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  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910
    A lot of people don't like to talk about buying gold. My guess is that they bought gold BECAUSE they are casual players. This game is tough. You have known them for 3 years in an online game? You don't know them that well honestly. Think about it. If Sigil banned them it was for a good reason. They bought gold and got kicked out and now, embarrassed, claim they did not do anything. I'd bet MY account on that.

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    I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.

  • dunaduriumdunadurium Member Posts: 257

     

    Actually i think sigil is handling this very well. The suspension DOES NOT mean a ban. They are just suspended while they get investigated. This is from the tech forums for those lacking the energy to click a link in order to properly inform themslves of what their posting about:

     

    Originally posted by Narkel on tech forums: 

    post 1

     


     



    ok here is the reply I got about my account and I am willing to bet its the same issue with you all







    "Your Vanguard Account Access has been suspended pending investigation review into the amount of coin you have on your character or characters.  I hope you can appreciate the fact that we value the integrity of our economy, and are questioning characters that seem extremely out of place in regards to their finances on servers.  If you can reply to us with an explanation of your extremely high amount of coin, we will investigate this matter and release the account back to you shortly."

    Well my custom UI that I use is buggy and I cant bank coin with it so I mail it to a lvl one alt (only 9g I have btw) so I dont lose it when I killed by people on my pvp server...needless to say this is complete crap..UNLOCK MY ACCOUNT NOW!

    post2I just emailed them at vgaccounts@sigilgames.com about my situation and replied to the email i got and just recieved a new one saying





    Thank you for your rapid response in this matter.  We are well aware of

    the situations on the PvP server and can take care of this very fast

    with the following information.



    Your primary character name, and account. (PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE

    PASSWORD)

    Your secondary character name, and account. (AGAIN NO PASSWORDS)

    And another saying



    Once I run the investigation I will be able to see what happened, and

    let you back in.  This investigation should not take too long.

    At least they are being somewhat quick about it



    post3



    The initial response took awhile but the ones after were pretty fast..like 5-10 minutes

     



    Also, becuase im feeling lazy, here are a few posts i highly agree with:

      DarkProdigyX:i find it funny.



    a few days ago i see complaints about on the leader boards all level 1 characters were the richest and how everyone felt it was gold sellers.



    Now they are actually trying to do something about it. And you alll *bleep* and moan. Its a never ending cycle with you guys. No matter what they do you will not be happy.





    Look at FFXI for an example. That game was killed by gil sellers, for the ones that don't know gil is the currency in the game. But it was overrun by gil sellers, and the only answer SE gave was "We will look into it" and thats it, nothing was ever done and the problem got so bad it was impossibly to buy equipment that was actually decent.



    Now i know your all pissed right now because it was you who was suspended, but think about it. How many gold sellers would they miss if they did the whole "We will look into it method" this way actually puts them on the spot, and may help the situation of gold sellers.



    I am sure they will apologize to every legit player, and maybe, doubtful, but maybe after saying sorry they will compensate you guys. Actually thats a good idea. COMPENSATE the wrongly accused.





    Skyy:

    6-10g on a level 1 character is suspicious. Gold farmers always offload money from low level alts. Why? So as not to incriminate the higher level character which is farming. So simply put, if your guild bank is a level 1 alt, be prepared to have it be investigated from time to time. So long as you and your guildies remain legit, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

    Honestly, I'm glad they are doing this so early. The point is, nobody has 10 billion plats right now, 6-10g or more is a lot of money currently, for a level 1 alt. I hope Sigil pursues this with a vengeance, not only so as to squelch the gold farmers, but to discourage them from ever returning. Luckily, this game is already a much larger grind to reach the *uber* levels than say WoW was. So in that case, farmers are already a bit offed. So either VG powerleveling and gold services will be WAY overpriced, or the farmers will have to close up shop. Personally, I hope for the latter.

