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Can there even be a PK server???
Canyonman
Member Posts: 8
I was wondering if there was even a chance of there being a full PK server in this game.
I know it could never come close to the glory of the old UO. But can it even have a sever like Darktide in AC, or Mord in DAoC. Yes im the guy that killed you and stole your stuff in UO. And reveled in my Dread Lord Status. Im the guy that reached level 100 1st and lorded over all the little people on AC/Darktide.Im the guy that had 10 level 50s in DAoC and cut you down from stealth as you made that big pull of mobs. Im the guy that fights wars in High sec space in EVE. Just because your easy prey.
In sort. Im everything most of you hate. Im a PK. 
Thats right a real PK. A Red. A Player killer.
I know that I will suffer the usual attacks for even thrying to bring up this subject but thats ok. Iv got thick skin. But is the game world large enough for a "open" full on PK server. Or is there something else in the game mechnics that make it to hard to do, I know that there are few of us that remain but for the ones that do, I can tell you that we would flock to this game if it had such a server. Warhammer is a rich world made for such harsh play.
I know the game is fashioned after the table top game and that hurts it IMO. The roleplaying game is far better and would suit my purpose. But it could still work perhaps. At any rate I was just wondering as I know that most of you will have far more info than I. What do you think/know about the possibility. Can it even be done given what is known about the game so far.
PS I know my gammer sucks as well as my spelling. And the fact that it upsets you. Only makes me stronger.
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Proud Member of Mongbat
Lets think about it, how many people while figting the other side also want to worry about their realm mate killing them? WAR is about conquering zones and eventually destroying one side. This would not work on a PvP server and has nothing to other the game outside of griefing. I mean there will be plenty of people to kill, why make it possible to kill your own race?
In order to work that game would need to be redesigned so as to give full PvP purpose. This would be a different game than what is planned and something like AoC is more likely to be up your alley if that is what you want. I can see it working in AoC since it is designed around guild warfare and not realm warfare.
Proud Member of Mongbat
I think i remember one of the interviews with paul saying that they were not planning on even having duels....and if thats true, then i doubt the'll let a "PK server" in(Well atleast not at or around launch).
Also, i Realy don't have any idea how free for all PvP fits in with the GW IP that mythic is following so carefully. I mean, i'm sure in some circumstances is could be explained for in the warhammer world...but not in such a way that would allow for everyone just running around killing thier own race.
It amazes me how everytime a new mmo that involves pvp comes up this subject comes up by atleast 1 person. I admit I have the urge to flame the mess out of you from my own experiences with the old days of UO before they tamed pvp but it was ages ago, what 10+ years ago now. The likely hood that any game will launch with a free for all pvp server is pratically nill. I believe this because a mmo launches their first priority is to make sure everything is working properly. Adding a free for all server would introduce a whole new load of things to watch for so why bother for such a small community.
You have to remember UO did get the whole pvp massacre of the innocents started, BUT it is very very different from most MMO's. There was and are no quest system, no leveling, and to be honest magical items are easy to come by. Its all about skill its based on a real world system of you can be anything you want to be. You want to be nothing but a tailor fine, want to herd animals fine. Want to be a fishermen excellent. Want to be a dread lord awsome. Games like Warhammer, WoW, Everquest and so on are not designed that way. So free for all pvp is a secondary thought that is often offered if there's a big enough call from his current subscribers.
As for the chances of one in Warhammer I don't see how that would really fit into the mythos of the world, but it is possible that with enough numbers asking for it they could give you one down the line after launch. Honestly only the orcs would be the most likely race to want to kill each other for dominance if they keep to the mythos of the world.
Good luck with your dreams of remaining an immortal **stard.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Personally i hope there is a PK server, just so i dont have to play with people like the OP.
I mean no offense by that, im sure that you are a lovely person and we'd get on famously IRL, but you've pointed out that you get your jollies by essentially ruining other peoples fun. To me that says griefer, chat spammer, ninja looter, and all round irritant.
I want to come home from a long day at the office slaving over a hot compiler and enjoy myself by PvPing, or grabbing some mates and doing a quick dungeon trip, not by being corpse camped / etc.
So i hope that there is a server that caters to your needs canyonman, you and the other 10 people who like to play like that can go off and have the time of your life, and I can do the same.
win / win.
btw, is your eve toon canyonman as well? just need to know who i need to avoid next time i pop into highsec and start feeling safe
It costs money to buy and run a server. It costs money and (more critically) developer and tester time to create a new ruleset and code it into the engine. It takes money and developer/tester time at each new patch to make sure that the changes work properly on the odd server type.
