Best way to judge a game is find a smaller board with people you can trust and that does not rely on advertising dollars. Any site that takes money from advertisers is automatically suspect to me. I have friends on other boards that I have argued, agreed and gamed with for 8 or 9 years now and while we do not always agree I know that their review or opinion is not bought. I am sure all of us have friends from guilds and schools who have the same taste as we do, ask their opinion. MMORPG.coms reviews tend to be fair but occasionally I see Mr Capitalism slip in when a big advertiser is getting trashed badly on the forums. But then screw it, MMORPG.com has to pay the bills somehow doesn't it?
LOL! It always makes me laugh when they play the conspiracy card.
I think the OP overestimates his importance in the MMO community. We all have different opinions, this is a site where we can post them. The only poster you should truly ignore is Anofalye , I'm afraid his anti-raiding crusade has made him quite insane.
Seriously though, this is a site about gaming. You know something we do in our spare time - to have fun. If THIS site is causing you this much angst, not sure you should even be playing MMO's.
Originally posted by Caligulug ...vangaurd fanboys are gonna jump this thread like a $2 hooker... Cal
You'd have to spend two dollars more on a hooker than you spend to read and post messages in the mmorpg.com forum, even if you do feel that you're getting the same service from each one.
i think that this and other MMO related sites are going to shit cuz of the MMOs that are bringing EVERYBODY to them now,from 5-60 year olds. So ALL the immature punks that thinks its the coolest thing ever to act like your brain hasn't developed yet are drawn here. I would much rather go back in time and stop ALL these Casual MMOS from ever being thought of. I have always thought that Casual MMOs was the biggest mistake to happen to the MMO genre.
In other words, you aren't experienced enough to know that there were PKs roaming around UO in 1997 named GHosTFace KiLLaH and PUfF DaDDy.
WOW isn't near the top of the list because Eve-angelists are so mature they feel the need to give it the lowest scores to skew the results. For a mature community, they don't act very adult at all when it comes to WOW. A mature, honest, experienced MMORPG fan wouldn't be ignorant enough to give WOW a 1 in anything. I'm sure some of them are also upset the web became mainstream=)
What are you talking about, Chieftan? We all know that UO, AO, and SWG before the NGE were gleaming paradises filled with real community and solid, substantive gameplay. The only problems with these games was the lack of marketing and mental inability of the average person to play these outstanding games, nay, works of sublime art. Please take your ignorant trolling elsewhere.
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I wonder when people will admit to themselves that every MMORPG has around the same levels of good and bad community.
The thing is that everyone has different opinions. Game reviewers can't be really ''wrong'' [unless, for example, they said Mourning was a fully functional, well developed game] but they just have differing opinions.
Everyone's got their own opinions; you just have to find the reviewers who judge and criticize games in a manner similar to you.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I agree this community for the most part sucks ass. Theres maybe 10 smart people on here. Guess what.. you're not one of them. You are part of the reason it sucks and WoW has 8 million subscribers. You're part of the problem not the solution. 21 posts - 90% of them bashing Vanguard and every one of them showing you've never actually played it.. Way to go!!!! yep you don't have an agenda! die already
At least those 8 million subscribers support a game that was finished and polished for release,. You have been supporting a game that was rushed out, is incomplete and is filled with bugs, You are supporting other developers to do the same. I say your a part of the problem,. Not him.
At least those 8 million subscribers support a game that was finished and polished for release,. You have been supporting a game that was rushed out, is incomplete and is filled with bugs, You are supporting other developers to do the same. I say your a part of the problem,. Not him.
Finished and polished for release...debatable.
Sitting in queue for 1-3 hours for MONTHS after release, priceless.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Copeland I agree this community for the most part sucks ass. Theres maybe 10 smart people on here. Guess what.. you're not one of them. You are part of the reason it sucks and WoW has 8 million subscribers. You're part of the problem not the solution. 21 posts - 90% of them bashing Vanguard and every one of them showing you've never actually played it.. Way to go!!!! yep you don't have an agenda! die already
At least those 8 million subscribers support a game that was finished and polished for release,. You have been supporting a game that was rushed out, is incomplete and is filled with bugs, You are supporting other developers to do the same. I say your a part of the problem,. Not him.
