XXen about kugutsumen ban wee don't have details dunno if was based on something
that fact is sirmolle posted real life information about kugutsumen and he don't get banned what u have to say about that ?
It's really really simple - let me spell it out for you:
Forum misconduct do NOT yield ingame bans - I cant make it anymore clearer than that - apparently that is something people simply cant fathom.
Forum misconduct only yields forum warnings and/or forum bans.
Cuntsugmen tried to blackmail CCP - he admitted that himself - that's why he's been banned. Uhhh buhu big deal a wanted felon got banned for trying to blackmail CCP
It's really really simple - let me spell it out for you:
Forum misconduct do NOT yield ingame bans - I cant make it anymore clearer than that - apparently that is something people simply cant fathom.
Forum misconduct only yields forum warnings and/or forum bans.
And wrong. The EULA specifically states that posting of personal informations ingame or on the forums results in a full account ban.
HOWEVER, that part of the EULA is written by using the word "may", which means as a rule that part is utterly useless, as CCP can decide on that matter however they want and hand out bans or not at their complete leisure, making it a complete farce.
I for one will not be closing any of my acct's at this time or in the foreseeable future either...
This type of misconduct is part of Life..People are People and they are subject to take advantage of their positions from time to time..I am not saying it is or was right to do so however..I also feel CCP's decision to Not terminate the involved Party/Parties is the wrong decision ...However I do not have all the info they do and therefore cannot see it from their point of view...
I'll tell you why I think they did what they did...
(1) Imagine how complicated it would be to track all the items and so on made from this activity?
Not to mention the possibility that there are many other ones we know nothing about...
(2) and then quantify all the effects as well?
(3) Also difficult at best is to prove who knew what and when....
In the end the only way to ensure your playing any game that doesn't involve the chance of someone cheating is to play Solitaire!
And then you better have someone watch you and make sure You don't cheat! LOL!!!
It appears the cowards at CCP have decided to lock the threads about this without bothering to answer to truely pertinent questions.
How was it SirMolle was NOT banned for posting personal information but Kug was.
How was it that T20 wasn't fired, but an earlier GM was.
How was it that the BPO's that T20 spawned stayed in the game after he was supposedly removed.
How is it that there is ZERO consistancy in the enforcempent of their supposed policies.
All this incident shows is the continueing lack of maturity in the gaming industry. Up to now CCP had a good reputation. That they were so willing to just give that away over this is scary.
I never cease to be amazed that company's continue to want to lie to us. That they want to bury the truth when it might make them look bad. That they are so willing to give up all the goodwill they have earned simply because of moral cowardice and an unwillingness to do what is right.
INTEGRITY = It is doing what is right, even when nobody is watching. Sadly CCP seems to have given that up.
From the moment that the majority of the EVE players don't know anything about the situation says a lot.
My mate who still plays EVE told last Friday to his 50 guildmates of what happened and they didn't had a clue. And they are not the only ones. The 20 of the 100,000 accounts who will actualy close aren't enough to sake CCP. If few thousand players were going to do it, then yes they might wake up because it will bring very negative advertising too.
So until then, the situation will carry on as is because the players are not willing to do anything. Just complaining or ignoring but not doing anything.
I can tell alot of the hate-filled people here haven't read Hellmar's blog.
CCP did react against t20, and it was in a way that Hellmar would have taken back and redone if he could but the simple fact of the matter is...
CCP cannot fire t20 now without utterly destroying themselves as he was already dealt with in some (less severe than he should've got) way.
The thread on the EVE-Online forums is filled with such nonsense and bullshit that I can sum it up in three words:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
It started out being flooded with Goonswarm and aAa members, who stopped posting (with mains) likely due to them being given a reality check that they are guilty of far more wide-spread cheating than BoB is with t20's actions.
CCP (well the senior members like Hellmar), after punishing t20 in whatever way, likely realized that they screwed up, and nade a huge mistake in not firing him. However, they weren't about to run to the public and proclaim 'hey a dev cheated, and we for whatever reason, didn't fire him, and now we can't go back and fix our mistake.' No company on Earth would do that. Few companies would've acknowledged Kugu's stolen information. Do you have any idea how easily a company with CCP's rep could've shot down any proof that was being presented by a fugitive hacker? However, in CCP fashion, they spoke to their players, and have taken god knows how much heat for it.
