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World of Warcraft: A Glimpse of The Burning Crusade

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  • NicoliNicoli Member Posts: 1,312
    Originally posted by Shijuki

    @ spazztic2003:



    It's amusing to see people think questing is the only way to gain xp, if you dont like quests, dont do them simple as that. Also, its your own fault for spending all that time getting the pvp set when we all knew that in BC greens will be better than lvl 60 epics.
    I'd like to see you list all the methods of gaining experience in WoW. The last i checked seemed to be only 2 major ways to gain experience and 1 secondary method being:



    Killing mobs

    Finishing Quests

    also some from "exploring" a new area



    so if you plan to level in WoW  you might as well do quests since they will almost invariably require to kill something along the way.



    Now for a item driven game at the level cap do you expect people to not play just incase an expansion is going to come out.
  • DeiothDeioth Member UncommonPosts: 64
    Originally posted by Shijuki

    @ spazztic2003:



    It's amusing to see people think questing is the only way to gain xp, if you dont like quests, dont do them simple as that. Also, its your own fault for spending all that time getting the pvp set when we all knew that in BC greens will be better than lvl 60 epics.
    It's either grind, or grind while you quest.  At least one nets you rep and extra loot.
  • player321player321 Member Posts: 28
    Originally posted by coffee

    I too hoped for more in TBC, im 62 now but will press on to 70 and see if things pick up, but right now it feels very GRINDY, intances are nice, but maybe a little too short.



    On my server PVP horde and alliance are happy to quest next to each other, I hope this will change soon and make grinding a little more interesting.

  • RuffozRuffoz Member UncommonPosts: 76
    My real life friend was one of those people buying the game that night, I didn't buy it because I wanted to wait for him to try it out..

    I knew what was coming, I thought 2 races won't save a game, and the game will be exactly the same stuff over and over..

    So well,  I finally quited, now I'm waiting for AoC, which seems to have what I expect from a MMORPG, meanwhile I sometimes play AA

    but that has nothing to do with it

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  • monkey48monkey48 Member Posts: 3

    This review was poorly done to say the least. I am not here to argue that it should have shown TBC in a different light, just one with more accuracy. This so called "review" ressembles more a QQ post on things he didnt like such as rep grinds he clearly dislikes. So to go into more detail about this "inaccuracy" I would like to say a few things regaurding this article.

    1. First off I would like to talk about the different rep groups there are. Yes, there are many different rep groups that have been added, however he made the false assumption that the rep "grind" was the way it was pre-BC. Rep is much easier to get. Do the instances in the zone a couple times and bam ur at honored. Plenty of qeusts that will give u rewards in gear, money, and rep. The very first zone, there is an instance with 4 parts (however 1 is a raid so I will leave that one out.) The first 2 can give rep up to honored very quickly. Add in rep from qeusts u initially get and the grind is already have done in a couple days. The at lvl 70 u do the last wing and because u have lvled up more qeusts are now avaible to you thus giving u access to more rep. The reviewer of this article, not having spent more time investigating and lvling would not have known this.

    2. Another fact about the rep would be the nuumbers of groups. Although there are many groups to gain rep with, he failed to mention that with a few groups, gaining rep with one will cause your rep to drop with another thus making choices in who you side with (ex. scryer vs. alador) more important and cutting down on the number of factions to get rep with.

    3. Another thing the reviewer complains about is the look of the first zone as compared to the existing blasted lands. While yes it may look similar, many parts of the zone are very unique (demon held forge camps, the warp fields, the canyon area to southwest, ect.) and hold a variety of different things to do and see. Even the parts that do look similar have rifts of fire shooting out, burning crevices, and such. But yes it does share similarties although it is to be expected as WC3:TFT showed what the hellfire area looked like so it was already established in looks so no getting around that unless they changed everything which would have been worse.

    4. He also harps on the city of Shattrah being blue (meaning no pvp). This may seem out of line with the whole idea of war however within  the story and importance of the city of Shattrah it is easy to understand why this is so and pvp would actually seem out of fit for this major city (in terms of player use and story lore). This is the only city that is blue so its no big deal and evidently the reviewer just likes gankers in cities i guess.

