You are aware that the majority of your post didn't make any sense, right?
FYI - SWG died over a year ago... the game now is SWG:NGE - which is NOT by any means, the same game. Those of you that consider it to be the same game, I would like to urge you to play EQ II for a week and then switch to WoW and play that for a week, while I sit over here and tell you that it's the same game. There really is no resemblance between the two (other than the fact that they are both "fantasy" based MMO's). Same thing applies to SWG and SWG:NGE - no resemblance between the two other than they are based (loosely) on the Star Wars franchise.....
I'm not an SWG "hater", I'm an SOE "hater." I know where the anger should be placed. I'm not mad at the milk... or something like that.
Also, respectfully, I want to know , when the game has ever NOT been about SOE.
Firstly, if you can't read English, perhaps that's why my post didn't make any sense to you.
SWG is no longer SWG:NGE, as you'd know if you'd played it recently. It seems a lot of these trolling posts come from folks who don't know what they're talking about. I guess ignorance is bliss.
As for you 'not being an SWG hater, well then play the game and find out for yourself if it's still SWG:NGE.
The game is not about SOE because the game lives due to people playing it. SOE cannot dictate that the game will have a playerbase. Only the players can do that.
I am not now, nor have I ever been a troll. We will clear that up first, here and now, not trolling. I, as well as all of the other people that do not (currently) play Star Wars Galaxies daily (no matter the "version") have as much right to post our thoughts on this forum as you and all of the other people with differing opinions than our own. The purpose of this forum (and forums in general) is to discuss our personal opinions (among other things) among other individuals that may or may not have differing opinions than our own.
As far as SWG not being SWG:NGE anymore, I am sorry, I have to beg to differ. See, you picked the wrong person to accuse of not knowing what they are talking about. Because I am such a cold, heartless b*tch of an individual, I choose to re-up my subscription every 60 days or so for the sole purpose of logging into my accounts and paying the maintenance on my structures. Every time I log in, I cross my fingers and hope that it was all just a really bad dream. That I will still have that Master Brawler/TKM/Master Creature Handler all around Bad A$$ B*tch that I so adored... or maybe that my Master Tailor/Master Architect/Master Politician/Merchant was still the same as she always was... Both of those characters are gone now... their avatars still remain but the soul of them is gone. They were robbed of what made them who they were. They can no longer practice their professions because those professions (for the most part) are not even part of the game you play. If SWG is not SWG:NGE - please tell me when they re-introduced ALL of the professions that they took out of the game last year? Until those professions are re-introduced (which they will never be) and until you use a skill point system without CL and "expertise" this game will remain the NGE. The game you play is not SWG, no matter how neatly packaged onto our servers they made it. I have played this NGE - I have played it recently. I am not one of the individuals that is still paying a monthly sub fee but I do come back every few months and I know what is going on.
Of course the game is "about" SOE - if it weren't, if it were truly about Star Wars or even Star Wars fans or even about the player base that pays SOE their monthly subscriptions, NONE of these changes would have happened in the first place.
I love how every time SWG gets a news item here, some bozo comes along with the same tired whiny mantra: "Waaah! Why doesn't SWG die already? Waaaah!" Sure SOE screwed up SWG, but that's in the past - must we hear about it over and over again for ever? I mean there's a whole new group of people in charge now and, although I would never have believed it, the game is actually improving now. So please can we stop with the nonsense? I'm hardly a SOE fan, but even I realise there's not much served by whining about negative changes that were over and done with over a year ago when the game is now actually improving. It's like saying "Oh, I'm never gonna drink milk again since they stopped putting it in glass bottles. It's not the milk's fault that they started putting it in cartons, and it's not the game's fault that SOE screwed it up. Get over it! The game isn't about SOE - it's about Star Wars.
dont u ever wonder why we still learn about the civil war, WWI, and WWII in school? its because if we dont learn about the past we are bound to make the same mistakes....
we only advance by learning and if we forget everything then whats the point?
Do you haters even understand the rules of these forums? I mean seriously, it's just one debate after another about Pre-Cu vs NGE with you people. STOP IT. if you don't like the game, move along. There are people that enjoy the game that come to these forums for legit information about the game.
I am speaking German here? I"m pretty sure what I'm saying should make sense to people with reasoning. If you're hell bent on complaining, take it to the Vet's refugee.
It's a shame the moderators don't care about this. It'd be nice to see them actually do something about it, rather then let the hate continue to spread unchecked.
::sighs:: odds are though it won't happen. So guys, please take it where it's allowed.
A lot of people are making some odd remarks about this. They are trying to fix this game! People were complaining (including me) so much when they took away camps, so they bring them back and all you do is whine and say "they are just rehashes" WHO CARES!!! YOU WANTED THE CAMPS BACK!!! YOU GOT THEM BACK!!!! Besides they are more detailed now and have special components so they arent completely the same thing. Others have said holobands and holopets are stupid and SOE should be focusing on other aspects, ok right ignore the entertainers because you are more important. Actually to sum a lot of this up, a lot of people aren't talking about the TRUE SWG. I played the TRUE SWG, it wasn't about JEDI, the real bit that messed this game up before the CU and NGE, it wasn't about TKMs... IT WAS ABOUT THE GCW!!!! Before TKMs and Comp armor and jedi became the main focus for you grinders (also ruined the game) it felt like Star Wars. This game stopped feeling like Star Wars the minute they added jedi, the minute every elite combatant was a TKM, the minute diversity amongst armor and looks watered down to comp armor, the minute they stopped focusing on the GCW, the minute Docs had huge lines waiting to buff people so they could grind to get xp and skills so they could be come JEDI ARHRGHGRHGRH. SOE IS NOT THE FULL REASON SWG IS IN THE TUBES!!! LA PUSHED THE NGE, THEY PUSHED THE JEDI.
