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How do you teach a carebear how to play vanguard?
snazzy
Member Posts: 15
Reading all the post's here it boggle's the mind of what people want from a mmo if you really want a I win button this is not the game for you but to help some people learn to play the game lets give some tips!
1 If your pc cannot handle vista please do not buy vanguard this game is very hard on even the best gaming rigs.
2 Learn how to build faction up I cant stand reading how peep's think it's an empty world when you first get into a new zone you have to build your faction up to get quests from npc's.
3 Vanguard was released early if you are not prepared to let the dev's have 5 months to smooth things out then simply take it off your harddrive and enjoy whatever mmo you like!
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How do you teach a sucker to pay you $50 and $15 every month?
1. Develop and launch Vanguard.
How do you teach a sucker to pay you $50 and $15 every month?
1. Develop and launch Vanguard. Once Vanguard is all fixed , they will release it as "Vangaurd 2 : pwned the noobs, again"
who me ?
LOL you amateur... You think Vanguard is some harcore game?!! Flipping WOW has a more complex character evolution ladder than Vanguard. Pretty muhc ANY game except EQ II is more advanced that this little WoW copy... I can not imagine what kind of game players come from that think Vanguard is the height of advanced games..
Calling others carebear... You are playing a game a 3 year old could understand, build and advance a character in of any class. Believe me a large portion of people that dislike Vanguard do it because its just a continuation of WoW and not even close to the real MMOs of old, games where you actually got something for the money, and your decisions actually meant something,not just another action game in a bland world. Have fun with your little illusions, kiddo. You fit perfectly among the Vanguard crowd, where all facts are drawn from fantasy and ego. You really impressed me, anyway.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Um, unless you are talking about guildwars, which isn't an MMO, NO MMORPG's out now are instanced (DDO is close though)...
some HAVE INSTANCING of one degree or another...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Also, no one I know, including me, wants an "I win!" button in a game. I hated when the l33t kiddies used God Mode in Quake, and I don't have any patience for it in an MMO. At the same time, I'm also not a masochist. I have a life outside of gaming. I don't have 6-8 hours a day to commit to an MMO anymore, like I did with the original EverQuest. I prefer games that allow me to go at my own pace, but still see some actual progress when I play.
How do you teach a sucker to pay you $50 and $15 every month?
1. Develop and launch Vanguard.
hehe i thought the op was out of line also, nice comeback. but i do not play v-gaurd so...*shrug*
and to the op. remember if you want to be treated as uneducated i am sure this board can do that, remember opinion, not opinionated. get that through your thick
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
LOL you amateur... You think Vanguard is some harcore game?!! Flipping WOW has a more complex character evolution ladder than Vanguard. Pretty muhc ANY game except EQ II is more advanced that this little WoW copy... I can not imagine what kind of game players come from that think Vanguard is the height of advanced games..
Calling others carebear... You are playing a game a 3 year old could understand, build and advance a character in of any class. Believe me a large portion of people that dislike Vanguard do it because its just a continuation of WoW and not even close to the real MMOs of old, games where you actually got something for the money, and your decisions actually meant something,not just another action game in a bland world. Have fun with your little illusions, kiddo. You fit perfectly among the Vanguard crowd, where all facts are drawn from fantasy and ego. You really impressed me, anyway.
Carebear was the wrong way for the O.P. to put it most assuredly. However, I have noticed from listening to general chat that players who are impatient have a difficult time in Vanguard. People who for instance want to just run straight to their next destination rather than going around aggro mobs carefully will be doing a corpse run, and for some that is too high a price for dying.
Some players do expect things to be a lot faster and easier than Vanguard seems to allow these days, this is inarguable. We all get our fun in different ways. For some Vanguard is too tedious and for some, other games are too fast and easy. Neither is wrong nor right. We are all different.
But don't tell me a 3 year old could play Vanguard. My 12 year old nephew has a level 63 dwarven priest on one of the PVP servers in WoW. Guess what? No 12 year old is getting to max level in Vanguard, ever. It is damn difficult and you better know how to play and not be sloppy, or you'll be treading experience forever.
LOL you amateur... You think Vanguard is some harcore game?!! Flipping WOW has a more complex character evolution ladder than Vanguard. Pretty muhc ANY game except EQ II is more advanced that this little WoW copy... I can not imagine what kind of game players come from that think Vanguard is the height of advanced games..
Calling others carebear... You are playing a game a 3 year old could understand, build and advance a character in of any class. Believe me a large portion of people that dislike Vanguard do it because its just a continuation of WoW and not even close to the real MMOs of old, games where you actually got something for the money, and your decisions actually meant something,not just another action game in a bland world. Have fun with your little illusions, kiddo. You fit perfectly among the Vanguard crowd, where all facts are drawn from fantasy and ego. You really impressed me, anyway.
Have you played either WoW or VG then? It would seem not since you already know at lvl 4 how you character will progress through WoW all the way up to lvl 70. And WoW is probably the most mindless game you there, even a 3 year old could play it.
