What section of the vgclient.ini file are these changes supposed to go in? I don't see them existing in the file, so I can only assume I am supposed to add them?
This thread made Vanguard playable for me. It used to be so laggy I just about wanted to quit playing beta, but with the tweaks, Vanguard plays like WoW. And it looks about 10 times better than WoW
What section of the vgclient.ini file are these changes supposed to go in? I don't see them existing in the file, so I can only assume I am supposed to add them? AnisotropicFiltering=off
UseJoystick=False
UsePrecaching=True
UseTrilinear=False
UseCubemaps=False
ReduceMouseLag=False
UseTripleBuffering=True
UseVSync=True
UseSound=False
GlobalHardwareSkinning=True
TextureDetailWorld=5
RenderQuality=5
I have my pre-optimized copy saved, and I compared it to the new one - version 14 is missing a lot of the options. The [General] line went from having around 30 lines (including the ones you listed) to having two. I doubt adding them in would affect anything now.
That could be why a lot of people have been reporting higher FPS with the new patch.
You got to be joking!!? You mean to tell me you want all users to make these 15-20 changes to their computer to run this game? I surely hope this will not be required once the game launches. Great game or not, you can't expect the general public to make such changes to run the game.
You got to be joking!!? You mean to tell me you want all users to make these 15-20 changes to their computer to run this game? I surely hope this will not be required once the game launches. Great game or not, you can't expect the general public to make such changes to run the game.
Besides the defragging which you are supposed to do after you install ANYTHING anyway, it takes literally 60 seconds to make the changes. I don't think the general public is as useless as you think they are.
<<I don't think the general public is as useless as you think they are.>>
I never said the general public was useless. I just believe that is way to much to ask for getting better performance out of a game. It may be ok for beta but not for a release product. Also, I have NEVER heard of anyone defragging their hard drive after installing software. Are you kidding me!!? Yes, regular defrags are a must but I don't do it after every game install. (I actually use software that automatically defrags as needed).
I have not done any of your suggestions but today I did notice a bit of Frame rate improvements. I am sure it will improve over the next few weeks. I will say that EVERYTIME (6-8) I have logged into vanguard the servers have crashed. Hey, but it is beta so I guess that is ok.
BTW -- there is no way you can make those changes in 60 sec the first time doing it. Well, for us "general public" people anyway.
No offense, but I shouldn't have to do this is enable me to play the game. My field of expertise is aviation. Does that mean that when I go somewhere to pick up a passenger that I want them to be able to compute the weight and balance formula for the correct CG of the aircraft or to have them calculate the fuel burn rate? No of course not, and I shouldn't have to reconfigure my operating system to accomodate a game that I might want to play. The program should be able to analyse my system and determine the most optimal settings under which to run effectively on my computer. Once that is accomplished maybe if I have the knowledge base to do so I would then dive in and tweak my system to get the most out of it.
For me however I leave the how to's of computers to the experts, I want to install a program and have it run, just that simple. Brad I hope you're listening because there are a helluva lot more users like me out there than you may realise and I don't want 10 hour downloads of patches and equally long updates to play this game. Nor do I want to have to try and tweak my system to try and accomodate VSoH only to have to change everything back when I go back to playing something else after I get frustrated.
No offense, but I shouldn't have to do this is enable me to play the game. My field of expertise is aviation. Does that mean that when I go somewhere to pick up a passenger that I want them to be able to compute the weight and balance formula for the correct CG of the aircraft or to have them calculate the fuel burn rate? No of course not, and I shouldn't have to reconfigure my operating system to accomodate a game that I might want to play. The program should be able to analyse my system and determine the most optimal settings under which to run effectively on my computer. Once that is accomplished maybe if I have the knowledge base to do so I would then dive in and tweak my system to get the most out of it.
