I really don't think there is one, anymore. I used to believe in heaven and hell and the whole shebang. Sometimes my faith is renewed, but usually I end up with the crushing realization that if there was a god, a lot of things wouldn't happen to a lot of people. There wouldn't be depression, or bi-polarity, or Disassociative Identity Disorder, or war, or starvation, or a way for someone's body to block itself off so it can't do anything but feel pain and slowly starve... I really want there to be an afterlife...
If there wasn't any of that stuff, if no one was born ugly, fat, with genetic diseases etc, if, for some people, spiders never existed (points at self), then you'd be living in Heaven not Earth.
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Your brain dies, and with it goes all thought. Your body decomposes and continues the cycle, your body decomposing feeds the worms etc. which then feeds the soil which creates nutrients required for plants to grow to be consumed by new life, which then dies and begins the cycle again.
when i die, ill be ushered in to see Him. then ill spend the next million or so years just worshipping Him for no other reason than because i can. after that, me schedule is open.
I'm planning about not caring that I'm dead when I'm dead. I probably won't ever know. I figure we're just going to end up dead, you know, eternal oblivion. On reincarnation, I thought for a long time about it, and came to the conclusion that it won't be human reincarnation, if at all. Mostly because, if we have reincarnated before, I think we'd probably remember it. And if we didn't remember our past life, would it really be reincarnation? Sure, it might be a "Soul Transfer" type thing, but as far as personalities go, you would essentially be a different person, because of the new experiences without any of your old memories. Basically, if you can't remember your past life/reincarnation, was it really a reincarnation, seeing as how you'd be a completely different person? Plus, the birth rate exceeds the death rate. That would mean there would be a whole lot of new added to the old pool.
Heaven is not a valid concept for me for many reasons. For starters perfection is a matter of personal opinion. Heaven in itself would have to measure the total vision for everyones personal view of perfection. The argument that I often use is love. If for example you are in love with someone here on earth, but that person is never in love with you. When you die how exactly is this reinvented in heaven in order to suit your own needs? Sure you could have that person in your life, but then that's not heaven for the other person involved. Perhaps you could have a clone? Again, not perfection. Even if you where unaware of the person being a clone, it would not be perfection because you would be living a lie even if you were not aware of it.
The very concept of heaven will vary from one person to another as well. We cannot all have it our own way unless we are stripped of our personal opinions and perceptions; then made to believe what we see is what we wanted in the first place.
Heaven can exist on a personal level. But then like I said it would not be universal. And if it is on a personal level then what we have is a segment of heavens all created for each person in turn. And if that were to be the case that is again not perfection because not everyone would have the same heaven. If for example you wanted to visit a friend you would have to enter their personal vision of heaven therefore leaving your own - in a perfect heaven this would not be needed and is again where the flaw exists.
Perhaps it does exist, and perhaps the human brain in not capable of grasping such a concept and pulling it together in a way that makes sense. Perhaps not.
In any case which ever theory you adhere too, don't let anyone change your mind because it's 'perfect' for you.
I know I'll be with JESUS in a New Heaven which will be Paradise. Not gonna dissuade me. Also I voted watch you two argue.
no preaching. preaching = block.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
I know I'll be with JESUS in a New Heaven which will be Paradise. Not gonna dissuade me. Also I voted watch you two argue.
no preaching. preaching = block.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote.
Here's a question I haven't been able to get an answer to. For those who don't believe in an afterlife, what does dying *feel* like? We may experience sleep or unconciousness, and that just feels like you suddenly wake up, remembering nothing. At no point do we experience "nothing". For those that say it's just like before you were born, doesn't that leave room for reincarnation? Does the birthing of a new conciousness not dip into the same pool of nothingness that death sends you to?
You wouldn't "feel" anything. At the point at which you die, your brain wouldn't be working. If your brain is not working, you're not feeling or thinking anything. I don't believe in souls, or anything besides our physical body. Our body is all we got. When that dies, you can't experience anything, including "nothing". Gosh that sounded weird.
I know I'll be with JESUS in a New Heaven which will be Paradise. Not gonna dissuade me. Also I voted watch you two argue.
no preaching. preaching = block.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote. and reincarnation is a belief system just like heaven and hell. so if you wanna get snooty about what can and cannot be said on this thread, the only answers that are acceptable are the ones that believe that you cease to exist.