I know exactly whom and what i support. I don't deny the state of the game either. It's my right to support whomever i want. I don't make false claims about it. I do however call out people when i know for a fact they have an agenda, have never played the game and troll incessantly trying to make a game sound worse than it is.
At least those 8 million subscribers support a game that was finished and polished for release,. You have been supporting a game that was rushed out, is incomplete and is filled with bugs, You are supporting other developers to do the same. I say your a part of the problem,. Not him.
Finished and polished for release...debatable.
Sitting in queue for 1-3 hours for MONTHS after release, priceless.
Yeah i quit when i hit my first queue. Sorry but i pay to play not wait to log in.
Although i must say if the game was worth it i would have waited LOL.
At least those 8 million subscribers support a game that was finished and polished for release,. You have been supporting a game that was rushed out, is incomplete and is filled with bugs, You are supporting other developers to do the same. I say your a part of the problem,. Not him.
Finished and polished for release...debatable.
Sitting in queue for 1-3 hours for MONTHS after release, priceless. How in heavens name do you expect them to fix that? You can't force people to move to a diffrent server. Blizzard has always opened up new servers where people could transfer their character to if the queue became to big, but if people are not willing to move, there is little Blizzard can do.
How in heavens name do you expect them to fix that? You can't force people to move to a diffrent server. Blizzard has always opened up new servers where people could transfer their character to if the queue became to big, but if people are not willing to move, there is little Blizzard can do.
It's not my job to know, I'm simply a consumer who's paying money to play a game. I'm also a consumer who would rather play a buggy game than to have to wait hours in queue.
I'm also having more fun in Vanguard with all it's bugs than I've ever had playing WOW.
So shoot me.
-edit- Character transfers were not always available either especially at launch and the weeks following; when the queues were at their worst. I picked a low population PVP server the first day WOW was released [there wasn't much choice]. Within a few days the population was high, with queues. It was also the unofficial Australian server so moving all my mates and guildies to a new server would have not being an easy task at all - even IF character txr was available at the time.
Don't get me started on the stability of WOW's servers at launch either. 3 hours queuing, 1 hour gaming, 1 hour server downtime, 1 hour queuing != fun.
I'm the first to admit that WoW has its flaws. I quit because of the endgame grind while most of the current vocal naysayers were still in denial, but it pisses me off to hear people talk about login queues as if they were some unavoidable fault of Blizzard. I bought the game at launch. I picked a low population server, and I never saw a login queue. Of course, low population still meant I regularly saw people in any leveling area I went to. Most of the popular ones were a bit crowded, in fact, and there were tons of people in the main towns and participating in the auction house. I sympathize with those who joined a server when it was low population and had it become overpopulated, forcing them to use queues, but the vast majority of people do not fall into that group. If you absolutely must pick a server labeled high population with your first character despite the printed recommendations of the game maker, thinking you know better, then I honestly wish a queue upon you. This is basically how it breaks down:
Hardcore MMORPG player community on WoW: I want 95% of us to be able to play on 10% of the servers! I have an unjustified fear of playing on an unpopulated server! Let me roll up on this server labeled "high population" in red letters because I know best. WTF! *goes to forums and cries at login queue*
Hardcore MMORPG player community on FFXI: Why can't I pick my server? There's no good reason for it! The community is mature enough not to overcrowd individual servers and cause problems! WTF! *goes to forums and cries at not being to play on server of choice*
I have been comming here for years to read up on MMOs released and upcomming. I could get past the fact that WoW was never even on the list of top 10 MMOs, after all I played it forawhile and didnt realy like so I figured well maybe other ppl feel the same way. But recent reviews and false hype of games is getting out of control.