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  • MLecl0001MLecl0001 Member Posts: 153
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    A lot of people don't like to talk about buying gold. My guess is that they bought gold BECAUSE they are casual players. This game is tough. You have known them for 3 years in an online game? You don't know them that well honestly. Think about it. If Sigil banned them it was for a good reason. They bought gold and got kicked out and now, embarrassed, claim they did not do anything. I'd bet MY account on that.
    Oh yes because Sigil is always correct, and because Sigil never makes mistakes.

    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777

    You know, this wouldn't annoy me so much if the game was up to snuff, but as it sits now, my opinion is that they have more to worry about than whether or not a level one character should have 5 gold.  I certainly hope that they are faster with their investigations than they are at answering petitions. 

    It seems like a poor move on Sigil's part to continue to piss off the player base, especially with some good games set to release in the near future.  They've really done a bang up job in less than three weeks after release.

    Vanguard --- Love the game, hate the game company.

  • PoldanoPoldano Member Posts: 244

    I got an IN-GAME mail from a gold seller yesterday! The character name was "mailman".

    I wonder if accounts are being hijacked to spam or to launder purchases.

    For that matter, it's trivially easy to maliciously mail things to someone in-game that you don't like, using a throwaway character on a buddy-key account..

     Edit:

    This happened to me on Florendyl. I checked into station players, and the character named "Mailman" there is suspicious: L1 disciple, L1 crafter. Two servers have characters named "Mailman" that look legitimate.

     

  • TommyKHartTommyKHart Member UncommonPosts: 294
    Originally posted by Deathstrike2


    You know, this wouldn't annoy me so much if the game was up to snuff, but as it sits now, my opinion is that they have more to worry about than whether or not a level one character should have 5 gold.  I certainly hope that they are faster with their investigations than they are at answering petitions. 
    It seems like a poor move on Sigil's part to continue to piss off the player base, especially with some good games set to release in the near future.  They've really done a bang up job in less than three weeks after release.
    Vanguard --- Love the game, hate the game company.

     

    Did they ban you? If not why do you care? Ever given money to the homeless guy sitting on the road? Do you care that sigil are banning low level characters with way to much gold on them or just looking for something to moan about?

     

     

     

  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509
    Originally posted by Amathe

    Originally posted by shae


     They are at best casual players who are completely more concerend with Role Playing then they are with leveling.



    And yet their pockets are stuffed with gold.

    Every banned account has a sob story on how they were clean as the driven snow. Ban the cheaters!



    I want to make this clear, their actually wasn't that much coin on these accounts. While I don't know everyone's bank balance, when I got home last night I did speak to one of the girls from one of the couples on our vent server and she told me that between the two of them they had a collected around 19 Gold, were both level 16 in adventuring (one is a warrior and another a shamman) and both lvl 26 crafters.

    For two people that's not all that much?

    As it stands now, any support any of these people are getting is absolultely none existent. They cannot log on to their characters, SOE Support is not returning any Email in regards to the issue, basically it's a stand still. The only response anyone has gotten from live support or otherwise has been the standard: "We do not comment on....blah blah blah".

    20 + of us, both from the guild and just players that have made friends with these people, have writen to SOE/Sigil hoping that they will at least take the time to look at the accounts properly but unfortunately it seems that most of them don't even want to come back now.

    Anyways, all this seems a little crazy to me and has left a completely sour taste in my mouth for this game.

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540
    Originally posted by shae

    Originally posted by Amathe

    Originally posted by shae


     They are at best casual players who are completely more concerend with Role Playing then they are with leveling.



    And yet their pockets are stuffed with gold.

    Every banned account has a sob story on how they were clean as the driven snow. Ban the cheaters!



    I want to make this clear, their actually wasn't that much coin on these accounts. While I don't know everyone's bank balance, when I got home last night I did speak to one of the girls from one of the couples on our vent server and she told me that between the two of them they had a collected around 19 Gold, were both level 16 in adventuring (one is a warrior and another a shamman) and both lvl 26 crafters.

    For two people that's not all that much?

