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kanuvas
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I have recently started Vanguard beta too see what all the hype is about. In the few hours that I have played it looks very similar to EQ with little new and innovative.
Everything in this game has been done before with the exception of the diplomacy system. Will be interesting to see if this works.
I hear a lot of whining and moaning as to why WoW sucks and this rocks. Let me clarify why this game will never ever be in the same league as WoW.
1)WoW is and was polished when it was released. Vanguard isn't even close to polished. I know its in Beta but the amount of bugs I found upon my first hour of play says all i need to know. Its due out in 12 days?
2)The release date is 2 weeks after Burning crusade. The marketing team for Vanguard messed up horribly. You just crippled your sales to a already established MMO.
3)Slow leveling. I understand some people like this but the masses don’t. WoW is quite easy to level in which gives a good feeling of achievement which you don’t get in vanguard.
4)Nothing new. It has all been done before better.
5) Needs a high spec comp to run it. Most people cannot afford to have a top end PC so why make a MMO for one. I’m not upgrading my computer for a game like this.
On a positive note however I cannot believe people are complaining at the graphics. If you have them up full they are gorgeous(I had to look at them on a friends computer as mines average).
I’m sure many people will enjoy this game; however it’s just another MMO on the casualty list for me.
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As for marketing...look more towards SOE for this one. Seems they are the ones (as publishers) that want to push the game for release. And yes, the game is a system hog, the majority of folks that play MMOs do not have "Uber PCs" or are not willing to upgrade for one game.
I think the gam has a lot of potential however. If the community is good (which remains to be seen, can't judge it until after beta) andthe devs work hard it will be a great game. MMOs continue to get better (most of the time) let's hope this is one of them.
Perhaps you all think that it's a WoW Killer because you simply projected that image yourself?
Diplomacy is new
Flying mounts are new (wow released them in their expansion, how long has VG had them on the drawing board?)
Player housing anywhere, not just in a zone thats new accept for UO
Gathering, when you gather wood, the tree is actually chopped down
Size of the world
Innovative class design, a healer actually does more than heal
Styles cross players, I perform a melee style, then my cleric can perform a special move, this makes combat extremely interesting
Fellowship system, allowing you to exp with your friends when they are offline
Caravan system allowing you to stay with your friends when you are offline
and many many more
As for the high end machine, Im glad the specs are high, that way in 2 years it doesnt look dated.
Perhaps I didn’t miss this point. A developer doesn’t make a game for fun they make a game for money. MMORPGs are massive money makers. No company is going to try and make a game that’s not going to be the best in some area at least.
The point wasn’t that this game was made to topple WoW its the statement that its not even close to the quality that WoW produced even when it first came out.
I am currently playing EQ2 (and enjoying it) Have played every game out there. (Including WoW) which I enjoyed. Just canciled my EvE account yesterday, (for no reason but after three months to be honest I just couldn't figure the game) but thats me. I rarely read boards as they usally contain superficial fluff opinion, hotair. But I was looking at Vangaurd and really apprecieated this writing from Kanuvas. You can tell it's written by someone over the age of 12 and someone that shares my passion for online gaming. Unbiased, non-slandering, factual real effective imput. Not everyone is going to agree on some online factors. To easy to level, PvP, crafting, age group,graphics, and so on. Fun is in the eye of the beholder. One mans trash is another man's treasure. It's just a waste of words and time when people just predudically flame a game. Nice reasonable valid statements are the factor to decide wether the game might be right for you. So I guess this rambling is a review on a review
P.S also food for thought. Don't slam someone for bad spelling.
As I myself have level 2 (noob) spelling abilitiy. haa haa
Thanks for your time.
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Perhaps I didn’t miss this point. A developer doesn’t make a game for fun they make a game for money. MMORPGs are massive money makers. No company is going to try and make a game that’s not going to be the best in some area at least.
The point wasn’t that this game was made to topple WoW its the statement that its not even close to the quality that WoW produced even when it first came out.
