Originally posted by Solon22 Classes Just because LotRO only has seven classes and Vanguard has 15 doesn't make Vanguard better. In fact, it just means more problems. Think about how difficult it will be to balance all those classes so no class overshadows another, and even then it sounds A LOT like EQ...and that is an extremely BAD thing. LotRO, on the other hand, has 7 well thought out CORE classes. This being every class has a direct purpose, and in groups, you will have a need for all of them. Each class in LOTRO will have much more time spent in each one making for much better story and lore for each class. So, do you want 15 hastily made look-alike classes comparable to EQ, or 7 well thought out, core classes resembling the true feel of Middle-Earth? PvP Turbine put much more thought into PvP that Sigil Games did to Vanguard. Turbine created a unique never-before-seen PvP gameplay to fit the Lord of the Rings lore and storyline. It's definitely not something you'll want to pass by. Vanguard will just have your average PvP mode which once you've done it once, you've done it a million times. I'll be happy to see something new in the PvP department to spice things up, while not creating a 1337 13-yr old environment that WoW's PvP system attracted.
Your class reasoning is directly linked to PvP. The "balance" reasonning I see make very little to compensate a rich PvE experience. More classes/variations is always better, for PvE...and despite what the trolls may say, I think CoV nail it pretty well; PvE-wise. About the classes/ATs and primary/secondaries, real diversity and tons of fun...
Personnally I see both games flawed with a directly enforced raiding, and I honestly can't care less about LotR, so I won't be promoting raid-free servers much here...I don't care. Sigil on the other hand, I want them to succeed...so I repeat...as often as I can...that raid-free servers are a must by release.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
My god... are some people ACTUALLY praising Vanguard's graphics... How many of you actually have the ability to put everything on max high 1280x1024 res and say for certain it's stable and looks good... (without doing ini. tweaks).
ding ding ding, we have a winner! As Manveru said, it has polish, it is ready to launch, and it is fun.
Fun might have been something Vanguard should have tried to squeeze in. Although for some hardcore players, maybe fun is something that just gets in the way.
Wow all this talk and not many have mentioned the Monster play... The only reason I would pla LOTR would be if PVP was innovative and fun and monster play was done with long term play in mind.
I would much rather play LOTRO than Everquest: Saga of Heroes. After watching the videos and the info we have LOTRO sounds and looks like it will be fun to play and Vanguard sounds and looks will be a chore to play just like EQ was. From what I have seen there is no distinct difference between Vanguard and EQ except for a few cosmetic differences such as housing and flying mounts which dont really have any impact on gameplay.
Ravex5 go play the Vanguard beta and then come back and post your EQ clone garbage.
If this game turns out to be anotehr horrible Turbine blunder it will still beat Vanguard and the AC2 developers hands down. Vanguard by far is the worst game I have ever played. Unless you have an absalutly top end graphics card you can forget about running it any way.
LOTR looks decent though. I think they should have made it a more PVP oriented game. Monster play probably just wont cut it. Since it was developed by turbine there is a chance that it will be lame and marketed twards DND nerds.
Lord of the Rings of Warcrafonline spunked a little bit of that WoW look into the game. There is not as much to choose from as in Vanguard and all of the game circles around what happened in the movie. Not necessarily saying that is a bad thing. Vanguard has a bunch more classes, attribute allocation, more races, more story. . .I would rather wait for the finishing touches on VG than play a game like LOTRO, no matter what they offer as far as playability. There are about as much choices in LOTRO, as there are in WOW and it is really not that much. . .
LOTRO has polish of course, even though it has not been released yet. But there is about as much to LOTRO graphics as WOW. If you like WOW it seems, you will like LOTRO, it looks like they made it in such a way to take away WOW gamers by using the chance to be involved in a story that has been in the movies and is widely known.
Not alot of kids will play this game cause its monthly payement, but still older people are the biggest kids most of the time. stuborness grows with age
Kids won't play this game because it has a monthly fee. This has to be the dumbest statement I've ever read. I guess you haven't played World of Warcraft?
Originally posted by Valorus Originally posted by ravex5 I would much rather play LOTRO than Everquest: Saga of Heroes. After watching the videos and the info we have LOTRO sounds and looks like it will be fun to play and Vanguard sounds and looks will be a chore to play just like EQ was. From what I have seen there is no distinct difference between Vanguard and EQ except for a few cosmetic differences such as housing and flying mounts which dont really have any impact on gameplay.
Ravex5 go play the Vanguard beta and then come back and post your EQ clone garbage.