My offer still stands people. For those who don't know, in the middle of the 3000+ post thread on the eve-o forums, I stated that if so many people are so pissed, and quitting, then contract all your assets to me, and send me your isk, and I'll pool it and use it to further enlarge the coalition that's bearing down on BoB (and LV). As My in-box is quite empty (except for my HAML spec IV comp mail), and my wallet hasn't recieved any player donations, it shows me that people either don't actually 'hate BoB' like they claimed, or they aren't quitting. Or they think it's a scam, which tbh, I can understand that, afterall, this IS EVE I made the offer on.
People claimed droves of players would leave due to the 4S incident due to 'CCP racism', which was a bunch of BS, due to the GM who cheated and got fired, and tbh, I think alot of people will accept that t20 fucked up, and give CCP the chance to prove that this isn't going to happen again. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kugu tries to blackmail them, again, and with fake info, knowing that there's alot of people out there who will see his word as Gospel now.
I think after this is all over, CCP will learn from these mistakes and improve drastically as a company.
CCP is insta deleting any negative posts about this topic with forum scripts.
THAT is the true scandal in my opinion. Cover ups and white washing. BIG loss of reputation for CCP.
They are still underestimating the outrage. They are still underestimating the effect this misconduct of devs had on the balance of power in this single shard game. They either know it and intentionally ignore the threat to the game overall. Or they dont know it, which means they are incredibly naive and clueless.
CCP thinks suppressing it on the official forum would make it go away. They underestimate that there are many more websites that continue to cover the topic - and those they cannot censor.
It amazes me how people are acting like Kutsu is some kind of hero. I mean, in every single post of his, he ended it with "Remember, it's your ISK that keeps us working!!" In bold fat letters.
He in the logs published by himself openly tried to blackmail people.
It amazes me how people are acting like Kutsu is some kind of hero. I mean, in every single post of his, he ended it with "Remember, it's your ISK that keeps us working!!" In bold fat letters. He in the logs published by himself openly tried to blackmail people. He has broken several laws in the process. He's pretty much scum.
Frankly, I don't think I care about him either way. The information he developed on the other hand is important.
The fact that CCP would rather give up their integrity than address the issue is telling.
Just another company with lieing as a corporate policy.
the only solution, is for a mass of cancelations of subscriptions.
3 accounts canceled.
F ccp
F their games
F WhiteWolf now that they are part of ccp.
I posted to these forums that ccp had devs helping BoB, and nobody would believe me...now that the truth is out, many still have their head in the sand.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
CCP (well the senior members like Hellmar), after punishing t20 in whatever way, likely realized that they screwed up, and nade a huge mistake in not firing him. However, they weren't about to run to the public and proclaim 'hey a dev cheated, and we for whatever reason, didn't fire him, and now we can't go back and fix our mistake.' No company on Earth would do that. Few companies would've acknowledged Kugu's stolen information. Do you have any idea how easily a company with CCP's rep could've shot down any proof that was being presented by a fugitive hacker? However, in CCP fashion, they spoke to their players, and have taken god knows how much heat for it.
Punished him? All they did was ban his account... Thats like taking money back from thief and say "dont do it again please?". They didn't even "fix" it back then, read this carefully... they left all bpos to rkk after t20 got caught last summer and only removed these now after it got public. T20 apology is like "I am sorry it just happen somehow, now lets put this behind and forget".
this was before this got public but after news got out some devs lost their chars.
Let me quete t20:
So if you find out a dev by accident (I hope for your sake it's an accidental figuring-out of, otherwise if you're actively hunting dev identities, i can only speak for myself, but you'd be on my alts' sh*tlist till the day I die ... ) have the sportmansship to keep it to yourself (confirmed or unconfirmed), consider it a test on the lost art of keeping secrets.
So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level. We don't know more than you do, We don't have GM modules fitted, We petition our losses just the same way you do, we crap our pants when we warp into a gank as much as you crap yours, we curse as much as you do when we lose that newly fitted Tech II Battleship and we certainly curse all the same (if not more) when we're sitting in space with our fighters out and murphy comes along to crash the node.
I think hes last person in eve who should talk about good sportmanship.
There is more in Kugus Blog and CCP is probably going to ignore everything else now on.
Everything the company says is rubbish until they back it up and show they take it seriously by terminating the employment of the wrongdoers. Absent that, it's just PR spin.
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I can tell alot of the hate-filled people here haven't read Hellmar's blog.
