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Someone explain the hater mentality.
Dradiin
Member Posts: 259
Can one of you obsessive forum haters explain to me the overwhelming need to get players who like this or another particular game to agree with your hate towards said game ?
I just do not understand why its so damned important to get the guys who like this game to Hate it like you.
I see countless numbers of haters on this and other forums just bashing anyone who tries to even point out good things about VAN. Then there are the endless comparisons to other current games and how one aspect of VAN is lacking compared to one game and another aspect of VAN is lacking compared to another game.
So please, make me understand why its so important to lurk on these forums and spew venom towards the ones who like this game ? I mean if say your a WoW fan and that game to you is the greatest thing since sliced bread, why are you here telling us how great it is ?? Why arent you in WoW playing ?
Regardless, i am just confused, i think most of the haters are here just to spew there venom cause there disgruntled people in RL and feel the need to make others unhappy. Its a game, and yes others will have differing views on a game then you, i am not asking anyone to like this game who are here, and i sure as hell am not going to another games forum telling them how much there game sucks and how VAN is that much better. I just want to be left in peace, with my fellow VAN players who also share the same views of this game.
I just do not understand why its so damned important to get the guys who like this game to Hate it like you.
I see countless numbers of haters on this and other forums just bashing anyone who tries to even point out good things about VAN. Then there are the endless comparisons to other current games and how one aspect of VAN is lacking compared to one game and another aspect of VAN is lacking compared to another game.
So please, make me understand why its so important to lurk on these forums and spew venom towards the ones who like this game ? I mean if say your a WoW fan and that game to you is the greatest thing since sliced bread, why are you here telling us how great it is ?? Why arent you in WoW playing ?
Regardless, i am just confused, i think most of the haters are here just to spew there venom cause there disgruntled people in RL and feel the need to make others unhappy. Its a game, and yes others will have differing views on a game then you, i am not asking anyone to like this game who are here, and i sure as hell am not going to another games forum telling them how much there game sucks and how VAN is that much better. I just want to be left in peace, with my fellow VAN players who also share the same views of this game.
Comments
I think maybe you're taking it just a little bit personally. People can have an opinion different to your own and express it without their feeling any need for you to agree with them.
These are public forums and I for one, want to hear the good and the bad about mmos when I come here. The opinions of posters help inform the choices I make about what games I try.
You'd probably call me a hater - I think Vanguard has a lot going for it and I'd like to play the game described in Vanguard's official FAQ. But having tried it and knowing that the official launch date is imminent, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen. I might come back in six months and see how it's going.
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I expect you'll find most of this type of person 18 or below and have these unrealistic expectations in there lives, perhaps the type of person who has screamed and complained and got what they want all the time, the spoilt type. At the end of the day I wouldnt worry about it, I personally would prefer that type of person to not play Vanguard, kinda reminds me of the kiddies in wow.
the interesting phenomenon about mmo's in my experience is that you have a whole segment of people who frequent the forums, particularly during the beta phases, and hearken forth with their negative views on a particular game--often time with very little actual in- game experience. this vocal subset of the population also seems to remain quite persistent in their naysaying activities, often times seen lurking about the boards for days or weeks, or even months depending on the duration of the betas.
if a game or a company does something to irritate me, i'll be the first to criticize it. but as someone who views their time as being something of at least moderate value, i do find the behavior of these forum pests as a rather sad indictment of how they value their own time. wouldnt it be so much more constructive and interesting to spend what limited time that they have on something that they actually...
*gasp*
...enjoy?
These are definitely not fan forums so suggesting that people who don't like Vanguard should post once and just leave doesn't seem rational to me.
I'm guessing you're referring to the kind of posts that pepper the SWG, DnL and Horizons forums. Vanguard promised a lot and to be honest I think Sigil has done a good job on this game but they haven't quite delivered all that they promised. So in answer to the original question of 'why' - it's almost certainly disappointment.
Sure there are some that post out of pure hatred, maybe some are, as you put it, "disgruntled"... but many posts here and in other places roasting any particular game are far more honest than those posted by fanbois. Just because someone's opinion differs from yours, and they offer an impassioned defense of their position, does not make them wrong. Just as if someone submits a post that you agree with, does not make it right.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
our time, after all, is zero sum. every minute spent griping about something could be spent doing something that we actually enjoy. like posting in the forums of a game that we like, or even better, playing it!
