shoulders of Sigil.
And SWG was ruined by a team effort FWIW. And Jedi. Only thing I'd say that I could fault SOE for was the PoP expansion, and making some questionable customer service calls back in the day. Hell, they've done a rather good job of turning EQ2 around from launch.
well I'll drink to all that cause Im bored now..and flame fighting has lost its entertainment for the night..not because of you by any stretch of my morbid imagination, just getting tired lol...
You did say one thing I agree with...Jedi did ruin SWG..along withe the CU/NGE...more so the NGE. I've tried it since and frankly I'd rather put a cigarette out in my eyeball. I said somewhere before: They should just call it Jedi vs Bounty Hunter : Rise of the Commandoes..because that is the only 3 proff's you see running around now.