    5. He also complains about qeusts that are nothing more then kill x and kill y then bring back z. While these qeusts do exist he has failed to mention the other types of qeusts that can be found.  There are the bombing missions, qeusts which involve collection materials to create costumes to infiltrate and assasinate, spy, collect, those that involve. There are quests that involve long story arcs that will involve different quest types, items, places, and tell the story of the zone, person, ect. The review since he just touched upon different things would only have found the qeusts to kill stuff since they are usually the first ones u get since it helps u explore the zone looking for the creatues/humaniods and gives u a feel for the enimies of the particular faction, and helps u understand the events going on in the zone before u start to get actively involved in working within the story. So while his short sighted view of the avaiable quests is not accurate, it is understandable how he would come to this conlusion.

    6. Next I would like to talk about the pvp outdoor objectives. He calls them a grind but has failed to mention the mechanics or what rewards they yeild. For this example I will discuss the pvp city of Halaa in the Nagrand zone. Basically you cap the city the same way you do a tower in EPL. However once that happens the city becomes yours with vendors and gaurds spawning inside along with the quartermaster (more on him later when i disscuss vendor rewards). Then on the outskirts of the city, enemey flight points spawn on which they can will then take to the air and drop bombs upon your city in an attempt to kill the gaurds then storm you and take the city back. By kill players within this area you are awarded tokens which can be redeemed for rewards from the quartermaster which is only avaiable to you when you are in control of the city. So he calls it a grind but basically is controlled ganking and with objectives in a non instanced area which many people have been asking for, so although he may not like it, it isnt hard and its what players have been asking for.

    Well I think I have wrote enough and I will stop here before i get the "To long didnt read posts" of which I am sure I will still have. But for those who did read some or all of it and would like to discuss further, I am open to civil discussion. I will not get involed in a flame war so plz civil discussion would be appreciated.

  • tokikingtokiking Member Posts: 2
    Most of u people have no idea wtf u are talking about, for me to stat everything, that has been said here that is wrong would take me forever, but there are a few things i would like to point out.



    1 expansion in 2 years....well look at other games, they bring out an expansion for ever little thing they are going to put into the game, like Everquest and guild wars, Blizzard gave us ZG Naxx, and so on for free, if u people would wanta pay for them just so u get the trill of a expansion more often. Email blizzard and complain, but there is alot of people that notice this and like that we don't have to pay 50 so often.



    OMG Hellfire looks like blasted lands, well...the portal is there....and if u didn't relise when the legion come from the outlands the land got tainted from outlands...maybe...look guys the shit u cry about in here on a game that u don't even like and people don't give a shit what u think, if u think about it for 2 seconds if that u would notice that u really don't have anyidea what u are talking about....not even for a second....at all.....none that's it.



    How do u lvl in any mmorpg....quests, why the fuck would u cry about there being more quests, do u want to grind 10 lvl worth of xp..a normal person wouldn't want to.



    Horde and allaince not killing one another on pvp servers because they want to get to lvl 70....if you want to pvp, right click on them....its a pvp server after all. How can u cry about a lack of pvp on a pvp server..... the only think u can go on about is there being 2 much pvp going on...that the case...why the hell did u go onto a pvp server.....reroll if u hate it that much, or email blizzard its not that hard, they get money they are going to move your chacter whereever and its not like it costs that much.



    So just to finish off, if u don't like the game we don't give a rats arse, if u think the game is just the same u do quests and pvp, find me a mmorpg that u don't do that plz!!!!!!!, and im happy with $50 for 2 years, then $50 every 3-6 months.



    Thx Shand (70 Rogue Lightbringer Allaince)
  • ThonyThony Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by tokiking

    Most of u people have no idea wtf u are talking about, for me to stat everything, that has been said here that is wrong would take me forever, but there are a few things i would like to point out.



    1 expansion in 2 years....well look at other games, they bring out an expansion for ever little thing they are going to put into the game, like Everquest and guild wars, Blizzard gave us ZG Naxx, and so on for free, if u people would wanta pay for them just so u get the trill of a expansion more often. Email blizzard and complain, but there is alot of people that notice this and like that we don't have to pay 50 so often.