I know I'll be with JESUS in a New Heaven which will be Paradise. Not gonna dissuade me. Also I voted watch you two argue.
no preaching. preaching = block.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote. and reincarnation is a belief system just like heaven and hell. so if you wanna get snooty about what can and cannot be said on this thread, the only answers that are acceptable are the ones that believe that you cease to exist.
wtf are you talking about I said nothing about reincarnation and heaven and hell/ reincarnation are used in multiple religions not just one. secondly the original post is preaching not because he/she posted the word jesus but because they said it basically like this: "I don't know about you but I know I'll be with jesus in heaven when I die and you can too if you convert." thats the basic message they sent if they had said something more like this: "well i'm a christian and believe that i will go to heaven." then it would be acceptable because they're not saying it at other people they're saying it to other people.
note: what I posted in quotations are not my opinions/ beliefs.
alright-I supose the last part would be,but still I don't think most the people will want another religous thread. Also he had a poll on what you think will happen,remember.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
what you have are not theories. they're just speculation based on (at the most) wishful thinking.
i can just as easily make my own "theory"
4. when you die, you end up in a land full of pink unicorns.
all we do know is we die, our body rots and we no longer exist.
no one knows what (if anything) happens after someone dies.
sucks, yes, i know...but reality often does. there's no reason to speculate or assume anything happens at all.
here's an easy way to think about it....where were you and what was it like billions of years before you were born?
I actually thought on this stuff and it makes sense your just someone who thinks your better by making excuses of what you think are mistakes. no. i just pointed out a very reasonable observation without any excuses. you, on the other hand, have suggested wild speculations not based in reality.
(btw, i don't think i'm better than anyone else..i do, however, think i can reason better than you....and i think my post shows this)
I know I'll be with JESUS in a New Heaven which will be Paradise. Not gonna dissuade me. Also I voted watch you two argue.
no preaching. preaching = block.
please take this warning seriously.so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote.
That's the most absurd justification for an attempt to censor someone for a disagreement of opinion that I have ever seen in my life. You are truly grasping at straws here. You can't have a thread about life after death without having some religious discussion in it, don't try to shut people up when they say something that you disagree with. Say something constructive to prove those religious nut cases wrong, rather than just telling them that they aren't allowed to speak, or what they are allowed to speak about, and how they are allowed to phrase their beliefs.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
what you have are not theories. they're just speculation based on (at the most) wishful thinking.
i can just as easily make my own "theory"
4. when you die, you end up in a land full of pink unicorns.
all we do know is we die, our body rots and we no longer exist.
no one knows what (if anything) happens after someone dies.
sucks, yes, i know...but reality often does. there's no reason to speculate or assume anything happens at all.
here's an easy way to think about it....where were you and what was it like billions of years before you were born?
I actually thought on this stuff and it makes sense your just someone who thinks your better by making excuses of what you think are mistakes. no. i just pointed out a very reasonable observation without any excuses. you, on the other hand, have suggested wild speculations not based in reality.
(btw, i don't think i'm better than anyone else..i do, however, think i can reason better than you....and i think my post shows this)
are you retarded and half blind my ideas/ theories make sense I explained the bug theory in the poll at the very beginning the dying and experiencing an eternal dream makes sense too because your technically unconscious when your dead. and the soul being reused and all memories lost (most of the time) makes sense too remember the guy who remembered being a nazi soldier clearly but he was only like 20 when he told people and that was like 4 years ago. so stop trying to be better than me deal with the fact that you're wrong and go back to whining about how fat you are and saying it's a disease.
and if you try bull sh*ting me again i will block it. I really, really hope you are joking.
alright-I supose the last part would be,but still I don't think most the people will want another religous thread. Also he had a poll on what you think will happen,remember.
i'm not trying to make it a religious thread i'm trying to keep it from that.
thanks for telling me what i already know about my own thread.
look,all I'm saying is that we have had enough religious debates and that this shoudn't turn into another one. just making sure that no one begins arguing over religion-didn't mean anything by it
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
look,all I'm saying is that we have had enough religious debates and that this shoudn't turn into another one. just making sure that no one begins arguing over religion-didn't mean anything by it
We know what you are saying, and the idea of discussing an afterlife or "what happens when you die" without having some debate over religion, is completely unavoidable...it's like trying to tell a bunch of soccer fans who's team just won a world cup to NOT riot.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
please take this warning seriously.