I have played Vanguard beta and I felt like I was playing a crappy version of EQ2. Though im not looking forward much to LoTRO either. Ill just wait for WAR and AoC instead of playing the next installment of EQ or LoTRO for that matter.
have any of you actually played LOTR to comment on it ? I did, I got to play it at E3 and let me comment... There is a reason for no mounts in LOTR, the world is too small and would make it even smaller with mounts. Those who say one giant continent make me laugh. The world is like half of one continent in WoW. For those that say the quests in LOTR are complex and innovative...WRONG. The ones I saw were patheticly boring. Go kill 5 wolves, go collect 6 piles of wood, wash rinse an repeat. No thought whatsoever was put into them. The very first quest is decent and makes you feel like your playing in Middle Earth but the rest are very boring. No clever storyline, just mayor so and so needs you to thin the woods out of wolves..councilman so and so needs you to remove some of the robbers from the woods, bleh. None of the quests made me think hey Im playing in Middle Earth after the initial one. Someone mentioned character creation for LOTR being good, sorry but wrong again. I'd say it was one of the worst Ive ever seen for an MMO. It had basically zero new things to it an you end up looking exactly like everyone else. It was basic, choose from 7 noses, choose from 7 mouths, choose from 7 different scars, choose 7 different hair styles, and be muscular or thin or fat. No choices in clothing or clothing colors. No choices really that made you unique looking whatsoever. For a new MMO, I expect a lot more than this. Combat in LOTR is boring. There are specials but I didnt need to use any. The mobs arent very difficult and did fine just as easily with auto-attack as using specials. And specials werent very well thought out. There wasnt any fears, stuns, lockdown moves, etc moves that might actually create strategy. The specials were simplistic varieties of basic attacks. And worst of all, the combat animations are just awful. I quickly got tired of seeing the same 2 basic moves my toon made when he attacked something. Lets face it, most of your game time will be spent in combat so why not make it pleasing to watch. Overall, combat is definitely the weakness of this game and thats very very bad when the combat has little else. Crafting is pointless is LOTR. It was obviously added at the last stages of alpha and isnt very good. Its also not needed as one can just buy anything from npc's or get stuff as rewards for killing 10 bears. Social aspects - this game desperately craves a place to hang out with hobbits and share a pint of ale with. Unfortunately, most of the buildings are closed off. The only buildings you can enter are for quests or to get quests and even then its zoned so you have to wait for loading screen everytime you walk in or out. Most towns have the same look to them...closed buildings just there for decoration...npc trainers for classes, npc vendors selling armor or weapons...and some quest givers. Players run in and out of town turning in boring quest after boring quest and move on. What I saw was just plain sad. LOTR is a flop waiting to happen. It made me want to play DDO, it was that bad. There arent any hobbits singing toons in a tavern. There wasnt any farming like I had read about. There wasnt any reason to group that I saw. The world is very small and you'll run out of places to go quite fast. This is a pathetic use of great license.
have any of you actually played LOTR to comment on it ? I did, I got to play it at E3 and let me comment... There is a reason for no mounts in LOTR, the world is too small and would make it even smaller with mounts. Those who say one giant continent make me laugh. The world is like half of one continent in WoW. For those that say the quests in LOTR are complex and innovative...WRONG. The ones I saw were patheticly boring. Go kill 5 wolves, go collect 6 piles of wood, wash rinse an repeat. No thought whatsoever was put into them. The very first quest is decent and makes you feel like your playing in Middle Earth but the rest are very boring. No clever storyline, just mayor so and so needs you to thin the woods out of wolves..councilman so and so needs you to remove some of the robbers from the woods, bleh. None of the quests made me think hey Im playing in Middle Earth after the initial one. Someone mentioned character creation for LOTR being good, sorry but wrong again. I'd say it was one of the worst Ive ever seen for an MMO. It had basically zero new things to it an you end up looking exactly like everyone else. It was basic, choose from 7 noses, choose from 7 mouths, choose from 7 different scars, choose 7 different hair styles, and be muscular or thin or fat. No choices in clothing or clothing colors. No choices really that made you unique looking whatsoever. For a new MMO, I expect a lot more than this. Combat in LOTR is boring. There are specials but I didnt need to use any. The mobs arent very difficult and did fine just as easily with auto-attack as using specials. And specials werent very well thought out. There wasnt any fears, stuns, lockdown moves, etc moves that might actually create strategy. The specials were simplistic varieties of basic attacks. And worst of all, the combat animations are just awful. I quickly got tired of seeing the same 2 basic moves my toon made when he attacked something. Lets face it, most of your game time will be spent in combat so why not make it pleasing to watch. Overall, combat is definitely the weakness of this game and thats very very bad when the combat has little else. Crafting is pointless is LOTR. It was obviously added at the last stages of alpha and isnt very good. Its also not needed as one can just buy anything from npc's or get stuff as rewards for killing 10 bears. Social aspects - this game desperately craves a place to hang out with hobbits and share a pint of ale with. Unfortunately, most of the buildings are closed off. The only buildings you can enter are for quests or to get quests and even then its zoned so you have to wait for loading screen everytime you walk in or out. Most towns have the same look to them...closed buildings just there for decoration...npc trainers for classes, npc vendors selling armor or weapons...and some quest givers. Players run in and out of town turning in boring quest after boring quest and move on. What I saw was just plain sad. LOTR is a flop waiting to happen. It made me want to play DDO, it was that bad. There arent any hobbits singing toons in a tavern. There wasnt any farming like I had read about. There wasnt any reason to group that I saw. The world is very small and you'll run out of places to go quite fast. This is a pathetic use of great license.