    OMG Hellfire looks like blasted lands, well...the portal is there....and if u didn't relise when the legion come from the outlands the land got tainted from outlands...maybe...look guys the shit u cry about in here on a game that u don't even like and people don't give a shit what u think, if u think about it for 2 seconds if that u would notice that u really don't have anyidea what u are talking about....not even for a second....at all.....none that's it.



    How do u lvl in any mmorpg....quests, why the fuck would u cry about there being more quests, do u want to grind 10 lvl worth of xp..a normal person wouldn't want to.



    Horde and allaince not killing one another on pvp servers because they want to get to lvl 70....if you want to pvp, right click on them....its a pvp server after all. How can u cry about a lack of pvp on a pvp server..... the only think u can go on about is there being 2 much pvp going on...that the case...why the hell did u go onto a pvp server.....reroll if u hate it that much, or email blizzard its not that hard, they get money they are going to move your chacter whereever and its not like it costs that much.



    So just to finish off, if u don't like the game we don't give a rats arse, if u think the game is just the same u do quests and pvp, find me a mmorpg that u don't do that plz!!!!!!!, and im happy with $50 for 2 years, then $50 every 3-6 months.



    Thx Shand (70 Rogue Lightbringer Allaince)

    I had to comment you cause you kept saying you don't give a rats arse what people think or say  tho you doing nothing more then reacting on those people you so called don't care about, futher more keep in mind this is a forum, people are free to say what they want so are you, discussions might be negative/positive, its what gives us the ability to have opinions. Sure some people arn't as mature to get into a good healthy discussion and they start to flame away, i just feel sorry for people like that and know better for meself . So what i'm kinda saying here is that if you don't give a rats ass don't react to those people, it only makes you look silly because you shown us you do care ;) Now you think about what you have written for 2 seconds...again ;)

    And the biggest question i would like to be answered (not personal to you Tokiking) just overall.

    " What has BC done for for the overall state of  WOW/BC, i couldn't help myself and payed yet another month sub. for WOW/BC to see if i might be wrong to cancel wow( i did already cancel just after 10 minutes of BC at release date), but when i was back  ingame all the normal populated area's where empty, the only thing populated is the newbie race zones and bc, so BC has actualy asfar i could see damaged the overall game, also wished that the new rases would be more unique, well the only thing that can be done is become a jewelcrafter, but for the rest all the profs are the same, lvl 1 to 20 of the new races cool and enjoyeble but after that same same and same.

    People please read that this is my personal opinion like most people write down their personal opinions



  • Hitash_LevatHitash_Levat Member Posts: 43
    I would like to make a note about how people want to complain that they didnt change to much.  The thing is.  If they changed the game... then it wouldnt be the same WoW that everyone likes.  They might have made it change so much that it would ruin the game for the rest of the people who enjoy how it sets.
  • DamillionDamillion Member Posts: 8

    Well, there are a lot of things going on at blizzard right now. All these changes has prevented me from buying TBC, it has made me quit WoW, it has made me quit the MMORPG genre (due to that I can´t find any new games a bit similar to WoW) and perhaps even computer games. I have listed the ten pretty unintresting statements below, feel free to read if you have a lot of time. =P

     I appologize for any harsh language or spelling mistakes I might have done, but I´ve edited it ONCE at least. :P