Heaven is not a valid concept for me for many reasons. For starters perfection is a matter of personal opinion. Heaven in itself would have to measure the total vision for everyones personal view of perfection. The argument that I often use is love. If for example you are in love with someone here on earth, but that person is never in love with you. When you die how exactly is this reinvented in heaven in order to suit your own needs? Sure you could have that person in your life, but then that's not heaven for the other person involved. Perhaps you could have a clone? Again, not perfection. Even if you where unaware of the person being a clone, it would not be perfection because you would be living a lie even if you were not aware of it.
The very concept of heaven will vary from one person to another as well. We cannot all have it our own way unless we are stripped of our personal opinions and perceptions; then made to believe what we see is what we wanted in the first place.
Heaven can exist on a personal level. But then like I said it would not be universal. And if it is on a personal level then what we have is a segment of heavens all created for each person in turn. And if that were to be the case that is again not perfection because not everyone would have the same heaven. If for example you wanted to visit a friend you would have to enter their personal vision of heaven therefore leaving your own - in a perfect heaven this would not be needed and is again where the flaw exists.
Perhaps it does exist, and perhaps the human brain in not capable of grasping such a concept and pulling it together in a way that makes sense. Perhaps not.
In any case which ever theory you adhere too, don't let anyone change your mind because it's 'perfect' for you.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
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please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote.
You wouldn't "feel" anything. At the point at which you die, your brain wouldn't be working. If your brain is not working, you're not feeling or thinking anything. I don't believe in souls, or anything besides our physical body. Our body is all we got. When that dies, you can't experience anything, including "nothing". Gosh that sounded weird.
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no sreiously-all this is preaching:staying dead,god,reincarnation,pink unicorns,ect. And why aren't you two arguing
P.S.that whole not feeling anything is the point. I really don't want to live forever anywhere.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote. and reincarnation is a belief system just like heaven and hell. so if you wanna get snooty about what can and cannot be said on this thread, the only answers that are acceptable are the ones that believe that you cease to exist.
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please take this warning seriously. so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote. and reincarnation is a belief system just like heaven and hell. so if you wanna get snooty about what can and cannot be said on this thread, the only answers that are acceptable are the ones that believe that you cease to exist.
wtf are you talking about I said nothing about reincarnation and heaven and hell/ reincarnation are used in multiple religions not just one. secondly the original post is preaching not because he/she posted the word jesus but because they said it basically like this: "I don't know about you but I know I'll be with jesus in heaven when I die and you can too if you convert." thats the basic message they sent if they had said something more like this: "well i'm a christian and believe that i will go to heaven." then it would be acceptable because they're not saying it at other people they're saying it to other people.
note: what I posted in quotations are not my opinions/ beliefs.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
(btw, i don't think i'm better than anyone else..i do, however, think i can reason better than you....and i think my post shows this)
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please take this warning seriously.so if someone says that they will be with Jesus, thats preaching, but its not preaching to say that well be coming back as insects, lol, or trees? or that once youre dead youre dead? thats not preaching, but mentioning Jesus, is? what a load. please take this common sense seriously.
jesus is a religious figure your soul being trapped in a bug is not.
this is not a religious thread if you want to post a religious comment just say that you believe in that religion don't say it like you'll get something good and everyone else doesn't. thats why i highlighted the I'll in the first post in this quote.
That's the most absurd justification for an attempt to censor someone for a disagreement of opinion that I have ever seen in my life. You are truly grasping at straws here. You can't have a thread about life after death without having some religious discussion in it, don't try to shut people up when they say something that you disagree with. Say something constructive to prove those religious nut cases wrong, rather than just telling them that they aren't allowed to speak, or what they are allowed to speak about, and how they are allowed to phrase their beliefs.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
(btw, i don't think i'm better than anyone else..i do, however, think i can reason better than you....and i think my post shows this)
are you retarded and half blind my ideas/ theories make sense I explained the bug theory in the poll at the very beginning the dying and experiencing an eternal dream makes sense too because your technically unconscious when your dead. and the soul being reused and all memories lost (most of the time) makes sense too remember the guy who remembered being a nazi soldier clearly but he was only like 20 when he told people and that was like 4 years ago. so stop trying to be better than me deal with the fact that you're wrong and go back to whining about how fat you are and saying it's a disease.
and if you try bull sh*ting me again i will block it. I really, really hope you are joking.
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thanks for telling me what i already know about my own thread.
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I really don't now what too say, im not religios or something, but i think we just are having a neverending dream
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