I for one feel a bit cheated when I bought the special ed. box and got 3 months with a game that feels like its running in syrup and have items that do not even show wich slot they supose to go in (Quiver). The graphix on my machine who runs wow perfectly seem to be what a kid could make with disapearing playdooh. The story was suposed to be involving but as far as I have played seem to be the exact thing of I'm-to-lazy-NPC-to-get-my-waterbottle-on-the-table kinda quests. The ONLY thing so far I have had any fun with is the Diplomacy, only tragic is that it's a bad version of all RL cardgames I've played. Think I will follow the advice and get my account in stasis until things clear up. All sounded good here on MMORPG.com when they made their comersials here but now when really trying it I feel cheated.
I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK I work all day and I MMO all night....
I can honestly say since i started i have only noticed a few bugs
1) Doors half open and Half closed, triggering makes them move (reported)
2) Quest didnt complete correctly by either awarding me XP or the reward i was supposed to get (reported)
hmmm that seems to be it, not bad for 5 days of play since launch, All in all less bugs than i deal with in work on a multi million pound network installation thats ahs only been up and running for less than a year
If you dont wanna play then dont play, if you wanna play then play, but dont ever listen to someone tell you you cant play!!
These are issues that should have been worked out in beta BEFORE they went live. For me personally, it's completely unacceptable. I got in beta 5 like 30 days before release. I looked around for a few days and thought, there is no way this thing is ready for retail and it still isn't obviously but all the fanbois were saying oh just wait its beta, its only beta, Sigil will fix it all before release they haven't even come close to fixing all the issues. Sigil deserves to flop for pushing this out when its so far from complete.
Its because they are just SOE but under the name Sigil as a cover, their buisness practices prove this.
I still don't get why this is even remotely acceptable in the MMORPG community, if Vanguard was a console game I don't they would have released early. /shrug
It's not SOE's fault, they gave Sigil a 2nd chance. If they stuck with Microsoft they'd be forced for vista only and make a 360 version :P If they stuck on their own then they wouldn't be able to publish it to boxed and would have to release like over a year ago.
SOE gave them a chance and made the game better and gave them another year or so as a result.
THe game has to be released sometime and it's Sigils fault for developing a crap game.
Yep, it's Sigil's fault for spending a majority of their dev time with Microsoft eating cheetos and playing Battlefield 2. That was 8 months of could have been progress flushed down the drain.
It's unbelievable people are acutally saying 'There aren't that many bugs' when Sigil themselves have admitted: European players are currently unable to properly claim their Collector's Edition benefits. We are aware of this and are working on it. Players who abandon diplomacy quests, lose quests due to server crashes, or fail to accept a quest the first time it is offered may never be able to do the quest again. This is being worked on. Sometimes, when going through certain areas, group members will "disappear". Their character is still there, but other players are unable to see them. This is being worked on. And these are just some of the 'top issues they are working on'. As bad as WoW's release was, as nightmarish the queues, I never once lost a quest. I never once 'disappeared'. For all of its flaws Blizzard had a solid product on release - it was the raid-or-die endgame, lack of PvP emphasis and balancing issues that are the game's main problem. But the game itself worked on release. Stop making excuses for shoddy business practices and accepting them. You can make a difference. Cancel and tell Sigil and Sony you will return when the game is working. Or you can keep on paying and let Sony continue to reap the profits of producing bug-filled games. IF you constantly give a dog a treat for biting you, it's going to keep on biting you. It seem there are plenty of gamers out there who are willing to let it happen /boggle.
Seriously just go back to WoW, your comments are extremely ridiculous, why the hell would i cancelle a sub for a game that i enjoy playing? O because some WoW fanboy who apparently doesn't even know the difference between reading about the bugs and playing the game and actually experiencing them. I have only experienced one bug since launch, 1 bug! and thats the mobs sometimes disappearing then randomly reappearing, thats all. And i have infact seen that very same bug appear in WoW and other mmos on several occasions. So what we mean by "a few bugs here and there", is that when we play we only see a few bugs here and there if any. So please just leave Vanguard alone and go back to the game that you so obviously adore.
o and btw, im not making excuses im just giving you MY opinion.
I love the part about "issues custoner support cannot assist you with." Which is pretty much anything lol. GG Sigil.
Show me one game that dosent have a few bugs , Burnung Crusade even has a lot , Quests that dont work and even instances that are totally bugged and are unable to be finished in fact i seen more bugs in one week of playing WOW than ive seen in vanguard since open beta started ,so get off your high horse loser
I always like when people talk about the WoW launch. I played WoW and out of ALL the MMO's I've played it had the most bugs of any game I've played that have effected me personally and this includes vanguard. In Vanguard I've seen 2 bugs since I've been playing since release. In WoW..Dozens. including.. Falling through the world on several occations. Glitched animations. Mobs I couldn't attack yet where beating the crap out of me. Mobs that just stood there and let me beat on them. Getting stuck in objects in the world. (rocks, trees, etc.) Broken quests. My combat abilites not resetting. NPCs being invisible. These are just a few of the bugs I've personally seen and reported during my time in WoW. The point is nothing is perfect. Anything made by humans will always have its issues but, in the end having fun is what matters.For me I am having A Lot of fun in Vanguard.
I was experiencing almost all of those bugs when open beta ended.
Every time I recalled to the queen i fell through the floor and was stuck under the building.
Mobs attacking from about 60 feet away and disappearing.
A lot of the quests were still broken both crafting and adventuring.
I have no delusions about any MMO having a perfect launch but Sigil knew the game was not ready and the launched it anyway.