For me however I leave the how to's of computers to the experts, I want to install a program and have it run, just that simple. Brad I hope you're listening because there are a helluva lot more users like me out there than you may realise and I don't want 10 hour downloads of patches and equally long updates to play this game. Nor do I want to have to try and tweak my system to try and accomodate VSoH only to have to change everything back when I go back to playing something else after I get frustrated.
Have you read the tweaks? It takes literally one minute to apply them besides the defragging. Please at least read them before you get all upset about it.
Originally posted by Kurir No offense, but I shouldn't have to do this is enable me to play the game. My field of expertise is aviation. Does that mean that when I go somewhere to pick up a passenger that I want them to be able to compute the weight and balance formula for the correct CG of the aircraft or to have them calculate the fuel burn rate? No of course not, and I shouldn't have to reconfigure my operating system to accomodate a game that I might want to play. The program should be able to analyse my system and determine the most optimal settings under which to run effectively on my computer. Once that is accomplished maybe if I have the knowledge base to do so I would then dive in and tweak my system to get the most out of it.For me however I leave the how to's of computers to the experts, I want to install a program and have it run, just that simple. Brad I hope you're listening because there are a helluva lot more users like me out there than you may realise and I don't want 10 hour downloads of patches and equally long updates to play this game. Nor do I want to have to try and tweak my system to try and accomodate VSoH only to have to change everything back when I go back to playing something else after I get frustrated.
These tweaks are for the Beta... Since they know people are making these changes to the .ini file, you can expect that there will be changes in the UI to set some of these by default when the installer verifies your hardware configuration. I don't believe any company would expect the end user to go manually editing .ini files.
<<I don't think the general public is as useless as you think they are.>>
I never said the general public was useless. I just believe that is way to much to ask for getting better performance out of a game. It may be ok for beta but not for a release product. Also, I have NEVER heard of anyone defragging their hard drive after installing software. Are you kidding me!!? Yes, regular defrags are a must but I don't do it after every game install. (I actually use software that automatically defrags as needed).
I have not done any of your suggestions but today I did notice a bit of Frame rate improvements. I am sure it will improve over the next few weeks. I will say that EVERYTIME (6-8) I have logged into vanguard the servers have crashed. Hey, but it is beta so I guess that is ok.
BTW -- there is no way you can make those changes in 60 sec the first time doing it. Well, for us "general public" people anyway.
K you're right, it takes around 4 minutes. After you learn where everything is though it takes around 40 seconds. I don't think 4 minutes is a lot of time, but hey maybe it is for some people. Please take the 4 minutes out of your life and try the tweaks, you will not be sorry you did. That I can promise you!
Yes I read the information that was provided and sorry but I shouldn't have to change how my system operates to accomodate one game. I know this is Beta but I couldn't care less, if I had to change my system for every game that I play then whats the point. I should simply be able to use the games video and audio controls to adjust the game rather than my having to change my computers settings to play just this game. I won't be downloading old drivers or adjusting INI files either.
I appreciate the fact that someone went to the trouble to provide this information but it won't change my opinion on this matter. My system operates the way it does, I won't be changing a single thing in that regard. If VSoH doesn't run on it then I guess I'll have a game sitting on my shelf gathering dust along with the others there that aren't in favor and since I purchased the product I will voice my opinion about it. I'm looking forward to the finished product and I hope it will have been adjusted to optimise itself rather than asking me to do it.
Yes I read the information that was provided and sorry but I shouldn't have to change how my system operates to accomodate one game. I know this is Beta but I couldn't care less, if I had to change my system for every game that I play then whats the point. I should simply be able to use the games video and audio controls to adjust the game rather than my having to change my computers settings to play just this game. I won't be downloading old drivers or adjusting INI files either. I appreciate the fact that someone went to the trouble to provide this information but it won't change my opinion on this matter. My system operates the way it does, I won't be changing a single thing in that regard. If VSoH doesn't run on it then I guess I'll have a game sitting on my shelf gathering dust along with the others there that aren't in favor and since I purchased the product I will voice my opinion about it. I'm looking forward to the finished product and I hope it will have been adjusted to optimise itself rather than asking me to do it.
