What do you think of power levelers?

Zindaihas · February 2007

Do you wish there was a way to neutralize power leveling or should those who play more than others be rewarded for their efforts?

JackDonkey · February 2007

I think all leveling should be just a drawn out tutorial to the end game, and the end game is where the fun is. I leveld a priest to lvl 33 in WoW, later I bought a 60 priest, I got complimented my first fun, and I was in ZG with strangers 4 days later and they wanted me to join them weekly. The moral of teh story, the level cap for a priest should be like lvl 30 or 33, cause all the crap past that is just to get subscription money. Also 33 was when I learned to use sunder and how shield block procs revenge, so make level caps like the equivilant of leveling to 35 or so in WoW and then you don't have to worry about powerlevelers, then you just have raiders, which are just end game powerlevelers without levels to... power.

So the level cap is the already existing solution to powerlevelers, and I'd like lower caps, cause drawn out leveling is stupid. My mage in wow has been using nothing but arcane missiles and frostnova since like lvl 35 and now i'm lvl 48, shatter spec and crap with all +arcane gear, missile, nova, strafe, missile usuually high crit percentage on that, repeat. if I have a mob sheep I cast frostbolt to unsheep hoping it procs shatter, I learned the shatter thing around lvl 45, the missiles been doing since forever, cause it didn't take me long at all to figure out +arcane > intellect (more +arcane stuff pre 60, fire might be better but I only made lvl 48 so far, pure grinding too past lvl 30 or so)

Copeland · February 2007

Ofcourse those who put in more time should garner more reward. Wouldn't you feel cheated if you played for hours only to find someone who played 10 minutes was your equal?

pureazure · February 2007

Originally posted by JackDonkey

I think all leveling should be just a drawn out tutorial to the end game, and the end game is where the fun is.

The fun should start straight after character creation. If you aren't having fun, you might want to question why you are playing it to begin with.

As long as I can enjoy the rate I game at, it doesn't really matter to me who power levels.

Signe · February 2007

I don't care. People can play any way they like. Not my business.

Veiled_light · February 2007

nothing?

Kurush · February 2007

Some people look at it as a challenge to level their character as efficiently as possible. It doesn't mean they slogged away in front of their keyboard for two-hundred hours as some people like to think. It also doesn't mean they didn't have any fun. My second char in WoW was a rogue. I got him to 43 in two weeks, and that was only playing a few hours each day. I did almost all of it solo or in spontaneously formed groups, and I didn't really give him any gear from my 60. Believe it or not, I actually had fun doing it.

Part of the MMORPG formula is grind, honestly. You're spending all of your time either grinding for gear or grinding for levels, pretty much. You may be having fun doing it as part of a quest, but the underlying mechanic is still present.

Personally, I would like to see more games like Guild Wars, where top gear and max level is basically obtained with no effort, and the emphasis is put on intelligent selection of skills and gear for power rather than grind. That shifts the focus of the game away from repeating the same PvM dungeons ad infinitum and towards dynamic PVP and story-based PVE content.

Redslayer · February 2007

Originally posted by JackDonkey

end game is where the fun is.

RPGs are not about 'end game'and never have been... MMO'RPG's should not be about endgame,(seeing as they are just online RPGs )... Thats for FPS,Racing,Fighting,RTS and other such games... Where there is no levels, I think there are too many people getting into the MMO'RPG' Market that don't understand what RPGs even are.

What they should be, Is fun... From the early levels all the way till the end... At which point either Raiding,PvP,Starting a new char... Or standing around talking is all thats left...

I personally don't like raiding, And PvP is ok, but alot of people act like morons when PvP'ing... So if games were only about endgame, I would stick to playing offline games or FPS,Racing,Fighting,RTS online...

Bottom line- If there is only endgame, Then its not an RPG... Look at all offline RPGs - Final Fantasy (I never really got into early FF games)7-12 , Suikoden 1-5 , Xenogears, Musashi , Xenosaga 1-2-3 , even - Star wars Knights of the old republic 1-2 , Fable... All include leveling, and have nothing to do with "endgame" If MMORPGs get rid of leveling they wont me RPGs anymore (IMHO).

I have no problem with power levelers tho. As I was one at one point, If thats what you wanna do go for it, But don't ask to get rid of levels...

