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A Quick Question for Dundee ( no flames )
OldManSweeny
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Hey, i don't know if you can or will answer this.... but just after the NGE went live and the SWG forums got soaked in petrol, at any time was the notion of a Rollback or Seperate Classic Ruleset Servers put forward? By that i mean was it (at the time i guess) ever a serious and viable option available to the Devs?
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Lawl. Yes it is a tad strong. Still i'm not going to flame any response to this thread. That sig has now been changed.
I am very interested in an answer ( provided one can be given ). If its already been answered well and good. Still i would like to hear Dundee's take on the situation.
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And, a further question for consideration: Dundee has already said/been quoted saying that management knew that the current player-base wouldnt take the NGE but did they expect the fifty odd litres of bile that daily drenched the forums?
I'm not finger pointing or blaming, just would love to hear what the feelings and thoughs were during NGE launch.
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But, I believe they've talked about it like 5-6 months after they've released NGE and they might still be talking from time to time.
Developers should be like servers of the dark lord, all of them know and think about the truth, but none of them talks about it.
Interesting question. A roll back now is problematic because of all of players that have been living with and advancing in the NGE for over a year, but right after the NGE was launched that wasn't an impediment.
My guess is that he will say they (or at least some of the team) knew what actually happened was a risk, and when it actually happened they felt like it was worth ridding it out because of the hoped they the NGE would attract a greater number of new players to the game, which was the point of the NGE in the first place. Perhaps they thought that in time most people would just accept it, like many did with the CU.
Regarding the question of why we want to know, for me its mainly curiosity.
Reverting game to PreNGE is the only way that they could do, but it would cost them too much.
True, the original playerbase was considered sacrificial for the mythical player population they were chasing, but it was painfully evident within even a month that the NGE was a complete fiasco which cost $OE 150K+ subscriptions with little in the way of new players. I would think someone at $OE considered trying to get the original playerbase back quickly. Even half of them is more than what they have now.
I have to think at first launch they expected that kind of flame... which in it's own right is fucked up.
Not only did SOE intend on shiting on people BUT THEY grabed extra forum mods knowing it would be bad, in effect actually knowingly pissing people off and then pretty much telling them "tough"...
Ironic that it came to bite them in the ass with subs so low that they now are trying to figure out a way to merge servers lol.
I love KARMA... as I said in my old old posts on the SOE boards.... KARMA is a bitch... it will win and has.... and still is actually, with the awards, bad press and the bottom line it pretty much did as expected.
I did however expect this all to happen approx 4 months sooner though. I was off on the timing of it.
But hey... I am not perfect.... lol
It was funny though.... I swear I saw this posted somewhere... it said.... "SOE you screwed up and in a year or so when your trying to merge servers because of this you will then regret it"......
HA.. how funny
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
It's really as simple as this:
They thought that making the game easy + Jedi from the beginning + marketing campaign = 1 million+ casual Star Wars fans jumping in to replace all of us.
They only even started talking to us again when it became obvious that the reaction was NOTHING like they expected or even imagined, and they never anticipated that we'd be loud enough to get press that was so prominent that it easily undid their marketing.
We were never part of the equation, we were expendable. We were to be replaced by a larger player base that had much lower expectations. It turned out that we were invaluable and THEY (SOE/LEC) were the ones that were expendable.
If they thought a dumbed down easy game with free Jedi would bring in a new customer base, the RIGHT way to do it would have been to open up the NGE as an alternate game with it's own servers and left us and our game alone. No one would have had a problem with it, they wouldn't have gotten ANY bad press (well, except that their MMO sucked as a MMO).
SOE/LEC's failure to do what was ethical and moral has cost them millions of dollars. For once pure greed and lack of morals has been rewarded justly.
Now, what SOE/LEC do NOT realize that with respect to MMOs, both companies are tainted UNTIL they do something to "make right" the wrongs of 2005. Until the NGE is put to rest both companies are going to continue to be hurt by it. Allowing the "ducks" to do their thing without suing them is not good enough.
Man I wish I could see the old boards...
I said it before I will say it again...
Karma.... it did win.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Wait.....unethical decisions......cheating people for their money.....isn't that what Sony as a whole does? And wait.....don't they always win and are one of the biggest companies in the world?
Yeah...this is definately our fault for having such a stupid human existence to allowing companies like SOE exist.
I'll conclude with a message to Dundee...
Geeks like you give a bad name to us sit-on-our-asses-all-day-wasting-human-air-doing-nothing-but-playing-video-games-and-making-money-for-it-and-love-new-ways-of-making-fun-of-things-much-greater-than-you-because-you've-got-nothing-to-be-proud-of geeks.
They've only said "We didn't roll it out right". They never said "This game sucks ass".
The players did.
They all thought, and probably still think, that the nge was a good decision and game it was just IMPLIMENTED wrong.They still believe that with work, this game will be playable. They talk as if the game can be redeemed.
They're still wrong. That's their final answer.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
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Hey dude, have faith that your younger than Smedley therefore in our lifetime there is chance that SoE will become a good company.
I'm 19 so I think I'll be 30-35 when Smedley retires.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
But, as you see with one crap bs, a company can gain "piece of shit" name in the business.
Even people, who never played SWG, started talking like "SOE suxx", because of all articles, news etc. about SOE.
Surely you jest...
just a reminder so we stay on target - good question, hopefully Dundee can answer it.
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just a reminder so we stay on target - good question, hopefully Dundee can answer it.
Opps! Sorry about the last bit of the question! Should of remembered it's a no go!
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This is one thread I have been watching, just to see if that guy calling himself Jeff Freeman had the intestinal fortitude to answer a very simple and direct question.
From the moment I saw this posted I knew he wouldn't reply. He might now tho. But he won't answer the question.
This is one thread I have been watching, just to see if that guy calling himself Jeff Freeman had the intestinal fortitude to answer a very simple and direct question.
From the moment I saw this posted I knew he wouldn't reply. He might now tho. But he won't answer the question.
Oh, reverse psychology with all the loopholes covered. You must have had a clever DM with a special fondness for evil genies at some point in your gaming career.
I'm very carefully considering whither questions to answer, with a heavy bias for not.
Jeff Freeman
This is one thread I have been watching, just to see if that guy calling himself Jeff Freeman had the intestinal fortitude to answer a very simple and direct question.
From the moment I saw this posted I knew he wouldn't reply. He might now tho. But he won't answer the question.
Oh, reverse psychology with all the loopholes covered. You must have had a clever DM with a special fondness for evil genies at some point in your gaming career.
I'm very carefully considering whither questions to answer, with a heavy bias for not.
hmmm yes indeed, and I am noticing you are still ignoring my question as well.
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