There is NO change to your system setup, IF you only change the vgclient.ini file.
Only thing you really are doing is modify 1 GAME file.
If you delete this file, it will be replaced with a Default game file on your next login.
So if you are afraid of using different drivers, just change that 1 file!
Modifying the vgclient.ini will not do anything to your PC if you do NOT play Vanguard.
This file(s) you will be modifying will ONLY affect Vanguard and Vanguard performance ONLY!
To be honest you only really need to modify the vgclient.ini file, thats it!
There is even a footnote stating NOT to do the other tweaks IF you are NOT comfortable with them.
With a game like this, you will probably spend a longer time trying to figure out how to make in-game macros work.
I also posted about a Tweak for Multi-Core (Dual Core) CPU users.
This is a general tweak that increases your PC Performance.
This is NOT a tweak just to run Vanguard better but it makes everything better for Dual Core CPU users.
You do not want to use it, don't.
Its just like when you go to the Gas Station and you select what grade of fuel you are getting for your vehicle.
With that said, I do also understand that Vanguard is NOT ready for Open Beta and Release.
It needs a few more months to polish up and fix bugs.
Besides all this, I somehow am entertained by it and will play it on release ... UNTIL WAR goes live at the end of the year.
Yes I read the information that was provided and sorry but I shouldn't have to change how my system operates to accomodate one game. I know this is Beta but I couldn't care less, if I had to change my system for every game that I play then whats the point. I should simply be able to use the games video and audio controls to adjust the game rather than my having to change my computers settings to play just this game. I won't be downloading old drivers or adjusting INI files either. I appreciate the fact that someone went to the trouble to provide this information but it won't change my opinion on this matter. My system operates the way it does, I won't be changing a single thing in that regard. If VSoH doesn't run on it then I guess I'll have a game sitting on my shelf gathering dust along with the others there that aren't in favor and since I purchased the product I will voice my opinion about it. I'm looking forward to the finished product and I hope it will have been adjusted to optimise itself rather than asking me to do it.
There is NO change to your system setup, IF you only change the vgclient.ini file.
Only thing you really are doing is modify 1 GAME file.
If you delete this file, it will be replaced with a Default game file on your next login.
So if you are afraid of using different drivers, just change that 1 file!
Modifying the vgclient.ini will not do anything to your PC if you do NOT play Vanguard.
This file(s) you will be modifying will ONLY affect Vanguard and Vanguard performance ONLY!
To be honest you only really need to modify the vgclient.ini file, thats it!
There is even a footnote stating NOT to do the other tweaks IF you are NOT comfortable with them.
With a game like this, you will probably spend a longer time trying to figure out how to make in-game macros work.
I also posted about a Tweak for Multi-Core (Dual Core) CPU users.
This is a general tweak that increases your PC Performance.
This is NOT a tweak just to run Vanguard better but it makes everything better for Dual Core CPU users.
You do not want to use it, don't.
Its just like when you go to the Gas Station and you select what grade of fuel you are getting for your vehicle.
With that said, I do also understand that Vanguard is NOT ready for Open Beta and Release.
It needs a few more months to polish up and fix bugs.
Besides all this, I somehow am entertained by it and will play it on release ... UNTIL WAR goes live at the end of the year.
OK let me try.... I gues What he is trying to say is, that when you Buy a Game, you expect It to be already opitmized for your computer(if your computer meets the requirements) This game reminds me of DnL, How We had to adjust the ini files ourselves , The Truth is: 80% or more of the people Who will buy this game Won't Care about the forums, Won't read it, They will install the game, and expect it to be playable and run well on their machines, If it doesn't, Don't expect people to continue playing it, or ever go back an year later to try it Thats Just how it is.