Ok, sorry for the yelling and the ranting, I just felt like I should make this clear. Oh and btw, the real SWG only lasted a month or two.
While I agree with you to an extent, SOE is the full reason. I wish his blog post was still available, but Mr. Jeff Freeman was the one responsible. He was (is?) the person who sat behind a closed door and worked on the NGE and sold management that it was a good idea - Personally, I feel like he sat behind the closed door and played WoW and said "ZOMG Must make SWG play like that!" - and told his development team under him to make it so. - that is just *MY* opinion, and *NOT* what really happened. He happened to think it was a great idea, and consulted, NO ONE about it before hand. Those testing the NGE were in an NDA about it. And I gotta say, due to the reaction of the customers (*PAYING*) I can completely understand why they had it on NDA, they were already losing subscribers, this would have totally taken the cake (and, DID.)
I want to reply to other posts in here, but this one stood out the most. I shall now ramble on about various other things that I have read in this forum, take it for whatever you want, or ignore it, I don't honestly care.
I started playing on Day 2 - Day 1 the servers were unreachable. Pre-order collectors edition. My girlfriend, played from some point in beta. Pre-CU was (and is) INFINITELY better than the NGE. And not for the fact that all you see now is Jedi's running around swinging their lightsabers - well, ok, lets be honest, they aren't anymore, there just isn't enough population for them to.
I do know about the bugs, I was constantly fuming about them, but they were NOT a show stopper - and do you know why? Because of the community. I've done the whole Bounty Hunter mission on Yavin 4, run (pre-mount) all the way across the planet, only to find that the target is across a body of water (if you crossed water in those days while on your way to a target it would bug) - screw it I said - crossed anyways - get to the target - NOT THERE - oh well - run back (I hated decay - always scared that I would attempt to repair something and it would break) and shoot off another droid just for giggles - and there is the target! But closer - spend another 2 hours chasing him around Yavin 4, only to finally reach him and have him be un-attackable. Yes - there were MANY other bugs - it was quite annoying, but so what? I could go hang out in the cantina, flirt with the cute Twi'lek's, give the various hides, and other misc. loots I'd picked up the entire time (so it wasn't a *total* waste of time spending all that time running around) to the CRAFTERS who would make me VERY nice armor, weapons, food, drink, whatever) and we were all one big merry family. That simply DOES NOT exist anymore. It doesn't and I can tell you why, because, I happen to be a masochist who doesn't care about his money and I STILL PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION TO SWG - and I even log in every once in a while. Yes, I pay SOE so I can NOT play the game. I pay them simply because I invested over 3 years of my life into this game. I was a complete addict. I played this game for over 12 hours a day, and many times more than that. I lost 3 jobs due to playing this game. But I didn't care - SWG was a second life to me - it is quite sad I know - I invested countless (well, ok someone out there could, but math makes my head hurt) hours, as well as my hard earned dollars into SOE's pockets to play this game and accumulate the possessions I had. 5 accounts, all active... just because I don't want to lose the things I had. Is this patch good? Maybe. The game simply IS NOT what it used to be - 200 people on my friends list, and I login now and on a *lucky* day, I see 2 people online. *2* people on a lucky day. That was insane and unheard of pre-CU. Do I want it back? Hell yes I do. Do I think that SOE will ever budge? Hell no they won't. They refuse to admit that they make mistakes, and to them the NGE wasn't a mistake. I get their reasonings, I even understand their reasonings, but what I don't understand is, how the FSCK they ever thought it was the right decision. Should this have been posted to the "Moan and complain" forum, fsck if I know, and I really don't care. The fact is, some people out there simply do NOT know what they missed. They do NOT know about the community that once thrived and has en masse to other MMO's due to Freeman's fsck up. Quite simply, I blame Smedley for putting that idiot in charge, I blame that idiot for possibly thinking he knew better than his customers, what they wanted, and I blame management for believing a fscking word that idiot had to say about it.
Now, let us discuss the new SWG:NGE (which, is still SWG:NGE) - as mentioned I still pay, and occasionally I still login. Today I picked up a few of the latest vet rewards that I have been putting off getting. Then I went outside. WTF.
Lag, beyond your wildest possible dreams lag. Holy hell wtf. Check my roommate's room to see if he is playing WoW, no... ok, check my laptops to see if either are downloading or running bittorrent. Nope there, hell, 2 of em aren't even turned on. Okay, lets see, is it possible that they bumped up the system requirements? No, actually that wouldn't matter either. I am running a 2GHz AMD64 with 2gb ram, with a 256MB agp Nvidia card, and on a *bad* day, my download speeds are at 300Kb/s. So I have to ask, where the FSCK is this lag coming from? "Condemned houses, harvesters, factories" is what I hear people screaming... I am going to have to call bullsh*t there. Know why? Because I used to play this game on a 1.5ghz 32bit with 1gb ram, and 128mb video card, and you know what - those houses, factories, bases, harvesters so on and so forth WERE THERE THEN - but - there is something missing now, that wasn't then - PEOPLE - which given the customization options due to SWG having the only system that really let you customize your character the way you wanted it, caused more lag than anything else, and the game was a fscking dream then with regards to lag. So I need a better answer than that. Because the population is WAY down compared to the hustle and bustle that used to be there. So no, don't give me that bunk.
Lets see, oh yes - I attempted to call my mount earlier. It never happened, though my speeder came right out - can I not ride a mount anymore? Also, the guns are gone from the wall of my house, the swords are still there, but all my guns are gone. I have quite an amazing house, in my opinion, and to see them missing - well, it caused my heart to sink "a bit" - as I said, I was quite the addict - every weapon on the wall was top of its class back when they were useful. Same with the swords - though some of them were crappy. I was actually looking at them today and kind of giggling due to the fact that CRAFTERS used to always put the stats in the name of the item, and when I was examining them, they in no way matched.