    As it stands now, any support any of these people are getting is absolultely none existent. They cannot log on to their characters, SOE Support is not returning any Email in regards to the issue, basically it's a stand still. The only response anyone has gotten from live support or otherwise has been the standard: "We do not comment on....blah blah blah".

    20 + of us, both from the guild and just players that have made friends with these people, have writen to SOE/Sigil hoping that they will at least take the time to look at the accounts properly but unfortunately it seems that most of them don't even want to come back now.

    Anyways, all this seems a little crazy to me and has left a completely sour taste in my mouth for this game.


    how the hell did they get that much gold... i have 10 silver and i am lvl 12, and i seel every loot i get and stuff like that, 16 gold seems like a lot to have at lvl 16

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • gamer1968gamer1968 Member Posts: 16
    I have to throw in my 2c.  I dont like gold sellers it destroys in game economies we all know that.  I find it hypocritical that SoE will suspend accounts for gold buying in one game and advocate gold selling in another (EQ2). 
  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540
    soe is not, sigil is, and you will get banned if you get caught buying 3rd party goods that are not on the station, it just happened to 20,000 accounts like 2 months ago.
    Originally posted by gamer1968

    I have to throw in my 2c.  I dont like gold sellers it destroys in game economies we all know that.  I find it hypocritical that SoE will suspend accounts for gold buying in one game and advocate gold selling in another (EQ2). 

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540
    Originally posted by boognish75

    soe is not, sigil is, and you will get banned if you get caught buying 3rd party goods that are not on the station, it just happened to 20,000 accounts like 2 months ago.Originally posted by gamer1968

    I have to throw in my 2c.  I dont like gold sellers it destroys in game economies we all know that.  I find it hypocritical that SoE will suspend accounts for gold buying in one game and advocate gold selling in another (EQ2). 


    sorry for double posting , but i wanted to add that in eq2 out of the 15 or so servers 2 of them are the station exchange servers, not all of eq2 is station exchanged.

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777
    Originally posted by thomas.hart

    Originally posted by Deathstrike2


    You know, this wouldn't annoy me so much if the game was up to snuff, but as it sits now, my opinion is that they have more to worry about than whether or not a level one character should have 5 gold.  I certainly hope that they are faster with their investigations than they are at answering petitions. 
    It seems like a poor move on Sigil's part to continue to piss off the player base, especially with some good games set to release in the near future.  They've really done a bang up job in less than three weeks after release.
    Vanguard --- Love the game, hate the game company.

     

    Did they ban you? If not why do you care? Ever given money to the homeless guy sitting on the road? Do you care that sigil are banning low level characters with way to much gold on them or just looking for something to moan about?



    No, I didn't get banned. 

    Why do I care?  Because I would hate to put time and effort in this game just to get unjustly banned down the road.  If it's happening to other people, it could happen to me, and that's a problem. 

    I have never given money to homeless people, but I have given them food. 

    No I'm not looking for something to moan about, I'm just concerned and this is a public forum used to talk about concerns related to Vanguard.

    There, now that I've answered your questions, let me ask you one:  Do you have anything constructive to add to this conversation or are you just being a dick?

  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    Originally posted by Lidane

    Originally posted by MX13



    4) Griefing. Some MUCH higher Level Toons have been camping Low Level Dungeons for Loot, not allowing some to finish thier Quest Requirements. I've seen this myself.


    For what it's worth, this is precisely why instanced dungeons are a good thing. When your group goes in, they're the only ones who will be getting the particular quest requirements and/or loot that might spawn while there. This prevents the high level player from being a jackass by keeping lower level players from advancing.



    Sure, a lot of the "uber-hardcore" gamers don't like instanced dungeons, but at the same time, instances ensure that this sort of griefing is eliminated entirely, so in the long run, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    low level lot isnt worth much though and low level characters dont have the money to pay much for them anyways , myself am making pretty good coin just doing work orders and making weapons for the AH. Am level 12 i have my first horse , all the armor and bags and a pretty good chunk of change in my wallet cause thats my thing , making money and if i get hasseled even once for it am gone so fast they wont even know i was one of there customers lol
  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    Originally posted by boognish75

    Originally posted by shae

    Originally posted by Amathe

    Originally posted by shae


     They are at best casual players who are completely more concerend with Role Playing then they are with leveling.