Ok, help me out here, I seem to be a little confused. Did you like it or not?
I played Vanguard closed beta, am still on open beta. Won't even play it for free. Patching is a waste of time. The game will have talk of closing with in 2 years just like EQ2 for the same reasons. The interface sucks, unresponsive clumsy combat. Horrible looking characters. Look like fat children with gigantic heads. Insane system requirements. Even if you exceed the specs by at least 30% you will have trouble running it.
LOTRO graphics may have been downgraded to allow most systems to run it, but it's still not cartoonish like WOW. It's more along the lines of Lineage 2 after Chronicle 2 graphics downgrade to copy WOW's style. I'll just have to see how the game play is before I pass judgment on LOTRO, but as for Vanguard the jury is in and it has a hanging judge.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Obviously, WoW has 8 million subscribers. LOTRO is definately a clone of WoW through and through.
Vanguard = EQ2
Just as boring, and even more tedious. Stats don't matter, AC doesn't matter. Lame empty world.
I'm holding out for Spellborn and AoC. Vanguard and LOTRO are nothing new, and I won't waste my time on crap that has been rehashed for the past 10 years.
Hello all, I wish to ask a simple question as im going to make a decision on what game to play for the next few years real soon. Theres vanguard, which ive been following for years, and this one. I like some of what i see in Lord of the Rings Online but im not sure if theres anything that really makes me want to play it. Is there something that lotr will do that vanguard wont? I hear that lotr has farming, and i dont know why but that seems really cool to me. I mean like growing crops that is not "farming" like we know it. I know this seems like a attempt at a flame fest but im honestly asking. Thanks for any info! P.S. I know that SOE is involved, i dont care
whats lotr have that vanguard dont, honestly asking!!
Only the greatest story and world ever written about, The basis of all modern medieval fantasy.
The basis? That is not true. Very untrue actually. A common misconception.
The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison, a pure fantasy novel, was published in 1922. Tolkien admired the book and was influenced by it. The Conan stories were written during the 1920s, over 30 years BEFORE The Lord of the Rings. Lord Dunsany wrote fantasy before Tolkien even started thinking up his Middle-earth. The Gormenghast trilogy by Marvin Peake predated Tolkien's. The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson was published a bit before The Lord of the Rings. Michael Moorcock's books would have been exactly the same even if Tolkien didn't exist.
Some more authors that wrote fantast prior to Tolkien: George Macdonald, Arthur Machen, Andrew Lang, James Branch Cabell. And there are tons more.
Now, about LotrO - it's a great MMO. Kudos to Turbine. Vanguard? Ambitious MMO, extremely unpolished, that is destined to fail miserably.
Lord of the rings was written in 1937 and Conan was written in 1932. Tolkien was a big fan of Conan, but his book was influenced by the events of World War II and fable folklores like Beowulf, King Authur, etc and mythologies like Norse and Christianity. His ideas of hobbits came from a goblin monster who had similar name, but was evil.
Lord of the rings was written in 1937 and Conan was written in 1932. Tolkien was a big fan of Conan, but his book was influenced by the events of World War II and fable folklores like Beowulf, King Authur, etc and mythologies like Norse and Christianity. His ideas of hobbits came from a goblin monster who had similar name, but was evil.
Just a correction - it's The Hobbit that was published in 1937, not The Lord of the Rings.
I think that this topic would be better addressed when LoTRO is in open beta or released. Right now all we can do is speculate about LoTRO. Screen shots could be deceptive and game play is what really counts. Right now we know that Vanguard is not all that but anything about LoTRO is either speculation, or just someone talking out their butt wanting us to think they are/were in beta. I am sure neither game will be for everyone since no game or game play style will satisfy everyone.
Lotro is so much advanced in every single way ,, and graphickly it would be like comparing Monet to childs scribling
Lotro world has a beautifull enviroment , landscapes are full of characters , atmospere and details .. where Vanguards looks so anpolished and badly animated
Lotro world is huge beautifull and breathtaking that all you want to do is explore and explore ,,,
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plus the landscape in this game is the best i have ever seen
Your class reasoning is directly linked to PvP. The "balance" reasonning I see make very little to compensate a rich PvE experience. More classes/variations is always better, for PvE...and despite what the trolls may say, I think CoV nail it pretty well; PvE-wise. About the classes/ATs and primary/secondaries, real diversity and tons of fun...