I would never defend WOW so please don't misunderstand my reasoning for quoting you it was just that I was still experiencing those things when Vanguard beta ended and when I read your post I had to laugh and reply
That was open beta are you playing after release cause if your not the game is awesome ive seen very few bugs myself alot less than any other mmo ive ever played I guess some of us can deal with a few minor bugs and some of us cant personally i would pay sigil twice as much for there game as i would pay for blizzards buggy piece of crap
It's unbelievable people are acutally saying 'There aren't that many bugs' when Sigil themselves have admitted: European players are currently unable to properly claim their Collector's Edition benefits. We are aware of this and are working on it. Players who abandon diplomacy quests, lose quests due to server crashes, or fail to accept a quest the first time it is offered may never be able to do the quest again. This is being worked on. Sometimes, when going through certain areas, group members will "disappear". Their character is still there, but other players are unable to see them. This is being worked on. And these are just some of the 'top issues they are working on'. As bad as WoW's release was, as nightmarish the queues, I never once lost a quest. I never once 'disappeared'. For all of its flaws Blizzard had a solid product on release - it was the raid-or-die endgame, lack of PvP emphasis and balancing issues that are the game's main problem. But the game itself worked on release. Stop making excuses for shoddy business practices and accepting them. You can make a difference. Cancel and tell Sigil and Sony you will return when the game is working. Or you can keep on paying and let Sony continue to reap the profits of producing bug-filled games. IF you constantly give a dog a treat for biting you, it's going to keep on biting you. It seem there are plenty of gamers out there who are willing to let it happen /boggle.
All spend my money on whatever i want, like i said i havent seen any of the bugs you guys whine about like its the end of the world , if you dont like the game than go find a game you do like
These are issues that should have been worked out in beta BEFORE they went live. For me personally, it's completely unacceptable. I got in beta 5 like 30 days before release. I looked around for a few days and thought, there is no way this thing is ready for retail and it still isn't obviously but all the fanbois were saying oh just wait its beta, its only beta,
Hate to break this to you but the vanboi's were right....
How bout you try the retail product so you actually know what your talking about, no?
Oh, and personally I would say that Vanguard launched smoother than WOW.....
Here is a snippet from the 2004 Dec 21st patch notes of WOW, this is almost a MONTH after release! (i was looking for an earlier one that I remember had a TON more of bug fixes but i could not find it):
Dec 21 2004 WOW patch notes
Bug Fixes
- Rolling for items in the French and German will now work properly.
- Resolved an issue with looting in click to move mode that could cause crashes.
- Performance issues occurring with certain CPUs have been resolved.
Bugs Fixed
- A bug with bandages has been fixed. Previously, only the lowest rank bandage (Linen Bandage) was working correctly in that it brought up a channeling bar and required you to remain still while bandaging. All of the other bandage types (Heavy Linen through Heavy Runecloth) were working incorrectly, but have been fixed to operate the same way that Linen Bandages do.
- Cenarion Vindicators no longer summon Forces of Nature as quickly.
- Severed Dreamers no longer summon Nightmares as quickly.
- Several elite creatures that were missing their elite tags have been fixed.
- Will of the Forsaken is no longer grayed out on the action bar while you are fleeing.
- The Emerald Dragon Whelp will assist you when summoned.
- Aquatic creatures will no longer eventually teleport to you if you harass them from land.
- Undead players will no longer be invisible when they first log in after watching the intro cinematic.
- Fixed the rotating animations of the crystals in Un'Goro Crater.
- Reginald Windsor's yell can be heard during The Great Masquerade.
- Kodos in the Barrens will no longer stomp incessantly while in combat.
- The Ward of Laze is now summoned at a more appropriate level, instead of level one.
- Some elite creatures in outdoor areas of the world had higher than normal experience modifiers, and were corrected to award the proper amount of experience.
- Rare creatures in many of the higher level outdoor zones will now use their appropriate combat abilities.
- Autoloot has been fixed to work with skinning.
- Fixed durability display on vendor buyback items.
- Some creatures in the outdoor world had much less armor than intended. This has been corrected.
- A bug causing war stomp to not affect some targets within melee range has been fixed.
Add all that to ridiculously long server queues and id say Vanguard is lookin pretty good..... I mean, theres nothing more game breaking then having to wait in line for HOURS just to be able to play... you can accept that but when we have the rare dissapearing mob as the most game breaking thing in Vanguard, you refuse to buy the game........................
I think most of the people who are complaining about bugs and problems were playing in open beta and telling themselves, "This isn't ready." Well, they were right. It wasn't. Most of them quit right there, assuming that they were playing the retail version.
That is where they were wrong. So very, very wrong. During the last week of open beta, they fixed an amazing number of bugs and glitches, and even updated those combat animations that everyone was complaining ever so much about.
As of now, the game plays great, and the number of bugs is minimal. Also, there is extremely little downtime and the servers are remarkably stable. This in particular is something no one can say about WoW. Remember how they gave everyone 4 free days? Yeah, that was because of the incredible downtime and queues. Four days. Even if you encounter bugs that prevent you from doing a quest, at least you can play. You couldn't say the same about WoW.
I can make a list of the bugs I've encounted post-release.
One broken quest. The NPC I have to find spawns in an unreachable location. For this I simply did other quests, as there are many to go around.
Enemies will occasional disappear from combat. When this happens, they will still auto-attack you, and can use beneficial spells on themselves. Similarly, you can only auto-attack them, which can result in almost certain death if you do nothing about it. The fix? Come on, it's so easy. Move out of range. The monster will be forced to come closer to you, and will reappear. Wow! So game-breaking! They'll have this fixed soon, I'm sure.
In one room with an elevator, other players do not visually get off the elevator. This is the problem they mentioned in this update. It's extremely annoying, but at least they acknowledge it and post that they're working on it.