AutemOx · February 2007

If people want to rush through the levels I really dont think we should be mad at them or something like that... If other players rushing through the game damages our own enjoyment of the game, then that really is a mistake on the developers part, IMO... IE, if level 60's are allowed to run around newbie areas camping low levels. But it almost all mmorpgs I've played, it really doesnt matter if other players are power leveling.

I always take leveling very slow; too slow really...

severius · February 2007

I for one don't care either way. If they bought the game its their choice as to how they play it. Personally I normally prefer the journey to the end game more than the endgame itself of these games. I try to explore every nook and cranny I can and get all I can from the game. But that is my personal preference. To each their own though

ianubisi · February 2007

Play the way you want to play.

mbblade · February 2007

well is say buying chars and paying other peeps to lvl your chars should be punished. If you have a high lvl friend and he Pwr lvls ya then its fine or if you have 2 accts and you pwr lvl one and such is ok but paying other peeps to lvl ya and buying is a BIGG NO NO

Vhaln · February 2007

I think there are different types of powerlevelling, and have different feelings about each type.

If a person is just spending lots of time levelling, and thus levels relatively fast, I think that's fine. They're only playing the game the way it seems meant to be played, and just have way too much free time to do it.

OTOH, if a person is using the mechanics to level faster than the devs intend, I think it's bad for the game, players shouldn't do it, and devs should do what they can to prevent it. Such as, twinking, or a high level player accelerating the grind for a low level character. Or even when groups find ways to exceed the sum of thier parts by too great a margin.

I think xp should be capped by time in game. Not by real life time, that would slow down people who just play a lot, but just the amount that can be gained per hour, so that all exploits would be rendered negligible, while the average leveller would almost never hit the cap. It'd be important to get that cap right, and err on the high side, so that it doesn't frustrate people who aren't really powerlevelling.

Faur · February 2007

Nothing against powerlevellers or powergamers as long as they don't interfere with my gameplay. Who cares. Game and let game.

Tho, I don't agree with nor understand their style of play. I've always been a fun>function kinda guy. I will play the class that is more fun and not more powerful. I don't mind gimping my defense by up to 30% in favor of better looking armor. I will form a party with 9 of my friends even if soloing the area will earn me 10 times as much xp over time. I would rather fight 5 pvp fights unbuffed and lose them all than do 1 fight fully buffed and win. And so on.

I just don't subscribe to the "games=work" mentality that a lot of powergamers seem to have.

paulscott · February 2007

everyone plays the game their way.

exanimo · February 2007

power level is fun for those that do it to others
those that pay to get power lvled , they must have some good reasons i cant understand.

I dont care.

Xpheyel · February 2007

People should be allowed to play however they want. Inside the rules.

Though I don't know how much they can do at endgame to make MMORPGs more fun. A big part of my enjoyment of (MMO)RPGs is the character advancement (gaining levels, feats, skills, whatever). Endgame is usually considered the end of that process. Unless they make a game where respecing is relatively simple or you have some way to level up different trees you're not going to be able to incoporate that into endgame.

therain93 · February 2007

I chose "I couldn't care either way".

As others have said, as long as it doesn't interfere with others gameplay, enjoy it however you wish. As far as rewards go, other than getting prizes sooner, there shouldn't be an advantage (other than natural skill increases/access to powers) to reach "endgame" first. Of course, someone who puts in the time to be most powerful should be compared to the casual player (n.b., I am a very casual player with severe altitis).

Many people enjoy the journey, at least the first time around, which I think is what developers aim for. The nice thing about Dark Age of Camelot (back in the day) was that you essentially got to play the game 3 times (Hibernia, Midgaard and Albion realm were wholly separate). Warcraft offers a similar experience if you switch sides (but who here doesn't know that already? ; ' ) Min/maxing can be fun, racing against the clock or just the cpu to be as efficient as possible. I typically enjoy that on later go arounds though--it just seems wrong to blow through content the first time around though -- it loses some of the specialness but to each their own.

As far as defining a game by its end game, I disagree with that. If it's all about the end game, then why not just start everyone at that level. Give them 60 levels of experience, allow unlimited respecs and throw everyone out there.

Anyway, live and let live.

