COH VS. LINEAGE 2

mastachief05 · April 2004

Wat would u choose? Lineage 2 or City of Heroes?

Place your votes now!!

Misti · April 2004

I have heard good things about CoH but personally I can't get into the whole super hero thing in a mmorpg format. I am enjoying L2 currently so have to vote with that.

ramadin · April 2004

Im not big on Super Hero's either, but after playing both games, CoH is MUCH MUCH better. The character customization is SOOOO amazing, and you can fly. Lineage 2 is just like FFXI/SoR/KO/RYI etc etc. with slight differences here and there. Its awesome that someone finally came out with an original game.

City of Hero's Characters:
- Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -

rathma · April 2004

CoH by a long shot. As Ramadin said, the character custimization is unbeliveable. The game has the most fun, fast paced combat i have ever seen in an MMORPG. Flying around the city, great controls, and cool places to explore gives alot more freedom to the game, and raises the bar on the MMO genre.

Game Rankings
City of Heroes: W00T!!!!! ::::08::
FFXI: Ok
Lineage II: No....
SWG: get out.... ::::36::

higgsboson · April 2004

Originally posted by rathma
CoH by a long shot. As Ramadin said, the character custimization is unbeliveable. The game has the most fun, fast paced combat i have ever seen in an MMORPG. Flying around the city, great controls, and cool places to explore gives alot more freedom to the game, and raises the bar on the MMO genre.

Game Rankings
City of Heroes: W00T!!!!!
FFXI: Ok
Lineage II: No....
SWG: get out....

Relax man no one is taking down CoH. BTW what character are you playing in CoH?

Ominis · April 2004

I would have to with COH too. I was in the L2 closed Beta and I just wasn't very pleased by it. Nothing really special about it, just like the other 90% of MMORPGs out right now (plus the whole perverted, skimpy chick thing...). What the have isn't terrible, it's just stuff we've already seen before. That's why I have to go with COH. It's something different and pretty much everyone I heard talk about it have only said good things.

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korgath1 · April 2004

i voted for COH as well. the lineage 2 interface is another point and click to move one and the targeting system sucks, lag is definately an issue with L2 and even with high powered machines you can get bogged down easily if alot of people are in the same area.

COH on the other hand you c an have hundreds of people on screen and no problems. at one point devs were spawning mobs by the hundreds on top of each other and players were nuking them with AOE attacks. was an incredible sight to see. interface is easily one of the easiest to get a handle on that i've ever used.

Maximane · April 2004

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BigPeeler · April 2004

comparing Lineage 2 to CoH is like apples and oranges...

Lineage 2 = PvP based fantasy game

CoH = non-PvP based, modern day superhero game...

their both made by the same company so u cant really go by that either...

anyways their both good games but in their own ways... PvP fanatics will go for L2, while comic book fans and non-pvp'ers will go for CoH...

loreofchaos · April 2004

personally i hate both even though there not the same thing its the company and the way the games are being made and the ways they are doing it the god damn company of ncsoft is a total ripoff meaning its crap with the ways of coh its rather corrupted to me with the hole god damn beta cd deal i mean what kind of **** is that is total bs i think the other ncsoft in other countrys such as china are actually pretty fair in there dealings you must find out on your own what i mean by *corrupted*

a job of a lorer is to preach the history of chaos with out the lorer of chaos all would be in chaos

Kuzzle · April 2004

You didn't use any punctuation what-so-ever. Not even a single period. Scarey. City of Heroes looks awesome.

loreofchaos · April 2004

that was settled ok evryone im off the forum tonight got work in the morning

Ceyan · April 2004

Neither.

Lineage 2 - Awesome game with a huge potential in the Castle Siege system (which, despite what others may say, hasn't been matched even in concept) and the idea behind raising the Dragons to where you can mount and fly on them. Also has a "ultimate boss" monstor that crushes what even Everquest offers (in my opinion). However, a gind the likes of which hasn't been seen in the a fully 3D MMO yet (or at least that I've seen).

Not to mention NCSoft usually has the best intentions at heart, but manages to screw it up. Case in point with Lineage 2, the balancing of the Silver Ranger (basically the Ranger was faster than anything out there for base speed, so you could kite to your hearts content and have almost no fear against mob or player), their solution wasn't to fix the Ranger, it was to edit the speeds of the mobs so they got faster. Essentially that put the Silver Ranger on a more level playing field based on the other classes before the change, but they screwed over every other mage and ranged character in the game. Not to mention upping the mob speed doesn't really effect PvP.