They expected a standard setting game, and all they see is a EQII copy with really high computer demands.
If the game had been a bit more unlike EQII in the graphics department and more people actually could see the full glory of it - have a computer that can run it with high graphics, then I think they would not been so angry.
Thing is - game content (which seems good) does not matter if you can't get the immersion when you start playing, simple as that
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
Well, thats definitely an interesting take on my posts. I'll chock it up to differences in reading comprehension. but thanks for your contribution.
btw, since you're here posting in the Vanguard forum, how are you enjoying the game? for myself, i think they've done some interesting new things with the genre. I can't say its a revolutionary step forward, and i think they were a bit optimistic on some of their earlier statements on what would be delivered initially, but overall I think they've done a nice job in providing a more challenging and interesting "evolution" on whats currently on the market. time will tell if thats enough for a lasting title.as with all other games that i play, i'll play until its not fun anymore.
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
Fans post because they like something.
"haters" (and I don't think that labels fair or accurate) post because they don't like something.
one is spending time on something they like. the other on something they dont.
its simply a matter of how one prefers to spend their time, is it not?
Why do some MMORPG vets bother to take time to post highly critical thoughts on titles like this? I don't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I'm completely atypical. I'm sick of MMORPG developers making the same mistakes over and over again, wasting money and man hours on completely substandard games. I'm sick of games with potential being ruined by being rushed to market way too early. Having wasted enough of my own money on dud titles, I also feel that it's valuable for potential buyers to hear accurate criticisms along with the posts of those who love the game.
I'm more likely to take my time commenting on a game like Vanguard, because it gets some things right and shows a lot of potential, but then goes on to completely blow it with other substandard elements and a rushed release schedule.
For some people, the concerns I raise will be low in importance based on their personal criteria and may enjoy the game in spite of the things I find extremely annoying. Others will consider my criticisms important, because they are things that when done wrong in a game, also annoy them to the point that they just can't enjoy the title. I think those people deserve the heads up and the opportunity to save some hard earned cash.
Ideally, I would hope the developers might come to recognize what many of us see as serious flaws and do something about it, or that maybe developers of other titles, seeing that a large segment of the community just won't stand for certain obvious flaws in such a game might try harder to not make those mistakes in their own titles.
Once you have been a dedicated fan of MMORPGs for a long enough time, it's easy to get frustrated with developers who almost get it right, but fail to advance the genre because of some very serious flaws or rushed delivery. You just want to shake these devs (and publishers) and say "Why?!?!?"
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2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
Hmmm, where is this anger he is showing ???I don't see it.
Oh and i love how i was immediately tagged as a fanboi for this post.
Fact of the matter is i just recently started playing VAN, i think it has some good potential but still has loads of issues to fix before release. I think there releasing this game 2 months to early.
But ya see, what got me was i came here to these forums because i respect alot of the gamers who come here and there opinions. But i would read these negative angry Hater posts and see so many made up or simply False remarks that it just became ludicrous.
So yeah i really am confused why there is this Hater gamer who spends more time lurking forums of games they hate then they do in the games they like.
There are people out there who thrive on chaos, who need to be disruptive and need others to feel this sort of disruption. I think this Hater mentality is centered around this, i can't possibly see any other reason. To be such a social outcast as to feel the need to just spread venomous comments day in and day out about a Video game, just goes to show the mindset these haters are.
Fanbois may be blind to the fact that they just like the game for any reason possible. Who cares?? Its there choice to like there particular game. Who are they hurting by talking positively about there game they like? Maybe a potential buyer and the game really is a dismal failure like say Dark and Light? Be that as it may then there will be negative posts about such games, and most gamers will see those and still be informed with or without the Fanboi.
Haters just Hate, they seem to relish in the misery of those who might have a differing view of there negative logic. Let there be a distinction though, there are those who will come and post a negative opinion about the game, and back it up with a few follow up replies. Then there are the haters who sit in a game forum for a game they cannot stand and will not support. Those type are in the forums for no reason other then to just vomit there bile upon anyone positive to the game.