And another thing. Why the hell did MMORPG.com post this here? I don't see them posting WoW's patch notes. Are they trying to give haters something to bitch about? Cause that's sure what's happening.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Can you give me a list of the bugs you speak about? The only bug I've ran into is the disappearing one.
Here is the patch list for tonight
Game Updates February 07,2007
GAMEPLAY NOTES
- You can now type /portrait to upload your characters portrait to www.vgplayers.com
- Player Housing – Plot upkeep costs have been increased to their intended values. Please make sure you have sufficient funds in your escrow account.
- Out of combat energy regeneration rates have been decreased to encourage the use of food. It is still faster than in combat energy regeneration.
- The critical hit weapon bonus on fast weapons has been reduced to 5%. The same rules apply for dual wielding giving you 2.5% critical hit bonus from the off-hand.
- Axes have had their damage range decreased. They now have the second largest range with the largest being lances, spears and polearms.
- Swords have had their damage range slightly increased.
- Short swords have been given the critical hit weapon bonus as they do light weapon DPS. They still retain their sword damage range.
- Challenge level 3 NPCs lower level than a player now give moderately more experience. Challenge level 4+ NPCs lower level than a player now give significantly more experience.
- Faction requirements have been lowered again based upon player feedback and our play experiences.
- Fixed a problem that was applying incorrect armor types to NPCs. NPC armor should now work as expected, with warrior type NPCs mitigating the most damage, and caster type NPCs mitigating the least.
- Horseshoes now properly display and enforce their level requirement
- Mounts now properly display and enforce their level requirements
- Food now properly displays and enforces level requirements
- Expendables now properly display and enforce level requirements
- Barding now properly displays and enforces its item level requirements
- Fixed an issue with focus items that were causing them to have 0 delay
- The max range reduction has been removed from all store bought ammo
- Fixed several unattackable NPCs that may have somehow been giving faction hits
- Charmed NPCs now hit a damage soft cap in the damage range between challenge level 3 and 4.
- Charm duration on challenge level 4 and above NPCs has been reduced.
- Charm break chance on challenge level 4 and above NPCs has been increased.
- When an NPC is charmed offensive targets are now automatically cleared for all players targeting the NPC. The same is true for defensive target when the charm breaks.
- Charmed NPCs now have their name color changed and their targeting color changed for everyone in the area of the charm. The same is true when the charm breaks.
- Charmed NPCs now have normal pet out of combat regeneration when not in combat.
- When charming an NPC the caster will now also generate a very small amount of aggro on other NPCs in the area.
- When charm is about to wear off there is now a system alert to the master of the charm.
ADVENTURING
- Monks and Disciples - Monk unarmed critical hit bonus now matches that of light weapons. The disciple critical hit bonus when unarmed was only slightly decreased.
- Bard – Increased the cost of Swirl of the Tempest to the appropriate amount.
- Bard – Calming Lullaby no longer causes global recovery, is now instant cast and has had its energy cost increased.
- Blood Mage – Cleansing Symbiote no longer spams particles every 10 seconds
- Disciple – Lowered the heal portion of Blessed Wind.
- Disciple – Lowered healing on Endowment of Life.
- Dread Knight – Vengeance is no longer on next attack, it is instant.
- Dread Knight – Removed refresh timer from Abyssal Chains.
- Necromancer - Zealots should now deal the proper amount of damage.
- Necromancer - Zealots should now attack quicker.
- Necromancer - Acolytes now increase in power as you level.
- Necromancer - Bloodfeast and Transmogrify now have a brief delay before the hit point to energy conversion begins.
- Necromancer – The strength portion granted by Legs of the Colossus has been reduced.
- Necromancer – Added Fists back to Graft tables. These should now work correctly.
- Necromancer – Adjusted the pet direct heal down. It now scales with current abomination hit points.
- Necromancer – Renamed Ribcage of Reinforcement to Sarcous Ribcage
- Necromancer – Sarcous Ribcage now grants AC only.
- Necromancer – Backbone of Strength is now Thewy Ribcage.
- Necromancer – Renamed Ribcage of Heartiness to Fleshy Ribcage.
- Necromancer – Fleshy Ribcage now grants CON only.
- Necromancer – Added Torso grafts to Necropsy tables. These should now function properly.
- Psionicist - Reduced the range on lure.
- Psionicist - All illusions should now turn you into the proper race.
- Psionicist - Mass Expansive Mind is now a group buff.
- Psionicist - Mind Wipe and Memory Shift should now display precise numbers for hate granted/subtracted.
- Psionicist - Simulacrum is intended to be an illusion for the entity it is cast on. It was a bug that other NPCs in the area gained aggro on the simulacrum. When the spell is initially cast other NPCs in area will gain a very small amount of hate on the caster. However, enemies that wander into range of the illusionary battle will continue past it thinking their ally is practicing its skills.
- Ranger – Grasp of Earth now actually uses the Alteration skill, instead of just claiming to.
- Ranger – You no longer hit yourself with Windsong for 0. This means it will no longer trigger Winter’s Cloak on yourself.
- Rogue - Updated all legacy rogue poison components to be cash items
- Shaman – Ritual of Sacrifice no longer incurs global recovery.
- Shaman - Tuurgin’s Vigor should now properly reduce endurance costs.
- Shaman - Tuurgin’s Vigor should now display correctly.
- Shaman - Throat Rip I and II should now deal damage over time as intended.
- Sorcerer – Energy Rift endurance cost has been fixed. It is now significantly more expensive. The previous energy cost was not the intended amount.
- Sorcerer – Chaos Volley now costs more energy to cast.