CCP did react against t20, and it was in a way that Hellmar would have taken back and redone if he could but the simple fact of the matter is...
CCP cannot fire t20 now without utterly destroying themselves as he was already dealt with in some (less severe than he should've got) way.
The thread on the EVE-Online forums is filled with such nonsense and bullshit that I can sum it up in three words:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
It started out being flooded with Goonswarm and aAa members, who stopped posting (with mains) likely due to them being given a reality check that they are guilty of far more wide-spread cheating than BoB is with t20's actions.
CCP (well the senior members like Hellmar), after punishing t20 in whatever way, likely realized that they screwed up, and nade a huge mistake in not firing him. However, they weren't about to run to the public and proclaim 'hey a dev cheated, and we for whatever reason, didn't fire him, and now we can't go back and fix our mistake.' No company on Earth would do that. Few companies would've acknowledged Kugu's stolen information. Do you have any idea how easily a company with CCP's rep could've shot down any proof that was being presented by a fugitive hacker? However, in CCP fashion, they spoke to their players, and have taken god knows how much heat for it.
My offer still stands people. For those who don't know, in the middle of the 3000+ post thread on the eve-o forums, I stated that if so many people are so pissed, and quitting, then contract all your assets to me, and send me your isk, and I'll pool it and use it to further enlarge the coalition that's bearing down on BoB (and LV). As My in-box is quite empty (except for my HAML spec IV comp mail), and my wallet hasn't recieved any player donations, it shows me that people either don't actually 'hate BoB' like they claimed, or they aren't quitting. Or they think it's a scam, which tbh, I can understand that, afterall, this IS EVE I made the offer on.
People claimed droves of players would leave due to the 4S incident due to 'CCP racism', which was a bunch of BS, due to the GM who cheated and got fired, and tbh, I think alot of people will accept that t20 fucked up, and give CCP the chance to prove that this isn't going to happen again. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kugu tries to blackmail them, again, and with fake info, knowing that there's alot of people out there who will see his word as Gospel now.
I think after this is all over, CCP will learn from these mistakes and improve drastically as a company.
just out of curiousity...
ccp knew about this last july. allowed the t2 bpos (and whatever else t20 had/continued to do cheating) to remain/continue. the ONLY things ccp have confirmed are those things they couldn't deny, it seems. their further investigation seems to involve asking this lad, "hey, you do anything else wrong?" and taking the admitted cheater's word as truth.
now, band of developers' also had their what... capital ship production team exposed as doing a lot of account sharing, which supposedly t20 was in charge of... if that is true, why is band of developers' allowed to keep all their accounts, including the nonshared accounts... that would actually require investigation into bod, wouldn't it? (yes, i know it's band of brothers). but, the investigating pretty much ceased with the token sacrficial lamb, who was probably just given a name change/different avatar.
no tin foil hat needed. where's the proof that anything else has happened? ccp just wants it to go away as a bad memory. nazi-kieron sure isn't doing anything other than quashing any questions/complaints about it, in true nazi fashion.
bleh, whatever. i'm not a lying, stealing, cheating douche offline, doubt i'll be one online... the side you take in this "debate", says a lot about you, the person, imho.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
It was ONE person that shited, not all companie(200 devs) Dont make sence quit the game because of one guy that had his char deleted
you know this, how exactly?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
hope you read what the mmo world has to say about you CCP. your permantly scarred. enjoy the few players you have, even the diehards will leave eventually.
so say we all.
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
I can tell alot of the hate-filled people here haven't read Hellmar's blog.
CCP did react against t20, and it was in a way that Hellmar would have taken back and redone if he could but the simple fact of the matter is...
CCP cannot fire t20 now without utterly destroying themselves as he was already dealt with in some (less severe than he should've got) way.
The thread on the EVE-Online forums is filled with such nonsense and bullshit that I can sum it up in three words:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
It started out being flooded with Goonswarm and aAa members, who stopped posting (with mains) likely due to them being given a reality check that they are guilty of far more wide-spread cheating than BoB is with t20's actions.
CCP (well the senior members like Hellmar), after punishing t20 in whatever way, likely realized that they screwed up, and nade a huge mistake in not firing him. However, they weren't about to run to the public and proclaim 'hey a dev cheated, and we for whatever reason, didn't fire him, and now we can't go back and fix our mistake.' No company on Earth would do that. Few companies would've acknowledged Kugu's stolen information. Do you have any idea how easily a company with CCP's rep could've shot down any proof that was being presented by a fugitive hacker? However, in CCP fashion, they spoke to their players, and have taken god knows how much heat for it.