I digress and i see myself repeating. I have yet to see anyone reply as to why the "Hater" mentality is a good thing. OR even try to explain why they feel the need to lurk forums day in and day out.
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
Fans post because they like something.
"haters" (and I don't think that labels fair or accurate) post because they don't like something.
one is spending time on something they like. the other on something they dont.
its simply a matter of how one prefers to spend their time, is it not? Well, see you aren't answering the question... you are skirting the issue completely. For example, I do not know if you are familiar with Star Wars Galaxies. I started that game a week or so after launch. Until the day the NGE had hit I had a total of 62 posts. The vast majority of those in the Creature Handler forums talking about where I found what rare critter, and what builds I used to best augment my pets. After the NGE my posts shot up tenfold or so. Yes I read the forums, general and my server forums, some pistoleer and every post in the CH forums but I did not need to post, and I definately didnt run around here and other places yelling about what a great game it was, even though I thought it was.
The vast majority of my time was spent in game playing it because I enjoyed the game. My question was, if people really like the game then why is it that they feel the need to persuade, sometimes forcefully, everyone else to think just like they do, shouldnt they be playing the game? If the game were as "great" as they attest to then shouldnt the game itself be able to stand up on its own two feet?
Unfortunately a great number of people that consider themselves fans of a particular game go out of their way to exaccerbate the falsehoods that come from the devs and marketing teams. Almost as if they themselves were part and parcel of those aforementioned parties. Look at the earliest posts around the internet concerning Dark and Light. Everyone was singing its praises and buying into the hype... look at what sort of a game it turned out to be.
You say that they are spending time on something they like. I say they arent because they are here (and in other places) posting rather than playing the game they say they like.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
Fans post because they like something.
"haters" (and I don't think that labels fair or accurate) post because they don't like something.
one is spending time on something they like. the other on something they dont.
its simply a matter of how one prefers to spend their time, is it not? Well, see you aren't answering the question... you are skirting the issue completely. For example, I do not know if you are familiar with Star Wars Galaxies. I started that game a week or so after launch. Until the day the NGE had hit I had a total of 62 posts. The vast majority of those in the Creature Handler forums talking about where I found what rare critter, and what builds I used to best augment my pets. After the NGE my posts shot up tenfold or so. Yes I read the forums, general and my server forums, some pistoleer and every post in the CH forums but I did not need to post, and I definately didnt run around here and other places yelling about what a great game it was, even though I thought it was.
The vast majority of my time was spent in game playing it because I enjoyed the game. My question was, if people really like the game then why is it that they feel the need to persuade, sometimes forcefully, everyone else to think just like they do, shouldnt they be playing the game? If the game were as "great" as they attest to then shouldnt the game itself be able to stand up on its own two feet?
Unfortunately a great number of people that consider themselves fans of a particular game go out of their way to exaccerbate the falsehoods that come from the devs and marketing teams. Almost as if they themselves were part and parcel of those aforementioned parties. Look at the earliest posts around the internet concerning Dark and Light. Everyone was singing its praises and buying into the hype... look at what sort of a game it turned out to be.
You say that they are spending time on something they like. I say they arent because they are here (and in other places) posting rather than playing the game they say they like.
Ok so you say that about SWG a released title and a title that screwed there players after its release, but i dont get the hate filled invectives directed towards a game still in beta. DnL is a huge anomaly. I do not think that most developers out there are making a game just to scam players out of money like those asshats at farlan are still doing.
Again Van may have issues, i fully agree it does but its playable its got a strong backbone to work with and needs fine tuning, thats completely different from DnL broken from day one.
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
Hmmm, where is this anger he is showing ???I don't see it.
Oh and i love how i was immediately tagged as a fanboi for this post.
Fact of the matter is i just recently started playing VAN, i think it has some good potential but still has loads of issues to fix before release. I think there releasing this game 2 months to early.
But ya see, what got me was i came here to these forums because i respect alot of the gamers who come here and there opinions. But i would read these negative angry Hater posts and see so many made up or simply False remarks that it just became ludicrous.
So yeah i really am confused why there is this Hater gamer who spends more time lurking forums of games they hate then they do in the games they like.