    And yet their pockets are stuffed with gold.

    Every banned account has a sob story on how they were clean as the driven snow. Ban the cheaters!



    I want to make this clear, their actually wasn't that much coin on these accounts. While I don't know everyone's bank balance, when I got home last night I did speak to one of the girls from one of the couples on our vent server and she told me that between the two of them they had a collected around 19 Gold, were both level 16 in adventuring (one is a warrior and another a shamman) and both lvl 26 crafters.

    For two people that's not all that much?

    As it stands now, any support any of these people are getting is absolultely none existent. They cannot log on to their characters, SOE Support is not returning any Email in regards to the issue, basically it's a stand still. The only response anyone has gotten from live support or otherwise has been the standard: "We do not comment on....blah blah blah".

    20 + of us, both from the guild and just players that have made friends with these people, have writen to SOE/Sigil hoping that they will at least take the time to look at the accounts properly but unfortunately it seems that most of them don't even want to come back now.

    Anyways, all this seems a little crazy to me and has left a completely sour taste in my mouth for this game.


    how the hell did they get that much gold... i have 10 silver and i am lvl 12, and i seel every loot i get and stuff like that, 16 gold seems like a lot to have at lvl 16

    They do crafting , you can sit and do work orders all day and really they pay alot more than what you will make out adventuring by far , and you dont gain any xp the highest blacksmith on my server is 26 i think but the guy is still level one and i bet forsure he has 10 gold easy from doing work orders
  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509
    Originally posted by boognish75



    how the hell did they get that much gold... i have 10 silver and i am lvl 12, and i seel every loot i get and stuff like that, 16 gold seems like a lot to have at lvl 16



    Crafting, selling, between two people, it's really not alot.

    My Blood Mage is lvl 33 now and I have 24 or so gold on her right now and I've never gone out of my way to make any sort of coin whatsoever.

    If your going to base player bannings on the amount of gold or the level they might be, you might as well lay out an exact plan as to where we should be, how much we should have at any given point. That way none of that just simply enjoy the game and play it decently well don't step out of bounds and get ourselves suspended....

    So much for "Setting yourself free" I suppose.

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    A lot of people don't like to talk about buying gold. My guess is that they bought gold BECAUSE they are casual players. This game is tough. You have known them for 3 years in an online game? You don't know them that well honestly. Think about it. If Sigil banned them it was for a good reason. They bought gold and got kicked out and now, embarrassed, claim they did not do anything. I'd bet MY account on that.



    You might be right or wrong but come on the game is 2 weeks old and your saying the game is that "tough"? Thats not a tough economy if 2 weeks in there is mass gold buying going on, its broken. No, something isn't quite right with the way this is being handled.

    Umbrooded pretty much sums up the heart of the problem here, what is right and what is wrong???? The poor guy doesn't know what to do with his cash out of FEAR for reprisal. Broken game, broken adminstation.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Originally posted by Umbrooded

    Allthough I do not have 20 gold I am fairly close and I am 14 Adventure 12 crafter.

    Should I take precautions?

    I mean giving the gold away to friends who have decided to stay could mean I got them banned, I would not want that.

    ________________________________________________________________

  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489
    Originally posted by smg77

    Originally posted by MX13

    Originally posted by smg77

    Originally posted by MX13



    4) Griefing. Some MUCH higher Level Toons have been camping Low Level Dungeons for Loot, not allowing some to finish thier Quest Requirements. I've seen this myself. There are other Griefing actions I've seen as well, such as Scamming Coin on Sale Items, which someone did to a friend of mine.
    This absolutely cracks me up. What did they expect would happen by not making these instanced dungeons? OMG this game gets lamer and lamer every day.It happens in EVERY game. At least Sigil gives a damn.