    10 things that are now f****ed up about World of Warcraft
    1. The new armor sets
    Since the update when Tier 3 came into play, you can see lack of quality in the armor sets. Poor thoughts, not too much time designing them. A person on the offical WoW forums stated this when he saw the new tier 4 rogue set: "Naa, that can´t be real. It just looks like they have painted the head black and added the eyes". My own favorites are "Rogue tier 5 looks like Skeletor!" and "From now on the paladin will be known as the purple lantern". It´s time to fire the designers.
    2. The development team
    If you read on the back of the warcraft package it will say something like "The epic tale continues", but to be honest the game doesn´t have any real story at all. Anyone else a bit upset about this? So anyway, the development team promises "There will be story". WoW has been out for two years so far, and there is no story written exept for this part: Draenei=shamans Draenei=paladins Bloodelves are evil and the orcs now venture back to Outland. Is that what you wrote in TWO YEARS TIME, blizzard? Then we have the quest bugs. If you look at Thottbot.com you will see that there are quests which have been bugged for over 9 months now. So there I go, spending three hours on a three-step quest and get no reward? That´s kinda frustrating, but the worst part is that they have been saying for nine months "We will fix it as soon as possible". Come up with something new, because your not developing the game, you´re just ruining it.
    3. The lvl 70 cap idea and the new armor in TBC.
    So, as blizzard states it is our own choise if we want to buy the Burning Crusade or not. How intresting that you´re saying that, what about us playing on a PvP server? Let´s say you have a party of three lvl 60s and all suddenly this lvl 70 rogue with tier 6 sneaks up on you and attacks you. You won´t stand a chance. This nolifer can go on bugging you for hours and you won´t have a fair chance UNLESS you have bought the expansion pack. Good job Blizzard, but before you make a new release, think it through properly.
    4. Character migration
    The free character migration is selected by blizzard, and it´s been AGES since I´ve even been able to migrate for free. When you pay 12,50 Euro a month you would think that blizzard would take care of this for you, but no. They will charge you 20 Euro and freeze your account for days before the migration is complete. Well, I´m sitting here, playing on a server with 25% warriors, and being a warrior myself I can´t get to anything because people are more likely to pick that tier 3 equipped, earlier to be rank 14 guy (and there are loads of these warrior nerds). Gearclasses suck, do NOT roll warrior if you want to keep your social life.
    5. The "new" proffession
    The new proffession Jewelcrafting is almost similar to enchanting. Boasting about a new proffession is pretty much nonsense to me.
    6. The storyline does not make sense
    If you look at wow-europes website and read about Paladins it will say "protectors of the alliance". Recently renegade Bloodelf Paladins came to join the horde, but do they still protect the alliance? I would rather see some in-deapht story and not this nonsense. Shut off WoW and start making Warcraft 4, that´s my clear messege to Blizzard. WoW has gone to the point where the development team can do anything they want and still expect income.
    7. Changing the classes, the racial treats and the PvP system
    Blizzard made a horrible mistake when they launched TBC. They added Paladins to the horde faction, resulting in that the shamans no longer get invited to raid groups. The shamans have become a PvP class, unable to raid. Do you want all shamans to reroll paladin or what were you thinking? Plus that now there are no longer any diffrences between the opposite factions.
    After changing the classes the orcs seemed to powerful. So those who were smart and rolled orc shaman got reduced in two ways. The orcs racial treats were made less powerful by for example reducing the chance to resist stun. The orcs are probably hated by Blizzard as well. If the orcs seemed too powerful to you you should have changed it before the release of WoW, that´s what I would have done anyway.
    Last of all we have the PvP system. The ones who spent 14 hours a day to get their rank 14 gear will now know that they did it all invain. Blizzard, instead of changing your game you must think it through before the release.
    8. The ultimatley useless and bugging LFG channel
    The LFG channel has become a channel for spamming out messenges that no one wants to listen to. When you see someone starting to tell bad Chuck Norris jokes and soon everyone does, you will write /leave 4 and won´t be able to find a group unless if you agree to listen to this nonsense for 20 minutes. Thank GOD for the new LFG thingy (even if it itsn´t working very well yet, or so I´ve heard. Oo).
    9. The website and the forums
    Who is responsable for the website? I mean, come on, it takes forever to see any updated news on WoWs site. It still says that TBC FAQ:s will "soon be answered". The release date was two weeks ago. The forums are not accessable even if you have payed 150 Euro to blizzard in monthly fees. No, I don´t have an ACTIVE account so I can´t post anything at the forums or discuss with other players. This has been bugging me for a long time.
    10. The Gamemasters - totally useless
    The GM:s on WoW seem to think of themselves a bit like the world police. When someone needs help or if something is wrong they just say "It will be fixed soon" and then go back to playing WoW. However, if their own game experiance becomes disturbed in any way they are quick to report it to Blizzard. I´ve seen examples on this. But the worst thing is that the GM:s do not know the rules that apply to players, because they havn´t read them. Do these people get payed or what? "Give me a salery, I´m a WoW 1337 P14Y4h!"

    "One voice, one but not alone"

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