I was infact quite happy with diplomatic system in VG, finally a game which actually required more IQ than the average monkey.
But maybe that also explains why my level as a diplomat is twice as high as my adventuring lvl.
As for character progress, you get to chose how many points you want to spend in str, dex, int, etc.. Instead of just having the points handed out to you.
And as for being a WoW copy? Haven't seen many games which doesn't look like WoW, LoTRO will basically be WoW with new graphics and new characters (except for pvp of course). But can game developers actually be blamed for this? It's simple and smart to do this since almost every mmo player has played WoW. Meaning that controls and UI is easy to familiarise with.
This thread is exactly why I believe that beta players should pay to beta.
These projects are getting way too big and costly, way too fast. I was reading that if you wanted to bring a AAA MMORPG to market in three years, you best have $60 to $100 million starting capital to make it happen or you'll fall short. That is an aweful lot of money to gamble with when the average game only gets about 150,000 if it makes it to market. That is only about $2,250,000 a month in subscription fees. It takes a long time to make back $100 million at that rate. Let's face it, they all will not be WoW with nearly 10 million subscribers.
Too many times all you get is beta jumpers that have no desire to pay to play a game. All they want is the next free ride.
People say you shouldn't pay to beta a game. I beg to differ. Lets look at DDO and Vanguard. Both of those games release beta games that the fans are going to be paying $15 a month for at least year or more until these games are "right". Why do fans do this? Because these games have potential. I would argue that the game has just as much potential in beta as in go live when they release a game in the state that say Vanguard was released in.
Have 25,000 pre-order boxes that are guaranteed beta slots starting with your first stage of closed beta. Let it be known that it is beta and what they can expect, server wipes and all. Have the people pay $10 a month during beta. This will more than pay for your bandwidth and the interests on your loans so you can keep the development going. At the conclusion of beta you can thank your beta testers with signed art work, signed copies of the game, or even stock in the company for helping you financially through beta. There are many ways to thank them.
You'd be surprised how many people that would pay monthly to beta a game. Not only do you build a loyal fanbase, you keep out the beta jumpers that only wanted a free ride anyway. Does it mean the competition will have access to your game faster? I doubt it, because they are already in your beta. People that want to know about your game are gonna find ways to get in.
My whole idea for people paying to beta is to keep companies like Sigil with games that have HUGE potential from running out of money and being forced to launch in a early beta state. Another year, and I believe this game would have been the next gorilla on the block. Now, AoC and WAR have a huge opportunity to pick up a lot of disgruntled gamers.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Like the wonderfull gentleman a few posts up can make the claim he is smarter, more mature, and more sophisticated based on playing Vanguard.
Because clearly his diplomacy in game is high, since he owns at a card game that must mean hes smarter then the average mmo fan and WoW kiddies wouldint stand a chance in this world. Because clearly it takes a mature, wise person, unlike all the other buffons that play the other easy mode mmo's.
Play an RTS game on hard mode, then you can argue about intelligence, but dont claim you got skills because you have gotten used to wack a mole mmo's over the years. Even then its trivial, because you are playing a freakin game and argueing about being smarter, it reaks of arrogance and its too ironic not to point out.
The only people that point out how amazing and intelligent they are compared to others, are the ones that are insecure about their own stupidity. Ide rather accomplish things in life to be proud of and feel good about myself, i dont need a game to feel classy, thanks.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
LOL you amateur... You think Vanguard is some harcore game?!! Flipping WOW has a more complex character evolution ladder than Vanguard. Pretty muhc ANY game except EQ II is more advanced that this little WoW copy... I can not imagine what kind of game players come from that think Vanguard is the height of advanced games..
Calling others carebear... You are playing a game a 3 year old could understand, build and advance a character in of any class. Believe me a large portion of people that dislike Vanguard do it because its just a continuation of WoW and not even close to the real MMOs of old, games where you actually got something for the money, and your decisions actually meant something,not just another action game in a bland world. Have fun with your little illusions, kiddo. You fit perfectly among the Vanguard crowd, where all facts are drawn from fantasy and ego. You really impressed me, anyway.
Have you played either WoW or VG then? It would seem not since you already know at lvl 4 how you character will progress through WoW all the way up to lvl 70. And WoW is probably the most mindless game you there, even a 3 year old could play it.
I was infact quite happy with diplomatic system in VG, finally a game which actually required more IQ than the average monkey.
But maybe that also explains why my level as a diplomat is twice as high as my adventuring lvl.
As for character progress, you get to chose how many points you want to spend in str, dex, int, etc.. Instead of just having the points handed out to you.
And as for being a WoW copy? Haven't seen many games which doesn't look like WoW, LoTRO will basically be WoW with new graphics and new characters (except for pvp of course). But can game developers actually be blamed for this? It's simple and smart to do this since almost every mmo player has played WoW. Meaning that controls and UI is easy to familiarise with.
