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BlackjokeBlackjoke Member Posts: 34

i did all the usual research, checked out the NC soft site, watched the 2006 E3 Youtube vids, read this forum, and im wondering why this is so highly hyped? Am i missing something?

 

Before the mindless fanboys jump up and start screaming "You know nothing idiot this game is going to ROXXOR !!!11!!!1!!"  - I didnt say its going to be a bad game.....

But aside from freeflight whats new? NC's site didnt even mention a crafting system, The combat  system is based on western models. The devs said in an IGN interview they want to get away drom the life-sucking asian grinding thing NC soft usually does. Thats nice, i wont play a game thats like work. Nice to see NC soft like many western game company's is finally realizing an endless grind is not what most people call fun. - So its another version of a skill based system then. OK.

But im not excited, at best this is a "B" title, unlike games like Warhammer, EQ2, and WoW wich are examples of a  "A" list  games, even Lineage 2 with its grinding offers more -  they have a crafting system for instance.

The Hype is way beyond what this title deserves, Even the Pirates of the Burning Sea  game offers more originality.

Again, I didnt say its a bad game, never said it sucks, never played it, cant say - But its not top shelf by a long shot !

 

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  • blindsdogblindsdog Member Posts: 4
    I think the main problem is that almost no information has been released. I'm sure its alot more in depth than you think it is. I don't doubt it has a crafting system.
  • stonies88stonies88 Member Posts: 23
    There will be a crafting system, and like the previous poster stated there is very little actually known about game mechanics and such.  More info will be available soon, I can understand your reservations because there isnt alot known.  Just give it some time and as launch/beta get closer we will find out alot more.  If your looking for more Aion related stuff check out some of the fan sites listed under the Links section, MMORPG.com has next to no real info on Aion.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Blackjoke


    i did all the usual research, checked out the NC soft site, watched the 2006 E3 Youtube vids, read this forum, and im wondering why this is so highly hyped? Am i missing something?
     
    Before the mindless fanboys jump up and start screaming "You know nothing idiot this game is going to ROXXOR !!!11!!!1!!"  - I didnt say its going to be a bad game.....
    But aside from freeflight whats new? NC's site didnt even mention a crafting system, The combat  system is based on western models. The devs said in an IGN interview they want to get away drom the life-sucking asian grinding thing NC soft usually does. Thats nice, i wont play a game thats like work. Nice to see NC soft like many western game company's is finally realizing an endless grind is not what most people call fun. - So its another version of a skill based system then. OK.
    But im not excited, at best this is a "B" title, unlike games like Warhammer, EQ2, and WoW wich are examples of a  "A" list  games, even Lineage 2 with its grinding offers more -  they have a crafting system for instance.
    The Hype is way beyond what this title deserves, Even the Pirates of the Burning Sea  game offers more originality.
    Again, I didnt say its a bad game, never said it sucks, never played it, cant say - But its not top shelf by a long shot !
     
    Not everyone cares about such a little thing such as crafting. The combat system is actually not based on western model. its faster and much more pvp focused. It also includes full air combat, and uses a theme that is original, a Demon vs Angelic war. The game world can actually CHANGE, for example, the world can be much darker on one server then on the other, Players will actually have influence on the world. no two servers are the same. If we also include the graphics and the fact its made by NCsoft, I think we can expect an A title.



    You should also stop saying that you did not judge the game's quality on the little information you have. You already claim it will be a B title at best.
  • BlackjokeBlackjoke Member Posts: 34

    2 reply's with "sure it will have a crafting system, just because they dont mention it doesnt mean it wont be there. Clearly NC soft knows what i want and without prompting will deliver my ideal game."

    Faith is fine when dealing with matters of religion but elsewhere i go on evidence. The evidence thus far says this is a niche game like "Dungeon Runners, City of Heroes/villians and Auto Assualt".

    You may not have noticed but with glut of fantasy themed games on the market and with major titles like Warhammer and age of Conan comming out NC soft has changed their approach to making games.  - They are giving the world smaller more specialized titles these days.

