They didnt make the Matrix either. Just purchased it. Sorry to point out another flaw. SWG you did get right though so Good Job
Yep Vanguard is in it's element SWG, Planet Side the Matrix.
I would say Jackdog's signature says it all...Upsetting fanboy's since 97...
translation don;t even pay attention to anything he say's about any game. If he says it odds are pretty good it isn't the truth or even based in truth.
I am curious though.Jackdog what games do you like?
They didnt make the Matrix either. Just purchased it. Sorry to point out another flaw. SWG you did get right though so Good Job
Yep Vanguard is in it's element SWG, Planet Side the Matrix.
I would say Jackdog's signature says it all...Upsetting fanboy's since 97...
translation don;t even pay attention to anything he say's negative about any game. If he says it odds are pretty good it isn't the truth or even based in truth.
I am curious though.Jackdog what games do you like?
Only time will tell just how great this game will become, from both a success standpoint and in game standpoint. Yes, a lot of people express dislike for this game and yes that is their right as subscribers to an open forum. However is it frustrating when said peeople make claims that aren't true and intentionally mislead people. Opinions do not require proof or an explination but stating something as a fact certainly should.
If you are making a decision by what is said in these forums please ask for an explination if it's not already given.
I really hope that very soon a trial is set up so that people can make their own mind as to how great, or not so great, this game is.
That said my family is in bed so I'm going to play Vanguard right now.
Personally, I don't like the combat animations, the levels and the drab colors. I guess it just isn't my cup of tea. Also, I played EQ for a long time and I really don't feel like playing it again. Thankfully I didn't have my hopes riding on this game. Guess that is why I'm neither a hater or a lover. I'm sure it is a good game and it looks like a lot of people are enjoying themselves, but I agree that not everyone is going to be attracted to it. I'm not playing any MMOs at the moment, just a lot of great single player games and waiting on AOC, WAR and Darkfall (crosses fingers).
Vanguard is bashed by the anti-raider alliance, the SOE haters and those who support the dumbing down of the genre. Everyone else is busy playing the game.
Some of us were waiting for the next gen game we were promised. And some of us took it hard when it didn't arrive.
you can't go back...even in a video game. Progress is forward thinking.
Right in the same way Dido is an "evolution" in music, a step forward, sufficiently bland to appeal to a wide spectrum. It's a valid choice & style, it's hits marketing targets, but there exists more than one type of consumer, the existance of a market for ambient fem vocals doesn't mean every other genre somehow evaporates.
Any pretension of a music genre to being totally new, a revolution! Is just hype & marketing bs, we all build on the music that came before, that's no less true in other endevours, including MMO's. Sometimes we simply recycle old ideas but smooth them to the point they have no challenge, no rough edges and little character - much like store muzak, it's formulaic, middle of the road, & nonconfrontational, some find that their cup of tea, for some the blandness grates and they have to shift back to something with a little more challenge.
Vanguard isn't for everyone, and it's not supposed to be, but if you're tired of all the MMO's sitting in a herd, like middle of the road populist sheep being driven to market, none prepared to cut their own path away from the market leader, then you might want to play it beyond the low levels and see the unpolished but diamond potential.
Vanguard is bashed by the anti-raider alliance, the SOE haters and those who support the dumbing down of the genre. Everyone else is busy playing the game.
Some of us were waiting for the next gen game we were promised. And some of us took it hard when it didn't arrive.
you can't go back...even in a video game. Progress is forward thinking.
Right in the same way Dido is an "evolution" in music, a step forward, sufficiently bland to appeal to a wide spectrum. It's a valid choice & style, it's hits marketing targets, but there exists more than one type of consumer, the existance of a market for ambient fem vocals doesn't mean every other genre somehow evaporates.
Any pretension of a music genre to being totally new, a revolution! Is just hype & marketing bs, we all build on the music that came before, that's no less true in other endevours, including MMO's. Sometimes we simply recycle old ideas but smooth them to the point they have no challenge, no rough edges and little character - much like store muzak, it's formulaic, middle of the road, & nonconfrontational, some find that their cup of tea, for some the blandness grates and they have to shift back to something with a little more challenge.
Vanguard isn't for everyone, and it's not supposed to be, but if you're tired of all the MMO's sitting in a herd, like middle of the road populist sheep being driven to market, none prepared to cut their own path away from the market leader, then you might want to play it beyond the low levels and see the unpolished but diamond potential.