CRAFTING NOTES
- Crafting gear that gives a crafting tool mod will now correctly affect both artificer tool skills.
- Fixed issue that was causing crafters to get rewards an entire grade higher then what they were supposed to from work orders
- You are now required to have the appropriate novice training to take the quest to find the amateur trainer.
- Removed some duplicate recipes from trainers.
- The Thestran continental style quests should now function properly for blacksmiths and artificers.
- The crafting advisor now provides additional information on the following subjects all gleaned from user feedback: catalysts/enhancers, horse renting, toolbelts, crafting setup, harvesting in relation to crafting, trade recipes, attributes, skills, action types, and the importance of refining and finishing.
- Faction has been greatly increased for outpost work orders.
- Fixed issue with thrown items displaying wrong damage stats
- Fixed incorrect display name on enchanted iron horseshoes
- The Tursh Supplies quest now provides more trade-appropriate tools.
- Crafting stations have been added to Veskal’s Exchange.
- Crafting taskmasters have been added to Veskal’s Exchange.
- Tawar Galan now has crafting stations.
- Tawar Galan now has taskmasters.
- Dune Eagle Trading Company Apron now is able to be equipped by all trades as intended.
- Refining recipes have been reduced in level.
- The Khal refining taskmaster now pauses longer in his route.
- Khal now has the amateur grip recipe.
- Existing references to Youngtree in certain quests were fixed.
- Oranku Silverwolf should no longer have an error in dialogue.
- Utility pouches now properly display and enforce their level requirements
- Crafted barding has had its sell price lowered
- Crafted expendables will no longer burn a charge when you do not meet the level requirement
- Mount speeds have been fixed
- Crafting level is now considered in min levels for mounts
- Kanada Stormpeak should no longer disappear when moving around the shop in Tanvu.
- Tin maces are now available on Thestra both in cities and outposts.
- Artificer elemental training quests have had their overall experience reduced.
- Outfitters can now change specialization at most outfitter trainers!
- Artificers can now change specialization at most artificer trainers!
- Blacksmiths can now change specialization at most blacksmith trainers!
- More trainers now offer to help you switch trades.
- Fixed issue with thrown items that was affecting their damage. (For real this time)
- Upgraded damage of crafted thrown items across the board
- Moren will now discuss work outside of Ca’ial Brael
- Upped rate of orbs from deconstruction a small amount
- Halgarad artificers-in-training must now actually assembly the saw to complete the Novice Quest.
- The staves that are made for the style quests are now properly referred to as staves in the recipe name and description.
- Drogan and Davrin should be fixed for Luca’s Quest.
- Style quest NPCs should now train you properly and give you the quest updates.
- Skill requirements for Practice Iron Bindings have been reduced
- The names on Pristine Harvesting Helms have been corrected.
- Fixed item level issue with tier 1 and 2 crafted shirts
- Rarity will now give crafted items an innate level boost along with standard increase in power
- Fixed item level issue for all crafted breastplates
- Gwartak Clan Armor Recipe should now work properly.
- More Gwartak recipe options will be available earlier on.
- Baguette Healing Necklace of Defense has been fixed to use Specialized Defense instead of Summoning.
- Superior Oval Healing Necklace of Defense has been fixed to use Physical Absorption instead of Mental Absorption.
- Leather Strapping recipes have had their names updated.
- Fixed Practice Sail recipes.
- Fixed Copper Martial Sword recipes.
- Copper Martial Sword recipes should now be available in Khal.
- Barbed Wood Weapon Upgrade recipe now accepts Virus Shortbow of Pain.
DIPLOMACY NOTES
- The Info Brokers in Naemsog Bunker have forgotten their old allegiances and have appropriate faction loyalty.
- The quest, “A Case of Children Lost,” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- New quest available for diplomats in Tawar Galan, “A New Crossbow for Jane.”
- New quest available for diplomats in Tawar Galan, “Find Fisher Juni.”
- Acid Tongue, Lascivious Intimation, Dogmatic Parlance, and Esoteric Reference have had their refresh timers increased.
- All Informants should give the correct items and remove the correct amounts of information from your inventory.
- The quest “A Trader for the Cause” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Missing Crewmember” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Redeye’s Reavers“ is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Retrieving Rabble” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Drinks For Free” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “A Tricky Situation” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “The Prodigal Apprentice” is available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “A Case of the Jitters” is available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “Taming the Beast” is now available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “What a Groundskeeper Knows” is now available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “Mint Condition” is now available from Horselord Mineon Frenouran at Frenouran’s Villa.
- The quest “The Race” is available from Horselord Mineon Frenouran for players who have completed “Mint Condition.”
- “Clear the Evidence” in the Mordebi newbie line is once again working properly.
- The Arcane Informant in Three Rivers has been moved to the guard tower for her own safety.
- Derogar’s Post is now linked to Halgarad’s Civic Diplomacy levers. This means both areas share these levers, and both areas enjoy the same benefits. (testing: /chunk -22 26, try to win a Civic parley with an NPC there and confirm that the levers move)
- A number of new lore-based dialogues have been introduced to Civic Diplomacy. Look for lore about the gods for the next few content updates (this one features Kaerellun, Gloriann, and Sartholas).
- Each horse quest line now has an interim quest available for those who have completed the horse delivery but are not yet level 10 and can take the quest on which you actually acquire your horse. If you have done the delivery, and are still grinding your crafting or adventuring to 10, return to where your horse delivery quest dumped you off (Naemsog Bunker, Dark Horse Downs, Tawar Galan, the Martok docks, Three Rivers, or Veskal’s Exchange) to check out this quest.