My offer still stands people. For those who don't know, in the middle of the 3000+ post thread on the eve-o forums, I stated that if so many people are so pissed, and quitting, then contract all your assets to me, and send me your isk, and I'll pool it and use it to further enlarge the coalition that's bearing down on BoB (and LV). As My in-box is quite empty (except for my HAML spec IV comp mail), and my wallet hasn't recieved any player donations, it shows me that people either don't actually 'hate BoB' like they claimed, or they aren't quitting. Or they think it's a scam, which tbh, I can understand that, afterall, this IS EVE I made the offer on.
People claimed droves of players would leave due to the 4S incident due to 'CCP racism', which was a bunch of BS, due to the GM who cheated and got fired, and tbh, I think alot of people will accept that t20 fucked up, and give CCP the chance to prove that this isn't going to happen again. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kugu tries to blackmail them, again, and with fake info, knowing that there's alot of people out there who will see his word as Gospel now.
I think after this is all over, CCP will learn from these mistakes and improve drastically as a company.
just out of curiousity...
ccp knew about this last july. allowed the t2 bpos (and whatever else t20 had/continued to do cheating) to remain/continue. the ONLY things ccp have confirmed are those things they couldn't deny, it seems. their further investigation seems to involve asking this lad, "hey, you do anything else wrong?" and taking the admitted cheater's word as truth.
now, band of developers' also had their what... capital ship production team exposed as doing a lot of account sharing, which supposedly t20 was in charge of... if that is true, why is band of developers' allowed to keep all their accounts, including the nonshared accounts... that would actually require investigation into bod, wouldn't it? (yes, i know it's band of brothers). but, the investigating pretty much ceased with the token sacrficial lamb, who was probably just given a name change/different avatar.
no tin foil hat needed. where's the proof that anything else has happened? ccp just wants it to go away as a bad memory. nazi-kieron sure isn't doing anything other than quashing any questions/complaints about it, in true nazi fashion.
bleh, whatever. i'm not a lying, stealing, cheating douche offline, doubt i'll be one online... the side you take in this "debate", says a lot about you, the person, imho.
Cynonet happened AFTER T20's character was removed from the game, he had no part in that.
(the following is a collection of quotes and requotes from the link above which ends in an answer by the CCP community manager). These incidents are different from the "T20 incident". Have fun Erillion
Three other employees of CCP have been caught violating the company’s rules by playing EveOnline and were reprimanded or lost their jobs as a consequence.
While I am not sure about one of the events, I would guess two of the incidents mentioned involved the GM that was fired last summer for abusing his authority and the volunteer who was removed from ISD and perma banned for breaking the rules the summer before that, both of which were publically announced. Since the article does not go into specifics about the instances, it is impossible to take more than an educated guess.
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Forum misconduct do NOT yield ingame bans - I cant make it anymore clearer than that - apparently that is something people simply cant fathom.
Forum misconduct only yields forum warnings and/or forum bans.
Cuntsugmen tried to blackmail CCP - he admitted that himself - that's why he's been banned. Uhhh buhu big deal a wanted felon got banned for trying to blackmail CCP
And wrong. The EULA specifically states that posting of personal informations ingame or on the forums results in a full account ban.
HOWEVER, that part of the EULA is written by using the word "may", which means as a rule that part is utterly useless, as CCP can decide on that matter however they want and hand out bans or not at their complete leisure, making it a complete farce.
I for one will not be closing any of my acct's at this time or in the foreseeable future either...
This type of misconduct is part of Life..People are People and they are subject to take advantage of their positions from time to time..I am not saying it is or was right to do so however..I also feel CCP's decision to Not terminate the involved Party/Parties is the wrong decision ...However I do not have all the info they do and therefore cannot see it from their point of view...
I'll tell you why I think they did what they did...
(1) Imagine how complicated it would be to track all the items and so on made from this activity?
Not to mention the possibility that there are many other ones we know nothing about...
(2) and then quantify all the effects as well?
(3) Also difficult at best is to prove who knew what and when....
In the end the only way to ensure your playing any game that doesn't involve the chance of someone cheating is to play Solitaire!
And then you better have someone watch you and make sure You don't cheat! LOL!!!