I haven't had this much fun in years.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Originally posted by Blurr
Nope, playing vanguard right now, but I alt-tab sometimes to see the bullcrap you post. Tell me, how does it feel knowing that you have to mislead people in order to bash the game? "LOL" as you would put it. Too bad you change the subject whenever someone calls you on your false information.
Oh my mistake then I figures SOE has their own little bad of paid poster who run around with a can of polish for this turd and yopu might be one of them. I guess you just polish for free.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Originally posted by Blurr
Nope, playing vanguard right now, but I alt-tab sometimes to see the bullcrap you post. Tell me, how does it feel knowing that you have to mislead people in order to bash the game? "LOL" as you would put it. Too bad you change the subject whenever someone calls you on your false information.
Oh my mistake then I figures SOE has their own little bad of paid poster who run around with a can of polish for this turd and yopu might be one of them. I guess you just polish for free.
Wow, you know, you'd think most people who can't put up a fight would give up after they keep getting shown up. Hate to show you up once again Troll, but I've got some news flashes for you and anyone stupid enough to think you're actually telling the truth.
Corpse Runs: Pretty much every game has them
Bugs: Guaranteed every game has them
Performance: Now you're just being misleading. I have great performance, both on my new machine, and an old machine that's barely at minimum requirements.
Lack of Solo Quests: More lies from the troll. I have tons of solo quests in my Quest Journal right now.
Slow Leveling: Still more lies. The leveling isn't that slow, and we all wanted something that was slower than WoW, which is what we got. Leveling speed is perfect.
Once again, Jackdog the Troll changes the topic when someone calls him on his bullshit. Rather than stepping up, he just tries to call me a fanboy, or whatever he's implying. He uses the SOE name to try and scare people, even though they have very little to do with the game.
If you still listen to Jackdog and think he has any credibility, you need to get your brain checked. It's obvious he's nothing more than a pathetic troll, out to bash the game even if he has to lie to do it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion of course. You dont seem to like Vanguard. Strangely enough you keep bashing people who do like it. You know as well as I do, that whatever you say wont make them stop playing that game.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion of course. You dont seem to like Vanguard. Strangely enough you keep bashing people who do like it. You know as well as I do, that whatever you say wont make them stop playing that game.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I think there is only a small minority of people who deliberately come to this forum to troll and stirr up hate. In reality I think there are many people who have bought this game and feel extremely disappointed with it, and hence post negative comments about it.
I think there is only a small minority of people who deliberately come to this forum to troll and stirr up hate. In reality I think there are many people who have bought this game and feel extremely disappointed with it, and hence post negative comments about it.
A lot of the comments are people who barely scratched the surface of VG or had a completely different perspective of the game hence why they are disappointed.
Others have crap hardware and can't see the game for what it is.
It is very much a minority though, a lot of us have tried the game and discovered how complex it is, it does well to hide it.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion of course. You dont seem to like Vanguard. Strangely enough you keep bashing people who do like it. You know as well as I do, that whatever you say wont make them stop playing that game.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
Good morning Blur, your shift on spin control? Please link a post where I launch personal attacks, I attack the game not the people thank you very much
and also I am sooo confused about this complexity, explain what is so complex about the game please. All I see are massive time sinks and first generation design. Other than the mini card game of diplomacy everything in Vanguard was done in EQ, Dark and Light and Horizons,,,boring
Lot s of time sinks do not make a game complex, they just make empty servers.
4. And yes, some people think SOE is the devil. Just because they are hosting/publishing the game, people assume they are in control. Not a very informed decision, but oh well... So, there are many reasons for people to dislike the game and speak ill of its future...
Dont think this is on purpose here atm but the extent of the deal is either over stated or under stated.in this caste missed part of handling subscriptions ..
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release,to SOEs Station Access subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOEs MMO titles for one low monthly price.
An well ya theirs a reson that small team got so much done in those few days.Not cause their the underdog.because they had help..
Quote: Originally Posted by erentil0 View Post Just heard that SOE has lent Sigil several of its devs from the EQ2 team for a 6-8 month assignment. Wondering what everyone thinks about this and whether it bodes good or bad for Vanguard.
SOE, at our request, has sent some designers and artists up our way to make Vanguard even better. That's it. We appreciate it very much, and they are working just like Sigil people are working under Sigil's schedule and management. I hope there are no conspiracy theories about this. It's as simple as that.