Overall, while this patch adds a few things, it simply is *not* enough, nor can SOE do anything to make it enough, because simply put, they ripped out quite a few people's hearts when they released the NGE. And for that, many people will *never* forgive SOE. I do hope that the SWGEMU team accomplishes their goal, though I don't hold any high hopes as we are talking about SOE and LA here, two companies that aren't exactly consumer friendly, so it cannot possibly be a viable option.
I played on Wanderhome, my house is on Naboo, and I am the digi, in MarshaSioux's digi & divi.
Anyways, I think I have rambled on enough, and to close, I would have to say, thank you Mr. Freeman, for your gift. Without it, I would never have known how the goatse guy feels.
I hate to do this, but from now on anyone continuing to debate the forbidden topic of Pre-CU vs NGE will just be reported. I'm just sick of it. almost no one has really said much on the new content of chapter 5. It almost is all just old vs new, a debate that's gone around more then it's fair share and isn't even allowed.
Perhaps if you would take your fanboi blinders off, you would understand WHY there is so much of this. Because SOE ripped the hearts out of their players. And I most certainly mentioned Chapter 5. There *is* some good stuff, but it simply is *NOT* enough.
For those that still play, I'm glad they restored camps. They were a lot of fun, and players have been asking for their return for some time now. I 'm also glad that crafters will be able to make them. I used to really enjoy making camps kits.
How about getting rid of the xp penalty for grouping to go along with that so that group hunts are more appealing again? It would be cool if soloing or grouping gave you the same xp. Right now, as I understand it, the more people in group, the less xp you get. Why not make the options equally appealing and let people choose? Group hunting goes with camps like butter goes with popcorn
I'm also glad that entertainers will have some more options regarding their buffs. When buffs were reduced mainly to just xp boosters, entertainers lost a lot of relevance.
Of course I hope the buffs are enough to be helpful in many ways without making them an absolute must for other players to function. This is always a challenging balance to achieve.
I'd still like to have the original game back, but if SOE's not budging on this, then I have been asking them to restore things like camps, entertainer buffs, and the ability for all players to call and interact with all their pets again. This last item still needs attention btw, in a big way. I'm also hoping that the chapter is not released with game breaking bugs, as was the case with many previous publishes.
I appreciate that SOE is not a single entity, and that there seem to be some people there that are listening to some of what players are asking for. To those that are trying to make a difference, thanks.
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Oh and as for all the flames back and forth in this thread, I'm still a big fan of respecting SWG vets and their feelings of loss and betrayal, AND I'm still not going to bash those friends of mine that still choose to play SWG. The issues I have are with SOE/LA, and I want to keep my energy focused there.
to be a "fanboi" wouldn't I have to at least still be playing?
I'm in Final Fantasy 11 right now, but I didn't quit SWG for any reason of unhappyness. I just wanted to return to my favorite MMO. Steev, pretty much all of what you said still falls into the catagory of Pre-Cu vs NGE as far as I can tell. If I'm wrong, sorry. From now on, I'm going to help weed out the people that can't use the proper forums for their conversation piece (ie, the complaining that belogns int he Vet's refugee)
In this thread, each person has the right to say what they think of the additions in relation to what they currently do in the game. This is not the complaint department, aka Veteran's refugee. There for, no one here has that right to bitch about the game. If you don't like it, file your statment in the proper place. If I went into the Veteran's section and said how wonderful I think SWG is, I would (and have) been shouted out by all the people that wanted that section for complaining only and fevorishly pointed out that all the other sections were monitored for what was said (not that I believe that for a second). So take it off of this thread and take it where it belongs (which of course I should say a trash compactor, but oh well). This thread is not a section for the ever lasting debate of NGE vs Pre CU. It's just a thread about what people think of the latest changes. Do they sound good? What more do you want (besides Pre-CU)? well over 70% of what I read here was completely besides the point. I'm hoping these changes will work out. Personally I probably would've prefered eliminating Entertainor and Crafter (whatever it's called now) and integrating them into the other classes so every profession could make items and dance/play music. That would have been better then just giving the two professions combat skills.
First of all, let's clear something up shall we? This board is not ONLY for people that currently play this game. This board is for ALL members of MMORPG.com to discuss their feelings on the news stories posted on the site proper. See Below: (taken directly from the forum index)
This forum is used to allow members to comment on news items in our site. You cannot create new topics in this forum, but you can post in existing ones. Staying on topic will be *strictly enforced*
Since the topic is the recent SWG updates, as per the original story on MMORPG.com, those of us that feel as though this is yet another band-aid on an appendage that has already been sawed off with a chain saw (not to mention having had salt poured in the wound) have just as much right (being as we are members of MMORPG.com) to voice our opinion on the recent "updates" to the game. Our opinions on the game, as it is now, as it was and how it should be are VALID points in this thread as no amount of updates to the current code and game structure are going to "make the game better." This is impossible. The code is so borked in it's current stage that continuing to add to it and try to rewrite bits and pieces here and there then take away and then re-introduce - well it is causing serious issues with the code. The database/servers/code have numerous errors causing intense lag and lack of playability. The only way to fix this issue is to scrap the code that is on the servers, wipe them (all of it - servers, databases, code - as they do in beta tests when they have to rework the code and make drastic changes -which I do not care WHO you are, you have to agree that NGE code was a drastic change) - which yes, unfortunately means everyone would then have to recreate their characters and work their way back up through the entire game and resource/money building process. They would then have to completely rewrite the code from scratch with whatever version of the game they honestly feel the "majority" wants, slap that code on the servers and re-open the servers... you know... like in a beta test.... While I was beta testing SWG - I witnessed SEVERAL of these types of wipes, wipes that were done prior to (moderately) minor code changes.