Maybe its only the "final" Point in a row of "celestrial unluck" that happends to them but this game isn't for everyone.
ah and btw if you are plan to Quit the game please be so kind and Drop me a PM here, if you have any reasonable skill characters on it.
Mean 25m SP ++
I am looking for an Alt char. You don't even need to remove all stuff from it
Well, now flame on and get off my Server.
It appears the cowards at CCP have decided to lock the threads about this without bothering to answer to truely pertinent questions.
How was it SirMolle was NOT banned for posting personal information but Kug was.
How was it that T20 wasn't fired, but an earlier GM was.
How was it that the BPO's that T20 spawned stayed in the game after he was supposedly removed.
How is it that there is ZERO consistancy in the enforcempent of their supposed policies.
All this incident shows is the continueing lack of maturity in the gaming industry. Up to now CCP had a good reputation. That they were so willing to just give that away over this is scary.
I never cease to be amazed that company's continue to want to lie to us. That they want to bury the truth when it might make them look bad. That they are so willing to give up all the goodwill they have earned simply because of moral cowardice and an unwillingness to do what is right.
INTEGRITY = It is doing what is right, even when nobody is watching. Sadly CCP seems to have given that up.
They should be truely proud of themselves.
From the moment that the majority of the EVE players don't know anything about the situation says a lot.
My mate who still plays EVE told last Friday to his 50 guildmates of what happened and they didn't had a clue. And they are not the only ones. The 20 of the 100,000 accounts who will actualy close aren't enough to sake CCP. If few thousand players were going to do it, then yes they might wake up because it will bring very negative advertising too.
So until then, the situation will carry on as is because the players are not willing to do anything. Just complaining or ignoring but not doing anything.
CCP did react against t20, and it was in a way that Hellmar would have taken back and redone if he could but the simple fact of the matter is...
CCP cannot fire t20 now without utterly destroying themselves as he was already dealt with in some (less severe than he should've got) way.
The thread on the EVE-Online forums is filled with such nonsense and bullshit that I can sum it up in three words:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
It started out being flooded with Goonswarm and aAa members, who stopped posting (with mains) likely due to them being given a reality check that they are guilty of far more wide-spread cheating than BoB is with t20's actions.
CCP (well the senior members like Hellmar), after punishing t20 in whatever way, likely realized that they screwed up, and nade a huge mistake in not firing him. However, they weren't about to run to the public and proclaim 'hey a dev cheated, and we for whatever reason, didn't fire him, and now we can't go back and fix our mistake.' No company on Earth would do that. Few companies would've acknowledged Kugu's stolen information. Do you have any idea how easily a company with CCP's rep could've shot down any proof that was being presented by a fugitive hacker? However, in CCP fashion, they spoke to their players, and have taken god knows how much heat for it.
My offer still stands people. For those who don't know, in the middle of the 3000+ post thread on the eve-o forums, I stated that if so many people are so pissed, and quitting, then contract all your assets to me, and send me your isk, and I'll pool it and use it to further enlarge the coalition that's bearing down on BoB (and LV). As My in-box is quite empty (except for my HAML spec IV comp mail), and my wallet hasn't recieved any player donations, it shows me that people either don't actually 'hate BoB' like they claimed, or they aren't quitting. Or they think it's a scam, which tbh, I can understand that, afterall, this IS EVE I made the offer on.
People claimed droves of players would leave due to the 4S incident due to 'CCP racism', which was a bunch of BS, due to the GM who cheated and got fired, and tbh, I think alot of people will accept that t20 fucked up, and give CCP the chance to prove that this isn't going to happen again. However I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Kugu tries to blackmail them, again, and with fake info, knowing that there's alot of people out there who will see his word as Gospel now.
I think after this is all over, CCP will learn from these mistakes and improve drastically as a company.
CCP is insta deleting any negative posts about this topic with forum scripts.
THAT is the true scandal in my opinion. Cover ups and white washing. BIG loss of reputation for CCP.
They are still underestimating the outrage. They are still underestimating the effect this misconduct of devs had on the balance of power in this single shard game. They either know it and intentionally ignore the threat to the game overall. Or they dont know it, which means they are incredibly naive and clueless.
CCP thinks suppressing it on the official forum would make it go away. They underestimate that there are many more websites that continue to cover the topic - and those they cannot censor.
This is NOT over yet.
Have fun
Erillion
It amazes me how people are acting like Kutsu is some kind of hero. I mean, in every single post of his, he ended it with "Remember, it's your ISK that keeps us working!!" In bold fat letters.