There are people out there who thrive on chaos, who need to be disruptive and need others to feel this sort of disruption. I think this Hater mentality is centered around this, i can't possibly see any other reason. To be such a social outcast as to feel the need to just spread venomous comments day in and day out about a Video game, just goes to show the mindset these haters are.
Fanbois may be blind to the fact that they just like the game for any reason possible. Who cares?? Its there choice to like there particular game. Who are they hurting by talking positively about there game they like? Maybe a potential buyer and the game really is a dismal failure like say Dark and Light? Be that as it may then there will be negative posts about such games, and most gamers will see those and still be informed with or without the Fanboi.
Haters just Hate, they seem to relish in the misery of those who might have a differing view of there negative logic. Let there be a distinction though, there are those who will come and post a negative opinion about the game, and back it up with a few follow up replies. Then there are the haters who sit in a game forum for a game they cannot stand and will not support. Those type are in the forums for no reason other then to just vomit there bile upon anyone positive to the game.
I digress and i see myself repeating. I have yet to see anyone reply as to why the "Hater" mentality is a good thing. OR even try to explain why they feel the need to lurk forums day in and day out.
First, Vanguard is releasing January 30th. Not 2 months away.
Secondly no one has yet been able to explain why someone is considered a hater just because they come along and share their experiences. Do they not have just as much of a right as anyone else to voice their opinion? Rather than having an intelligent conversation about what they saw as problems with the game they are automatically labeled a hater. Isn't that like seeing someone on the street of a certain color and using any one of a number of racial epithets?
Rather than discussion the fans turn to name calling and flaming and trolling, but somehow that's ok? Like I said before (the thread really isnt that long) having multiple viewpoints allows for people, intelligent enough, to sift through and find out the truth for themselves. To sit there and label someone a hater and say that their viewpoints are just "vomiting bile" shows that hatred comes in many shades.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
and for those posters such as yourself who have taken it upon themselves to be a kind of "consumer affairs" for other gamers, more power to you. you have way more loyalty and diligence to the genre than i do, and i consider myself to be a serious fan.
just remember that the fans who disagree with you and enjoy the game will feel equally responsible for giving the other side of the story...
my feeling however is that for every consumer conscious person such as yourself, there are 10 people who are simply caught up in the mudslinging that is so prevalent in these forums.
but their time is their own and if they want to spend it attacking something they dislike, rather than enjoying something they do, well, thats their choice...
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
Fans post because they like something.
"haters" (and I don't think that labels fair or accurate) post because they don't like something.
one is spending time on something they like. the other on something they dont.
its simply a matter of how one prefers to spend their time, is it not? Well, see you aren't answering the question... you are skirting the issue completely. For example, I do not know if you are familiar with Star Wars Galaxies. I started that game a week or so after launch. Until the day the NGE had hit I had a total of 62 posts. The vast majority of those in the Creature Handler forums talking about where I found what rare critter, and what builds I used to best augment my pets. After the NGE my posts shot up tenfold or so. Yes I read the forums, general and my server forums, some pistoleer and every post in the CH forums but I did not need to post, and I definately didnt run around here and other places yelling about what a great game it was, even though I thought it was.
The vast majority of my time was spent in game playing it because I enjoyed the game. My question was, if people really like the game then why is it that they feel the need to persuade, sometimes forcefully, everyone else to think just like they do, shouldnt they be playing the game? If the game were as "great" as they attest to then shouldnt the game itself be able to stand up on its own two feet?
Unfortunately a great number of people that consider themselves fans of a particular game go out of their way to exaccerbate the falsehoods that come from the devs and marketing teams. Almost as if they themselves were part and parcel of those aforementioned parties. Look at the earliest posts around the internet concerning Dark and Light. Everyone was singing its praises and buying into the hype... look at what sort of a game it turned out to be.
You say that they are spending time on something they like. I say they arent because they are here (and in other places) posting rather than playing the game they say they like.
from my own experience, i only post on forums when:
1) the servers are down
2) i'm at work
3) i'm doing something else on the computer other than playing (keep in mind, fan !=100% playtime :-))
fans and fansites enjoy their games and so they like to post about them. you can question their motivations and blame the marketers for capturing their souls and influencing their behaviors, but your ability to read this aspect of someones behavior must be well beyond my own.
as for your comments about why people who love the game feel the need to persuade? rather than persuade, i would say defend. people who have been playing recent mmo's understand that bad publicity can damage a game before it ever goes live. fans who enjoy the game know the impact that serial criticizers can have on a games potential new players and as they want their game to be successful, they feel the need to respond.
from my own perspective, i can completely identify with someone who wants other people to know how much they like a product as well as to counteract those who might say disparaging things about it.
but again, its all about how you want to spend your own time. i prefer to spend mine on things that I like or enjoy.
some ppl like to spend their time on things they dislike or that cause them grief. fair enough.