     

    The list of features on the game dev page is small, and until they announce an expansion of the features we must assume they will deliver only what they have advertised. It is illogical to assume they will deliver things they never promised just because someone wants it.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Why do you think Ncsoft would change their game because of AoC and Warhammer? do you honnestly believe NCsoft even pays a LITTLE bit of attention to those titles? Corporations will judge their competition on past achievements, and both Dark age of Camelot and Anarchy online have always been small fry compared to NCsoft's titles. Why would NCsoft, which created games that have have reached over 2 million subscribers each, pay attention to corporations with games who haven't even reached 200k subscribers? Big guys don't bother with the small fry such as Warhammer and Age of Conan.
  • BlackjokeBlackjoke Member Posts: 34

    Ok, fine. You dont think Warhammer or AoC is competition. WoW has over 8 Million subscribers it dominates the MMO landscape and makes lineages 3 million subscribers look small in comparison.... Both Warhammer and AoC are trying to be competition to WoW, and at least one will be a major success story.

    Aion is obviously not even in the same catagory as any of the above games, Have you been to their site and seen the feature list? Its only 9 paragraphs long if you include the overview.

    This game is exactly what it appears to be - a niche game like Dungeon runners, City of Heroes/Villians, Auto Assualt, its not intended to be a flagship title like Lineage, WoW, or Warhammer.

    that doesnt mean its a bad game, im not putting it down, cant put it down nobody has played it yet. Im just saying, its not a top tier MMO, its a subclass, an off-shoot, a niche game, a "B" class title. However you want to put it - Its not going to compete for the # 1 market spot, this is a smaller project.

     

    Here's all 9 paragraphs -

    Believe in Angels. Believe in Demons. Believe in Aion™.

    Aion™ is the most visually stunning MMORPG (massively multiplayer online role-playing game) ever made. Cutting-edge graphics redefine your expectations of online role-playing and reveal a world where angels, demons and dragons wage a war that will determine the future of the world.

    Your role in this war is pivotal; every action and decision meaningful and important. Fate rests on your shoulders and you determine the evolution of Aion’s™ story through brutal warfare, brilliant strategy and political power.

    Control and Transform the World

    Aion™ will transform the way you experience new content. You have the power to trigger world-changing events!

    The actions of each player on every individual server will push storylines and quests in new directions. The effect of each unique action will eventually accumulate to trigger new game content such as the opening of new dungeons or the rise of a world completely different to what was there before.

    You will create a distinct history and will have your name forever recorded in fame or in infamy.

    PvPvE

    Other online role-playing games have PvE - player versus environment: fighting computer-controlled monsters and PvP – player versus player: human-controlled characters fighting each other.

    For the first time in the MMORPG genre, Aion™ brings these two game features together in an evolving and seamless system. PvPvE manages the complex relationships and alliances between realms, races and guilds; it also controls the mighty Dragons, a non-player faction and a common enemy to all players, regardless of faction.

    Blending Fantasy and Reality

    Aion™ delivers a new level of graphical detail and world interactivity. Climb sheer cliffs, fly through moving clouds, see water ripple from the downdraft of your own powerful wings and leap gaping chasms. A supremely powerful graphical engine brings the world of your fantasies to life like never before.

    The Music of Aion™

    The best movies and games are driven by spectacular music scores and Aion™ is no different. Kinihiko Ryu – one of the world’s leading composers of movie and television soundtracks is creating incredible music that seamlessly interweaves with on-screen action, setting the mood and creating the perfect atmosphere for your adventures in the world of Aion™.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Blackjoke


    Ok, fine. You dont think Warhammer or AoC is competition. WoW has over 8 Million subscribers it dominates the MMO landscape and makes lineages 3 million subscribers look small in comparison.... Both Warhammer and AoC are trying to be competition to WoW, and at least one will be a major success story.
    Aion is obviously not even in the same catagory as any of the above games, Have you been to their site and seen the feature list? Its only 9 paragraphs long if you include the overview.
    This game is exactly what it appears to be - a niche game like Dungeon runners, City of Heroes/Villians, Auto Assualt, its not intended to be a flagship title like Lineage, WoW, or Warhammer.
    that doesnt mean its a bad game, im not putting it down, cant put it down nobody has played it yet. Im just saying, its not a top tier MMO, its a subclass, an off-shoot, a niche game, a "B" class title. However you want to put it - Its not going to compete for the # 1 market spot, this is a smaller project.
     