WORLD POPULATION NOTES
- Coastal Graveyard - Added additional quests to Coastal Graveyard in Thestra
- Dargun’s Tomb - Tweaks have been made to the quests around Dargun’s Tomb
- Falgarholm - Adjusted the difficulty on a number of NPCs in Falgarholm.
- Falgarholm – Added the repair option to the merchants at the Northern Border near Falgarholm.
- Falgarholm – Adjusted the wolf tamers in Falgarholm so that their wolves now assist properly.
- Falgarholm - Removed the flee scripts on multiple NPCs inside Falgarholm.
- Items - Trumpet of Trengal Keep item has been fixed, bards enjoy – everyone else, sell it!
- Khal - The guards in Khal will now tell you where you can find the ship to Kojan.
- Nakai Dojo - Trainers have been added to the Nakai Dojo.
- Pantheon of the Ancients – The following quests in Pantheon of the Ancients have been disabled for the time being:
- By the Shieldmaiden
- Drape of the Silver-Tongued
- Escort the Chancellor
- Found and Hidden Again
- Great Sacrifice
- Hood of the Peacebringer
- Kreshnikara, the Weaver of Storms
- Maintain an Impartial Mind
- Recession of Beauty
- Righteous Flame
- Summonling of Vol Tuniel
- Symphony of the Butcher
- The Hunt
- The Maw of Tyranny
- The Rescue
- Trial of the Strategist
- Qa Riverbank - The Qa Riverbank Missive Board is now in operation. It can be found at the Neamsog Bunker.
- Quests - The quest, “Goods of Raia,” is no longer sharable.
- Skawlra Rock - Skawlra of the Rock now grant Mekalia, Khal, and Upside Alliance faction.
- Temple of Dailuk - Stone ail Scorpions have had their difficulty reduced.
- Temple of Dailuk - Quest: Betrayel – All group members on the quest should now receive the update after killing Palpenzar.
- Vendors - Mailboxes and General Vendors have been added to the outposts in the Tomb of Lord Tsang and Magi Hold.
- Veskal’s Exchange - There is now a missive board in Veskal’s Exchange.
- Zar Island - Killing Zar Acolytes now correctly gives Unicorns of Silverlake faction.
GUI NOTES
- Added an end harvesting button to the harvesting window.
- Harvesting tool delay is now viewable in item examine.
- All NPC abilities have had their icons updated and should now display correctly.
- The Market window has been almost entirely overhauled to look and function better.
- Market searches are now far more intuitive and easy to do. They will also return more accurate results!
- Choosing things in the Market search dropdowns will now appropriately narrow the options for other dropdowns.
- You may now click on the column headers in the Market window to sort by that column.
CODING
- Right clicking on altars will no longer bring up an inspect window.
- Fix for groups being disbanded when a member runs across a chunk boundary.
- Group members should no longer timeout from their group because the leader of the group moved to different chunk.
- You can no longer put bags into themselves. The space-time continuum is safe once again.
~The Vanguard Team
In between the nerfs and the added stuff there were a couple of bugs they fixed
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I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK I work all day and I MMO all night....
I can honestly say since i started i have only noticed a few bugs
1) Doors half open and Half closed, triggering makes them move (reported)
2) Quest didnt complete correctly by either awarding me XP or the reward i was supposed to get (reported)
hmmm that seems to be it, not bad for 5 days of play since launch, All in all less bugs than i deal with in work on a multi million pound network installation thats ahs only been up and running for less than a year
If you dont wanna play then dont play, if you wanna play then play, but dont ever listen to someone tell you you cant play!!
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Its because they are just SOE but under the name Sigil as a cover, their buisness practices prove this.
I still don't get why this is even remotely acceptable in the MMORPG community, if Vanguard was a console game I don't they would have released early. /shrug
It's not SOE's fault, they gave Sigil a 2nd chance. If they stuck with Microsoft they'd be forced for vista only and make a 360 version :P If they stuck on their own then they wouldn't be able to publish it to boxed and would have to release like over a year ago.
SOE gave them a chance and made the game better and gave them another year or so as a result.
THe game has to be released sometime and it's Sigils fault for developing a crap game.
Yep, it's Sigil's fault for spending a majority of their dev time with Microsoft eating cheetos and playing Battlefield 2. That was 8 months of could have been progress flushed down the drain.
Seriously just go back to WoW, your comments are extremely ridiculous, why the hell would i cancelle a sub for a game that i enjoy playing? O because some WoW fanboy who apparently doesn't even know the difference between reading about the bugs and playing the game and actually experiencing them. I have only experienced one bug since launch, 1 bug! and thats the mobs sometimes disappearing then randomly reappearing, thats all. And i have infact seen that very same bug appear in WoW and other mmos on several occasions. So what we mean by "a few bugs here and there", is that when we play we only see a few bugs here and there if any. So please just leave Vanguard alone and go back to the game that you so obviously adore.
o and btw, im not making excuses im just giving you MY opinion.
Show me one game that dosent have a few bugs , Burnung Crusade even has a lot , Quests that dont work and even instances that are totally bugged and are unable to be finished in fact i seen more bugs in one week of playing WOW than ive seen in vanguard since open beta started ,so get off your high horse loserI was experiencing almost all of those bugs when open beta ended.
Every time I recalled to the queen i fell through the floor and was stuck under the building.
Mobs attacking from about 60 feet away and disappearing.
A lot of the quests were still broken both crafting and adventuring.
I have no delusions about any MMO having a perfect launch but Sigil knew the game was not ready and the launched it anyway.