Question about the AnisotropicFiltering setting. You've shown it as being set to off "AnisotropicFiltering=off", but first, its the only setting in the enitire file which would equal off, so I was wondering if this is correct? Second, even when I set it to off everytime before I log in I check the .ini file again and the setting is back to its original AnisotropicFiltering=0, but all of the other tweaks have stayed. Can anybody explain this? Is off a correct setting?
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What section of the vgclient.ini file are these changes supposed to go in? I don't see them existing in the file, so I can only assume I am supposed to add them?
AnisotropicFiltering=off
UseJoystick=False
UsePrecaching=True
UseTrilinear=False
UseCubemaps=False
ReduceMouseLag=False
UseTripleBuffering=True
UseVSync=True
UseSound=False
GlobalHardwareSkinning=True
TextureDetailWorld=5
RenderQuality=5
If you HAVE a Multi-Core CPU in your Laptop//Desktop, I suggest using this tweak we have found out about a while ago.
It improves your Multi-Core CPU performance.
Windows XP Multi Core config - Does your OEM do it for you?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416
This is my current system:
Sager 5760: 17" WSXGA+
T2500 Core Duo
100gb Hitachi 7200RPM HDD
2gb DDR2 667 RAM
Nvidia go7900GTX 256mb
Logitech G7
Below is a sample of the review I made with my laptop.
NOTE: For examples of scores (before & after), check out Kilim's Core Duo notebook review, as well as the others in this forum.
Check out this chart of FPS for BF2 (Battlefied 2) before and after the hotfix.
From Kilim's Sager 5760 (Clevo M570U) Review:
For Oblivion:
Also:
Some people say this helps also.
Shader Cashing - vgclient.ini
Add this line under "[General]" to minimize hitching: bUseShaderCaching=1
Should read:
Also.
About the Resolution on the OP.
"The optimal rez is your monitors default resolution. Lowering rez is really only viable for people still stuck on CRTs."
Also.
IF you play in Windowed mode.
You can ONLY change the Gamma/brightness/Contrast via your GPU Options.
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WOOT thanks whoever stickied this!!
This thread made Vanguard playable for me. It used to be so laggy I just about wanted to quit playing beta, but with the tweaks, Vanguard plays like WoW.
And it looks about 10 times better than WoW 
Thanks for all the help.
quick question- Should it read:
bUseShaderCaching=1
or
bUseShaderCaching=True
or does it matter? thx again
That could be why a lot of people have been reporting higher FPS with the new patch.
Besides the defragging which you are supposed to do after you install ANYTHING anyway, it takes literally 60 seconds to make the changes. I don't think the general public is as useless as you think they are.
I never said the general public was useless. I just believe that is way to much to ask for getting better performance out of a game. It may be ok for beta but not for a release product. Also, I have NEVER heard of anyone defragging their hard drive after installing software. Are you kidding me!!? Yes, regular defrags are a must but I don't do it after every game install. (I actually use software that automatically defrags as needed).
I have not done any of your suggestions but today I did notice a bit of Frame rate improvements. I am sure it will improve over the next few weeks. I will say that EVERYTIME (6-8) I have logged into vanguard the servers have crashed. Hey, but it is beta so I guess that is ok.
BTW -- there is no way you can make those changes in 60 sec the first time doing it. Well, for us "general public" people anyway.
No offense, but I shouldn't have to do this is enable me to play the game. My field of expertise is aviation. Does that mean that when I go somewhere to pick up a passenger that I want them to be able to compute the weight and balance formula for the correct CG of the aircraft or to have them calculate the fuel burn rate? No of course not, and I shouldn't have to reconfigure my operating system to accomodate a game that I might want to play. The program should be able to analyse my system and determine the most optimal settings under which to run effectively on my computer. Once that is accomplished maybe if I have the knowledge base to do so I would then dive in and tweak my system to get the most out of it.