This site is to me a place to come and read what shape games are in to see if they are worth thier salt. May I say this site DID do a great job of exposing DandL. However recent stuff like the vangaurd release being touted as the best MMO to ever be released and EvE being so high on the list for so long have frankly opened my eyes to what this sites motivations realy are. It seems complacent to sit by and watch as SOE and sigil employes come here and give false hype and false reviews. Waaaaaaay to many perfect 10s. I mean come on a perfect 10 for a game like vangaurd? Same thing happens at Gamstop.com , and Gamespot.com. Just numerous fanboys and employies of game companys walking in and giving perfect 10s along with reviews that do not even mention bugs or unfinished aspects of the game. They obviously do this to offset the people giving it 1s but common, the game isnt finished period. People are sick of being sold unfinished games and then expected to pay monthly for them, especialy when the game was "pre-viewed" by this site and others saying it was the next "big" MMO. We want the TRUTH! Not a half baked anology and false hyping of games. Vangaurd does not even have its own forums lol! You know they knew they would get lambasted on official forums for the state of the game at release, thier answer ah wth lets just not have forums, Laughable.
The same thing could be said about other games. EvE, Guildwars, Roma Victor (the fan boys for this game make me giggle) and so on.
Oh and I know the vangaurd fanboys are gonna jump this thread like a $2 hooker but before they let me say Im suuuure thier right eh? Best community ever, no bugs and if I saw any its because of my POS comp and all the systems are in game and working PERFECT.
Well sorry to say but I hope that people wise up soon to the falsity of this site and the others mentioned.
I as an MMO player for MANY years now am fedup with being led to buy games that are the same garbage that has been released in the past, unfinished and expected to pay for beta. Not anymore, this site gets a 1 for realism from me.
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I totally agree about EVE and Vanguard... I play them both (EVE since 2003, with a lot of interruptions, due to incredible annoyances and massive recurring bugs) It is completely impossible that those 2 take up the top spots unless there's something wrong with the ratings system.
Granted that WoW is a completely static game, whith zero player impact on the world, completely developer driven by control freaks, who have been not only late with their expansion but also have failed to keep their promises of bringing siege engines into the game and more tangible reasons for pvp. WoW end-game is a purely static and annoying gear grind. People have to go 50 times to the same dungeon for 4-8 hours to get their set of gear, that people barely enjoy to repeat 5 times.
Still, the miniscule game concept of kill : Reward dungeon runs has been polished to a high shine, characters have poise and dynamic and are fun to play till you run into the limitations. The actual pvp fights require more player skill and are more fun than in other games of the sort, too bad that the final result of pvp is nothing but still more gear grind, in the form of spending the gained honor points. At least, using pvp to grind for gear beats EVE's approach of grinding npc ships with non-existent AI, or worse yet, the pathetic mining of asteroids for days on end. But in the end, you can't do anything with all that gear, no keeps are to be built, no lands to be conquered... its just a well designed amusement park.
With Vanguard, its too early to say anything about the endgame, which might certainly trounce WoW, but nobody's seen it yet and so far, the characters lack dynamic and poise, the standing-still animations aren't great, the movement animations lack the seemlessness that makes the wow characters seem real, inspite of the low end graphics there. there's also a level gaps in the quests, and just a lot of unfinished stuff.
With EVE, I barely want to even talk about it... a ratio of 30 hours of ISK grinding to get a nice ship, then go looking for trouble, which might result in all of a 15 second fight, and if you happened to not win that fight, you can go right back to grinding another 30 hours cause your ship and all fittings will be history. While there is insurance for ships, tech 2 ships' insurance pays out a paltry 15% of your ship cost and none of the fittings, which often cost the same or even much more than the ship itself. NPC ships have little or no AI, and hence have been boosted in stats to make them take longer to kill. The biggest problem with this is, that if you need to grind ISK, your ship fitting for killing NPC's is usually useless for pvp, hence, the easy EVE ganking strategy: find people who are grinding ISK by killing NPC ships and you're almost guaranteed a kill. Lastly, by lottery, EVE is divided into 2 classes of players: Those with Tech 2 BPO's and those without. If you own a Tech 2 BPO, you can basically pring money and you need not grind ISK for ships anymore, hence you get to enjoy the fun parts of EVE, even if you just log in for an hour or two at a time. Those that did not get lucky to receive a good Tech 2 BPO, will be spending most of their time grinding ISK instead. EVE has been called a game for retirees and the jobless by many, cause the ISK grind is time consuming beyond belief.