I would never defend WOW so please don't misunderstand my reasoning for quoting you it was just that I was still experiencing those things when Vanguard beta ended and when I read your post I had to laugh and reply
That was open beta are you playing after release cause if your not the game is awesome ive seen very few bugs myself alot less than any other mmo ive ever played I guess some of us can deal with a few minor bugs and some of us cant personally i would pay sigil twice as much for there game as i would pay for blizzards buggy piece of crap
Damn Swede calm down dude no one said they didn't want you to pay to play.
some of us are pointing out that the game is not acceptable to us and we will not pay to play
Oh hey Swede, Fanboi says what?
"i would pay sigil twice as much for there game as i would pay for blizzards buggy piece of crap"
LOL
Hate to break this to you but the vanboi's were right....
How bout you try the retail product so you actually know what your talking about, no?
Oh, and personally I would say that Vanguard launched smoother than WOW.....
Here is a snippet from the 2004 Dec 21st patch notes of WOW, this is almost a MONTH after release! (i was looking for an earlier one that I remember had a TON more of bug fixes but i could not find it):
Add all that to ridiculously long server queues and id say Vanguard is lookin pretty good..... I mean, theres nothing more game breaking then having to wait in line for HOURS just to be able to play... you can accept that but when we have the rare dissapearing mob as the most game breaking thing in Vanguard, you refuse to buy the game........................
I dont follow the logic here sorry.
~Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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I think most of the people who are complaining about bugs and problems were playing in open beta and telling themselves, "This isn't ready." Well, they were right. It wasn't. Most of them quit right there, assuming that they were playing the retail version.
That is where they were wrong. So very, very wrong. During the last week of open beta, they fixed an amazing number of bugs and glitches, and even updated those combat animations that everyone was complaining ever so much about.
As of now, the game plays great, and the number of bugs is minimal. Also, there is extremely little downtime and the servers are remarkably stable. This in particular is something no one can say about WoW. Remember how they gave everyone 4 free days? Yeah, that was because of the incredible downtime and queues. Four days. Even if you encounter bugs that prevent you from doing a quest, at least you can play. You couldn't say the same about WoW.
I can make a list of the bugs I've encounted post-release.
One broken quest. The NPC I have to find spawns in an unreachable location. For this I simply did other quests, as there are many to go around.
Enemies will occasional disappear from combat. When this happens, they will still auto-attack you, and can use beneficial spells on themselves. Similarly, you can only auto-attack them, which can result in almost certain death if you do nothing about it. The fix? Come on, it's so easy. Move out of range. The monster will be forced to come closer to you, and will reappear. Wow! So game-breaking! They'll have this fixed soon, I'm sure.
In one room with an elevator, other players do not visually get off the elevator. This is the problem they mentioned in this update. It's extremely annoying, but at least they acknowledge it and post that they're working on it.
And another thing. Why the hell did MMORPG.com post this here? I don't see them posting WoW's patch notes. Are they trying to give haters something to bitch about? Cause that's sure what's happening.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Here is the patch list for tonight
GAMEPLAY NOTES
- You can now type /portrait to upload your characters portrait to www.vgplayers.com
- Player Housing – Plot upkeep costs have been increased to their intended values. Please make sure you have sufficient funds in your escrow account.
- Out of combat energy regeneration rates have been decreased to encourage the use of food. It is still faster than in combat energy regeneration.
- The critical hit weapon bonus on fast weapons has been reduced to 5%. The same rules apply for dual wielding giving you 2.5% critical hit bonus from the off-hand.
- Axes have had their damage range decreased. They now have the second largest range with the largest being lances, spears and polearms.
- Swords have had their damage range slightly increased.
- Short swords have been given the critical hit weapon bonus as they do light weapon DPS. They still retain their sword damage range.
- Challenge level 3 NPCs lower level than a player now give moderately more experience. Challenge level 4+ NPCs lower level than a player now give significantly more experience.
- Faction requirements have been lowered again based upon player feedback and our play experiences.
- Fixed a problem that was applying incorrect armor types to NPCs. NPC armor should now work as expected, with warrior type NPCs mitigating the most damage, and caster type NPCs mitigating the least.
- Horseshoes now properly display and enforce their level requirement
- Mounts now properly display and enforce their level requirements
- Food now properly displays and enforces level requirements
- Expendables now properly display and enforce level requirements
- Barding now properly displays and enforces its item level requirements
- Fixed an issue with focus items that were causing them to have 0 delay
- The max range reduction has been removed from all store bought ammo
- Fixed several unattackable NPCs that may have somehow been giving faction hits
- Charmed NPCs now hit a damage soft cap in the damage range between challenge level 3 and 4.
- Charm duration on challenge level 4 and above NPCs has been reduced.
- Charm break chance on challenge level 4 and above NPCs has been increased.
- When an NPC is charmed offensive targets are now automatically cleared for all players targeting the NPC. The same is true for defensive target when the charm breaks.
- Charmed NPCs now have their name color changed and their targeting color changed for everyone in the area of the charm. The same is true when the charm breaks.
- Charmed NPCs now have normal pet out of combat regeneration when not in combat.
- When charming an NPC the caster will now also generate a very small amount of aggro on other NPCs in the area.
- When charm is about to wear off there is now a system alert to the master of the charm.
ADVENTURING
- Monks and Disciples - Monk unarmed critical hit bonus now matches that of light weapons. The disciple critical hit bonus when unarmed was only slightly decreased.
- Bard – Increased the cost of Swirl of the Tempest to the appropriate amount.
- Bard – Calming Lullaby no longer causes global recovery, is now instant cast and has had its energy cost increased.
- Blood Mage – Cleansing Symbiote no longer spams particles every 10 seconds
- Disciple – Lowered the heal portion of Blessed Wind.
- Disciple – Lowered healing on Endowment of Life.
- Dread Knight – Vengeance is no longer on next attack, it is instant.
- Dread Knight – Removed refresh timer from Abyssal Chains.