City Of Heroes - Great concept, hell, freaking amazing concept. No staying power. Quite simply, CoH doesn't even have a mid-game, let alone an end-game. For one, the core of the games combat system isn't very flexible for the mid-end game. Yes, it's nice to go around killing gangs and doing those missions, but the enviroment limits you to how out of control you can get with that idea. In a fantasy game the typical progression is to from basic rabbits to demons. In CoH I imagine they'll throw in some sort of variet with boss type characters, but you're still limited to goons & thugs for the basic monsters. You can play with that formula a bit by creating the seperate zones as they have, but you're still stuck in the same general enviroment. If they deviate too far from that path, you'll lose some of the Comic Book feel, which losing your theme at the end game is very bad. Of course, I could be wrong about all that, I'm basing my information based on the beta and developer statements.

Second, there is no equipment. A very big selling point is the collection of equipment and customizing your character that way. I remember a 3 month period where I played several different MMORPGs just so I could find an cool looking Polearm setup (and I know I'm not the only one to feel like that). Not to mention the collection of equipment is a short-term goal (even in most of Everquest). Yes, reaching the next level is a goal as well, but it joins with the idea of being a bad-ass maxxed level character. Long-term goal, not short-term. City of Heroes is the first game I've seen that offers no real Short-term goal except for killing that next monster (but when all the monsters follow the same pattern, it's really difficult to count that).

They'd both be great games if you could only skip the first couple months of Lineage 2 and jump right it in a built-up character so you can avoid the huge grind until you get the fun stuff in the mid-second tier class range. City of Heroes would be fun for just the first couple of months until you get tired of bashing gangs and running missions and find there isn't anything else to do (and I'm not saying PvP is a solution, I'm just saying variety in monsters and non-combat options).

loreofchaos · April 2004

Originally posted by Ceyan

Neither.
Lineage 2 - Awesome game with a huge potential in the Castle Siege system (which, despite what others may say, hasn't been matched even in concept) and the idea behind raising the Dragons to where you can mount and fly on them. Also has a "ultimate boss" monstor that crushes what even Everquest offers (in my opinion). However, a gind the likes of which hasn't been seen in the a fully 3D MMO yet (or at least that I've seen).
Not to mention NCSoft usually has the best intentions at heart, but manages to screw it up. Case in point with Lineage 2, the balancing of the Silver Ranger (basically the Ranger was faster than anything out there for base speed, so you could kite to your hearts content and have almost no fear against mob or player), their solution wasn't to fix the Ranger, it was to edit the speeds of the mobs so they got faster. Essentially that put the Silver Ranger on a more level playing field based on the other classes before the change, but they screwed over every other mage and ranged character in the game. Not to mention upping the mob speed doesn't really effect PvP.
City Of Heroes - Great concept, hell, freaking amazing concept. No staying power. Quite simply, CoH doesn't even have a mid-game, let alone an end-game. For one, the core of the games combat system isn't very flexible for the mid-end game. Yes, it's nice to go around killing gangs and doing those missions, but the enviroment limits you to how out of control you can get with that idea. In a fantasy game the typical progression is to from basic rabbits to demons. In CoH I imagine they'll throw in some sort of variet with boss type characters, but you're still limited to goons & thugs for the basic monsters. You can play with that formula a bit by creating the seperate zones as they have, but you're still stuck in the same general enviroment. If they deviate too far from that path, you'll lose some of the Comic Book feel, which losing your theme at the end game is very bad. Of course, I could be wrong about all that, I'm basing my information based on the beta and developer statements.
Second, there is no equipment. A very big selling point is the collection of equipment and customizing your character that way. I remember a 3 month period where I played several different MMORPGs just so I could find an cool looking Polearm setup (and I know I'm not the only one to feel like that). Not to mention the collection of equipment is a short-term goal (even in most of Everquest). Yes, reaching the next level is a goal as well, but it joins with the idea of being a bad-ass maxxed level character. Long-term goal, not short-term. City of Heroes is the first game I've seen that offers no real Short-term goal except for killing that next monster (but when all the monsters follow the same pattern, it's really difficult to count that).
They'd both be great games if you could only skip the first couple months of Lineage 2 and jump right it in a built-up character so you can avoid the huge grind until you get the fun stuff in the mid-second tier class range. City of Heroes would be fun for just the first couple of months until you get tired of bashing gangs and running missions and find there isn't anything else to do (and I'm not saying PvP is a solution, I'm just saying variety in monsters and non-combat options).