    I'm actually surprised how very little research you have done on this title. You do know that Aion is currently the only next-gen MMORPG Ncsoft develops, right? Its going to be their flagship untill Lineage 3, which only started development a while ago. Aion is actually a huge project, designed to reach both a western AND an asian audience, with developers from both sides. Thats why Aion is so incredibly diffrent from Lineage and Lineage 2. if it would be just a niche project, then it wouldn't even have been announced for the west in the first place.



    Saying Aion is a "B-product" or a smaller project is pure ignorance. Just take a quick look at the graphics of Warhammer and Aion. No, Graphics do not say anything about quality, but its clear Aion has received a lot more funding then Warhammer did, also nice to point out is that Aion is trying to break in both the markets, and to my knowledge, Warhammer and AoC are not even going to bother trying to break in the asian market.
  • stonies88stonies88 Member Posts: 23
    NCSoft has been very tight lipped when it has come to info on Aion.  If you only go by the info you find here on MMORPG.com and the NCSoft site then you wont find but a small piece of what is out there.  Also the site pasted from is not the official site, it is not up yet, it will eventually be aiontoe.com.  All that site you copied from is just for general info on NCSoft games.  Your best bet for finding info is by visiting the fan sites, such as Aionsource.com or Aionlib.com, there still isnt all that much but you will find alot more in those places instead of here.  But like I said earlier, if you want more info on Aion you will just have to wait like the rest of us, yes I know it is alittle frustrating but I personally like what I have heard so far about their vision of the game.  Also just a side note, in one interview with one of the producers/devs (I could be wrong since I it was on Aionfuse.com and that site is down at the moment) they stated that they envision both Aion and the Lineage series as eventual flagship games for NCSoft.  So I believe they will be aiming to compete with the likes of WAR and AoC, and these other "A" list games you are talking about.  The only thing we can do is wait for more info, and after there is more you can judge for yourself.
  • AvivahAvivah Member Posts: 4
    Q. Are there skills that are not essentially for combat? Like tradeskills?
    A. We’re planning for about 10 trades professions in all. Tradeskills are very much separate from regular character leveling. Dedicated crafters will find themselves admired in an economic sense. There’s a variety of content planned outside of leveling and tradeskilling. It will definitely not be a game where all you do is hunt mobs and level.
       

    This was taken from a translated interview over at http://www.aionfuse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23
  • Focus*BankaiFocus*Bankai Member Posts: 219
    Originally posted by Avivah





    Q.
    Are there skills that are not essentially for combat? Like tradeskills?


    A.
    We’re planning for about 10 trades professions in all. Tradeskills are very much separate from regular character leveling. Dedicated crafters will find themselves admired in an economic sense. There’s a variety of content planned outside of leveling and tradeskilling. It will definitely not be a game where all you do is hunt mobs and level.


     
     





    This was taken from a translated interview over at http://www.aionfuse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23
    THANK U!!!!! im glad someone actually gave him proof that there will be TRADES in aion. aion will become a great game when people fully understand its potential. a admin on aionlib.com said that they would like to take down those screenshots also because its getting reved up with better graphics and things we havent even seen before so i for one am completely excited about aion. and it will become a A-grade game.
  • Elendil88Elendil88 Member Posts: 35
    Originally posted by blindsdog

    I think the main problem is that almost no information has been released. I'm sure its alot more in depth than you think it is. I don't doubt it has a crafting system.
    Blinds is that actually you?  If you know what the hell I'm talking about when I say "GM help VC!" then I guess it is!!!  And if that rings a bell then possibly the name "CarlWeathers" does as well ;)



    As for Aion, the game will most likely depend on the attraction of Lineage veterans and NC Soft veterans.  Also, I wouldn't say that Aion has as much "hype" at the moment as you're expressing it to have.  To be honest, there quite frankly isn't enough preview content out there to make any educated guesses as to answer your question.  From what I've seen in the videos and screenshots and from what I've read about this game, it definately is a step forward for NCsoft's typical game approach.  We'll just have to see if that's good enough to compete with this year's up and coming MMO trend-setters.
  • AngLouiAngLoui Member Posts: 2