- Necromancer - Zealots should now deal the proper amount of damage.
- Necromancer - Zealots should now attack quicker.
- Necromancer - Acolytes now increase in power as you level.
- Necromancer - Bloodfeast and Transmogrify now have a brief delay before the hit point to energy conversion begins.
- Necromancer – The strength portion granted by Legs of the Colossus has been reduced.
- Necromancer – Added Fists back to Graft tables. These should now work correctly.
- Necromancer – Adjusted the pet direct heal down. It now scales with current abomination hit points.
- Necromancer – Renamed Ribcage of Reinforcement to Sarcous Ribcage
- Necromancer – Sarcous Ribcage now grants AC only.
- Necromancer – Backbone of Strength is now Thewy Ribcage.
- Necromancer – Renamed Ribcage of Heartiness to Fleshy Ribcage.
- Necromancer – Fleshy Ribcage now grants CON only.
- Necromancer – Added Torso grafts to Necropsy tables. These should now function properly.
- Psionicist - Reduced the range on lure.
- Psionicist - All illusions should now turn you into the proper race.
- Psionicist - Mass Expansive Mind is now a group buff.
- Psionicist - Mind Wipe and Memory Shift should now display precise numbers for hate granted/subtracted.
- Psionicist - Simulacrum is intended to be an illusion for the entity it is cast on. It was a bug that other NPCs in the area gained aggro on the simulacrum. When the spell is initially cast other NPCs in area will gain a very small amount of hate on the caster. However, enemies that wander into range of the illusionary battle will continue past it thinking their ally is practicing its skills.
- Ranger – Grasp of Earth now actually uses the Alteration skill, instead of just claiming to.
- Ranger – You no longer hit yourself with Windsong for 0. This means it will no longer trigger Winter’s Cloak on yourself.
- Rogue - Updated all legacy rogue poison components to be cash items
- Shaman – Ritual of Sacrifice no longer incurs global recovery.
- Shaman - Tuurgin’s Vigor should now properly reduce endurance costs.
- Shaman - Tuurgin’s Vigor should now display correctly.
- Shaman - Throat Rip I and II should now deal damage over time as intended.
- Sorcerer – Energy Rift endurance cost has been fixed. It is now significantly more expensive. The previous energy cost was not the intended amount.
- Sorcerer – Chaos Volley now costs more energy to cast.
CRAFTING NOTES
- Crafting gear that gives a crafting tool mod will now correctly affect both artificer tool skills.
- Fixed issue that was causing crafters to get rewards an entire grade higher then what they were supposed to from work orders
- You are now required to have the appropriate novice training to take the quest to find the amateur trainer.
- Removed some duplicate recipes from trainers.
- The Thestran continental style quests should now function properly for blacksmiths and artificers.
- The crafting advisor now provides additional information on the following subjects all gleaned from user feedback: catalysts/enhancers, horse renting, toolbelts, crafting setup, harvesting in relation to crafting, trade recipes, attributes, skills, action types, and the importance of refining and finishing.
- Faction has been greatly increased for outpost work orders.
- Fixed issue with thrown items displaying wrong damage stats
- Fixed incorrect display name on enchanted iron horseshoes
- The Tursh Supplies quest now provides more trade-appropriate tools.
- Crafting stations have been added to Veskal’s Exchange.
- Crafting taskmasters have been added to Veskal’s Exchange.
- Tawar Galan now has crafting stations.
- Tawar Galan now has taskmasters.
- Dune Eagle Trading Company Apron now is able to be equipped by all trades as intended.
- Refining recipes have been reduced in level.
- The Khal refining taskmaster now pauses longer in his route.
- Khal now has the amateur grip recipe.
- Existing references to Youngtree in certain quests were fixed.
- Oranku Silverwolf should no longer have an error in dialogue.
- Utility pouches now properly display and enforce their level requirements
- Crafted barding has had its sell price lowered
- Crafted expendables will no longer burn a charge when you do not meet the level requirement
- Mount speeds have been fixed
- Crafting level is now considered in min levels for mounts
- Kanada Stormpeak should no longer disappear when moving around the shop in Tanvu.
- Tin maces are now available on Thestra both in cities and outposts.
- Artificer elemental training quests have had their overall experience reduced.
- Outfitters can now change specialization at most outfitter trainers!
- Artificers can now change specialization at most artificer trainers!
- Blacksmiths can now change specialization at most blacksmith trainers!
- More trainers now offer to help you switch trades.
- Fixed issue with thrown items that was affecting their damage. (For real this time)
- Upgraded damage of crafted thrown items across the board
- Moren will now discuss work outside of Ca’ial Brael
- Upped rate of orbs from deconstruction a small amount
- Halgarad artificers-in-training must now actually assembly the saw to complete the Novice Quest.
- The staves that are made for the style quests are now properly referred to as staves in the recipe name and description.
- Drogan and Davrin should be fixed for Luca’s Quest.
- Style quest NPCs should now train you properly and give you the quest updates.
- Skill requirements for Practice Iron Bindings have been reduced
- The names on Pristine Harvesting Helms have been corrected.
- Fixed item level issue with tier 1 and 2 crafted shirts
- Rarity will now give crafted items an innate level boost along with standard increase in power
- Fixed item level issue for all crafted breastplates
- Gwartak Clan Armor Recipe should now work properly.
- More Gwartak recipe options will be available earlier on.
- Baguette Healing Necklace of Defense has been fixed to use Specialized Defense instead of Summoning.
- Superior Oval Healing Necklace of Defense has been fixed to use Physical Absorption instead of Mental Absorption.
- Leather Strapping recipes have had their names updated.
- Fixed Practice Sail recipes.