As far as your opinion on the removal of the Trader and Entertainer classes, subsequently integrating ALL players with the ability to utilize these skills.... there are other games for you, a few right off the top of my head for you to try out with this type of system... EQ II and WoW (no, that is NOT a comparison between SWG and the other two games, simply providing examples of this system.) If you prefer that system, you should play those games. SOE has already removed 24 professions from this games original code, I think removing 2 more would put the last nail in the coffin. This is, of course, only my opinion, but I am sure that it is one that is shared by a majority of the remaining player base.
I still think you're missing the point. the Veteran's refugee is for those that think this game (and it's updates) are poor imitations or whatever you want to call it. This thread is not for comparing Pre-Cu to NGE, which seems to be a common pop up in all the topics, no matter if it's a thread about new content or someone asking about a quest. It's completely out of hand how often I see some "vet" complaining about how they miss the good old days.
I think defining what this thread is for might help. This thread is about Chapter 5 additions. So naturally, the only comparision that should be made here is Chapter 4 vs Chapter 5. Does it take away from what was in chapter 4? Does it add anything that was missing in chapter 4? Questions like this that help people playing or thinking about playing to know if they should or not.
Talk about a game that's been gone for over a year or two does not help a new or current player make any choices.
So for the last time, please just take your complaints to the Vet's area. Or better yet, just stop talking about this game and move on. There's plenty of other games out there.
to be a "fanboi" wouldn't I have to at least still be playing?
I'm in Final Fantasy 11 right now, but I didn't quit SWG for any reason of unhappyness. I just wanted to return to my favorite MMO. Steev, pretty much all of what you said still falls into the catagory of Pre-Cu vs NGE as far as I can tell. If I'm wrong, sorry. From now on, I'm going to help weed out the people that can't use the proper forums for their conversation piece (ie, the complaining that belogns int he Vet's refugee)
Everybody watch out... it's Farva.
Jeez, who died and made you hall monitor?
Here you are, telling all of us "whiners" to get out of here and stay on topic and such and your post had no valid points (or even any discussion) about the changes recently made to the game - none whatsoever.
We think the game could be better - we think the game USED to be better - we think the changes reek of weakness - we think that SOE can't admit to their customers that they are all mentally challenged and using monkeys with sticks to write their code and manage their servers - we think that any updates to the current code are redundant - what about that does not belong in this forum?
MMORPG.com Forum Moderators do not need you to "help" them do their job - they are the moderators because they are the ones that are capable of handling this type of "power" - allow them to do their jobs without being annoyed by your invalid reporting of forum posters that *you* think shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions.
Where there was once a sea now there is a desert and a river just sprouted. A hopless tease to some, a glorious sign to others.
Hell, its a small step in the right direction but positive and, omg, some content! It wasnt too long ago when even the podcaster guys were wondering if anything was being done with this game actively.
Yeah sure I sound like a fanboi, SOE sympathizer or whatever... No its not the game it used to be and will probably never be again however it still has enough enjoyment for less hard core players. Those players are not scabs, turncoats, benedict arnolds, smed's cabin boys, retards, or twitch lovers.. they just play as noobs or vets knowing full well that its not the same.
Saying "let it die" is advocating taking away the game for people who do play it which is just as unfair as what SOE did with the NGE.
Where there was once a sea now there is a desert and a river just sprouted. A hopless tease to some, a glorious sign to others. Hell, its a small step in the right direction but positive and, omg, some content! It wasnt too long ago when even the podcaster guys were wondering if anything was being done with this game actively. Yeah sure I sound like a fanboi, SOE sympathizer or whatever... No its not the game it used to be and will probably never be again however it still has enough enjoyment for less hard core players. Those players are not scabs, turncoats, benedict arnolds, smed's cabin boys, retards, or twitch lovers.. they just play as noobs or vets knowing full well that its not the same. Saying "let it die" is advocating taking away the game for people who do play it which is just as unfair as what SOE did with the NGE.
See, I actually agree with you for the most part here.
1. It very well could be a step in the right direction for those of you that enjoy the game the way it is
I do NOT think you sound like any of those things
2. And I can understand that some people like to play this game - I honestly can. I don't understand how or why some people like to play it, because I don't have the same opinion or feelings it makes it hard for me to understand the why part of it. How it is enjoyable makes no sense to me but - it doesn't blow me away that there are other people out there that enjoy it - everyone is different and therefore everyone enjoys different things.
3. I personally do not wish for the game to ever "die" in the complete sense that you are talking about. Do I believe that SWG is dead (as far as the game *I* love is concerned..) yes. But do I wish that they would shut the servers down and take away the entire game from the people that still play? No. Also, this way - my characters get to continue to live on in their virtual world until I decide to stop paying the subscription fee every couple of months to make sure my characters are not deleted.... Yes, the emotional aspect of this is THAT serious for the majority of the people that no longer play - unfortunately - that completely sucks - but that's life.
4. Yes - taking away the game that some people still play would be just as unfair to them as the NGE was to those of us that left because of it. I don't personally wish that on anyone - it is awful.
There you have it -
I'm glad that there are at least SOME people getting some enjoyment out of the whole mess... unfortunately I am not one of them
I think the game is going in the right direction, I like it a lot more than I did when the NGE was introduced.
Many entertainers and traders wanted combat and they got it but that's not good enough for some eirher. If people would quit whining about every damn thing it would help. SOE sees players posting, "It's too easy" or "It's too hard" and trying to find a happy medium is useless.
Sorry it is still crap................ Until they put the skill system back in so I can be whatever I want to be and replace the missing CH and Ranger proffesions and FOR CHRIST SAKE FIX THE LINE OF SIGHT BUG!!!!!!.......This game will continue to be software non grata on my machine.