As for the player base, since CCP endorses piracy, scamming and the likes as part of the game, the player base is brimming with antisocial tupes who live out the criminal inclinations they don't dare in real life, and the game community is probably the most hateful and malicous of any game I've played. There's a constant pointless rancor between pvp'ers and "carebears" with pvp'ers hating the carebears, even though the carebears are the ones building the ships and thus seem quite useful to me... People's Bio's are mostly full of expletives, threats, and general smack talk ...one has to wonder. I guess this does serve to make those people who are not idiots stand out more.
Aside from the lousy grind to fun ratio, after 4 years, the game is still riddled with bugs, every new patch brings a load of new bugs. So, while I admit to still playing EVE, due to its open ended nature and the fact that players get to have the most impact on the world of any game I've played, its far from taking the top spot, if all is considered.
I agree. Vanguard is nowhere ready for release. Started 7 different characters, and all came across major bugs/quest issues etc before they hit level 10. You would think that at least one race/class could be finished properly.
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Well I for one think the top mmorpg list is pretty accurate. There might be some people who make new accounts to hype their favourite games, but that does show detication, so I suppose its worth something, even if it wouldnt be so in a perfect survey. Games like WoW would probably be higher if this site was frequented by every day people, seeing how it is more of a casual mmorpg, highly popular around gamers who dont play mmorpgs. But in the end, the list turns out pretty good, because this site isnt for those gamers who dont play mmorpgs anyways .
I do think Vanguard will settle lower on the top list, but it probably wont leave the top list completely. Decent mmorpgs usually are on the top list right after release, thats just how it goes! I think that makes some sense. WoW was on the top list when it was first released too, you know! So we'll just wait and see where Vanguard settles- I'd say it will be stick around the top 7, but it probably wont beat EVE, Guildwars, and EQ2.
the thing is some companies need to realize that spin will not sell games, and if it does sell a few boxes it sure will not get them to subscribe. Putting out a game that is fun and realising what the community wants as a whole will sell games. Some game companies think they can bullshit and bully their way into the hearts and wallets of gamers it seems. It ain't happening though.
Personally I think the OP is just angry because he doesn't like Vanguard and he thinks everyone else should share his opinion.
Caligulug you totally missed the point of the rating system. It's so people can give their opinion of the game. It's not that hard to understand. Some people hate it (even if they don't have a good reason), and some people love it. Both sides get to vote and that's what makes it fair. If more people vote that they like the game, then it's going to get a high ranking like it has now.
Is the game perfect? No. Does the game deserve all 1's? Hell no.
Did you vote after playing the game? If so, then you got your 1 vote. Don't get upset now because everyone else may be voting different.
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I have been comming here for years to read up on MMOs released and upcomming. I could get past the fact that WoW was never even on the list of top 10 MMOs, after all I played it forawhile and didnt realy like so I figured well maybe other ppl feel the same way. But recent reviews and false hype of games is getting out of control.
This site is to me a place to come and read what shape games are in to see if they are worth thier salt. May I say this site DID do a great job of exposing DandL. However recent stuff like the vangaurd release being touted as the best MMO to ever be released and EvE being so high on the list for so long have frankly opened my eyes to what this sites motivations realy are. It seems complacent to sit by and watch as SOE and sigil employes come here and give false hype and false reviews. Waaaaaaay to many perfect 10s. I mean come on a perfect 10 for a game like vangaurd? Same thing happens at Gamstop.com , and Gamespot.com. Just numerous fanboys and employies of game companys walking in and giving perfect 10s along with reviews that do not even mention bugs or unfinished aspects of the game. They obviously do this to offset the people giving it 1s but common, the game isnt finished period. People are sick of being sold unfinished games and then expected to pay monthly for them, especialy when the game was "pre-viewed" by this site and others saying it was the next "big" MMO. We want the TRUTH! Not a half baked anology and false hyping of games. Vangaurd does not even have its own forums lol! You know they knew they would get lambasted on official forums for the state of the game at release, thier answer ah wth lets just not have forums, Laughable.