nvm you edited the post just keep it to the topic man

a job of a lorer is to preach the history of chaos with out the lorer of chaos all would be in chaos

loreofchaos · April 2004

damn cant go to sleep keep thinking what are they saying about good old chaos LOL

a job of a lorer is to preach the history of chaos with out the lorer of chaos all would be in chaos

-Jan- · April 2004

I never tested Lineage 2, but now that CoH has lifted the NDA I have to say that it has absolutely no long term appeal. CoH is a good game, but I can't imagine anyone (exept the diehard fans) playing it 6+ months.

Maxxx · April 2004

CoH is like SWG.
Its made for Casual gamers.

Meaning CoH has nothing for people who max out their characters.

Razorback · April 2004

Good question.... and not a good question...

Not a good question becuase it comparing apples and oranges a bit. But a good question because the games have the same release date (corporate brainwave) and they are both competing for a slice of a the same market to a certain extent at least anyway.

Well I am in both Betas so lets start with CoH since the NDA was just lifted so I can speak my tiny mind.

CoH is at once the most exciting and the most frustrating MMO I have yet played. It is exciting in that it lives up to pretty much every bit of hype you have heard in my opinion. It has excellent graphics, sound, gameplay, super hero stuff.... all the bells and whistles basically. If you have been waiting for this game I doubt you will be dissapointed. However it is frustrating because the heros seem a little um..... "needy" I guess is the word. I mean I have been into the whole super hero thing for a long time and I have read A LOT of comincs and played a $hitload of pen and paper superhero type games. I fully appreciate that no one hero can do it all... even superman need help now and then, all you Galactus and Silver Surfer people just save it... this isnt about who is strongest... ....What Im saying is this may be a super hero theme and that carries some "conventions" but this is also the world of MMO's and some of us wanna solo past level 10.... thats all Im saying..

I have pre- orederd CoH and I will play it for quite a while I reckon because its a LOT of fun and thats what games are about right ?? So without going into some half baked review of a game thats not even released let me just say that even in its current state it is better than just about any retail release I can think of in every accepted measure and its still got 3 odd weeks of work to go. I give it and a half out of 5 thumbs

Now for Lineage. Ok as far as I know the NDA is still in place because I have not had mail to tell me other wise so all I can say is this. I spent almost 3 months playing Horizons, most people who play these games that I know seem to think I must have some sort of intelectual deficiency for lasting that long. Maybe I am easily amused, who knows. I feel like I have already spent at least that long in Lineage and I have been testing for a week .....I am certain they have lots more to add etc before release.....

Tymora · April 2004

I only know CoH from what I have been reading on these boards. I think there are some good things about it, except for the fact that there will be 1,000s of SuperHeroes flying around the city. If I were an NPC in that city, I would feel pretty damn safe. Anyway, a game about a world filled with superheroes does not interest me, so I vote Lineage II. It is fun to play, and it seems like it will only get better at higher levels. There may be 1000's of other Elves that look like me, but in a fantasy-based mmorpg, ther are supposed to be lots of Elves.

ramadin · April 2004

In CoH theres more than just 1 city. And the number of mobs still outnumbers players. Most hero's cant fly. I dont think people should be able to vote unless they have played both since people are making comments that are false. Lineage 2 is old hat, its all been done before, booooring.

City of Hero's Characters:
- Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -

Tymora · April 2004

Originally posted by ramadin

In CoH theres more than just 1 city. And the number of mobs still outnumbers players. Most hero's cant fly. I dont think people should be able to vote unless they have played both since people are making comments that are false. Lineage 2 is old hat, its all been done before, booooring.