He in the logs published by himself openly tried to blackmail people.
He has broken several laws in the process.
He's pretty much scum.
Frankly, I don't think I care about him either way. The information he developed on the other hand is important.
The fact that CCP would rather give up their integrity than address the issue is telling.
Just another company with lieing as a corporate policy.
3 accounts canceled.
F ccp
F their games
F WhiteWolf now that they are part of ccp.
I posted to these forums that ccp had devs helping BoB, and nobody would believe me...now that the truth is out, many still have their head in the sand.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Here t20 is preaching about sportmanship and venting how annoyed he was when he lost his chars
this was before this got public but after news got out some devs lost their chars.
Let me quete t20:
I think hes last person in eve who should talk about good sportmanship.
There is more in Kugus Blog and CCP is probably going to ignore everything else now on.
Cheating + Coverups + Censorship - that's what is happening atm.
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just out of curiousity...
ccp knew about this last july. allowed the t2 bpos (and whatever else t20 had/continued to do cheating) to remain/continue. the ONLY things ccp have confirmed are those things they couldn't deny, it seems. their further investigation seems to involve asking this lad, "hey, you do anything else wrong?" and taking the admitted cheater's word as truth.
now, band of developers' also had their what... capital ship production team exposed as doing a lot of account sharing, which supposedly t20 was in charge of... if that is true, why is band of developers' allowed to keep all their accounts, including the nonshared accounts... that would actually require investigation into bod, wouldn't it? (yes, i know it's band of brothers). but, the investigating pretty much ceased with the token sacrficial lamb, who was probably just given a name change/different avatar.
no tin foil hat needed. where's the proof that anything else has happened? ccp just wants it to go away as a bad memory. nazi-kieron sure isn't doing anything other than quashing any questions/complaints about it, in true nazi fashion.
bleh, whatever. i'm not a lying, stealing, cheating douche offline, doubt i'll be one online... the side you take in this "debate", says a lot about you, the person, imho.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
hope you read what the mmo world has to say about you CCP. your permantly scarred. enjoy the few players you have, even the diehards will leave eventually.
so say we all.
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
just out of curiousity...
ccp knew about this last july. allowed the t2 bpos (and whatever else t20 had/continued to do cheating) to remain/continue. the ONLY things ccp have confirmed are those things they couldn't deny, it seems. their further investigation seems to involve asking this lad, "hey, you do anything else wrong?" and taking the admitted cheater's word as truth.
now, band of developers' also had their what... capital ship production team exposed as doing a lot of account sharing, which supposedly t20 was in charge of... if that is true, why is band of developers' allowed to keep all their accounts, including the nonshared accounts... that would actually require investigation into bod, wouldn't it? (yes, i know it's band of brothers). but, the investigating pretty much ceased with the token sacrficial lamb, who was probably just given a name change/different avatar.
no tin foil hat needed. where's the proof that anything else has happened? ccp just wants it to go away as a bad memory. nazi-kieron sure isn't doing anything other than quashing any questions/complaints about it, in true nazi fashion.
bleh, whatever. i'm not a lying, stealing, cheating douche offline, doubt i'll be one online... the side you take in this "debate", says a lot about you, the person, imho.
Cynonet happened AFTER T20's character was removed from the game, he had no part in that.CCP axed another of its developers due to misconduct - very very quietly ... and had to fess up because it was published on an icelandic website.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...=484863&page=7
(the following is a collection of quotes and requotes from the link above which ends in an answer by the CCP community manager). These incidents are different from the "T20 incident".
Have fun
Erillion
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Apparently, there were 3 other incidents that took place back then we never heard about....
http://www.icelandreview.com/iceland..._0_a_id=264532
note where it says:
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Three other employees of CCP have been caught violating the company’s rules by playing EveOnline and were reprimanded or lost their jobs as a consequence.
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While I am not sure about one of the events, I would guess two of the incidents mentioned involved the GM that was fired last summer for abusing his authority and the volunteer who was removed from ISD and perma banned for breaking the rules the summer before that, both of which were publically announced. Since the article does not go into specifics about the instances, it is impossible to take more than an educated guess.
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I keep hearing rumors about a very recent incident, with a Nyx and a GM. Not sure if its true, but if it is, any chance you'd post about that?
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Due to our privacy policy, I an not at liberty to say any more than the Developer (not GM) referenced is no longer with the organization.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online