In all actuality, by looking at your post, you seem to imply that no one should post a contrary statement, or if so only post once and go on? You mention the persistance of some of the critics, yet you fail to mention that there are ravenous fans as well that any time a post is made mentioning something bad that start flaming and trolling the poster saying that their "rig suxx", "l2p noob" etc.
Fans post because they like something.
"haters" (and I don't think that labels fair or accurate) post because they don't like something.
one is spending time on something they like. the other on something they dont.
its simply a matter of how one prefers to spend their time, is it not? Well, see you aren't answering the question... you are skirting the issue completely. For example, I do not know if you are familiar with Star Wars Galaxies. I started that game a week or so after launch. Until the day the NGE had hit I had a total of 62 posts. The vast majority of those in the Creature Handler forums talking about where I found what rare critter, and what builds I used to best augment my pets. After the NGE my posts shot up tenfold or so. Yes I read the forums, general and my server forums, some pistoleer and every post in the CH forums but I did not need to post, and I definately didnt run around here and other places yelling about what a great game it was, even though I thought it was.
The vast majority of my time was spent in game playing it because I enjoyed the game. My question was, if people really like the game then why is it that they feel the need to persuade, sometimes forcefully, everyone else to think just like they do, shouldnt they be playing the game? If the game were as "great" as they attest to then shouldnt the game itself be able to stand up on its own two feet?
Unfortunately a great number of people that consider themselves fans of a particular game go out of their way to exaccerbate the falsehoods that come from the devs and marketing teams. Almost as if they themselves were part and parcel of those aforementioned parties. Look at the earliest posts around the internet concerning Dark and Light. Everyone was singing its praises and buying into the hype... look at what sort of a game it turned out to be.
You say that they are spending time on something they like. I say they arent because they are here (and in other places) posting rather than playing the game they say they like.
Ok so you say that about SWG a released title and a title that screwed there players after its release, but i dont get the hate filled invectives directed towards a game still in beta. DnL is a huge anomaly. I do not think that most developers out there are making a game just to scam players out of money like those asshats at farlan are still doing.
Again Van may have issues, i fully agree it does but its playable its got a strong backbone to work with and needs fine tuning, thats completely different from DnL broken from day one. It's a matter of perspective isnt it?
By releasing the game 6 months to 1 year early is it not still a scam? Thats like going down to your local dealership to buy a car and when you go in to pick it up its missing the air conditioner, heater, passenger seats, seat belts, speedometer and 4th-6th gears. It still runs, why should a consumer be upset about it?
And my talking about swg was only as a way of pointing out my posting habits. For example I have been here for over 2 years and dont even have 200 posts to my name
Finally, the only anomaly in the mmo genre is WoW, and CoH/CoV. (and no I do not enjoy wow, nor the community) But, it came out feature complete. Everything they promised was there. SWG released without the spaceflight that was promised, DNL released... well hehe, Lineage 2 was extremely buggy, eq2 was nearly unplayable because of the tedium and repetitiveness, Anarchy Online had a huge amount of problems, MXO though they tried to go with the live events written and played by the Wachowski's never lived up to its promise, DAoC had huge balance issues, EQ came out nearly a year early and had its share of problems, hell I think there was a civil suit against EA for Ultima Online.
Playability and strength of the foundation are entirely a matter of perspecitve. If vanguard is to your liking then have fun
Is this hateful? No. You stated that it is playable and that it has a strong backbone. Which is an opinion. Not one that I share, but it does not invalidate yours. I have stated my experience with the dev team this time around, and offered some of what I find lacking in the game. Because your opinion differs from mine, also, does not invalidate my opinion nor does it make me a hater.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
/agree with your general premise.
EDIT: and still enjoy the game