So you're asking for mythic to spend a lot of money to attract... what additional income exactly? I don't see how people like the OP would be strongly attracted to a server where there's no blue for them to gank and loot, and most people have zero interest in that sort of thing. So how many additional subscriptions do you think they'd pull in by spending money to make this new server type?
After the two pvp servers merged, Mordred had a very respectable server population. What killed off that population? TOA. This pve treadmill expansion went against everything that made Mordred so great. The core population just wanted to pvp, not chase glowiez and raid mobs. Which is also why the 'classic' servers are so popular now. People would flood back to DAoC if they released a classic Mordred. Well at least I know I would.
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It costs money to buy and run a server. It costs money and (more critically) developer and tester time to create a new ruleset and code it into the engine. It takes money and developer/tester time at each new patch to make sure that the changes work properly on the odd server type.
So you're asking for mythic to spend a lot of money to attract... what additional income exactly? I don't see how people like the OP would be strongly attracted to a server where there's no blue for them to gank and loot, and most people have zero interest in that sort of thing. So how many additional subscriptions do you think they'd pull in by spending money to make this new server type?
I'm not asking Mythic to do anything. I don't like playing on PK servers, but I'm just saying people look at this type of thing from their own viewpoint rather than taking others' interests into consideration. I hated Mordred on DAOC with a passion, but there are a good amount of people that liked it and Mythic tried cater to that audience rather than telling them to go jump in a lake like some other companies would. That's the only point I was making. But regardless of opinions, interest, resources, cost, whatever...in the end it comes down to Games Workshop saying yes or no...and I don't see them saying yes.Proud Member of Mongbat
Specific servers have two impacts:
- they cater to particuliar groups.
- they concentrate players with similar interests.
I don't know which point is most important, but been with peoples who look for the same type of entertainment improve the gaming experience of all players, serverwide. All PKers been on 1 or 2 servers improve the gaming experience of everyone else...and of the PKers themselves, as if they PK, they will get a favorable reaction even if it is harsh. Same apply with each and every specific server minding, it improve the community on every server, by making it so that like-minded players shared the same gaming environment.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
OK, so you're more interested in silly semantics than real discussion.
Actually, from their own comments this isn't what the PKers really want - they want easy gank targets and the ability to cause an unfavorable reaction. This is the biggest problem with a "PK-only" server, they want to beat up 'blues' but the whole server will be 'reds'. It's very different than making servers for groups that don't want victims; you'd be happy with a game with no-raid servers, because you don't need raiders in your game to enjoy it.
OK, so you're more interested in silly semantics than real discussion.
Well, in all honesty I could say the same thing about you being more interested in starting petty arguments. I'm just trying to look at the subject from both sides, rather than just giving a one-sided opinion. I don't see where anything I have said would not qualify as real discussion.Proud Member of Mongbat
No, you're doing silly stuff like responding to a post where I point out that 'not many players want it' is actually a good reason for not spending money and developement time on specialist servers. Rather than actually discuss that, you decided to take issue with my exact wording and complain that you weren't actually asking Mythic to do anything when it's clear that I was using a common figure of speech. And you don't seem to be looking at it from the side of Mythic, who want to actually make money on their game.
Proud Member of Mongbat
But if they keep it RvR only, then that is how it will be as there will be jerks ANY where you go.
Difference between a RvR PvP and FFA PvP is that the people can start watching over themselves once the server and game Mature.
That is why I prefer a PK server and pray they add one someday
And if they do add a FFA PvP, why hate on it?
All teh people that do not like that gamestyle can play on teh STANDARD Servers that will outnumber it probably 20:1.
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As far as game community is concerned it gives the hardcore PvPers, PKers, Gankers and Griefers an environment which they enjoy. This secures a niche community for the game and keeps such individuals (I consider myself one) and guilds from disrupting the less bloodthirsty players.
Will it happen? who knows but its in everyones interests to try in make it happen.
Well after I made this post I left for vacation. So I never had a chance to look to see how it had been recieved.
Well. It went about like I had expected.
Even tho there are some of you that looked as if you understood what I was asking for there was many many others who only wanted to attack me as a.....well lets see.
A Chat-Spamer......Nah if you see me your dead so....why would I talk to you.
A Ninja looter.......well come on. If you found a dead guy with a million bucks on him you would at least think about taking it. Ya know U would. I just do it, after all im just "staying in character with my toon"
A Easy Target Ganker/A griefer.......well thats what being a thief/killer is all about. And how many of you in DAoC have been runing in a 8 man group and come across 1 or 2 toons from the other realm and not killed them. Not many id bet, but some im sure. Easy gank fest there id say.
