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VanGRIND. Honest. Unless long grinds make you feel good about yourself ...
_Jord_
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... don't buy this game.
I just cancelled my subscription after 12 RL days, almost 5 days /played, about 130 headaches due to bugs and lag on my high-end system, tedious crafting and a population of generally nice people who are deluded into thinking that anything that takes a long time makes a game fun.
The crafting, while good in concept, becomes a HUGE grind as early as crafting level 5-6. The process, which seems like fun when you're doing the tutorial, becomes SO slow and tedious when even the most basic craft takes a number of steps, which after the first couple times you do it are thoughtless clicks. Complications aren't interesting, either.
The adventuring at low levels (1-15?) is decent, with plenty of solo quests and group quests. You can get a few quests, go do them, find a group while you're there, complete them, and level. This is very deceiving - it is just enough to have lowbies RAVING about the game before they know what they're actually getting into.
As you get into the late teens and especially early 20s, you become forced to basically find a group and GRIND to level. There are missives and a few quests to speed things up, but the general consensus is that a solid group grinding 3-4* mobs is the best (and only) way to go. Even w/ a perfect party, you can grind all night and the progress is SO slow.
I have to post this to save people from the vanboys. I bought this game because so many people were raving about it ... MMOs have evolved away from the EQ1 days for a good reason. If you REALLY miss EQ1 - with the grind and the more grind and the even more grind - then this game is for you. If you don't want to grind for the next year just to experience this not-very-unique game's non-existant end-game, dont buy this game.
That is all.
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
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(The people in the game are actually very nice ... so I gave my guild my stuff)
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
Thanks for your honest look at VG, it's all true.
I found the game becoming tedious at over lvl 10 personally. It's bad because the game gives a false impression at the start, where you can solo at the beginning up to 10-15ish. You're right about the copious amounts of boring grinding. I truly thought VG would be a little more imaginative in the quest department too because right now its the same old bloody kill x number of creatures all day. The death system too harsh and also more complicated then it should be. "Third Generation MMORPG"? Honestly, hell no, not right now at the very least until they work on some pretty big changes.
It's not wow
It's about the journey not the end game. I agree with you on te whole crafting thing. The whole compication thing pees me off. I just can't be bothered with crafting. I'm a diplomacy man and enjoying that. If all you think about is getting to the next lvl you will want to leave. There are so many places to go and see. Go out and explore. Just try to stop thinking about lvling up all the time.
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It was too hard for you ! So sad..boo hoo...you can't reach max level in a month... =(
why would anyone who actually enjoyed playing vanguard, exit the game to come to these forums to talk it up, unless they were bored of it?
can someone explain this?
if you have played vanguard you are either
1- enjoying a brand new game
2- pissed and hating it, and thus complaining on forums.
so what the hell are people who say they like the game doing on forums, unless they are bored of the game? please explain?
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
Well its certainly different strokes because I find crafting anything but a grind. In fact if I treat is as a grind and just button mash I tend to get basically nowhere.
Crafting requires concentration and a certain amount of skill. If you dont pay attention to your abilities when making something you will do a lot worse than if you do. What I mean is you need to keep in mind what your toon is capable of when making a new item. If you can make moderates to QL(B) then it helps you to formulate a strategy for a new recipe. If you dont do this you wont maximise your gains.
As for combat..... Im not going to argue, its traditional MMO combat with only a few little additions. If you were already sick of another fantasy MMO then coming to VG is going to feel like a LOT more of the same for you.
Thats one of the main reasons I have done basically nothing but craft, Im kind of hoping that there will be more dungeons and stuff available by the time I max my tailoring so leveling up my adventure skills will be a bit more interesting.
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
I bought this to try to get away from WoW for a bit. I was looking for something with a more "epic" feel.
However - the world, while beautiful, is EMPTY. Everywhere I go, I'm left feeling like I'm seeing another beautifully rendered scene - but I'm looking for a game, not a nature show. There is little that distinguishes the zones (at least the ones I've been to by L24) from each other.
I don't want to rush to an end-game. That's not what it's about to me ... what I'm saying is that this game feels like an endless grind in terms of adventuring levels and crafting levels (I admit I haven't gone far in Diplomacy, but that's a CCG, not an MMO). Progress is what drives players in MMOs to continue.
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
People's playstyles are different. =P
Personally I actually don't care about levelling max level a.s.a.p. It's the content I'm more worried about the, quests, which are so boring at the moment. There is virtually zero imagination in them. You'd think for a "third generation mmorpg" they'd improve on such an important aspect wouldn't they?