For me however I leave the how to's of computers to the experts, I want to install a program and have it run, just that simple. Brad I hope you're listening because there are a helluva lot more users like me out there than you may realise and I don't want 10 hour downloads of patches and equally long updates to play this game. Nor do I want to have to try and tweak my system to try and accomodate VSoH only to have to change everything back when I go back to playing something else after I get frustrated.
These tweaks are for the Beta... Since they know people are making these changes to the .ini file, you can expect that there will be changes in the UI to set some of these by default when the installer verifies your hardware configuration. I don't believe any company would expect the end user to go manually editing .ini files.
K you're right, it takes around 4 minutes. After you learn where everything is though it takes around 40 seconds. I don't think 4 minutes is a lot of time, but hey maybe it is for some people. Please take the 4 minutes out of your life and try the tweaks, you will not be sorry you did. That I can promise you!
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Yes I read the information that was provided and sorry but I shouldn't have to change how my system operates to accomodate one game. I know this is Beta but I couldn't care less, if I had to change my system for every game that I play then whats the point. I should simply be able to use the games video and audio controls to adjust the game rather than my having to change my computers settings to play just this game. I won't be downloading old drivers or adjusting INI files either.
I appreciate the fact that someone went to the trouble to provide this information but it won't change my opinion on this matter. My system operates the way it does, I won't be changing a single thing in that regard. If VSoH doesn't run on it then I guess I'll have a game sitting on my shelf gathering dust along with the others there that aren't in favor and since I purchased the product I will voice my opinion about it. I'm looking forward to the finished product and I hope it will have been adjusted to optimise itself rather than asking me to do it.
Only thing you really are doing is modify 1 GAME file.
If you delete this file, it will be replaced with a Default game file on your next login.
So if you are afraid of using different drivers, just change that 1 file!
Modifying the vgclient.ini will not do anything to your PC if you do NOT play Vanguard.
This file(s) you will be modifying will ONLY affect Vanguard and Vanguard performance ONLY!
To be honest you only really need to modify the vgclient.ini file, thats it!
There is even a footnote stating NOT to do the other tweaks IF you are NOT comfortable with them.
With a game like this, you will probably spend a longer time trying to figure out how to make in-game macros work.
I also posted about a Tweak for Multi-Core (Dual Core) CPU users.
This is a general tweak that increases your PC Performance.
This is NOT a tweak just to run Vanguard better but it makes everything better for Dual Core CPU users.
You do not want to use it, don't.
Its just like when you go to the Gas Station and you select what grade of fuel you are getting for your vehicle.
With that said, I do also understand that Vanguard is NOT ready for Open Beta and Release.
It needs a few more months to polish up and fix bugs.
Besides all this, I somehow am entertained by it and will play it on release ... UNTIL WAR goes live at the end of the year.
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My Sager 5760 Review
Only thing you really are doing is modify 1 GAME file.
If you delete this file, it will be replaced with a Default game file on your next login.
So if you are afraid of using different drivers, just change that 1 file!
Modifying the vgclient.ini will not do anything to your PC if you do NOT play Vanguard.
This file(s) you will be modifying will ONLY affect Vanguard and Vanguard performance ONLY!
To be honest you only really need to modify the vgclient.ini file, thats it!
There is even a footnote stating NOT to do the other tweaks IF you are NOT comfortable with them.
With a game like this, you will probably spend a longer time trying to figure out how to make in-game macros work.
I also posted about a Tweak for Multi-Core (Dual Core) CPU users.
This is a general tweak that increases your PC Performance.
This is NOT a tweak just to run Vanguard better but it makes everything better for Dual Core CPU users.
You do not want to use it, don't.
Its just like when you go to the Gas Station and you select what grade of fuel you are getting for your vehicle.
With that said, I do also understand that Vanguard is NOT ready for Open Beta and Release.
It needs a few more months to polish up and fix bugs.
Besides all this, I somehow am entertained by it and will play it on release ... UNTIL WAR goes live at the end of the year.