- Fixed Copper Martial Sword recipes.
- Copper Martial Sword recipes should now be available in Khal.
- Barbed Wood Weapon Upgrade recipe now accepts Virus Shortbow of Pain.
DIPLOMACY NOTES
- The Info Brokers in Naemsog Bunker have forgotten their old allegiances and have appropriate faction loyalty.
- The quest, “A Case of Children Lost,” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- New quest available for diplomats in Tawar Galan, “A New Crossbow for Jane.”
- New quest available for diplomats in Tawar Galan, “Find Fisher Juni.”
- Acid Tongue, Lascivious Intimation, Dogmatic Parlance, and Esoteric Reference have had their refresh timers increased.
- All Informants should give the correct items and remove the correct amounts of information from your inventory.
- The quest “A Trader for the Cause” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Missing Crewmember” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Redeye’s Reavers“ is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Retrieving Rabble” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “Drinks For Free” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “A Tricky Situation” is now available in Tawar Galan.
- The quest “The Prodigal Apprentice” is available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “A Case of the Jitters” is available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “Taming the Beast” is now available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “What a Groundskeeper Knows” is now available in Dark Horse Downs.
- The quest “Mint Condition” is now available from Horselord Mineon Frenouran at Frenouran’s Villa.
- The quest “The Race” is available from Horselord Mineon Frenouran for players who have completed “Mint Condition.”
- “Clear the Evidence” in the Mordebi newbie line is once again working properly.
- The Arcane Informant in Three Rivers has been moved to the guard tower for her own safety.
- Derogar’s Post is now linked to Halgarad’s Civic Diplomacy levers. This means both areas share these levers, and both areas enjoy the same benefits. (testing: /chunk -22 26, try to win a Civic parley with an NPC there and confirm that the levers move)
- A number of new lore-based dialogues have been introduced to Civic Diplomacy. Look for lore about the gods for the next few content updates (this one features Kaerellun, Gloriann, and Sartholas).
- Each horse quest line now has an interim quest available for those who have completed the horse delivery but are not yet level 10 and can take the quest on which you actually acquire your horse. If you have done the delivery, and are still grinding your crafting or adventuring to 10, return to where your horse delivery quest dumped you off (Naemsog Bunker, Dark Horse Downs, Tawar Galan, the Martok docks, Three Rivers, or Veskal’s Exchange) to check out this quest.
WORLD POPULATION NOTES
- Coastal Graveyard - Added additional quests to Coastal Graveyard in Thestra
- Dargun’s Tomb - Tweaks have been made to the quests around Dargun’s Tomb
- Falgarholm - Adjusted the difficulty on a number of NPCs in Falgarholm.
- Falgarholm – Added the repair option to the merchants at the Northern Border near Falgarholm.
- Falgarholm – Adjusted the wolf tamers in Falgarholm so that their wolves now assist properly.
- Falgarholm - Removed the flee scripts on multiple NPCs inside Falgarholm.
- Items - Trumpet of Trengal Keep item has been fixed, bards enjoy – everyone else, sell it!
- Khal - The guards in Khal will now tell you where you can find the ship to Kojan.
- Nakai Dojo - Trainers have been added to the Nakai Dojo.
- Pantheon of the Ancients – The following quests in Pantheon of the Ancients have been disabled for the time being:
- By the Shieldmaiden
- Drape of the Silver-Tongued
- Escort the Chancellor
- Found and Hidden Again
- Great Sacrifice
- Hood of the Peacebringer
- Kreshnikara, the Weaver of Storms
- Maintain an Impartial Mind
- Recession of Beauty
- Righteous Flame
- Summonling of Vol Tuniel
- Symphony of the Butcher
- The Hunt
- The Maw of Tyranny
- The Rescue
- Trial of the Strategist
- Qa Riverbank - The Qa Riverbank Missive Board is now in operation. It can be found at the Neamsog Bunker.
- Quests - The quest, “Goods of Raia,” is no longer sharable.
- Skawlra Rock - Skawlra of the Rock now grant Mekalia, Khal, and Upside Alliance faction.
- Temple of Dailuk - Stone ail Scorpions have had their difficulty reduced.
- Temple of Dailuk - Quest: Betrayel – All group members on the quest should now receive the update after killing Palpenzar.
- Vendors - Mailboxes and General Vendors have been added to the outposts in the Tomb of Lord Tsang and Magi Hold.
- Veskal’s Exchange - There is now a missive board in Veskal’s Exchange.
- Zar Island - Killing Zar Acolytes now correctly gives Unicorns of Silverlake faction.
GUI NOTES
- Added an end harvesting button to the harvesting window.
- Harvesting tool delay is now viewable in item examine.
- All NPC abilities have had their icons updated and should now display correctly.
- The Market window has been almost entirely overhauled to look and function better.
- Market searches are now far more intuitive and easy to do. They will also return more accurate results!
- Choosing things in the Market search dropdowns will now appropriately narrow the options for other dropdowns.
- You may now click on the column headers in the Market window to sort by that column.
CODING
- Right clicking on altars will no longer bring up an inspect window.
- Fix for groups being disbanded when a member runs across a chunk boundary.
- Group members should no longer timeout from their group because the leader of the group moved to different chunk.
- You can no longer put bags into themselves. The space-time continuum is safe once again.
~The Vanguard Team
In between the nerfs and the added stuff there were a couple of bugs they fixed
I miss DAoC
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~Kinch/Lotu-WoW~ Retired
True RedSlayer - Eve ~ Current Primary game
If you had a option, release or go bust what would you do?
Would you throw a bunch of years down the drain for something that you know is going to work better every day from launch?
And dont fu_kn lie to yourself now:P