Hang on. How can you say it's crap if you haven't played it recently? I just don't get it. Does a game have to have CHs and rangers in order for it not to be crap? How do you know the LOS bug hasn't been fixed? Lots of bugs have been fixed and some are fixed without SOE making too much noise about it (e.g. the chair/sitting warp bug). Again, if you're going to criticise the game when it's had so many very recent changes, you really ought to play it, at least for a short time, just to check that you're talking out of the right orifice.
Way to assume there susan.......
I have played the game since the NGE. I even bought the starter kit just to see if its any good and you know what? IT WASNT. They made the once diverse skill system into a crappy class model where everyone is the same and I dont care how many expertise points or whatever they give you you are still just another BH or just another jedi.
As far as the Line of sight bug goes it has been there since the game released but it didnt matter because when a mob shot at you through a wall before the NGE you could just shoot back and kill it. Now mobs shoot you through everything but you are unable to see them so you are just dead.
So Nancy, is the LOS bug fixed? Or are you just being an ass on principle.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I hate to do this, but from now on anyone continuing to debate the forbidden topic of Pre-CU vs NGE will just be reported. I'm just sick of it. almost no one has really said much on the new content of chapter 5. It almost is all just old vs new, a debate that's gone around more then it's fair share and isn't even allowed.
Have a nice day.
A big reason for re-introducing old game content (i.e. camps and entertainer buffs) is to try to address feedback from vets that lost so much with the NGE. A number of posts from SOE, including from John Smedley, in the old SOE forums highlighted that. So to me, feedback from vets about these new chapters is very relevant to the topic.
In light of this, I don't think comparing what was lost to what is being restored is a "forbidden" topic at all. I understand that some people don't like that kind of post, and I can imagine many reason's why that's probably true (i.e. maybe they're enjoying the game and don't want it to be undermined by criticism). However, I always cringe when I see people on either side of a debate trying to defend their point of view by silencing others.
As for my overall thoughts:
Will this restore my trust in SOE/LA? I find that it hasn't yet.
Will this replace enough of what I lost in the NGE to draw me back to SWG? I don't think so.
Am I happy for friends that still play the game that they will get to build and use camps again, and that entertainers will have more relevant buffs? Yes, I am happy for my friends, and glad that some of the feedback has been responded to with these recent additions.
I still think you're missing the point. the Veteran's refugee is for those that think this game (and it's updates) are poor imitations or whatever you want to call it. This thread is not for comparing Pre-Cu to NGE, which seems to be a common pop up in all the topics, no matter if it's a thread about new content or someone asking about a quest. It's completely out of hand how often I see some "vet" complaining about how they miss the good old days. I think defining what this thread is for might help. This thread is about Chapter 5 additions. So naturally, the only comparision that should be made here is Chapter 4 vs Chapter 5. Does it take away from what was in chapter 4? Does it add anything that was missing in chapter 4? Questions like this that help people playing or thinking about playing to know if they should or not. Talk about a game that's been gone for over a year or two does not help a new or current player make any choices. So for the last time, please just take your complaints to the Vet's area. Or better yet, just stop talking about this game and move on. There's plenty of other games out there.
With any luck, talk about that game will help steer that new player away from the current game. Regardless of whether or not you're sick of anything, EVERYTHING the SWG team puts out will be under intense scrutiny. And quite frankly, if it doesn't include reverting the game back to what it was in the ways that matter (skills instead of classes, etc) then you will continue to hear this from a lot of people. Were you playing the game when they launched the NGE? Didn't you lose almost everything you worked for? Because it sounds like either you weren't and you didn't, or you enjoy the idea of people beating up on you and laughing about it afterward.
Every thread that talks about SWG is fair game. Every single thread, on any board. If MMORPG doesn't want us talking about it on their boards, they'll shut us up. I don't even care if the old game ever comes back any more. But it's people who play it now, who have decided to keep the game going, who are the real problem. As long as one person continues to pay for the game, SOE will produce it, and they do not deserve to produce this game.
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Firstly, if you can't read English, perhaps that's why my post didn't make any sense to you.
SWG is no longer SWG:NGE, as you'd know if you'd played it recently. It seems a lot of these trolling posts come from folks who don't know what they're talking about. I guess ignorance is bliss.
As for you 'not being an SWG hater, well then play the game and find out for yourself if it's still SWG:NGE.
The game is not about SOE because the game lives due to people playing it. SOE cannot dictate that the game will have a playerbase. Only the players can do that.
I am not now, nor have I ever been a troll. We will clear that up first, here and now, not trolling. I, as well as all of the other people that do not (currently) play Star Wars Galaxies daily (no matter the "version") have as much right to post our thoughts on this forum as you and all of the other people with differing opinions than our own. The purpose of this forum (and forums in general) is to discuss our personal opinions (among other things) among other individuals that may or may not have differing opinions than our own.
As far as SWG not being SWG:NGE anymore, I am sorry, I have to beg to differ. See, you picked the wrong person to accuse of not knowing what they are talking about. Because I am such a cold, heartless b*tch of an individual, I choose to re-up my subscription every 60 days or so for the sole purpose of logging into my accounts and paying the maintenance on my structures. Every time I log in, I cross my fingers and hope that it was all just a really bad dream. That I will still have that Master Brawler/TKM/Master Creature Handler all around Bad A$$ B*tch that I so adored... or maybe that my Master Tailor/Master Architect/Master Politician/Merchant was still the same as she always was... Both of those characters are gone now... their avatars still remain but the soul of them is gone. They were robbed of what made them who they were. They can no longer practice their professions because those professions (for the most part) are not even part of the game you play. If SWG is not SWG:NGE - please tell me when they re-introduced ALL of the professions that they took out of the game last year? Until those professions are re-introduced (which they will never be) and until you use a skill point system without CL and "expertise" this game will remain the NGE. The game you play is not SWG, no matter how neatly packaged onto our servers they made it. I have played this NGE - I have played it recently. I am not one of the individuals that is still paying a monthly sub fee but I do come back every few months and I know what is going on.
