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producer's letter tomorrow *wince*
Chale
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http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=263487
Producer Letter/Chapter 6 Outline Coming Tomorrow 3/1!
Hey everyone -
We just wanted to give you a heads-up that tomorrow afternoon at approximately 3pm Central time, we'll be releasing a Producer's Letter that will discuss some future content plans for Star Wars Galaxies. We'll link to the letter and create a couple of threads here on the message board for you to discuss the information. We'll also have members of the Dev Team on hand to answer any questions you might have. We hope to see you back here tomorrow and look forward to talking to you!
we all know what those things lead too hahah
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both my accounts are cancelled as well as both of my friends accounts.
Fun
Upbeat
Blast
Away
Revamp
Tillamook that is the smed side calling you! You know it to be true. Don't give in to your fear and anger!
I can safely say I aint subbed to it since NGE launched and will continue the bashing of all that is NGE!
Anyway, maybe they're gonna announce classic servers in the letter? Remember the phrase "the CU is here to stay" look what happened then, so all this "the NGE is here to stay" and the "no way are we doing classic" is actually them taking steps to bring classic back?
lol
Whenever I hear SOE talk about "future content plans" I keep thinking about dangling carrots - so close yet so far away.
Its alright, I will stand with you!
I've cancelled one of my twelve accounts! You and me can stand together in unsubscriberness, when I'm not playing the other eleven accounts!
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Just like last year, they always make promises at this time of year.
I quit, my brother quit, all my brother's xbox live friends have quit since the release of the CU.
You ain't that different.
BTW Pre-Combat Upgrade for the mother flipping win and for the mother flippin' last time. I'm getting tired of waiting for the revamp.
Consider that less than half the stuff they promised last year happened, figure on at least that much if not more not happening this time.
I also doubt they promise enough to impress anyone given they have a FAR smaller Dev team than a year ago.
What! *cough*.... wha wha?
Not a chance in Hell...and no there is no future this is sooooo damage control ... they put this out to ease minds and set-em up.
So far each time these have came... well yeah, it was a train wreck.
Hell, who the crap is even the producer now? Julio? Wan? Rico? at this point I know a homeless guy down the street that could do a good job I think.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Here's the whole thing, we have a game that just didn't cut it with any system. Before you scream and tell me everyone in the world loved the Pre-CU, remember that system got bad to so/so reviews, had players leaving for other shores (WoW, EQ2) and was the same as the NGE in someways, buggy with little to no balance in pvp, with almost no content thanks to Raph's "Players make the content!"
So lets go over all the rumors flying around about it.
Classic Servers/Rollback,
A big no on a Pre-CU Classic Server/Rollback. That system hasn't been used in over 2 years, it's hard to say if RoTW/ToOW would work with it. It hasn't had any work done on it in two years. Not only that lets face it, for the first few weeks the Vets would be happy then we'd have the same whining, same moaning, same flames on the fourms about it! I hate to use a wrestling term, but it would be like Hulk Hogan coming back into the WWE today and being given the title. He'd get a ton of cheers the first few weeks, then everyone is going to remember that he's 55 and well sucks as a wrestler.
New Revamp,
Again no I think SOE is done with game revamps and the like. It's clear that SOE is sticking with the NGE this time around, and most likely they know that another revamp will just hurt the game in the long run. Maybe a new game Engine (something that 'would' help SWG out as it does look it's age.) But I don't think this is the case.
Server Merger,
Maybe and a big 'maybe' at that. It would help the game out alot right now, however it does have to be done right. And be worded the right way as well. I'd say just allow a free transfer with all datapad items, have a house/city clean up that way new citys can be started.
New Content,
Well they did say 'content' so lets look at how this can go.
First and formost last year they tried the big pvp content (GCW Revamp, Restuss, PvP Bases) and dare I say all 3 failed big time. The thing is PvP tends to bring out the worst in the playerbase and dare I say is WHY we're at the point we're at today with SWG. Don't believe me? Look at UO in it's PvP years with pking, 1998 till 2000. You had a good deal of players getting fed up and leaving UO for EQ. You had the Player Killers getting out of control in some cases, outside the hardcore gamer playerbase PvP isn't too well liked. Yes there does need to be PvP Content, and yes there is a 'War' in 'Star Wars' however look at what the movies, books, comicbooks, and other games where about. Adventure, the war was just a backdrop too that. Look at the Indiana Jones movies, they took place in World War 2, and yes the Germans did show up in them. But it wasn't Indy running around in big battles with the Germans, it was about his adventures.
Now SOE has shown that it can do some really good content with their games. I know ever EQ2 player I talked to loved the last add-on for EQ2. SOE has a TON of background stuff for SWG that they can use. Look at how many books, video games, comicbooks and info is out there about Star Wars. Dare I say it's ALOT more then Star Trek or other Sci-Fi/Fantasy books/games/comics/movies out. SWG has an insanely good Space System that is underrated and can be made better as well. Infact alot of the guys at SWG worked on UO! They should know by now that reguardless of whatever system is in the game, a lack of content will make the playerbase bored. Bored Players lead to players screaming about being bored. Alot of you claim that "Pre-CU made us feel more 'part' of the game." I say it didn't as someone who hated grinding and wanted some on going storyline and more things to do besides, grind, loot hunt.
If SOE desides we need more things like the GCW System or Restuss then they just don't know what they are doing. Putting Quests and a Storyline into the game would make the game alot better for the players.
SWG Shutdown,
Really right now SWG is not doing all that bad believe it or not. SOE has games that have a less amount of players then SWG (Matrix Online, Planetside) there are other MMO's that are much, much, much worse off then SWG (Dark and Light, RF Online, City of Heroes/Villains is starting to feel the hurt from what I've heard.) Not only that I think we can all safely say that LA wants to keep the game around this year for the Star Wars 30th. I think LA could careless at this point and just wants to say "Yeah we have a Star Wars MMO that's going too!"
Really this is how I look at it, SWG is a game that just hasn't found it's place. It's the middle child of the MMO World. Stuck in the middle of the old MMO's like EQ and UO. And has EQ2 and WoW that took a good chunk out of it after. It's a game that 'can' be good even now. Rollbacks, Revamps, looking at the past, is not going to help the game in the long run. It didn't with Ultima Online when I played it back when Trammel came out. SOE needs to stop hearing the whiners out and or doing whatever they feel is 'best' for the game. The Trader Revamp didn't work, rather then hear the middle ground players out on some things with Traders (IE a balance of looted and crafted, Decay but not at the levels it was at before and allowing crafters to fully repair the items.) They heard the whiners who screamed for No Decay. SOE needs to start talking to the players that (btw this maybe insane) play the game! Take it from me, I've been playing MMO's from UO day friggen one, you will never make the whiners happy. Not only that you will never make 100% of the playerbase of your game happy.
To use a term out of Baseball, last year up till Chapter 6 was SWG's rebuilding phase. Now they need to really get there act going and work on the game.
Anyway, roll-back is impossible for SOE, I also don't think they would revert things back to PreCU or CU.
However, whatever people say, even SOE knows classic servers would bring some players, at least more players than current NGE has.
People, who want classic servers, also say that game will never hit millions, everyone knows it had bugs. But we loved its system. Whines, moans, cries are in all games. They were popular in SWG, because every players were reading forums. Everyone was checking the trade forums, galaxy forums, guide, game play or any other thing. Because, you needed to do it. The game wasn't just "log-in and start fighting". You had to know what to do when.
Anyway, roll-back is impossible for SOE, I also don't think they would revert things back to PreCU or CU.
However, whatever people say, even SOE knows classic servers would bring some players, at least more players than current NGE has.
People, who want classic servers, also say that game will never hit millions, everyone knows it had bugs. But we loved its system. Whines, moans, cries are in all games. They were popular in SWG, because every players were reading forums. Everyone was checking the trade forums, galaxy forums, guide, game play or any other thing. Because, you needed to do it. The game wasn't just "log-in and start fighting". You had to know what to do when. Yeah it was bad but well anything with the letters 'WWE' end up being bad.
The thing is if you look at most of the new games coming out look at how they are, dumbed down. I have friends in real life who hate Rainbow 6:Vegas cuz it's not like Rainbow 6:Rouge Spear. UO is a great to bring up cuz it's NGE was taking Player Killing out of the game. Yes some players where happy that now then could hunt and mine in peace, however ALOT of players where unhappy with that change. To them it was the death of UO.
Now I'm not going to say a Classic Server would never work, I will be real and say that 'if' (big if there) SOE ever did a classic server chances are it would be CU. And yes SWG is never going to hit the WoW marker, remember WoW gets a ton of it's players from Overseas. Still yes players would come back for a classic server, but the question would really be for how long? Not only that alot of those Pre-CU Players where players playing SWG untill the next best thing came out. Alot of those Vets have stated that even if Classic Servers came back, they wouldn't come back. The thing is yes they can do a classic server, but in the end your still left with a system that hasn't been updated in two years. And the samethings players cried about back then will come right back later on.
The fault with the NGE really is, SOE hasn't learned anything from it. Look at every other game on the market and you'll see that they add new content, new systems, new classes, new things to the game. SOE 'needs' to stop hearing the whiners out and needs to look at the groups of players that do like SWG in whatever system it's in and work with them to make the game better. Rather then just go back to the nerf/revamp fest of the past and putting out whatever they feel is best. Moving forward is the best step they can make with SWG.
Anyway, roll-back is impossible for SOE, I also don't think they would revert things back to PreCU or CU.
However, whatever people say, even SOE knows classic servers would bring some players, at least more players than current NGE has.
People, who want classic servers, also say that game will never hit millions, everyone knows it had bugs. But we loved its system. Whines, moans, cries are in all games. They were popular in SWG, because every players were reading forums. Everyone was checking the trade forums, galaxy forums, guide, game play or any other thing. Because, you needed to do it. The game wasn't just "log-in and start fighting". You had to know what to do when. Yeah it was bad but well anything with the letters 'WWE' end up being bad.
The thing is if you look at most of the new games coming out look at how they are, dumbed down. I have friends in real life who hate Rainbow 6:Vegas cuz it's not like Rainbow 6:Rouge Spear. UO is a great to bring up cuz it's NGE was taking Player Killing out of the game. Yes some players where happy that now then could hunt and mine in peace, however ALOT of players where unhappy with that change. To them it was the death of UO.
Now I'm not going to say a Classic Server would never work, I will be real and say that 'if' (big if there) SOE ever did a classic server chances are it would be CU. And yes SWG is never going to hit the WoW marker, remember WoW gets a ton of it's players from Overseas. Still yes players would come back for a classic server, but the question would really be for how long? Not only that alot of those Pre-CU Players where players playing SWG untill the next best thing came out. Alot of those Vets have stated that even if Classic Servers came back, they wouldn't come back. The thing is yes they can do a classic server, but in the end your still left with a system that hasn't been updated in two years. And the samethings players cried about back then will come right back later on.
The fault with the NGE really is, SOE hasn't learned anything from it. Look at every other game on the market and you'll see that they add new content, new systems, new classes, new things to the game. SOE 'needs' to stop hearing the whiners out and needs to look at the groups of players that do like SWG in whatever system it's in and work with them to make the game better. Rather then just go back to the nerf/revamp fest of the past and putting out whatever they feel is best. Moving forward is the best step they can make with SWG. You say old game hasn't been updated, but it's because the game wasn't here.
We see NGE, I also played. It's been here for more than 1 year but, it's far from being good like PreCU or CU days. I'm not talking about game system (combat, professions etc.). All of them were like different games. Fact is, NGE is the most buggy one, still.
At publish 14, game was ok. I know there were many Jedi, DoTs etc. But was it too hard to "fix"?
At publish 24, game was ok. There wasn't any "big" problem for players. It needed a few content, PvE places etc. Was it too hard to add?
But, that's right. We always said SOE never listen customers, seems they did during PreNGE, they listened people who were yelling "Nerf this!" and they nerf'd. Pretty well.
But, I'll say again. Going with NGE doesn't mean moving forward...
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
The problem wasn't the system, it was $OE being dumbasses and not fixing the bugs. If they spent time actually fixing any bugs with the pre-nge system and adding content the game would still be hugely populated now.
There were loads of planets with little to no content on them. Yet they still added expansions and changed systems instead of working with what they had!
The JTLS expansion was the only one that was necessary, and it was awsome and added to the game hugely. But again was released too soon with out the bugs fixed. Look at WOW, they delay their expansion until its READY and look at the reviews and success they have.
so instead of trying to make a quick buck in the short term, they could have made huge bucks in the long run by providing us with content filled planets and a smooth bug free game.
Never seen something like that before.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
And just after that, pigs will come flying through my window. They won't do it for us. Believe me, I miss it just as much as the next guy, but it's not happening.
They'll run with NGE to the end first.
SWG Team Mtg.
TBH I believe the announcement today will be the same old rhetoric that in the end has very little facts or timetables.
Sadly, there will also be many diehards who will continue patting SOE on the back with words of encouragement like "great job! I can't wait to see these (non-descript) plans implemented" .
And just after that, pigs will come flying through my window. They won't do it for us. Believe me, I miss it just as much as the next guy, but it's not happening.
They'll run with NGE to the end first.
Lol! Very very true, however with the *not to be spoken of* project making good headway someone at SOE has to have seen it, maybe even hopped into the stress test and thought OMFG! they have more people here just jerking off than there are logged into bria!Smedley had said it was impossible, a handful of college students have proven that it is in fact possible. I realize common sense isnt exactly one of the gifts that people at soe, seemingly, have in abundance but still. As the voice said in Field of Dreams, "Build it and they will come."
With that said, I imagine it'll be closer to what was snipped :P
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012