    Hello. I don't know much about Aion, as there is not much to know yet, and already I have fallen for it. The antecipation is killing me and the game is not even finished. I'm not saying it's the best game around, or that it ever will be, I like it, as do many others, but many may dislike it. I am already a player of all Guild Wars, a newborn in L2 world, and a future WOW player, but once it comes out, AION will be my favorite, surely. I'm not stating that you should all love it like me or anything, I'm just nicely asking you to wait until more info is out :) Just...give it a chance, you may be positively surprised when it comes out, or you might be disappointed, but what matters is you experimented it. At the moment, no one has played it yet. It's just like food you think is disgusting: It might look bad, but you'll never know till you try it... And AION looks good, so it's one more extra reason for all of you to be pacient and try it when avaliable, you may like it. So, just... wait and try it when it comes out, before you begin speculating...Like I said, you never know... Per example, I don't care mush if the crafting system exists or not, like in guild wars, I'm more of a graphics and sound person. And considering what I've seen and heard... well... *drool*... It doesn't matter, Love it or Leave it, try it

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  • GuintuGuintu Member UncommonPosts: 320
    Its sci-fi so it'll be fresher than the fantasy stuff out there.  As long as its not to much like Space Cowboy it'll be good, but with NCsofts track record it'll be different and good enough to hype. 
  • joeshmoejoeshmoe Member Posts: 84
    Sci-fi? Angels, demons and dragons sounds more like fantasy to me. Looks good either way, just have to wait and see.
  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Guintu

    Its sci-fi so it'll be fresher than the fantasy stuff out there.  As long as its not to much like Space Cowboy it'll be good, but with NCsofts track record it'll be different and good enough to hype. 
    Its not a sci fi game. its a fantasy game.
  • KharmedKharmed Member Posts: 101
    Well,



    The world will change depending on what each player will do. Also, there will be an EQ2 combo combat system(similar to it) where you may need to know the target to use a certain skill.



    Freeflight is already a major change from any other mmorpg as it was said it will be introduced very early in the game so you won't need to have played 1000+ hours to get to fly.



    Not to mention the graphics which(from the screenshots) look incredible.

    image

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905
    Originally posted by Blackjoke


    i did all the usual research, checked out the NC soft site, watched the 2006 E3 Youtube vids, read this forum, and im wondering why this is so highly hyped? Am i missing something?
     
    Before the mindless fanboys jump up and start screaming "You know nothing idiot this game is going to ROXXOR !!!11!!!1!!"  - I didnt say its going to be a bad game.....
    But aside from freeflight whats new? NC's site didnt even mention a crafting system, The combat  system is based on western models. The devs said in an IGN interview they want to get away drom the life-sucking asian grinding thing NC soft usually does. Thats nice, i wont play a game thats like work. Nice to see NC soft like many western game company's is finally realizing an endless grind is not what most people call fun. - So its another version of a skill based system then. OK.
    But im not excited, at best this is a "B" title, unlike games like Warhammer, EQ2, and WoW wich are examples of a  "A" list  games, even Lineage 2 with its grinding offers more -  they have a crafting system for instance.
    The Hype is way beyond what this title deserves, Even the Pirates of the Burning Sea  game offers more originality.
    Again, I didnt say its a bad game, never said it sucks, never played it, cant say - But its not top shelf by a long shot !
     

    Given the amount of info availible about this game its alittle premature to be making judgements in any way shape or form.

    I do have one question...what hype??? There is no hype whatso ever about this game, theres hardly even any info on it outside of the offical site. Sounds like you pre-judged based on something or another..........now a game like WAR or LotR, now there is hype. Those guys are on a massive hype campaign. Did I miss NCSofts "hype campaign" for this????

    But yes, it is another fantasy based game....we need more of those like we need more nuclear waste. Hopefully Aion pulls off the style of content they claim, thats what is going to make the difference.