Of course the game is "about" SOE - if it weren't, if it were truly about Star Wars or even Star Wars fans or even about the player base that pays SOE their monthly subscriptions, NONE of these changes would have happened in the first place.
I'm the girl the ESRB warned you about...
we only advance by learning and if we forget everything then whats the point?
Do you haters even understand the rules of these forums? I mean seriously, it's just one debate after another about Pre-Cu vs NGE with you people. STOP IT. if you don't like the game, move along. There are people that enjoy the game that come to these forums for legit information about the game.
I am speaking German here? I"m pretty sure what I'm saying should make sense to people with reasoning. If you're hell bent on complaining, take it to the Vet's refugee.
It's a shame the moderators don't care about this. It'd be nice to see them actually do something about it, rather then let the hate continue to spread unchecked.
::sighs:: odds are though it won't happen. So guys, please take it where it's allowed.
I want to reply to other posts in here, but this one stood out the most. I shall now ramble on about various other things that I have read in this forum, take it for whatever you want, or ignore it, I don't honestly care.
I started playing on Day 2 - Day 1 the servers were unreachable. Pre-order collectors edition. My girlfriend, played from some point in beta. Pre-CU was (and is) INFINITELY better than the NGE. And not for the fact that all you see now is Jedi's running around swinging their lightsabers - well, ok, lets be honest, they aren't anymore, there just isn't enough population for them to.
I do know about the bugs, I was constantly fuming about them, but they were NOT a show stopper - and do you know why? Because of the community. I've done the whole Bounty Hunter mission on Yavin 4, run (pre-mount) all the way across the planet, only to find that the target is across a body of water (if you crossed water in those days while on your way to a target it would bug) - screw it I said - crossed anyways - get to the target - NOT THERE - oh well - run back (I hated decay - always scared that I would attempt to repair something and it would break) and shoot off another droid just for giggles - and there is the target! But closer - spend another 2 hours chasing him around Yavin 4, only to finally reach him and have him be un-attackable. Yes - there were MANY other bugs - it was quite annoying, but so what? I could go hang out in the cantina, flirt with the cute Twi'lek's, give the various hides, and other misc. loots I'd picked up the entire time (so it wasn't a *total* waste of time spending all that time running around) to the CRAFTERS who would make me VERY nice armor, weapons, food, drink, whatever) and we were all one big merry family. That simply DOES NOT exist anymore. It doesn't and I can tell you why, because, I happen to be a masochist who doesn't care about his money and I STILL PAY FOR MY SUBSCRIPTION TO SWG - and I even log in every once in a while. Yes, I pay SOE so I can NOT play the game. I pay them simply because I invested over 3 years of my life into this game. I was a complete addict. I played this game for over 12 hours a day, and many times more than that. I lost 3 jobs due to playing this game. But I didn't care - SWG was a second life to me - it is quite sad I know - I invested countless (well, ok someone out there could, but math makes my head hurt) hours, as well as my hard earned dollars into SOE's pockets to play this game and accumulate the possessions I had. 5 accounts, all active... just because I don't want to lose the things I had. Is this patch good? Maybe. The game simply IS NOT what it used to be - 200 people on my friends list, and I login now and on a *lucky* day, I see 2 people online. *2* people on a lucky day. That was insane and unheard of pre-CU. Do I want it back? Hell yes I do. Do I think that SOE will ever budge? Hell no they won't. They refuse to admit that they make mistakes, and to them the NGE wasn't a mistake. I get their reasonings, I even understand their reasonings, but what I don't understand is, how the FSCK they ever thought it was the right decision. Should this have been posted to the "Moan and complain" forum, fsck if I know, and I really don't care. The fact is, some people out there simply do NOT know what they missed. They do NOT know about the community that once thrived and has en masse to other MMO's due to Freeman's fsck up. Quite simply, I blame Smedley for putting that idiot in charge, I blame that idiot for possibly thinking he knew better than his customers, what they wanted, and I blame management for believing a fscking word that idiot had to say about it.
Now, let us discuss the new SWG:NGE (which, is still SWG:NGE) - as mentioned I still pay, and occasionally I still login. Today I picked up a few of the latest vet rewards that I have been putting off getting. Then I went outside. WTF.
Lag, beyond your wildest possible dreams lag. Holy hell wtf. Check my roommate's room to see if he is playing WoW, no... ok, check my laptops to see if either are downloading or running bittorrent. Nope there, hell, 2 of em aren't even turned on. Okay, lets see, is it possible that they bumped up the system requirements? No, actually that wouldn't matter either. I am running a 2GHz AMD64 with 2gb ram, with a 256MB agp Nvidia card, and on a *bad* day, my download speeds are at 300Kb/s. So I have to ask, where the FSCK is this lag coming from? "Condemned houses, harvesters, factories" is what I hear people screaming... I am going to have to call bullsh*t there. Know why? Because I used to play this game on a 1.5ghz 32bit with 1gb ram, and 128mb video card, and you know what - those houses, factories, bases, harvesters so on and so forth WERE THERE THEN - but - there is something missing now, that wasn't then - PEOPLE - which given the customization options due to SWG having the only system that really let you customize your character the way you wanted it, caused more lag than anything else, and the game was a fscking dream then with regards to lag. So I need a better answer than that. Because the population is WAY down compared to the hustle and bustle that used to be there. So no, don't give me that bunk.