Personnally I see both games flawed with a directly enforced raiding, and I honestly can't care less about LotR, so I won't be promoting raid-free servers much here...I don't care. Sigil on the other hand, I want them to succeed...so I repeat...as often as I can...that raid-free servers are a must by release.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
ding ding ding, we have a winner! As Manveru said, it has polish, it is ready to launch, and it is fun.
Fun might have been something Vanguard should have tried to squeeze in. Although for some hardcore players, maybe fun is something that just gets in the way.
Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC
Wow all this talk and not many have mentioned the Monster play... The only reason I would pla LOTR would be if PVP was innovative and fun and monster play was done with long term play in mind.
Talk more about the pvp
Vanguard LOL!
If this game turns out to be anotehr horrible Turbine blunder it will still beat Vanguard and the AC2 developers hands down. Vanguard by far is the worst game I have ever played. Unless you have an absalutly top end graphics card you can forget about running it any way.
LOTR looks decent though. I think they should have made it a more PVP oriented game. Monster play probably just wont cut it. Since it was developed by turbine there is a chance that it will be lame and marketed twards DND nerds.
Lord of the Rings of Warcrafonline spunked a little bit of that WoW look into the game. There is not as much to choose from as in Vanguard and all of the game circles around what happened in the movie. Not necessarily saying that is a bad thing. Vanguard has a bunch more classes, attribute allocation, more races, more story. . .I would rather wait for the finishing touches on VG than play a game like LOTRO, no matter what they offer as far as playability. There are about as much choices in LOTRO, as there are in WOW and it is really not that much. . .
LOTRO has polish of course, even though it has not been released yet. But there is about as much to LOTRO graphics as WOW. If you like WOW it seems, you will like LOTRO, it looks like they made it in such a way to take away WOW gamers by using the chance to be involved in a story that has been in the movies and is widely known.
http://mentaltruancy.guildportal.com - Friendly Vanguard:Saga of Heroes Qalia based Guild.
I have played Vanguard beta and I felt like I was playing a crappy version of EQ2. Though im not looking forward much to LoTRO either. Ill just wait for WAR and AoC instead of playing the next installment of EQ or LoTRO for that matter.
LOTRO will have horses and ponies at launch, check latest gamespot review or ign.
I never even heard of lotr before I saw the first movie 5 years ago, and I read.
Ok, help me out here, I seem to be a little confused. Did you like it or not?
I played Vanguard closed beta, am still on open beta. Won't even play it for free. Patching is a waste of time. The game will have talk of closing with in 2 years just like EQ2 for the same reasons. The interface sucks, unresponsive clumsy combat. Horrible looking characters. Look like fat children with gigantic heads. Insane system requirements. Even if you exceed the specs by at least 30% you will have trouble running it.
LOTRO graphics may have been downgraded to allow most systems to run it, but it's still not cartoonish like WOW. It's more along the lines of Lineage 2 after Chronicle 2 graphics downgrade to copy WOW's style. I'll just have to see how the game play is before I pass judgment on LOTRO, but as for Vanguard the jury is in and it has a hanging judge.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Obviously, WoW has 8 million subscribers. LOTRO is definately a clone of WoW through and through.
Vanguard = EQ2
Just as boring, and even more tedious. Stats don't matter, AC doesn't matter. Lame empty world.
I'm holding out for Spellborn and AoC. Vanguard and LOTRO are nothing new, and I won't waste my time on crap that has been rehashed for the past 10 years.
Only the greatest story and world ever written about, The basis of all modern medieval fantasy.
The basis? That is not true. Very untrue actually. A common misconception.
The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison, a pure fantasy novel, was published in 1922. Tolkien admired the book and was influenced by it. The Conan stories were written during the 1920s, over 30 years BEFORE The Lord of the Rings. Lord Dunsany wrote fantasy before Tolkien even started thinking up his Middle-earth. The Gormenghast trilogy by Marvin Peake predated Tolkien's. The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson was published a bit before The Lord of the Rings. Michael Moorcock's books would have been exactly the same even if Tolkien didn't exist.
Some more authors that wrote fantast prior to Tolkien: George Macdonald, Arthur Machen, Andrew Lang, James Branch Cabell. And there are tons more.
Now, about LotrO - it's a great MMO. Kudos to Turbine. Vanguard? Ambitious MMO, extremely unpolished, that is destined to fail miserably.
I miss DAoC
for the start you cant compare those 2 games ...
Lotro is so much advanced in every single way ,, and graphickly it would be like comparing Monet to childs scribling
Lotro world has a beautifull enviroment , landscapes are full of characters , atmospere and details .. where Vanguards looks so anpolished and badly animated
Lotro world is huge beautifull and breathtaking that all you want to do is explore and explore ,,,