    Also what is this "A" title and "B" title stuff? Oh...I don't think EQII is an "A" title by any strech of the imagination. (imagination - the one thing EQII is missing)

    You think Vanguard is an "A" title??? (thats a loaded question by the way)

  • ThrenodyThrenody Member Posts: 54

    Regardless of whether it's just 'another fantasy mmo', Aion is still potentially another viable alternative to the tired games that are out now.  This game has the opportunity to be what Guild Wars/WoW/L2 and some of the other "visually appealing" games out there do not exhibit. 

    Even if it flops, I know I'm going to try it at the very least. 

  • daikonitedaikonite Member Posts: 23
    Hmm, I have to agree that there isn't enough information out there yet to be passing judgment on the game (the official site hasn't even launched yet). But I can try to explain at least why I'm keeping an eye on this one.



    Visually speaking, i tend to prefer asian character/world design. But content-wise, I often feel that there isn't enough originality in such games (erm, I don't mean to offend. I meant only for me). As a player, I'm actually fairly tolerant of grinding, but I do need to have more to the game than just that and some sort of PvP system. Sadly, that's all many games (not just Asian) seem to offer.



    Aion is interesting, because while it has asian-style graphics, it's trying to break out of the usual mold. It promises powerful character customization (this totally does not exist in most asian games), a character action tracking system that will affect individual gameplay, "new modes of leveling" (whatever that means. it hasn't been explained), global consequences to player actions, etc.



    W/o more info, I don't know if any of this will add up to anything. But it's still exciting that I may finally be seeing a game that combines the graphics style I like w/ gameplay that goes beyond grinding + pvp. Oh, and yes, those graphics do look especially shiny in this one.



    PS What the heck is this "A" "B" game talk? Isn't that highly subjective?
  • Darkwav3Darkwav3 Member Posts: 1
    so I saw this topic and couldn't stand it anymore that I wasnt a registered user on mmorpg.com which meant I couldnt post on the forum! :D



    anyway, Aion is being developed in Korea. NCsoft just refuses to bring the information out :) There is actually already quite some information out. I think we can say quite safely that this game will be an A game! This game is getting so much hype becoz of the fact that you will be able to fly freely and pvp in the air, this combined with nice gfx and the developers letting the people know it wont be a grind game like most korean games.



    Another nice thing is: the angels vs demons (player controlled) vs  Dragons (AI controlled)



    and I dunno, if I look at those E3 movies n stuff, then the combat alone is enough to get me to this game ^^ but at the other hand, you might be right that its too early to judge this game
  • AyaseAyase Aion Community CoordinatorMember Posts: 118
    The game is being developed by a proved development team (They brought us Lineage). However, I am sure they learnt a lot from the development of the Lineage games and are intent on bringing things closer to perfection. Aion has a whole lot of innovation going for itself. If we're lucky (I think we will be), we will soon face a true next-gen highly qualitative MMORPG. So just hang in there. It will definitely be worth your wait. I have yet to see a single game in development out there that can hold it's own against Aion :)

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    Community Representative - Aion

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  • Superman0XSuperman0X Member RarePosts: 2,292
    Originally posted by Blackjoke


    Ok, fine. You dont think Warhammer or AoC is competition. WoW has over 8 Million subscribers it dominates the MMO landscape and makes lineages 3 million subscribers look small in comparison.... Both Warhammer and AoC are trying to be competition to WoW, and at least one will be a major success story.
    Aion is obviously not even in the same catagory as any of the above games, Have you been to their site and seen the feature list? Its only 9 paragraphs long if you include the overview.
    This game is exactly what it appears to be - a niche game like Dungeon runners, City of Heroes/Villians, Auto Assualt, its not intended to be a flagship title like Lineage, WoW, or Warhammer.
    that doesnt mean its a bad game, im not putting it down, cant put it down nobody has played it yet. Im just saying, its not a top tier MMO, its a subclass, an off-shoot, a niche game, a "B" class title. However you want to put it - Its not going to compete for the # 1 market spot, this is a smaller project.
     
    Here's all 9 paragraphs -
    PvPvE
    Other online role-playing games have PvE - player versus environment: fighting computer-controlled monsters and PvP – player versus player: human-controlled characters fighting each other.
    For the first time in the MMORPG genre, Aion™ brings these two game features together in an evolving and seamless system. PvPvE manages the complex relationships and alliances between realms, races and guilds; it also controls the mighty Dragons, a non-player faction and a common enemy to all players, regardless of faction.



