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The Mythical Grind
MX13
Member Posts: 2,489
Here's the Truth: In Vanguard, the "Grind" is in your "Mind". Vanguard doesn't hand you a new quest everytime you finish another; you have to LOOK for some adventures. But let's make it clear, there are MORE then enough adevntures out there to Level. So please, for those beating the "Grind" horse to death out there, please move on. It just isn't true...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
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So people will be max level soon?
If the game is so great, why are you on the forum instead of playing.
If the game is so great, why are you on the forum instead of playing.
LOL actually I am logged in to Vanguard, but Im waiting for a Guildie to come to where my toon is so I can help her with some quests she has !! (OMFG RL Gurlz play Games ????)
See, this is the Vanbois syndrom. Let's me explain.
When something "evil" is happening and that I personnally enjoys it, I don't deny it. I endorse it. So if someone tell me that the grind in CoV is bad, I would tell them they are kinda right...yet I love my grind...and the grind is much worser in other games, such as Vanguard.
Yet, the Vanbois they are automatically denying anything and everything. I am sure if it they perceive that saying the sky is blue is negative, they would deny that. Automatic denial doesn't change the facts.
Personnally, I would have love the grind, but saying it isn't there is a lie. Vanguard is 1 of the worst grind on the market, second to Lineage and SoR and that is about it. I would love the grind myself, but it doesn't change the fact, that a grind is a grind.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
If the game is so great, why are you on the forum instead of playing.
Multi-boxing in game, they play Vanguar in a smaller window and surf the net at the same time they play it. Kinda like if they would not really enjoy playing that much the game. I have a HDTV 27' to enjoy the goodie, these players make smaller windows in order to surf while playing...
You are talking with the wrong players here.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
It's not about how many quests there are, it's about the repetitivness of the content. VG is just the same kind of game like any other 2nd generation MMO, with a longer (fans read "harder") XP progression.
Gring is VG's backbone, now go help out your damsel in distress ;D
Constant stream of never-ending kill 10, kill 12, kill 20 quests.
Work orders are a grind.
Civic diplomacy is a grind.
The key in enjoying it though is to not focus on doing as much as you can in the minimal amount of time, and just explore a bit. If you race to the top of whatever you're trying to do, Vanguard will come off as a grind.
Sadly, my whole ideaology about all MMOs is that no matter how much they try and convince me the game is about the 'journey', I know in a year or two's time less than half the population is going to be level 1-49, and the rest 50. So I might aswell get there and stop wasting my time sightseeing.
If you have that kind of attitude, as I do, as a lot of people do, then yeah it's a grind...
There's a Necro on Flamehammer thats just shy of halfway to lvl 47. Out of 50.
Obviously, he's catassing like crazy to be the first to 50. He's not alone, plenty of people right behind him. Of all different classes. So, I'd say it's not quite as bad as some would have you believe.
Not that any of that matters. Those that insist that the game is a grind that will take you years to get your first level will continue to insist this, any evidence to the contrary be damned.
The tunnel vision on display on both sides of the coin has passed the point of being amusing, and is just plain stupid at this point.
And they were in beta too...
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If the game is so great, why are you on the forum instead of playing.
I totally agree with you! Creating community forums with the intention of having them used by people who like a game sounds profane, and I don't see the point in that.
As a matter of fact, I use this a lot to find what mmo:s I should play. I find some community forums and check how many posts there are and how many active posters inhabit the forum. Sometimes you stumble across some really active forums, and I'm like "WTF, this game must suck..." so I don't need to invest any more time learning about the game. But if you keep on looking you eventually find some gold nuggets where the boards are totally dry and only full of haters who dislike the game. Then I'm more like "Holy sh*t, this game must be awesome!!"
All MMOs out now (with the exception of EvE) follow this exact same pattern. I fail to see how Vanguard is different.
It's not about how many quests there are, it's about the repetitivness of the content. VG is just the same kind of game like any other 2nd generation MMO, with a longer (fans read "harder") XP progression.
Gring is VG's backbone, now go help out your damsel in distress ;D
You obviously haven't played... the quests have an AMAZING amount of diversity.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
There's some who are taking their time, they have no choice.
What it boils down to is this. Unless you have a dedicated group completely enamored of the game, you might as well forget reaching raid level within the forseeable future. However the chances of anyone but the most dedicated diehard players sticking around is slim and none.
Btw I agree the scenery is nice. And the textures at max are fantastic. But that's not enough to keep players engaged for long, unfortunately.
There's some who are taking their time, they have no choice.
What it boils down to is this. Unless you have a dedicated group completely enamored of the game, you might as well forget reaching raid level within the forseeable future. However the chances of anyone but the most dedicated diehard players sticking around is slim and none.
Btw I agree the scenery is nice. And the textures at max are fantastic. But that's not enough to keep players engaged for long, unfortunately.This is another example of knowing NOTHING about the game. There are Raid Dungeons at all Levels first off. Second, the game is NOT designed around Raiding. This is NOT WoW.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
It's not about how many quests there are, it's about the repetitivness of the content. VG is just the same kind of game like any other 2nd generation MMO, with a longer (fans read "harder") XP progression.
Gring is VG's backbone, now go help out your damsel in distress ;D
Another troll who doesn't know anything about Vanguard... you are a total forum nerd.. nothing more, get over yourself.
There's some who are taking their time, they have no choice.
What it boils down to is this. Unless you have a dedicated group completely enamored of the game, you might as well forget reaching raid level within the forseeable future. However the chances of anyone but the most dedicated diehard players sticking around is slim and none.