City of Hero's Characters:
- Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -

I am not trying to say what CoH has or does not have. As I stated to begin my post, I only know what I have read on these boards. It is not the actual mechanics and content that turns me off to CoH, it is just the idea of there being so many Superheroes, 1 city or a dozen. If I am going to be a Superhero, I want to play the only one that the citizens (NPCs) look up to for defense and protection. In CoH, if I am not there to get the job done, you can bet there will be another superhero next in line waiting to step up and save the day. To me, Superheroes are individuals that are exceptional. When there are so many of them, they seem to lose their spark, but that's just my opinion. I never said there was anything wrong with this style for CoH, I just said it doesn't interest me. Whether it is completely original or whatever, if I am not interested, I won't try it. There was enough in the Lineage II beta for me to get interested, so I tried it and even if it "has been done before" or it's "old hat", it is still interesting to me and fun to play. That should be enough to base my vote on.

Selek · April 2004

im in COH and L2... lineage 2 just sucks, sorry but I really don't like it. COH on the other hand rocks, so my votes for COH

-Selek

ramadin · April 2004

Originally posted by Tymora

I am not trying to say what CoH has or does not have. As I stated to begin my post, I only know what I have read on these boards. It is not the actual mechanics and content that turns me off to CoH, it is just the idea of there being so many Superheroes, 1 city or a dozen. If I am going to be a Superhero, I want to play the only one that the citizens (NPCs) look up to for defense and protection. In CoH, if I am not there to get the job done, you can bet there will be another superhero next in line waiting to step up and save the day. To me, Superheroes are individuals that are exceptional. When there are so many of them, they seem to lose their spark, but that's just my opinion. I never said there was anything wrong with this style for CoH, I just said it doesn't interest me. Whether it is completely original or whatever, if I am not interested, I won't try it. There was enough in the Lineage II beta for me to get interested, so I tried it and even if it "has been done before" or it's "old hat", it is still interesting to me and fun to play. That should be enough to base my vote on.

CoH is no different from L2 or any other game in the fact that there may be 1000's of heros or 1000's of elves. You work as a team in CoH, you work as a team in L2. If you look at it, youre just a super hero Elf among other super hero elves.

City of Hero's Characters:
- Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -

Misti · April 2004

Originally posted by Tymora

Originally posted by ramadin

In CoH theres more than just 1 city. And the number of mobs still outnumbers players. Most hero's cant fly. I dont think people should be able to vote unless they have played both since people are making comments that are false. Lineage 2 is old hat, its all been done before, booooring.

City of Hero's Characters:
- Black Samurai - Mezmo Man - Flare -

I am not trying to say what CoH has or does not have. As I stated to begin my post, I only know what I have read on these boards. It is not the actual mechanics and content that turns me off to CoH, it is just the idea of there being so many Superheroes, 1 city or a dozen. If I am going to be a Superhero, I want to play the only one that the citizens (NPCs) look up to for defense and protection. In CoH, if I am not there to get the job done, you can bet there will be another superhero next in line waiting to step up and save the day. To me, Superheroes are individuals that are exceptional. When there are so many of them, they seem to lose their spark, but that's just my opinion. I never said there was anything wrong with this style for CoH, I just said it doesn't interest me. Whether it is completely original or whatever, if I am not interested, I won't try it. There was enough in the Lineage II beta for me to get interested, so I tried it and even if it "has been done before" or it's "old hat", it is still interesting to me and fun to play. That should be enough to base my vote on.

I completely agree with you Tymora.

Thats one of the big turn offs to me for CoH even if the game is excellently implemented. To me its just like having everyone wanting to be a jedi in SWG, it just doesnt work in a way that makes sense to the game world or a way I would enjoy playing.

I hope CoH does well though because I am sure there is an audiance for it as the posts have shown.

rndygiles · April 2004

I have played both L2 and CoH for at least a month now. I have to say that CoH wins hands down.

L2 has what looks like a fun concept, but the game has just been played. Everytime I get in I feel bored. It reminds me a lot of Shadowbane, and I played that for 3-4 months straight and get a cold shiver everytime I think of it now.

CoH keeps me wanting to play 24/7 (which I would if it weren't for sleep and work). It's extremely fast paced and you don't have to fight then rest then fight and then rest again. Getting in groups is extremely fun because of the vast majority of powers you can group with. Not everyone has flight, some have teleport (like nightcrawler), or hi jumping powers, or Invisibility, or more. The base powers are extremely different as well.

CoH will definately have my attention for quite a while.

Nmbr6 · April 2004

I really didn't like either game- L2 is a huge leveling fest(leveling takes forever) and CoH is just a fanisty game with a superhero mod, and has no player villians and weak pvp. You should have a choice of neither.

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