DrowNoble · February 2007

I only have an issue if someone uses a power leveling service since, to me, that is a form of cheating. Second, once they are handed the reigns of their level 40 Whatever, they have no clue how to play it. This typically can ruin the game for those that they group with.

Though in City of Heroes/Villains this power leveling happens a lot with bored 50's. A couple 50's will take some lowbies and get them some quick xp. I've done this myself sometimes with my scrapper as well. In that case, it really helps to add to the community.

Balerathon · February 2007

Plvlers are simply a service provider.. Like a Merchant NPC... Why are there no posts flaming Merchant NPCs? They offer you a service, it is Your right to use it or not and the Game Devs approve it by not restricting it.

There are Many games that nearly eliminate Plvling by not allowing you to party with chars who are X levels below you, or you get a severe XP penalty if they are X levels below you.

If the Devs didnt want Plvling to exist, they have many ways of abolishing it. If they dont care then its free for all.

What you should really be polling is not the Plvlers (they are just doing people a favor/service) You should be asking 'What do you think of people who Use Plvlers." Thats the better question.

Its just like a game where there is a mercinary clan... do you hate them? or the people who use them. if there was no demand for a "hit" service that clan would not exist.

Or a farmer who always has a supply of great mats and items. If no one needed/wanted those things, he would be out of a job.

Things only exist because of necessity. If there was no demand for Plvling there would be no Plvlers. Simple hard economics.

Dont hate the service provider. If you're gonna hate someone, hate the people who demand the service

Cheers!

therain93 · February 2007

Originally posted by Czarr_Rom

Plvlers are simply a service provider.. Like a Merchant NPC... Why are there no posts flaming Merchant NPCs? They offer you a service, it is Your right to use it or not and the Game Devs approve it by not restricting it.
...What you should really be polling is not the Plvlers (they are just doing people a favor/service) You should be asking 'What do you think of people who Use Plvlers." Thats the better question.
...Things only exist because of necessity. If there was no demand for Plvling there would be no Plvlers. Simple hard economics.
Dont hate the service provider. If you're gonna hate someone, hate the people who demand the service

Well said and absolutely agree. Honestly, I could care less about people who use a power-leveling service too. Again, it's the player's enjoyment really (although it boggles my mind if someone decides to skip so much content, again the first go around). What I find to be disappointing and annoying though is if you party with a high level character being run by someone who doesn't know how to use it.

NewMonster · February 2007

if ower lving in a legal way..... i would say yes its ok! like let ur higher lv mage buddy in party on party mode lv share exp.... let her do AOE while u jus sit around watching tv.

if power lving in ilegal way such as.... power leveling service on sites or ebay..... that is ilegal and i cannot aprove. those kind of service tends to use bots on ur charecter to lv fast.

edit:

also want to mention if power leveling like.... u pay someone with in-game currency to help you level.... or let u leech them etc.... it is ok to me.

Kurir · February 2007

If I power level so what, if a guy pays someone else to power level his characters so what. I play the way I want to and you can play the way you want to, who gives a rip. Silly topic.

nomadian · February 2007

I only have an issue if someone uses a power leveling service since, to me, that is a form of cheating.

This is what developers want people to think. Who really cares if someone forgoes the grind or the zillion 'collect x' quests. The developers don't want it because they lose money on what would otherwise be someone spending hours levelling. The only vantage point from the player is level 60/70 characters that don't know how to play and having the misfortune to group with them. Actually edit, not supporting them as I don't agree with people playing the game for money, but just was an odd argument.

nomadian · February 2007

if a guy pays someone else to power level his characters so what.

Whats bad about that is you got a load of people playing the game for the wrong reasons and taking spots which other players need. (Ironically, if selling characters was fine and dandy, powerlevellers would be more likely cutout potentially.)

Hives · February 2007

If everyone plays by the rules I see no problem but to be honest I get sick of hearing about the casual players needing this and that or it's unfair. I know MMORPGS change on a daily basis but you ahould have some kind of idea when you buy the game if it's casual or not. I compare the types of gamers and their arguing to playing a fps, if you kill to many people without cheating they call you a cheat and if you use cheats they're still call you a cheat, Anyway you look at it you can't win for losing in a who's right argument. PLAY HONEST, PERIOD!

Howdy, Stranger!

What do you think of power levelers?

Comments

Howdy, Stranger!

Quick Links

What do you think of power levelers?

Comments