Btw I agree the scenery is nice. And the textures at max are fantastic. But that's not enough to keep players engaged for long, unfortunately.This is another example of knowing NOTHING about the game. There are Raid Dungeons at all Levels first off. Second, the game is NOT designed around Raiding. This is NOT WoW.
No game is really centered around raid. But if you have games that have "uber leet armor" like 85% of the repeated games out there, like WoW and VG, then you will have raids. Just like in WoW and VG, you can decide if you want to raid or not.
Total time played: 9125 Days, 21 Hours, 29 Minutes, 27 Seconds
Time played this level: 39 Days, 1 Hour, 24 Minutes, 5 Seconds
It's not about how many quests there are, it's about the repetitivness of the content. VG is just the same kind of game like any other 2nd generation MMO, with a longer (fans read "harder") XP progression.
Gring is VG's backbone, now go help out your damsel in distress ;D
Another troll who doesn't know anything about Vanguard... you are a total forum nerd.. nothing more, get over yourself.He's not lying when he said the content is repetitive. It is. There is no variation in the quests, they're really unimaginative. And yes, to the OP, there's plenty of adventures to go on in VG, but its too bad they're all exactly the same: kill x number of creatures and be an errandy boy quests, only a different piece of scenery every now and then. It's boring and its old and simply not good enough for a game that promised to really get on top of the pack.
It's not about how many quests there are, it's about the repetitivness of the content. VG is just the same kind of game like any other 2nd generation MMO, with a longer (fans read "harder") XP progression.
Gring is VG's backbone, now go help out your damsel in distress ;D
Another troll who doesn't know anything about Vanguard... you are a total forum nerd.. nothing more, get over yourself.He's not lying when he said the content is repetitive. It is. There is no variation in the quests, they're really unimaginative. And yes, to the OP, there's plenty of adventures to go on in VG, but its too bad they're all exactly the same: kill x number of creatures and be an errandy boy quests, only a different piece of scenery every now and then. It's boring and its old and simply not good enough for a game that promised to really get on top of the pack.
Now this is a nice reply. I can agree with you to some point here. I don't consider them as wildly unimaginative as you. I really view them as the same stuff you would find in most MMO's, though I have come across some really fun ones.
My only real purpose was to derail the condescending, know-it-all, retard random. He's so cool on the internet.
Now this is a nice reply. I can agree with you to some point here. I don't consider them as wildly unimaginative as you. I really view them as the same stuff you would find in most MMO's, though I have come across some really fun ones.
My only real purpose was to derail the condescending, know-it-all, retard random. He's so cool on the internet.
There are plenty of imaginative quests in this game...the only r-tards that are whineing about the grind and the same dim bulbs that dont read the mission info in COH, blow through them as quickly as possible, then whinge cuz there is no content...come back to me when you are 'forced' to clear the same dungon 37 times to level up, then you can bitch (GUK anyone?)...until then, learn what the word grind means please?Now this is a nice reply. I can agree with you to some point here. I don't consider them as wildly unimaginative as you. I really view them as the same stuff you would find in most MMO's, though I have come across some really fun ones.
My only real purpose was to derail the condescending, know-it-all, retard random. He's so cool on the internet.
There are plenty of imaginative quests in this game...the only r-tards that are whineing about the grind and the same dim bulbs that dont read the mission info in COH, blow through them as quickly as possible, then whinge cuz there is no content...come back to me when you are 'forced' to clear the same dungon 37 times to level up, then you can bitch (GUK anyone?)...until then, learn what the word grind means please?Name some imaginative quests then please? All I remember, running around Khal in Qualia, was kill x number of scorpions...kill x number of rat people...kill x number hyenas...kill x number of desert bandits....kill x number of lions, fireflies and crocs while you're at it too cause that's all there is to do! Oh and deliver this letter to my friend a few miles away....That's it. I know its the same as every MMORPG out there already...but this is supposed to be the almighty Vanguard that promised to be way greater then anything else out there, a "3rd gen MMORPG."
And no, not all of us complaining blow through the content a.s.a.p.
I read every word of those quests, trying to ignore the most embrassing voice acting in existence while I'm at it (Vulmane voices, anyone? Were they so drunk they hired Jar-Jar Binks?) and taking my sweet time with everything.
Basically, you're limited by the technology itself. There's only so many cpu cycles to go around, and sadly, AI is at the shallow end of the pool as far as who gets what. Hell, it's a miracle these games work at all.
But honestly, even if you had some sort of quantum crystal matrix alien tech cpu that afforded you unlimited cpu cycles to play with, just how different do you think the quests would be?
Really, there's only so much you can do. Lord of the Rings is pretty high on everyones fantasy book list, but if you boil it all down, it's just an overlong FedEx quest. At the end of the day, once you strip away all the fancy dialogue, any quest is going to just be FedEx, Kill X of Y, Collect X of Y(killing Z for Y optional), Escort NPC. Now there are variations on those. The Go talk to NPC is just a variation on the FedEx, just you aren't taking up an item slot(s). And the Bring me the head/horn/arm of Random Bad Guy, is just a Kill X of Y with a FedEx element. And those cover every single quest I've ever done in an MMO, or even a single player RPG, really. Even in my PnP days, all the quests I remember, be they made up by the DM, or from premade modules, the quests were the same thing, even without the limitations of a PC, or keeping 50k+ people happy. Hell, sometimes, there wasn't even a quest involved. Sometimes we just went out to some dungeon, killed the baddies, for loot and xp. You know, grinding...