People's playstyles are different. =P
Personally I actually don't care about levelling max level a.s.a.p. It's the content I'm more worried about the, quests, which are so boring at the moment. There is virtually zero imagination in them. You'd think for a "third generation mmorpg" they'd improve on such an important aspect wouldn't they?
Have to agree with you here, the quests could use some work. I havn't really felt the need to quest often tho, I've been getting most of my levels by running to an interesting place on the map and adventureng. =P
If you wrap your self-esteem up into your ability to grind, you're sorely mislead.
Finally - I dont want max level in a month. I was a steady and meaningful trip from a young L1 to the top. I dont' care if it takes a month or a year - as long as it's VERY interesting, fun and enjoyable.
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any level 40+ yet, and hey, some people don't have to work for a living. I personally am an altoholic-I have 7 characters already and the highest is level 12. I just really enjoy checking out the different classes and races until I find one I like best. Funny thing is, I usually revert back to the first one I picked as my main.
Anyway I appreciate that Vanguard takes longer than (insert name of mcdonalds style mmo here) to level.
Be Warned !!! this is no lie !! Vanguard is a lie !!!
down with it i say down !!! death to SoE & Sigil for the lies!!.
ah no but seriously yea i just canceld my account there today i hadnt had the best experiance at the start with it but managed to get it in a playable stat got to lvl 16 and its basicly a grind the entire way.
Now im not going to complete say this game is a shame it does really need a lot of work so it does have great potential il give it that .The lagg is awfull i dread meeting people new people as it F**ks me up with lagg and low fps, mobs disapear and still attacks leaving you dead and having one anoying corpse retrieval to do. And the community isnt the best either ive come across meny an asshole on the eu servers and boy did they smell of poo.
But for anyone reading if your looking for something new and original this isnt it pass it by and come back in a SEVERAL months as this game is far from playable even the starting area quests and mobs are bugged.
also on a side note , for a game thats been released in this state they do not update it at all ive been playing for a week or so now and there hasnt been one bug fix or anything.
Actually, it does. Name one way you can make something more difficult that does not, at it's base level translate directly to time. I will be here to explain to you how it indeed does equal time.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any level 40+ yet, and hey, some people don't have to work for a living. I personally am an altoholic-I have 7 characters already and the highest is level 12. I just really enjoy checking out the different classes and races until I find one I like best. Funny thing is, I usually revert back to the first one I picked as my main.
Anyway I appreciate that Vanguard takes longer than (insert name of mcdonalds style mmo here) to level.
check vgplayers site for player levels ie : http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/characters.vm?characterId=51539654162 just one of many 40+ players
To the OP. Thanks for your own impression of VG. I'm now lvl 15 bard, 10 blacksmith and 53 diplomat... my and my 17 guild mates feel that this game will be THE game.... we are there for the long run.
Sure, it's not heaven ATM. Bugs here and there... annoyance. At lvl 15, i still have PLENTY of quest to do and they don't feel like grinding to me. Sure, you can grind. that is your option. If you want grinding with little meaning, you can do missives.
Thanks for your post!!
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In future LISTEN to the posters on mmorpg.com before you dismiss them as Haters. People were warning others about Vanguards issues weeks before it went retail.
If there are mass posters saying "VANGUARD IS BAD" its a good idea to take the benefit of the doubt, and wait to trial it.
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Actually, it does. Name one way you can make something more difficult that does not, at it's base level translate directly to time. I will be here to explain to you how it indeed does equal time.
Level higher than 12 - try 25 - and report back to let us know what you think.
I'm not trying to criticize you - but you really need to try it. You'll see what I'm talking about.
The grind goes from "interesting and fun" from about L1 - L13 to "somewhat boring but still enjoyable" from L14-20 to "is this a free Korean MMO or something GRIND" at L20+.
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
People's playstyles are different. =P
Personally I actually don't care about levelling max level a.s.a.p. It's the content I'm more worried about the, quests, which are so boring at the moment. There is virtually zero imagination in them. You'd think for a "third generation mmorpg" they'd improve on such an important aspect wouldn't they?
I agree, quests aren't quests. I see them as task or "hey, check this place, that is where you are gonna hunt for a while" kinda thing.ToD is a prime example. It starts with stuff outside, then a bit more close, and so on... You basically finish inside fighting the boss.
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