If WoW is so f**king great, go play it! Brad was not trying to develop a "WoW Killer", you can erroneously assume he was but that simply is not the case. Vanguard is a niche product, much the same way SWG was. Provided they don't screw it up like SWG it will have a solid subscriber base. I'd guess anywhere from 200K to 500K. That's more than turning a profit BTW.
Honestly, Vanguard isn't doing anythng revolutionary by having healers that can do more than heal. It's just that people who have traditionally overlooked Cleric/Priest types are taking a second look because they've finally realized that those types of classes can be much more versatile than they previously thought.
Again you miss the point I didn’t disagree with you that Vanguard was not meant to be a WoW killer. Another point you have assumed is that I think WoW is a great game. I do but I don’t play it as I think its boring endgame.
Ill illiterate the point I was making again. Vanguard is not a polished product. WoW is the example I’m using because it took all the good elements of MMORPG’s and combined them just as Vanguard is doing. WoW surpasses it in a number of areas which I have stated above.
Vanguard is not a Niche product. It is as I have mentioned the same as every other MMORPG out there with varying amounts of success and failings in different areas. Therefore it is aimed as it well should be at the masses.
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Honestly, Vanguard isn't doing anythng revolutionary by having healers that can do more than heal. It's just that people who have traditionally overlooked Cleric/Priest types are taking a second look because they've finally realized that those types of classes can be much more versatile than they previously thought.
They go well beyond other games in what they do for healers. My DAoC cleric was about as one dimensional as it gets. Lineage 2 healer? same.
WoW started down this road but made the priest the best healer in the game relegating its status to heal bot. You can argue that Druids are great healers too but they really are not equal healers to priests.
Again you miss the point I didn’t disagree with you that Vanguard was meant to be a WoW killer. Another point you have assumed is that I think WoW is a great game. I do but I don’t play it as I think its boring endgame.
Ill illiterate the point I was making again. Vanguard is not a polished product. WoW is the example I’m using because it took all the good elements of MMORPG’s and combined them just as Vanguard is doing. WoW surpasses it in a number of areas which I have stated above.
Vanguard is not a Niche product. It is as I have mentioned the same as every other MMORPG out there with varying amounts of success and failings in different areas. Therefore it is aimed as it well should be at the masses.
It is a niche product. Sigil has designed it in a way that WILL alienate the casual gamer to a great degree (Where the most money is), people with antique computers need not apply either. WoW was aimed at the masses. The "training wheel" gameplay, the "Smurfy graphics" that will run on any PC. Primarily, Vanguard took aim at a very specific type of gamer, therefore it is classified as a niche game. WoW wasn't perfect on release BTW. I love how you are comparing a 2 year old game to a game that is in Beta. Hilarious!
Some of the other things that appeal to me. Might be inovative might be not.
1. Standing up on a hill and being able to see 2 km of the zone, group hunting grounds, cities etc.
2. Being able to put things you own down in your house including the new armor you got and cant use etc.
3.Being able to display rewards from epic monsters your guild killed in your guild house.
4.High degree of interactivity which is needed to finish quest or craft rare items. For example you may be able to make a rare sword , but will need resources from killing monsters, crafters to craft it and diplomats to get the recipe.
5.Being able to build huge , fully customizable guild ships and down the line engage in pvp naval battles.
6.Air combat.
7.Different equipment for your diplomat, crafter, harvester, mount. Good crafters will not only have to know the recipies and be good at what they are doing but also have to work at getting good equipment the way adventurers do.
8.Diplomacy. (Hope they incude rare card trading and selling
)
This game is working nicely for me
Cheers for the solid reply.
I think perhaps at the end when I say it is a MMO casualty I’m being a bit harsh. Perhaps the reason for me being so.. brutal is when you have a game in such a massive development time with so many ideas to take from you could come up with something a little more intuitive.
It just makes me grit my teeth that they couldn’t do better with the good grounding they have setup.
I will give it more of a go when I upgrade my computer, unfortunately its the processor and graphics card I need to renew as I have 2gig of ram.
Honestly, Vanguard isn't doing anythng revolutionary by having healers that can do more than heal. It's just that people who have traditionally overlooked Cleric/Priest types are taking a second look because they've finally realized that those types of classes can be much more versatile than they previously thought.