A irritant.......well if any of the above upsets you......id ask why, as its all been done to me a 1000 times over and im still going strong.
A Immortal **stard. Ouch wheres the love m8. Dont be a hater.
For the guy who asked me if my EVE name was Canyonman.....no its not. But if you give me your EVE name ill make it a point not to attack you as a measure of good faith. Ahhh I must be geting old.
Morderd was ok with me, not perfect but good. So I know Mythic could do that with this game. Yes there was Andred the 2nd PK server but that was Mythic not understanding that the overflow of peeps from the release of Mord was just care-bare PK-wannabes. Not true PKers.
I dont mind playing in a RvR set up. Just find it limted. And after a bit boring. Perhaps they will come out with the Undead in this game and as not even Orks/Chaos or anything or anyone else for that matter wants to be "undead" as to get there you have to be "dead" 1st. Than I could fit in there in a RvR sort of way. I may not be able to kill other undead guys, but id get to attack everyone else.
Someone said that GW would not want a PK server as it did not go with there idea of the game world or something like that. LOL well if the server only had say 2000 peeps on it or even a 1000 than GW would do it. Have you looked at the price of a game fig these days, they would sell there mother for a buck. There all about more money m8. And besides this game is not following the table top game that close if you ask me. Its about money, money and more money. I dont blame them for that, in fact I hope they make tons of cash. I know I would.
Well crap.......the boss it comeing back early. So iv got to go. I should pk him.
P.S. I know my gramer sucks as well as my spelling and the fact that it upests you only makes me stronger.
Actually, DAoC originally ran on 1.6GHZ P4's with 20 or 30 Gig Hard drives. (not expensive at all) There was a Mythic post years ago when they upgraded hardward, Sonya posted a pic of an original server and how amazed she was that all it was was a small little PC. As for Developer time, FFA PvP is fairly easy to implement, simply remove the faction check when targeting that will allow FFA PvP. Yes, there is the issue of making players 'red' and having guards kill them, but that could be done with a simple faction swap or modifier. I don't think in reality its all that complicated. Also, Mordred and Andred kept THOUSANDS of people playing for YEARS.... thats MILLIONS of dollars that Mythic would have lost out on, so I think they made a good investment and they know it, I for one would be surprised if they did not have a PvP server at some point.
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Well before I can say anything useful let me just get this off my chest.
Your a pussy.
You dont like pvp.
You like griefing. Dont be ashamed...this is you.
If you had any real skill and understood pvp you would enjoy the challenge of fighting competent players.
Warhammer is not for you.
Warhammer is about the challenge, its about war and its about PvP.
lol and Im not worried about the small population of Griefers like yourself. Everyone will already be FLOCKING to this game, we dont need the griefers.
SO um... yeah Piss off and cheery o and all that good stuff.
I can feel your anger.
And I like it.
Funny how myself and others like me can make so many peeps so upset. When all we are talking about it a game. Thats right set down the cool aid.....and slowly back away.
From what I can tell after all these years its never "what" im doing that makes peeps mad. Not really. Its the fact that I dont live in there...Cant we all.....Just get along mentality .
And im laughing
at there political correctness. Because at whatever level the game sets as max. 
I will still be at the top of the food chain.
Able to kill them as easy as I can all those lowbies everyone seems so concerned about. Its because they think im a "griefer" When all I do is simply all the game will let me do. Its because we the PKs alwasy seem to have the "best" stuff, the most uber items, the most kills, the most money, the most of everything the game lets us have. And we have it because we are not afraid to take it. And most of all. The most fun. It just eats them up inside. In fact they dont hate me, they hate all that I have, and can do in a game. And the fact that I wont say im sorry for doing it. In sort there envious of my wealth,and jealous of my power. But whats the best about all the hate that they cast at me, is the fact that all I asked is would there be a PK server. Not that I wanted all servers to be wide open pvp. So they cast all that anger at me for nothing as im sure they would never set foot on a "real" server. U know they ones where your mother dont hold your hand. IM LAUGHING
There are many other (slowly-dieing....well perhaps with the exception of Eve and Lineage II) games out there that cater to you, go play one of them. If you are so poor at gaming that fighting those of a similar or higher level on a battlefield with no advantages scares you then please go somewhere where you can prey on those who can never fight back.
Or you could swallow your (ample) pride and give honest combat a try, but you'd probably whine too much, your type always do. (y'know, you gank a lowbie only to find its an alt and when the main and his guild show up you start shouting about how its so unfair that they outnumber you......yada yada.)
The ones that ALWAYS fall back on the 'shouldn't we fight fair' are the ones that pick on those below them.