We also hired a beta tester too. The more help the better.
thanks all, __________________ Brad McQuaid CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Exec. Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
Facts are just what they are.Not makeing it out to be more than they are ,but they did get help from soe in development.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Originally posted by Axeion Facts are just what they are.Not makeing it out to be more than they are ,but they did get help from soe in development.
They asked for 2 graphic designers and SOE provided them for six months.
I personally think its the other way round, SOE have recently announced they are looking into the Unreal engine. The influence is going the other way, I wouldn't be surprised if Sigil are commission to do a game for SOE.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS) Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I tried Vanguard a month ago in the beta and got extremly bored at about level 12 (bard). I then started a new char (mage or sorcerer - dont know the exact name) and got bored at level 2.
Why ? I think Vanguard is not fun, very boring, has nothing new and is just a big grind-fest. This has nothing to do with SOE or the mmorpgs I am playing/have been playing. Why does everyone believe that when someone doesnt like a game, it has to be a problem with that person and not the game? The fanboys should seriously wake up and become a bit more reasonable. I think Vanguard is a mediocre game at best. I do not like the GAME itself, its content, its mechanics. It is my opinion and if you wish I can give more reasons (out of the view of someone who has played the game for a week but with a lot of mmorpg experience). Vanguard is FOR YOU "just freaking awesome". It is your view and pls accept that there are people out there who think differently.
Personally I think all the haters are just because of a couple reasons, 1) they hate anything with the SoE label on it, 2) They play another game and think their game might be challenged 3) they play another game and want to bash any game that isn't theirs. There's a small fraction of the haters I dont' understand. Like Jackdog, who will deliberately lie and mislead people, and shout at the top of his lungs about this or that, except that it's really nothing he's just blowing out of porportion in order to try and troll against the game. Then when someone calls him on it, he changes topics and acts like nobody ever found out the bullshit he spouts. Why? I dunno, I guess there'll always be pathetic trolls who hate this or that for some unknown reason.
I have to agree with you. I don't like SOE. I hate them in fact, for SWG. But after trying Vanguard, I can tell you that SOE has had nothing to do with the game besides put it on servers. The world is great, the characters, classes, quests, all fun. I can't see how anyone complains and flames as much as some people do, but "yea", they must feel their game is threatened. I don't know.
The game is definately not for everyone. There are a lot of things that turn of people for various reasons. 1. WoW-ers are not going to like it because it is much slower progress, there are lots of time-sinks, and navigation is more difficult. Like it or not, any MMO that emerges on the market today is immediately going to be compared to WoW. 2. Anyone without a newer computer and high-quality graphics card is not going to be able to run the game. And if they CAN, it's going to look absolutely terrible on low settings. Most people don't want to buy a new computer just to play a game. 3. People who have followed this game for over a year may be put off by several things that were promised not living up to their expectations. The diplomacy system is not what most were expecting. There are a couple classes missing. Heck, you can't even see helms on characters yet... 4. And yes, some people think SOE is the devil. Just because they are hosting/publishing the game, people assume they are in control. Not a very informed decision, but oh well... So, there are many reasons for people to dislike the game and speak ill of its future...
Did i read right? Your playing archlord and wow currently? nuff said.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion of course. You dont seem to like Vanguard. Strangely enough you keep bashing people who do like it. You know as well as I do, that whatever you say wont make them stop playing that game.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
Good morning Blur, your shift on spin control? Please link a post where I launch personal attacks, I attack the game not the people thank you very much
and also I am sooo confused about this complexity, explain what is so complex about the game please. All I see are massive time sinks and first generation design. Other than the mini card game of diplomacy everything in Vanguard was done in EQ, Dark and Light and Horizons,,,boring
Lot s of time sinks do not make a game complex, they just make empty servers.
Hate to burst your bubble there trollie but the only thing I wrote there was the smiley. I know it benefits you to lie to people and try and make me out to be an employee of SOE or some other stupidly inane thing like that, but the truth is I just know how much bullshit you're spouting.
Infact, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.. Tell me of an MMO feature that can't be dismissed as a "time sink". You don't seem to understand that MMOs as a genre are time sinks. If I didn't have to spend time earning anything, what kinda game would it be?
As for EQ and Horizons, I wouldn't blame Sigil for taking some of the better features of those games and incorporating them into their game. If it works, and is fun, why avoid it?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
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I miss DAoC
I would say Jackdog's signature says it all...Upsetting fanboy's since 97...
translation don;t even pay attention to anything he say's about any game. If he says it odds are pretty good it isn't the truth or even based in truth.
I am curious though.Jackdog what games do you like?
I would say Jackdog's signature says it all...Upsetting fanboy's since 97...
translation don;t even pay attention to anything he say's negative about any game. If he says it odds are pretty good it isn't the truth or even based in truth.
I am curious though.Jackdog what games do you like?
UO, DAoC, EQII and a couple under NDA
I miss DAoC
Nope, playing vanguard right now, but I alt-tab sometimes to see the bullcrap you post.
Tell me, how does it feel knowing that you have to mislead people in order to bash the game? "LOL" as you would put it.
Too bad you change the subject whenever someone calls you on your false information.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Only time will tell just how great this game will become, from both a success standpoint and in game standpoint. Yes, a lot of people express dislike for this game and yes that is their right as subscribers to an open forum. However is it frustrating when said peeople make claims that aren't true and intentionally mislead people. Opinions do not require proof or an explination but stating something as a fact certainly should.
If you are making a decision by what is said in these forums please ask for an explination if it's not already given.
I really hope that very soon a trial is set up so that people can make their own mind as to how great, or not so great, this game is.
That said my family is in bed so I'm going to play Vanguard right now.
Just not worth my time anymore.
Some of us were waiting for the next gen game we were promised. And some of us took it hard when it didn't arrive.
you can't go back...even in a video game. Progress is forward thinking.
Right in the same way Dido is an "evolution" in music, a step forward, sufficiently bland to appeal to a wide spectrum. It's a valid choice & style, it's hits marketing targets, but there exists more than one type of consumer, the existance of a market for ambient fem vocals doesn't mean every other genre somehow evaporates.
Any pretension of a music genre to being totally new, a revolution! Is just hype & marketing bs, we all build on the music that came before, that's no less true in other endevours, including MMO's. Sometimes we simply recycle old ideas but smooth them to the point they have no challenge, no rough edges and little character - much like store muzak, it's formulaic, middle of the road, & nonconfrontational, some find that their cup of tea, for some the blandness grates and they have to shift back to something with a little more challenge.
Vanguard isn't for everyone, and it's not supposed to be, but if you're tired of all the MMO's sitting in a herd, like middle of the road populist sheep being driven to market, none prepared to cut their own path away from the market leader, then you might want to play it beyond the low levels and see the unpolished but diamond potential.
I haven't had this much fun in years.
Some of us were waiting for the next gen game we were promised. And some of us took it hard when it didn't arrive.
you can't go back...even in a video game. Progress is forward thinking.
Right in the same way Dido is an "evolution" in music, a step forward, sufficiently bland to appeal to a wide spectrum. It's a valid choice & style, it's hits marketing targets, but there exists more than one type of consumer, the existance of a market for ambient fem vocals doesn't mean every other genre somehow evaporates.
Any pretension of a music genre to being totally new, a revolution! Is just hype & marketing bs, we all build on the music that came before, that's no less true in other endevours, including MMO's. Sometimes we simply recycle old ideas but smooth them to the point they have no challenge, no rough edges and little character - much like store muzak, it's formulaic, middle of the road, & nonconfrontational, some find that their cup of tea, for some the blandness grates and they have to shift back to something with a little more challenge.
Vanguard isn't for everyone, and it's not supposed to be, but if you're tired of all the MMO's sitting in a herd, like middle of the road populist sheep being driven to market, none prepared to cut their own path away from the market leader, then you might want to play it beyond the low levels and see the unpolished but diamond potential.
I haven't had this much fun in years.
So what is so evolutionary about this POS, The corpse runs? The bugs? The poor performance? The lack of solo quests? The slow leveling?
Oh my mistake then I figures SOE has their own little bad of paid poster who run around with a can of polish for this turd and yopu might be one of them. I guess you just polish for free.
I miss DAoC
Oh my mistake then I figures SOE has their own little bad of paid poster who run around with a can of polish for this turd and yopu might be one of them. I guess you just polish for free.
Wow, you know, you'd think most people who can't put up a fight would give up after they keep getting shown up. Hate to show you up once again Troll, but I've got some news flashes for you and anyone stupid enough to think you're actually telling the truth.
Corpse Runs: Pretty much every game has them
Bugs: Guaranteed every game has them
Performance: Now you're just being misleading. I have great performance, both on my new machine, and an old machine that's barely at minimum requirements.
Lack of Solo Quests: More lies from the troll. I have tons of solo quests in my Quest Journal right now.
Slow Leveling: Still more lies. The leveling isn't that slow, and we all wanted something that was slower than WoW, which is what we got. Leveling speed is perfect.
Once again, Jackdog the Troll changes the topic when someone calls him on his bullshit. Rather than stepping up, he just tries to call me a fanboy, or whatever he's implying. He uses the SOE name to try and scare people, even though they have very little to do with the game.
If you still listen to Jackdog and think he has any credibility, you need to get your brain checked. It's obvious he's nothing more than a pathetic troll, out to bash the game even if he has to lie to do it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I dont care what the haters say.
This game is the first in a long while that I can say is "Freakin awesone"!
A lot of the comments are people who barely scratched the surface of VG or had a completely different perspective of the game hence why they are disappointed.
Others have crap hardware and can't see the game for what it is.
It is very much a minority though, a lot of us have tried the game and discovered how complex it is, it does well to hide it.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
Good morning Blur, your shift on spin control? Please link a post where I launch personal attacks, I attack the game not the people thank you very much
and also I am sooo confused about this complexity, explain what is so complex about the game please. All I see are massive time sinks and first generation design. Other than the mini card game of diplomacy everything in Vanguard was done in EQ, Dark and Light and Horizons,,,boring
Lot s of time sinks do not make a game complex, they just make empty servers.
I miss DAoC
Dont think this is on purpose here atm but the extent of the deal is either over stated or under stated.in this caste missed part of handling subscriptions ..
As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release,to SOEs Station Access subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOEs MMO titles for one low monthly price.
http://www.sigilgames.com/sonypressrelease.html
An well ya theirs a reson that small team got so much done in those few days.Not cause their the underdog.because they had help..
Quote:
Originally Posted by erentil0 View Post
Just heard that SOE has lent Sigil several of its devs from the EQ2 team for a 6-8 month assignment. Wondering what everyone thinks about this and whether it bodes good or bad for Vanguard.
SOE, at our request, has sent some designers and artists up our way to make Vanguard even better. That's it. We appreciate it very much, and they are working just like Sigil people are working under Sigil's schedule and management. I hope there are no conspiracy theories about this. It's as simple as that.
We also hired a beta tester too. The more help the better.
thanks all,
__________________
Brad McQuaid
CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Exec. Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=88693&page=6
Facts are just what they are.Not makeing it out to be more than they are ,but they did get help from soe in development.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
They asked for 2 graphic designers and SOE provided them for six months.
I personally think its the other way round, SOE have recently announced they are looking into the Unreal engine. The influence is going the other way, I wouldn't be surprised if Sigil are commission to do a game for SOE.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Why ? I think Vanguard is not fun, very boring, has nothing new and is just a big grind-fest. This has nothing to do with SOE or the mmorpgs I am playing/have been playing. Why does everyone believe that when someone doesnt like a game, it has to be a problem with that person and not the game? The fanboys should seriously wake up and become a bit more reasonable. I think Vanguard is a mediocre game at best. I do not like the GAME itself, its content, its mechanics. It is my opinion and if you wish I can give more reasons (out of the view of someone who has played the game for a week but with a lot of mmorpg experience). Vanguard is FOR YOU "just freaking awesome". It is your view and pls accept that there are people out there who think differently.
Try to have some fun instead with a game you like. If you were one of the people who had high hopes for the game and is now disappointed, then you have a disturbing way of dealing with that. Hating people for liking something, that is as immature as you can get.
Good morning Blur, your shift on spin control? Please link a post where I launch personal attacks, I attack the game not the people thank you very much
and also I am sooo confused about this complexity, explain what is so complex about the game please. All I see are massive time sinks and first generation design. Other than the mini card game of diplomacy everything in Vanguard was done in EQ, Dark and Light and Horizons,,,boring
Lot s of time sinks do not make a game complex, they just make empty servers.
Hate to burst your bubble there trollie but the only thing I wrote there was the smiley. I know it benefits you to lie to people and try and make me out to be an employee of SOE or some other stupidly inane thing like that, but the truth is I just know how much bullshit you're spouting.
Infact, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.. Tell me of an MMO feature that can't be dismissed as a "time sink". You don't seem to understand that MMOs as a genre are time sinks. If I didn't have to spend time earning anything, what kinda game would it be?
As for EQ and Horizons, I wouldn't blame Sigil for taking some of the better features of those games and incorporating them into their game. If it works, and is fun, why avoid it?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Starwars Galaxies, An Empier Diveded, That's what it says on my box anyway.