They go well beyond other games in what they do for healers. My DAoC cleric was about as one dimensional as it gets. Lineage 2 healer? same.
WoW started down this road but made the priest the best healer in the game relegating its status to heal bot. You can argue that Druids are great healers too but they really are not equal healers to priests.Don't forget DDO. As you may know, in DnD a Cleric has always been one of the more powerful classes, being able to fight and tank real well, heal, and cast offensive and defensive spells. In DDO, nothing has changed, Clerics are still one of the better fighters in the game.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Its released in 12 days or there about. Your right it is in beta but they aren’t going to be able to solve many of the bugs in 12 days.
In all that I have stated I have compared WoW when it was released as much as what it is like today. How you cannot accept Vanguard is not polished I don’t know.
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I've played CoH/V since closed beta, and in it, I found a game that finally let me go beyond the Cleric/Priest stereotype. My Empathy/Dark defender there played more like my Druid from EverQuest than a Cleric, and I was actually able to solo my Kinetics/Radiation Defender for the last two levels of the game without any real slowdown in progress, or mass deaths.
As for WoW, Priests aren't the only healers in the game. And even if they were, just the fact that there's the alternative of specializing a Priest towards more damage (Shadow) or towards buffing and mana efficiency (Discipline) and away from just raw healing power makes the class more versatile than all that.
Its released in 12 days or there about. Your right it is in beta but they aren’t going to be able to solve many of the bugs in 12 days.
In all that I have stated I have compared WoW when it was released as much as what it is like today. How you cannot accept Vanguard is not polished I don’t know.
I've stated in about 50 posts that it has issues. Im not unaware of that, I'm also not unaware that NO MMO is released in a particularly good state. Some are better than others. Vanguard is getting major fixes every day and while it wont be perfect by the 30th, I think it will do fine.
I haven't tried DDO myself, though I've got a trial disc on my desk, but in Neverwinter Nights, my favorite class out of all them was the Cleric, just because of the raw power they had. They were amazing.
I've played CoH/V since closed beta, and in it, I found a game that finally let me go beyond the Cleric/Priest stereotype. My Empathy/Dark defender there played more like my Druid from EverQuest than a Cleric, and I was actually able to solo my Kinetics/Radiation Defender for the last two levels of the game without any real slowdown in progress, or mass deaths.
As for WoW, Priests aren't the only healers in the game. And even if they were, just the fact that there's the alternative of specializing a Priest towards more damage (Shadow) or towards buffing and mana efficiency (Discipline) and away from just raw healing power makes the class more versatile than all that.
CoH Defenders were and are awesome!! Good point.
In Wow raiding Shadow priests are rarely wanted. Maybe that changes with TBC. I don't really know or care. But, their class has the best healing in the game thus most guilds want them specialized that way. Yes other classes can heal but not nearly as good. Druids are the closest in power but lack for ways of shedding aggro that the priest has.
A Discipline heavy healer with some holy makes the best WoW healer or it did back when I played it. My point is that in VG, you have 4 classes that can heal equally as good without making them pick healing over offense. You can get both and you aren't the only class that has the best heals. Also, the way the classes go about it are unique to the game and to other games. I don't think I've played a Disciple type character in other MMO's before.
I dont know Kanuvas me and my wife played WoW for about 18 months and it had its share of bugs to. Some they fixed and some where in the game the whole time i played . We actually started to hate holidays because we know blizzard would add a few dumb quest's and decorations and that the game would run like crap for 3 days after is it a good game of course it is , personally i find vanguard to be alot more fun and a whole lot more challenging .
Ive played multi classes in beta and i would say your exaggerating quite abit about how many bugs you found in a hour no less. Right lol
Perhaps I didn’t miss this point. A developer doesn’t make a game for fun they make a game for money. MMORPGs are massive money makers. No company is going to try and make a game that’s not going to be the best in some area at least.
The point wasn’t that this game was made to topple WoW its the statement that its not even close to the quality that WoW produced even when it first came out.