    It doesn't happen in games with instanced dungeons. Maybe Sigil didn't know how to code them... Actually, the only game it doesn't happen in is DDO, where ALL quest NPC are in instances....

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489
    Originally posted by shae

    Originally posted by Amathe

    Originally posted by shae


     They are at best casual players who are completely more concerend with Role Playing then they are with leveling.



    And yet their pockets are stuffed with gold.

    Every banned account has a sob story on how they were clean as the driven snow. Ban the cheaters!



    I want to make this clear, their actually wasn't that much coin on these accounts. While I don't know everyone's bank balance, when I got home last night I did speak to one of the girls from one of the couples on our vent server and she told me that between the two of them they had a collected around 19 Gold, were both level 16 in adventuring (one is a warrior and another a shamman) and both lvl 26 crafters.

    For two people that's not all that much?

    As it stands now, any support any of these people are getting is absolultely none existent. They cannot log on to their characters, SOE Support is not returning any Email in regards to the issue, basically it's a stand still. The only response anyone has gotten from live support or otherwise has been the standard: "We do not comment on....blah blah blah".

    20 + of us, both from the guild and just players that have made friends with these people, have writen to SOE/Sigil hoping that they will at least take the time to look at the accounts properly but unfortunately it seems that most of them don't even want to come back now.

    Anyways, all this seems a little crazy to me and has left a completely sour taste in my mouth for this game.


    19 Gold is a TON of Gold, especially if they are keeping it on one toon. At those levels, about 5 Gold each should be thier max. That's why this has happened to them. If they are legit, I hope it gets sorted out for them. Good Luck!

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • sniper48101sniper48101 Member Posts: 93
    Like I've said before. I will not ever take some joe-blows sob story of "unfairly banned" anymore. I've seen this movie so many damn times. It almost always (at least 99% of the time) end up being a lie. Sorry but I'm backing the company on this. Ban away.



    If it happens to me I'll do as requested and explain my situation. I will do my part to keep those GD gold farming scumbags out of VG.  Before anyone has some dumb little comment about this for me, know this.... I've heard it before a thousand times. Kinda like the sob story about "My friend has a friend who dated a guy who was unjustly banned! I hate _______ game. This game sucks!" Bunch of cry baby broken records.



    p.s. Not directed at any one individual. All comments are the opinion of me and not of mmorpg.com. If your feelings was hurt....lol. Be a man.
  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910
    Originally posted by Torak

    Thats not a tough economy if 2 weeks in there is mass gold buying going on, its broken. 


    Yeah, that's why 1 gold costs over $22.00 dollars. You must be joking.

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    I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.

  • DabbleDabble Member Posts: 1,043


    Originally posted by thomas.hart

    I just read on tenton from a offical sigil guy that the reason there suspending (not banning) accounts is because they have more gold than seems visable for there lvl. There not banned there just suspending to investigate there accounts. There probally ppl with 20+ gold and arn't that high lvl.



    that is just horrible!! to suspend people without proof or evidence?!!

    Now I know for SURE that I will not be buying this game.

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    Originally posted by Dabble


     

    Originally posted by thomas.hart
     
    I just read on tenton from a offical sigil guy that the reason there suspending (not banning) accounts is because they have more gold than seems visable for there lvl. There not banned there just suspending to investigate there accounts. There probally ppl with 20+ gold and arn't that high lvl.

     



    that is just horrible!! to suspend people without proof or evidence?!!

    Now I know for SURE that I will not be buying this game.

    Be honest, you were never going to even if it was perfect. See post history.

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  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936
    Now, if it's true that several folks have been banned because they have actual gold in their account that they claim they have earned by way of crafting, well actually does sound like a legal issue here.  Crafting is well within the realm of roleplay.  I can't count how many people I have either met or have read in forums that they play mainly for the challenge of crafting itself.  Crafting items for profit sounds to me like it's well inside the EULA of Vanguard.