The same thing could be said about other games. EvE, Guildwars, Roma Victor (the fan boys for this game make me giggle) and so on.
Oh and I know the vangaurd fanboys are gonna jump this thread like a $2 hooker but before they let me say Im suuuure thier right eh? Best community ever, no bugs and if I saw any its because of my POS comp and all the systems are in game and working PERFECT.
Well sorry to say but I hope that people wise up soon to the falsity of this site and the others mentioned.
I as an MMO player for MANY years now am fedup with being led to buy games that are the same garbage that has been released in the past, unfinished and expected to pay for beta. Not anymore, this site gets a 1 for realism from me.
Cal
Isnt it nice to come to these boards and be able to share your point of view? In the end your post is just your opinion, however, do not think everybody shares your view. Dont take mmorpgs too seriously, in the end its just a virtual game.
in a way i agree with the op , vangard might be a good game , i dont know anything about it , but i know some people moved there. anyway , the rank system is ridiculus. i made a 2 min browse in vangard webpage ... TERRIBLE , i dont believe that was made under SOE name , i know they suc , but that looks soooo low budjet ... and the last 5 news are " game updates " and " servers reset " a game with a few weeks is already a patching festival and downtimes .. and eve taking the furst place ever and ever and ever ... wth .. ok we know the game is good , NEXT imo that rank should be a weekly rank and not all time. if its about reviews spammers , let see who as more people spaming reviews EVERY WEEK or even day , make that rank change ... if its stuck with one game like eve for more then a year , looks like a money scam. who pays more to mmorpg for the pub , and that sucs , thats what all other game pages do.
the thing is some companies need to realize that spin will not sell games, and if it does sell a few boxes it sure will not get them to subscribe. Putting out a game that is fun and realising what the community wants as a whole will sell games. Some game companies think they can bullshit and bully their way into the hearts and wallets of gamers it seems. It ain't happening though.
QFT... and that my friends is the REAL service this website does!
I've been coming here for a while and I've NEVER rated a game using the sites game rating system. It's a pretty meaningless feature imo. If I want to know about a game, I'm browsing the reviews and reading the forums, getting info from people actually playing something. Also to get into any trials and betas myself; in which case I don't have to ask for anybody's opinions...l
This is a great website, if for nothing else, it's big enough to draw enough people where the opinions/reviews end up broad enough so we can hear all angles. And the end effect of that.... gaming companies are no longer going to be able to rip us off with crappy games (not saying VG is crappy... I'm still looking for them to get it cleaned up so I can play)...
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I think the OP overestimates his importance in the MMO community. We all have different opinions, this is a site where we can post them. The only poster you should truly ignore is Anofalye , I'm afraid his anti-raiding crusade has made him quite insane.
Seriously though, this is a site about gaming. You know something we do in our spare time - to have fun. If THIS site is causing you this much angst, not sure you should even be playing MMO's.
You'd have to spend two dollars more on a hooker than you spend to read and post messages in the mmorpg.com forum, even if you do feel that you're getting the same service from each one.
Just do the math, man, and that's your answer.
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I wonder when people will admit to themselves that every MMORPG has around the same levels of good and bad community.
Everyone's got their own opinions; you just have to find the reviewers who judge and criticize games in a manner similar to you.
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Sitting in queue for 1-3 hours for MONTHS after release, priceless.
I know exactly whom and what i support. I don't deny the state of the game either. It's my right to support whomever i want. I don't make false claims about it. I do however call out people when i know for a fact they have an agenda, have never played the game and troll incessantly trying to make a game sound worse than it is.
Make a difference!
Yeah i quit when i hit my first queue. Sorry but i pay to play not wait to log in.
Although i must say if the game was worth it i would have waited LOL.
Make a difference!
Sitting in queue for 1-3 hours for MONTHS after release, priceless. How in heavens name do you expect them to fix that? You can't force people to move to a diffrent server. Blizzard has always opened up new servers where people could transfer their character to if the queue became to big, but if people are not willing to move, there is little Blizzard can do.