You get an experience penalty for dying and levelling takes longer. That's essentially it, that doesn't make VG more challenging or complex then WoW, honestly it doesn't. Granted it has more features then WoW, but it isn't more complex. I played till level 15 in VG and didn't find it challenging at all its just an extended time-sink made more obvious because it wasn't well put together. I didn't want everything served to me on a silver platter as all WoW players are assumed to want. I wanted a quality experience that wasn't riddled with bugs that should not have been there at release. I ran into so many bugs including broken quests. My whole group had to cancel some phase stones quest because crap wasn't updated properly. I was getting stuck in weird places and I was even stuck in a tree once. But more importantly the game is just dull, it really is.
And WoW isn't mindless, believe it or not. You actually need skill to play good especially 1 on 1 in pvp and in alot of the instances in the BC expansion.
They are both time sinks, just different. Both are no more or no less challenging then the other, WoW just gives you more options to solo before you have to start raiding. Technically you would solo all the way to 60 then the fun stoped because you had the same element that existed in other mmo's that took way to much time.
It may have been quick to get to 60, but WoW is more gear then level dependant, which just makes it have a whole other set of problems. In the end people that are defending Vanguard and bashing WoW, are bashing the same premise, its still mostly a raid game.
All _I_ ask for is a game that doesn't lock up every hour or two, forcing a hardware reboot. With a 3.5 GHz Intel processor, a gig of RAM and an X800 graphics card, I don't see where my system falls short...it certainly has no issues with any other MMO out there.
Nah seriously, I'm just lvl 6 adventurer and 12 diplomat, but I refrained from mentioning exact lvl because I thought the replies would be something like: "Your'e just lvl 6 you noob! Shut up you know nothing of the game yet! I was lvl 18 in beta so I know everything!".
What I meant was that it was nice to finally get to play an mmorpg where one major part of a game isn't just grinding various mobs. I'm sick of grinding therefore I spend time at diplomacy for the moment.
Maybe you shouldn't be so aggressive against other members of the community if you already have a big problem with it?
And launching an incomplete product, then begging for fans to stick with it is just lame. Brad got stuck in the past, I think his genius ends with VG, there are new visionaries, rest now Brad.
In WoW you can right-click the enemy and go do something else and still win. In VG it's constant use of various abilities which you must use to survive. Thus is the game more difficult.
I don't know about anyone else, but I've certainly never walked away during combat in WoW. And when I'm in combat, I'm doing more than just standing there whacking away at the mob. My Paladin wouldn't be very effective if I wasn't in there activating her seals and judgements, and since I duo all the time-- even in dungeons-- keeping the aggro on me and away from my partner is key. There's also the added role of healing them or myself if we get into trouble.
If I just right clicked a mob and went AFK to do something else, then things would go very wrong very quickly. Why? Because I have to constantly use various spells and abilities to be able to survive. Just like Vanguard.
a caster who does not cast a spell is going to get owned.
It is truly gratifying to see someone demonstrate their deep understanding of the game mechanics of a
competing game.
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
LOL you amateur... You think Vanguard is some harcore game?!! Flipping WOW has a more complex character evolution ladder than Vanguard. Pretty muhc ANY game except EQ II is more advanced that this little WoW copy... I can not imagine what kind of game players come from that think Vanguard is the height of advanced games..
Calling others carebear... You are playing a game a 3 year old could understand, build and advance a character in of any class. Believe me a large portion of people that dislike Vanguard do it because its just a continuation of WoW and not even close to the real MMOs of old, games where you actually got something for the money, and your decisions actually meant something,not just another action game in a bland world. Have fun with your little illusions, kiddo. You fit perfectly among the Vanguard crowd, where all facts are drawn from fantasy and ego. You really impressed me, anyway.
Carebear was the wrong way for the O.P. to put it most assuredly. However, I have noticed from listening to general chat that players who are impatient have a difficult time in Vanguard. People who for instance want to just run straight to their next destination rather than going around aggro mobs carefully will be doing a corpse run, and for some that is too high a price for dying.
Some players do expect things to be a lot faster and easier than Vanguard seems to allow these days, this is inarguable. We all get our fun in different ways. For some Vanguard is too tedious and for some, other games are too fast and easy. Neither is wrong nor right. We are all different.
But don't tell me a 3 year old could play Vanguard. My 12 year old nephew has a level 63 dwarven priest on one of the PVP servers in WoW. Guess what? No 12 year old is getting to max level in Vanguard, ever. It is damn difficult and you better know how to play and not be sloppy, or you'll be treading experience forever.
Vangaurd is not a game of skill. I think certain types of players need to give the impression that it is a game of skill. It might be to stroke their own ego or to try to impress other people. Maybe they are embarrassed that video games are considered by many to be a childish pasttime so they need to make it about skill to distance themselves from all those other childish games. Which is why I think they keep telling the kiddies to go back to WoW.