    Our society tends to "kneejerk" after a period of unfortunate misfortune.  Here we have a case where a company wants to do the correct thing.  Keep those botters out!  I like that.  However, caution also must applied as well.  Many, if not most of the initial players are Americans.  MMO's create their own economies.  There is sociological as well as psychological ramifications for economic growth and development.  It's the backbone of the game.  If we, as gamers, are to be closely scrutinized for gaming infractions each time we log to craft and sell items, then where is the freedom here? Americans are quite keen on "free market/free enterprise" systems. Botters can and most often do cause a great imbalance of gaming economy simply due to their corporate numbers.  Simply look at Lineage 2 and what happened within the first year of their American debut.  Now, it's basically a fact of life to have to find an outside source of game money to make purchases of "big ticket" items.  Therefore, we ALL should be vigilant, but NOT vigilante. By this, I mean, do not jump to a conclusion simply because someone worked their bum off crafting and made sales of items and is storing their money.  Most of us that have played MMO's have seen what farming bots look like and how they perform in-game.  This is what the GM's of Vanguard server need to be scrutinizing.  I support taking action, but with a modicum of restraint.  Please show proof before banning accounts.  Show evidence as some folks may use what they have crafted as evidence of "clean play".



    I for one, will now begin taking snaps of my crafting events. SIGH..what a pain to have to do, but if I ever get banned because I was roleplaying as a crafter attempting to make his wealth as an outfitter.  I shall protect my gaming right to make wealth and hold wealth.  If I need to hire a legal expert to defend that right, then it must occur.  Hopefully, these things will and have been straightened out and I won't have to worry about creating wealth in-game. 

    All I want is the truth
    Just gimme some truth
    John Lennon

  • DabbleDabble Member Posts: 1,043
    Originally posted by MX13


    3) Gold Farming. There are some groups that are Farming Gold. Not all are selling it though, and this seems to be the main issue. I myself know of someone who was Banned for Farming Work-Orders for Coin (which pay EXTREAMLY well as you go higher). They were a fairly advanced Crafing Level and got there doing NOTHING but Work-Orders. They had only basic Clothes, made no other items, were Harvesting Level 50 (VERY low) & were Combat Level 5. They also had almost NO Coin in thier Bank, meaning they were transfering it to someone else, from what I heard.

    Well I am confused.  Are you saying that SOE disallows the practice of farming for gold?  Are you suggesting that unless you obtain gold incidently (quest rewards, retrieving it from mobs that involve a quest, ect.) you can be suspended?  If so....

    Is it also illegal to farm xp?  Or do you have to only kill mobs that are part of a quest chain? 

    I understand the importance of protecting ingame economies, but these policies seem so convulted and ridiculos......

    I just don't know what to say about this one.

  • random11random11 Member UncommonPosts: 765
    The logic is pretty straight forward here, classic case of cause and effect.



    Majorly bugged game >>> exploits. I mean really, it's not the ethical issue, I report many exploits I find, because I enjoy being damn good in an MMO without exploits, especially in PvP, I mean what is a victory if it's cheated, and the cheater knows it's cheated... but I'm not like most, so more bugs, more exploits.



    Game design flaws >>> lv 1 X lv 50 crafters. You see my point, this is not a bug, it's a design flaw. I for example have the urge to be overitemized for my level. I don't care for XP much as long as I am/can : popular, lead my guild, beat 75%+ in PvP, and have tons of money, yes, I like to be filthy rich over being top level. Comon guys, game economy is not that hard to understand, once you get the feel for the market you can pull off anything. Most MMOs I made 70-80% of my money reselling, it's a fine art, once mastered you can get very rich. All you have to do is get that first real good item, and if you are wise, you are set off in any MMO.



    VG is hardcore, because it takes up time, not because it is hard.



    Sub suspension: it's all about cash, cash, cash. When your friends get their accounts back (meaning if they do, they're OK) count the days it took, and see if they get free play time, after the 30 days are off. If a company cheats even 5 hours from potential play time, it's a cheat, rather pointing at the legal side, not the ethical side.



    Seems I left the game in time ...
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