    I was just reading another thread and saw this:

     Player Vs Player Vs Environment

     

    Other online role-playing games have PvE - player versus environment (fighting computer-controlled monsters) and PvP - player versus player (human-controlled characters) fighting each other. Last Chaos brings these two game features together in an evolving system. PvPvE manages the complex relationships and alliances between races and guilds; and allows players a chance to test out their fighting skills against other players. Last Chaos will continue to work with players to improve the PvPvE features to make the game more exciting and challenging.

     This looks so similar that I had to point it out. 

     lastchaos.aeriagames.com/info/features

    I thought it was interesting to see this as a 'new' feature. It obviosly is already in use in another game.

  • AyaseAyase Aion Community CoordinatorMember Posts: 118
    I am certain that the PvPvE that is coming with Aion is more than what we've seen before. Even if the concept isn't entirely new (not many concepts are these days) I strongly believe it will provide a vast improvement compared to any half hearted attempts that have been made before.



    Bsides, aren't the Yong having something to do with the PvPvE in Aion? I didn't see anything about an entire NPC faction in that link! Now that has to count for something :)



    Edit: Even if the features are both called "PvPvE", don't take for granted that they will actually be the same thing in practice.

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    Community Representative - Aion

    Follow my twitter! aion_ayase
    * In order to cover my back, things I write are of course subject to change.

  • Shadowz544Shadowz544 Member Posts: 7

    The game is gettin the hype it's getting because many ppl see the potiental for this game to be great. The development team is one that has been proven and from what I've seen and heard thus far, it does seem rather good.

    Maybe the PvPvE isn't completely new but I still can't wait to find where ncsoft is gonna go with it. I enjoyed their Guild Wars series although I no longer play. Sadly, it'll still be a while before beta testing will begin.. we'll just have to wait and see.

  • KyoichiKyoichi Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Superman0X

    Originally posted by Blackjoke


    Ok, fine. You dont think Warhammer or AoC is competition. WoW has over 8 Million subscribers it dominates the MMO landscape and makes lineages 3 million subscribers look small in comparison.... Both Warhammer and AoC are trying to be competition to WoW, and at least one will be a major success story.
    Aion is obviously not even in the same catagory as any of the above games, Have you been to their site and seen the feature list? Its only 9 paragraphs long if you include the overview.
    This game is exactly what it appears to be - a niche game like Dungeon runners, City of Heroes/Villians, Auto Assualt, its not intended to be a flagship title like Lineage, WoW, or Warhammer.
    that doesnt mean its a bad game, im not putting it down, cant put it down nobody has played it yet. Im just saying, its not a top tier MMO, its a subclass, an off-shoot, a niche game, a "B" class title. However you want to put it - Its not going to compete for the # 1 market spot, this is a smaller project.
     
    Here's all 9 paragraphs -
    PvPvE
    Other online role-playing games have PvE - player versus environment: fighting computer-controlled monsters and PvP – player versus player: human-controlled characters fighting each other.
    For the first time in the MMORPG genre, Aion™ brings these two game features together in an evolving and seamless system. PvPvE manages the complex relationships and alliances between realms, races and guilds; it also controls the mighty Dragons, a non-player faction and a common enemy to all players, regardless of faction.



    I was just reading another thread and saw this:

     Player Vs Player Vs Environment

     

    Other online role-playing games have PvE - player versus environment (fighting computer-controlled monsters) and PvP - player versus player (human-controlled characters) fighting each other. Last Chaos brings these two game features together in an evolving system. PvPvE manages the complex relationships and alliances between races and guilds; and allows players a chance to test out their fighting skills against other players. Last Chaos will continue to work with players to improve the PvPvE features to make the game more exciting and challenging.

     This looks so similar that I had to point it out. 

     lastchaos.aeriagames.com/info/features

    I thought it was interesting to see this as a 'new' feature. It obviosly is already in use in another game.

    Not really.. Last Chaos doesn't have that "the mighty Dragons, a non-player faction and a common enemy to all players, regardless of faction. " Beside, while PVP dragon could be your allies or enemies :) *no one could predict wat would the dragon do tho*

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