Lets see, oh yes - I attempted to call my mount earlier. It never happened, though my speeder came right out - can I not ride a mount anymore? Also, the guns are gone from the wall of my house, the swords are still there, but all my guns are gone. I have quite an amazing house, in my opinion, and to see them missing - well, it caused my heart to sink "a bit" - as I said, I was quite the addict - every weapon on the wall was top of its class back when they were useful. Same with the swords - though some of them were crappy. I was actually looking at them today and kind of giggling due to the fact that CRAFTERS used to always put the stats in the name of the item, and when I was examining them, they in no way matched.
Overall, while this patch adds a few things, it simply is *not* enough, nor can SOE do anything to make it enough, because simply put, they ripped out quite a few people's hearts when they released the NGE. And for that, many people will *never* forgive SOE. I do hope that the SWGEMU team accomplishes their goal, though I don't hold any high hopes as we are talking about SOE and LA here, two companies that aren't exactly consumer friendly, so it cannot possibly be a viable option.
I played on Wanderhome, my house is on Naboo, and I am the digi, in MarshaSioux's digi & divi.
Anyways, I think I have rambled on enough, and to close, I would have to say, thank you Mr. Freeman, for your gift. Without it, I would never have known how the goatse guy feels.
I hate to do this, but from now on anyone continuing to debate the forbidden topic of Pre-CU vs NGE will just be reported. I'm just sick of it. almost no one has really said much on the new content of chapter 5. It almost is all just old vs new, a debate that's gone around more then it's fair share and isn't even allowed.
Have a nice day.
For those that still play, I'm glad they restored camps. They were a lot of fun, and players have been asking for their return for some time now. I 'm also glad that crafters will be able to make them. I used to really enjoy making camps kits.
How about getting rid of the xp penalty for grouping to go along with that so that group hunts are more appealing again? It would be cool if soloing or grouping gave you the same xp. Right now, as I understand it, the more people in group, the less xp you get. Why not make the options equally appealing and let people choose? Group hunting goes with camps like butter goes with popcorn
I'm also glad that entertainers will have some more options regarding their buffs. When buffs were reduced mainly to just xp boosters, entertainers lost a lot of relevance.
Of course I hope the buffs are enough to be helpful in many ways without making them an absolute must for other players to function. This is always a challenging balance to achieve.
I'd still like to have the original game back, but if SOE's not budging on this, then I have been asking them to restore things like camps, entertainer buffs, and the ability for all players to call and interact with all their pets again. This last item still needs attention btw, in a big way. I'm also hoping that the chapter is not released with game breaking bugs, as was the case with many previous publishes.
I appreciate that SOE is not a single entity, and that there seem to be some people there that are listening to some of what players are asking for. To those that are trying to make a difference, thanks.
Arc
Oh and as for all the flames back and forth in this thread, I'm still a big fan of respecting SWG vets and their feelings of loss and betrayal, AND I'm still not going to bash those friends of mine that still choose to play SWG. The issues I have are with SOE/LA, and I want to keep my energy focused there.
to be a "fanboi" wouldn't I have to at least still be playing?
I'm in Final Fantasy 11 right now, but I didn't quit SWG for any reason of unhappyness. I just wanted to return to my favorite MMO. Steev, pretty much all of what you said still falls into the catagory of Pre-Cu vs NGE as far as I can tell. If I'm wrong, sorry. From now on, I'm going to help weed out the people that can't use the proper forums for their conversation piece (ie, the complaining that belogns int he Vet's refugee)
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This forum is used to allow members to comment on news items in our site. You cannot create new topics in this forum, but you can post in existing ones. Staying on topic will be *strictly enforced*Since the topic is the recent SWG updates, as per the original story on MMORPG.com, those of us that feel as though this is yet another band-aid on an appendage that has already been sawed off with a chain saw (not to mention having had salt poured in the wound) have just as much right (being as we are members of MMORPG.com) to voice our opinion on the recent "updates" to the game. Our opinions on the game, as it is now, as it was and how it should be are VALID points in this thread as no amount of updates to the current code and game structure are going to "make the game better." This is impossible. The code is so borked in it's current stage that continuing to add to it and try to rewrite bits and pieces here and there then take away and then re-introduce - well it is causing serious issues with the code. The database/servers/code have numerous errors causing intense lag and lack of playability. The only way to fix this issue is to scrap the code that is on the servers, wipe them (all of it - servers, databases, code - as they do in beta tests when they have to rework the code and make drastic changes -which I do not care WHO you are, you have to agree that NGE code was a drastic change) - which yes, unfortunately means everyone would then have to recreate their characters and work their way back up through the entire game and resource/money building process. They would then have to completely rewrite the code from scratch with whatever version of the game they honestly feel the "majority" wants, slap that code on the servers and re-open the servers... you know... like in a beta test.... While I was beta testing SWG - I witnessed SEVERAL of these types of wipes, wipes that were done prior to (moderately) minor code changes.
As far as your opinion on the removal of the Trader and Entertainer classes, subsequently integrating ALL players with the ability to utilize these skills.... there are other games for you, a few right off the top of my head for you to try out with this type of system... EQ II and WoW (no, that is NOT a comparison between SWG and the other two games, simply providing examples of this system.) If you prefer that system, you should play those games. SOE has already removed 24 professions from this games original code, I think removing 2 more would put the last nail in the coffin. This is, of course, only my opinion, but I am sure that it is one that is shared by a majority of the remaining player base.
I'm the girl the ESRB warned you about...
I still think you're missing the point. the Veteran's refugee is for those that think this game (and it's updates) are poor imitations or whatever you want to call it. This thread is not for comparing Pre-Cu to NGE, which seems to be a common pop up in all the topics, no matter if it's a thread about new content or someone asking about a quest. It's completely out of hand how often I see some "vet" complaining about how they miss the good old days.