OK let me try.... I gues What he is trying to say is, that when you Buy a Game, you expect It to be already opitmized for your computer(if your computer meets the requirements) This game reminds me of DnL, How We had to adjust the ini files ourselves , The Truth is: 80% or more of the people Who will buy this game Won't Care about the forums, Won't read it, They will install the game, and expect it to be playable and run well on their machines, If it doesn't, Don't expect people to continue playing it, or ever go back an year later to try it
Here is a copy of my vgclient.ini for the tweaks I have done to improve performance.
//======= My system VSoH Beta specs? =======
P4 3.6GHz (running at 3.2GHz for added stability to preven heat issues)
80GB 7200 16MB Cache SATA (programs)
2GBs RAM 533MHz FSB (running at 400MHz FSB for added stability to preven heat issues)
ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MBs RAM (AGP)
CL SB-Live Value
C: 40GB 7200 8MB Cache PATA (system)
Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter, Copper RJ-45 (100 Negotiate)
D-Link 614+ Rev.B 2.4GHz WiFi BR (100 Negotiate) [Auto-Negotiate just causes bad perf]
//======= Batche file to defrag drives? [sysdefrag.bat]=======
@echo off
defrag c: -f
defrag d: -f
//======= Below are my tweaks used for most UT based games =======
[Version]
VanguardINIVersion=14
[FirstRun]
FirstRun=False
[General]
[UI]
[WinDrv.WindowsClient]
WindowedViewportX=1280
WindowedViewportY=1024
FullscreenViewportX=1280
FullscreenViewportY=1024
StartupFullscreen=True
ScreenFlashes=False
MinDesiredFrameRate=45.000000
MaxDesiredFrameRate=60.000000
Decals=True
Coronas=False
DecoLayers=False
Projectors=False
NoDynamicLights=True
ReportDynamicUploads=False
NoFractalAnim=True
[D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice]
DetailTextures=True
DetailMode=2
UsePrecaching=False
UseTrilinear=False
AdapterNumber=-1
ReduceMouseLag=True
UseTripleBuffering=False
UseHardwareTL=False
UseHardwareVS=False
UseCubemaps=True
DesiredRefreshRate=75
UseCompressedLightmaps=True
UseStencil=True
MaxPixelShaderVersion=128
UseVSync=False
DetailTexMipBias=0.8
DefaultTexMipBias=-0.5
UseNPatches=False
TesselationFactor=1.0
CheckForOverflow=False
DisableShaderModel3=True
DisableMultiGPUOpt=False
DisableHighDetailShaders=True
Use16BitNormalMaps=false
[Engine.NullRenderDevice]
DetailTextures=True
DetailMode=Always
UsePrecaching=True
UseCompressedLightmaps=True
UseStencil=True
NoFractalAnim=True
[ALAudio.ALAudioSubsystem]
UseEAX=True
Use3DSound=True
UseDefaultDriver=True
CompatibilityMode=False
UsePrecache=True
ReverseStereo=false
Channels=64
MusicVolume=1.0
AmbientVolume=1.0
SoundVolume=1.0
DopplerFactor=1.0
Rolloff=0.5
TimeBetweenHWUpdates=10
DisablePitch=False
LowQualitySound=False
IsactStreamPacketLength=250
StreamIsactAudio=True
IsactMusicStreamPacketLength=250
StreamIsactMusic=True
OpenALDeviceName=Generic Hardware
MasterVolume=1.000000
[ExceptionHandling]
SendWatson=True
KeepMiniDump=False
SendEmail=True
emailAddress=vanguardcrash@sigilgames.com
emailName=Crash Support
emailSubject=Vanguard Client Crash
miniDumpFile=vgcrash.mdmp
exceptionInfoFile=vgcrashlog.txt
AMD 64 3000 slightly overclocked to 2127.55 khz
NVidia Geforece 6600 w/ 256 mb
Ram 2gb dual channel
HD SATA 150 8mb cache
Tired of hearing from people with excellent rigs whining about framerate.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.