I'm also having more fun in Vanguard with all it's bugs than I've ever had playing WOW.
So shoot me.
-edit- Character transfers were not always available either especially at launch and the weeks following; when the queues were at their worst. I picked a low population PVP server the first day WOW was released [there wasn't much choice]. Within a few days the population was high, with queues. It was also the unofficial Australian server so moving all my mates and guildies to a new server would have not being an easy task at all - even IF character txr was available at the time.
Don't get me started on the stability of WOW's servers at launch either. 3 hours queuing, 1 hour gaming, 1 hour server downtime, 1 hour queuing != fun.
I'm the first to admit that WoW has its flaws. I quit because of the endgame grind while most of the current vocal naysayers were still in denial, but it pisses me off to hear people talk about login queues as if they were some unavoidable fault of Blizzard. I bought the game at launch. I picked a low population server, and I never saw a login queue. Of course, low population still meant I regularly saw people in any leveling area I went to. Most of the popular ones were a bit crowded, in fact, and there were tons of people in the main towns and participating in the auction house. I sympathize with those who joined a server when it was low population and had it become overpopulated, forcing them to use queues, but the vast majority of people do not fall into that group. If you absolutely must pick a server labeled high population with your first character despite the printed recommendations of the game maker, thinking you know better, then I honestly wish a queue upon you. This is basically how it breaks down:
Hardcore MMORPG player community on WoW: I want 95% of us to be able to play on 10% of the servers! I have an unjustified fear of playing on an unpopulated server! Let me roll up on this server labeled "high population" in red letters because I know best. WTF! *goes to forums and cries at login queue*
Hardcore MMORPG player community on FFXI: Why can't I pick my server? There's no good reason for it! The community is mature enough not to overcrowd individual servers and cause problems! WTF! *goes to forums and cries at not being to play on server of choice*
I totally agree about EVE and Vanguard... I play them both (EVE since 2003, with a lot of interruptions, due to incredible annoyances and massive recurring bugs) It is completely impossible that those 2 take up the top spots unless there's something wrong with the ratings system.
Granted that WoW is a completely static game, whith zero player impact on the world, completely developer driven by control freaks, who have been not only late with their expansion but also have failed to keep their promises of bringing siege engines into the game and more tangible reasons for pvp. WoW end-game is a purely static and annoying gear grind. People have to go 50 times to the same dungeon for 4-8 hours to get their set of gear, that people barely enjoy to repeat 5 times.
Still, the miniscule game concept of kill : Reward dungeon runs has been polished to a high shine, characters have poise and dynamic and are fun to play till you run into the limitations. The actual pvp fights require more player skill and are more fun than in other games of the sort, too bad that the final result of pvp is nothing but still more gear grind, in the form of spending the gained honor points. At least, using pvp to grind for gear beats EVE's approach of grinding npc ships with non-existent AI, or worse yet, the pathetic mining of asteroids for days on end. But in the end, you can't do anything with all that gear, no keeps are to be built, no lands to be conquered... its just a well designed amusement park.
With Vanguard, its too early to say anything about the endgame, which might certainly trounce WoW, but nobody's seen it yet and so far, the characters lack dynamic and poise, the standing-still animations aren't great, the movement animations lack the seemlessness that makes the wow characters seem real, inspite of the low end graphics there. there's also a level gaps in the quests, and just a lot of unfinished stuff.
With EVE, I barely want to even talk about it... a ratio of 30 hours of ISK grinding to get a nice ship, then go looking for trouble, which might result in all of a 15 second fight, and if you happened to not win that fight, you can go right back to grinding another 30 hours cause your ship and all fittings will be history. While there is insurance for ships, tech 2 ships' insurance pays out a paltry 15% of your ship cost and none of the fittings, which often cost the same or even much more than the ship itself. NPC ships have little or no AI, and hence have been boosted in stats to make them take longer to kill. The biggest problem with this is, that if you need to grind ISK, your ship fitting for killing NPC's is usually useless for pvp, hence, the easy EVE ganking strategy: find people who are grinding ISK by killing NPC ships and you're almost guaranteed a kill. Lastly, by lottery, EVE is divided into 2 classes of players: Those with Tech 2 BPO's and those without. If you own a Tech 2 BPO, you can basically pring money and you need not grind ISK for ships anymore, hence you get to enjoy the fun parts of EVE, even if you just log in for an hour or two at a time. Those that did not get lucky to receive a good Tech 2 BPO, will be spending most of their time grinding ISK instead. EVE has been called a game for retirees and the jobless by many, cause the ISK grind is time consuming beyond belief.
As for the player base, since CCP endorses piracy, scamming and the likes as part of the game, the player base is brimming with antisocial tupes who live out the criminal inclinations they don't dare in real life, and the game community is probably the most hateful and malicous of any game I've played. There's a constant pointless rancor between pvp'ers and "carebears" with pvp'ers hating the carebears, even though the carebears are the ones building the ships and thus seem quite useful to me... People's Bio's are mostly full of expletives, threats, and general smack talk ...one has to wonder. I guess this does serve to make those people who are not idiots stand out more.
Aside from the lousy grind to fun ratio, after 4 years, the game is still riddled with bugs, every new patch brings a load of new bugs. So, while I admit to still playing EVE, due to its open ended nature and the fact that players get to have the most impact on the world of any game I've played, its far from taking the top spot, if all is considered.
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Well I for one think the top mmorpg list is pretty accurate.
There might be some people who make new accounts to hype their favourite games, but that does show detication, so I suppose its worth something, even if it wouldnt be so in a perfect survey. Games like WoW would probably be higher if this site was frequented by every day people, seeing how it is more of a casual mmorpg, highly popular around gamers who dont play mmorpgs. But in the end, the list turns out pretty good, because this site isnt for those gamers who dont play mmorpgs anyways 
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I do think Vanguard will settle lower on the top list, but it probably wont leave the top list completely. Decent mmorpgs usually are on the top list right after release, thats just how it goes! I think that makes some sense.
WoW was on the top list when it was first released too, you know! So we'll just wait and see where Vanguard settles- I'd say it will be stick around the top 7, but it probably wont beat EVE, Guildwars, and EQ2.
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Personally I think the OP is just angry because he doesn't like Vanguard and he thinks everyone else should share his opinion.
Caligulug you totally missed the point of the rating system. It's so people can give their opinion of the game. It's not that hard to understand. Some people hate it (even if they don't have a good reason), and some people love it. Both sides get to vote and that's what makes it fair. If more people vote that they like the game, then it's going to get a high ranking like it has now.
Is the game perfect? No. Does the game deserve all 1's? Hell no.
Did you vote after playing the game? If so, then you got your 1 vote. Don't get upset now because everyone else may be voting different.
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in a way i agree with the op , vangard might be a good game , i dont know anything about it , but i know some people moved there. anyway , the rank system is ridiculus.
i made a 2 min browse in vangard webpage ... TERRIBLE , i dont believe that was made under SOE name , i know they suc , but that looks soooo low budjet ...
and the last 5 news are " game updates " and " servers reset "
a game with a few weeks is already a patching festival and downtimes ..
and eve taking the furst place ever and ever and ever ... wth .. ok we know the game is good , NEXT
imo that rank should be a weekly rank and not all time.
if its about reviews spammers , let see who as more people spaming reviews EVERY WEEK
or even day , make that rank change ...
if its stuck with one game like eve for more then a year , looks like a money scam.
who pays more to mmorpg for the pub , and that sucs , thats what all other game pages do.
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I've been coming here for a while and I've NEVER rated a game using the sites game rating system. It's a pretty meaningless feature imo. If I want to know about a game, I'm browsing the reviews and reading the forums, getting info from people actually playing something. Also to get into any trials and betas myself; in which case I don't have to ask for anybody's opinions...l
This is a great website, if for nothing else, it's big enough to draw enough people where the opinions/reviews end up broad enough so we can hear all angles. And the end effect of that.... gaming companies are no longer going to be able to rip us off with crappy games (not saying VG is crappy... I'm still looking for them to get it cleaned up so I can play)...