I think defining what this thread is for might help. This thread is about Chapter 5 additions. So naturally, the only comparision that should be made here is Chapter 4 vs Chapter 5. Does it take away from what was in chapter 4? Does it add anything that was missing in chapter 4? Questions like this that help people playing or thinking about playing to know if they should or not.
Talk about a game that's been gone for over a year or two does not help a new or current player make any choices.
So for the last time, please just take your complaints to the Vet's area. Or better yet, just stop talking about this game and move on. There's plenty of other games out there.
Jeez, who died and made you hall monitor?
Here you are, telling all of us "whiners" to get out of here and stay on topic and such and your post had no valid points (or even any discussion) about the changes recently made to the game - none whatsoever.
We think the game could be better - we think the game USED to be better - we think the changes reek of weakness - we think that SOE can't admit to their customers that they are all mentally challenged and using monkeys with sticks to write their code and manage their servers - we think that any updates to the current code are redundant - what about that does not belong in this forum?
MMORPG.com Forum Moderators do not need you to "help" them do their job - they are the moderators because they are the ones that are capable of handling this type of "power" - allow them to do their jobs without being annoyed by your invalid reporting of forum posters that *you* think shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions.
I'm the girl the ESRB warned you about...
Where there was once a sea now there is a desert and a river just sprouted. A hopless tease to some, a glorious sign to others.
Hell, its a small step in the right direction but positive and, omg, some content! It wasnt too long ago when even the podcaster guys were wondering if anything was being done with this game actively.
Yeah sure I sound like a fanboi, SOE sympathizer or whatever... No its not the game it used to be and will probably never be again however it still has enough enjoyment for less hard core players. Those players are not scabs, turncoats, benedict arnolds, smed's cabin boys, retards, or twitch lovers.. they just play as noobs or vets knowing full well that its not the same.
Saying "let it die" is advocating taking away the game for people who do play it which is just as unfair as what SOE did with the NGE.
1. It very well could be a step in the right direction for those of you that enjoy the game the way it is
I do NOT think you sound like any of those things
2. And I can understand that some people like to play this game - I honestly can. I don't understand how or why some people like to play it, because I don't have the same opinion or feelings it makes it hard for me to understand the why part of it. How it is enjoyable makes no sense to me but - it doesn't blow me away that there are other people out there that enjoy it - everyone is different and therefore everyone enjoys different things.
3. I personally do not wish for the game to ever "die" in the complete sense that you are talking about. Do I believe that SWG is dead (as far as the game *I* love is concerned..) yes. But do I wish that they would shut the servers down and take away the entire game from the people that still play? No. Also, this way - my characters get to continue to live on in their virtual world until I decide to stop paying the subscription fee every couple of months to make sure my characters are not deleted.... Yes, the emotional aspect of this is THAT serious for the majority of the people that no longer play - unfortunately - that completely sucks - but that's life.
4. Yes - taking away the game that some people still play would be just as unfair to them as the NGE was to those of us that left because of it. I don't personally wish that on anyone - it is awful.
There you have it -
I'm glad that there are at least SOME people getting some enjoyment out of the whole mess... unfortunately I am not one of them
I'm the girl the ESRB warned you about...
I think the game is going in the right direction, I like it a lot more than I did when the NGE was introduced.
Many entertainers and traders wanted combat and they got it but that's not good enough for some eirher. If people would quit whining about every damn thing it would help. SOE sees players posting, "It's too easy" or "It's too hard" and trying to find a happy medium is useless.
Hang on. How can you say it's crap if you haven't played it recently? I just don't get it. Does a game have to have CHs and rangers in order for it not to be crap? How do you know the LOS bug hasn't been fixed? Lots of bugs have been fixed and some are fixed without SOE making too much noise about it (e.g. the chair/sitting warp bug). Again, if you're going to criticise the game when it's had so many very recent changes, you really ought to play it, at least for a short time, just to check that you're talking out of the right orifice.
Way to assume there susan.......
I have played the game since the NGE. I even bought the starter kit just to see if its any good and you know what? IT WASNT. They made the once diverse skill system into a crappy class model where everyone is the same and I dont care how many expertise points or whatever they give you you are still just another BH or just another jedi.
As far as the Line of sight bug goes it has been there since the game released but it didnt matter because when a mob shot at you through a wall before the NGE you could just shoot back and kill it. Now mobs shoot you through everything but you are unable to see them so you are just dead.
So Nancy, is the LOS bug fixed? Or are you just being an ass on principle.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
A big reason for re-introducing old game content (i.e. camps and entertainer buffs) is to try to address feedback from vets that lost so much with the NGE. A number of posts from SOE, including from John Smedley, in the old SOE forums highlighted that. So to me, feedback from vets about these new chapters is very relevant to the topic.
In light of this, I don't think comparing what was lost to what is being restored is a "forbidden" topic at all. I understand that some people don't like that kind of post, and I can imagine many reason's why that's probably true (i.e. maybe they're enjoying the game and don't want it to be undermined by criticism). However, I always cringe when I see people on either side of a debate trying to defend their point of view by silencing others.
As for my overall thoughts:
Will this restore my trust in SOE/LA? I find that it hasn't yet.
Will this replace enough of what I lost in the NGE to draw me back to SWG? I don't think so.
Am I happy for friends that still play the game that they will get to build and use camps again, and that entertainers will have more relevant buffs? Yes, I am happy for my friends, and glad that some of the feedback has been responded to with these recent additions.
Arc
Every thread that talks about SWG is fair game. Every single thread, on any board. If MMORPG doesn't want us talking about it on their boards, they'll shut us up. I don't even care if the old game ever comes back any more. But it's people who play it now, who have decided to keep the game going, who are the real problem. As long as one person continues to pay for the game, SOE will produce it, and they do not deserve to produce this game.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum