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Vanguard Update #1

We can get to the bashing and loving of the game later...

For those who are interested, the Sigil guys are adding some cool new stuff.  Take a look:

http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/newsArchive.vm?id=074&section=News

 

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  • CarpeNoctumXCarpeNoctumX Member Posts: 33
    Why the hell are they spending their time making new stuff when the stuff that's there is broken? They need to fix all the problems we currently have before they even bother giving us something new. New weapons? How about Sigil optomizes their game better instead, so people can actually run their game at decent frame rates and less bugs? Thanks, but no thanks Sigil.

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  • XImpalerXXImpalerX Member UncommonPosts: 606
       Oh so they are releasing content that was already made and not included in Launch to make it look like they are adding new content..



       i would have rather seen 6 new spell animations and 4 new hairstyles than that crap.
  • ShadrakShadrak Member Posts: 375
    anyhting is better than nothing.
  • stylee99stylee99 Member Posts: 116
    Originally posted by CarpeNoctumX

    Why the hell are they spending their time making new stuff when the stuff that's there is broken? They need to fix all the problems we currently have before they even bother giving us something new. New weapons? How about Sigil optomizes their game better instead, so people can actually run their game at decent frame rates and less bugs? Thanks, but no thanks Sigil.
    Different people work on different things...plus, that page didn't have the bug fixes. The guy that designs a sword doesn't work on finding out where the coding went wrong when you get a ctd, etc..
  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509
    Originally posted by XImpalerX

       Oh so they are releasing content that was already made and not included in Launch to make it look like they are adding new content..



       i would have rather seen 6 new spell animations and 4 new hairstyles than that crap.



    Yeah to be honest, I'm a little comfounded by that one too...

    Who knows? Maybe it's content they've actually created in the last month? Is that even possible?

    Either way, you have ot admit, it's one heck of a marketing ploy to get people over that 30 day trial and into the second month :).

  • XImpalerXXImpalerX Member UncommonPosts: 606
    Originally posted by shae

    Originally posted by XImpalerX

       Oh so they are releasing content that was already made and not included in Launch to make it look like they are adding new content..



       i would have rather seen 6 new spell animations and 4 new hairstyles than that crap.



    Yeah to be honest, I'm a little comfounded by that one too...

    Who knows? Maybe it's content they've actually created in the last month? Is that even possible?

    Either way, you have ot admit, it's one heck of a marketing ploy to get people over that 30 day trial and into the second month :).

     

      LOL if they did make that "New Content" in the last month...would explain the station price increase. They have to raise money so Brad can pay his modelers/animators.

  • wmbyrnewmbyrne Member Posts: 35
    I'm sure it was stuff in the pipeline, so to speak.  I figure i will keep tabs on this game and come back in a few months, but with all the bad buzz. i don't think it will ever recover.  I mean bragging about how hard core this game is.  Was not the best marketing strategy, Sigil could of used 
  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    New stuff for Thestra and Qalia, Kojan still sucks content wise though. Kojan was the last of the continents to be modeled, and was never properly completed. Thestra was the first completed, and already has content out the kazoo.

    I would hazard a guess that this stuff was in the pipeline already. If not, it is a damn shame they upgraded Thestra over Kojan, shows a misdirection in priorities.

     

  • redelf07redelf07 Member Posts: 156
    Originally posted by olddaddy


    New stuff for Thestra and Qalia, Kojan still sucks content wise though. Kojan was the last of the continents to be modeled, and was never properly completed. Thestra was the first completed, and already has content out the kazoo.
    I would hazard a guess that this stuff was in the pipeline already. If not, it is a damn shame they upgraded Thestra over Kojan, shows a misdirection in priorities.
     
    They should probably hire you to set them straight.

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  • godpuppetgodpuppet Member Posts: 1,416
    What game are Sigil playing?



    EVERYONE knows there are bugs in this game. EVERYONE has FPS issues. EVERYONE is patiently waiting for them to identify these issues and correct them. YET their efforts are concentrated on "dungeon lighting", can I say a big resounding WHAT THE FUCK??? Are they on a self destruction mission.



    Granted Sigil are not a part of SoE, but this is somewhat firmiliar to the attitude that SoE have had will all their rush release games. Pretend everythings OK and feed people some bait to get them to pay another $10...



    Patch Prioritys Order:



    1. BUGS

    2. FPS.

    3. NEW CONTENT





    Get your act together Sigil...

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  • LordCaptainLordCaptain Member Posts: 178
    The bugs, definatly, I agree with you there.



    However, they may not know how to fix the FPS... Mabey it has something to do with the world not having zones... There could be all sorts of reasons why...



    but yeah, fix some bugs and animations :P
  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    I have to say this:



    I paid the game.  I'm planning to play for a while.  I'm paying a monthly fee.  I demand this kind of content and patches (they do kill bugs).  I'm not sure that this content was in beta.  I never saw those weapon skins and npcs or dungeons, lands or caves.  I'm paying for it.  I'm paying for a service.



    In the end, a good deal of people already decided that they are gonna play the game.  They can deal with the bugs and they think their performance is ok.  So what?



    My specs:



    core 2 duo 6300

    ati x1300 agp 512mo

    2g ddr 667

    IDE hard drives



    Works well.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • rounnerrounner Member UncommonPosts: 725
    I'm paying too and will keep playing for a while. I understand that modellers do not fix bugs. What I dont understand is prioritising new weapons and monsters over putting helmets in and fixing existing sub par animations.
  • turbohaleturbohale Member Posts: 33

    Yaaaaay, more bugged content added to a painful, flawed, lame ass game.  Shows where sigils priority's are, I can probably see the below scenario in SOE/SIGIL offices.....

    1)Hmm loads of people are cancelling their subs cause the game is shit

    2)I know lets release some new content to try and blind people (that probable isnt ready to release)

    3)But what about fixing the game as it is first?

    4)Balls to em, they are gonna pay their money anyway.....

  • niteflynitefly Member Posts: 340
    Originally posted by Tnice


    We can get to the bashing and loving of the game later...
    For those who are interested, the Sigil guys are adding some cool new stuff.  Take a look:
    http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/newsArchive.vm?id=074&section=News
     
    I don't really care if it was in the pipeline (which is most propably was, otherwise they have one massive development department), I like new content.



    I'm also not really into whether or not they fix performace as that's very much an individual problem I have found. Me and most of the people I game with upgrade their systems every 2 to 6 months so we have simply installed the game and went on playing. If you're behind the curve, you'll suffer and even though that might seem like a bad marketing plan (your game is inaccessible to some players) I don't know for sure. If you have an old computer you can still play MMOs and as you do you find out if other content is more to your liking. Vanguard has the whole "deep crafting, huge world, build a city, build a ship, conquer and become your own Faction" thing going for it in the long run which not many of the other Fantasy MMOs offer and even if some people don't like SOE, they do have a lot of money and will not go out of business tomorrow nor are they likely to scrap a game that isn't initially as successful as other games has been.



    Bring on the new places to visit and explore and stabilize the current content in the same pace they have done so far, then I'm pretty contend.
  • Originally posted by godpuppet

    What game are Sigil playing?



    EVERYONE knows there are bugs in this game. EVERYONE has FPS issues. EVERYONE is patiently waiting for them to identify these issues and correct them. YET their efforts are concentrated on "dungeon lighting", can I say a big resounding WHAT THE FUCK??? Are they on a self destruction mission.



    Granted Sigil are not a part of SoE, but this is somewhat firmiliar to the attitude that SoE have had will all their rush release games. Pretend everythings OK and feed people some bait to get them to pay another $10...



    Patch Prioritys Order:



    1. BUGS

    2. FPS.

    3. NEW CONTENT





    Get your act together Sigil...

     

    The last couple of patches were by and large aimed at bugs...

     - Build 1758a
     - Build 1758
     - Build 1752
     - Build 1741
     - Build 1737
     - Build 1733
     - Build 1728
     - Build 1726
     - Build 1725



  • DMEnocDMEnoc Member Posts: 153


    Originally posted by XImpalerX
    Oh so they are releasing content that was already made and not included in Launch to make it look like they are adding new content..

    Trivia question: What other game has done this? (Hint: It is abbreviated with 3 letters, rhymes with Bow and claims it has over 8 million subs)


    Anyway, why bother posting anything positive here guys? It is just going to get picked apart by people who no matter what you show them, they'll say it is wrong or crap. Half the people here expect to be able to install a 17 gig game onto their system and not even have to defrag afterwards.

    I don't have a godly system. I run a 2ghz X2, 2gb DDR2 and a 6800 GS. Now it is a bit above the normal I admit but people here are boasting systems that kick the crap out of mine and saying it doesn't run. The difference between them and myself is that I took the time to tweak it and get it to run right. Half a second doing an internet search on vgclient.ini files would give them 12 guides on how to tweak it w/ copy and paste code. The rest is going into the game and adjusting the settings till you get a decent FPS. If you are running a 2ghz proc, 1gb ram and a 6200, No you can't play on high quality settings. However if you tweak the ini file and adjust balanced settings, you could very easily get 30-40 fps in the wild and 20+ in the cities.

    Come on people, either throw out your 386's and get with the times or maybe you should move on to consoles.

  • niteflynitefly Member Posts: 340
    Originally posted by Acephalia

    Originally posted by godpuppet

    What game are Sigil playing?



    EVERYONE knows there are bugs in this game. EVERYONE has FPS issues. EVERYONE is patiently waiting for them to identify these issues and correct them. YET their efforts are concentrated on "dungeon lighting", can I say a big resounding WHAT THE FUCK??? Are they on a self destruction mission.



    Granted Sigil are not a part of SoE, but this is somewhat firmiliar to the attitude that SoE have had will all their rush release games. Pretend everythings OK and feed people some bait to get them to pay another $10...



    Patch Prioritys Order:



    1. BUGS

    2. FPS.

    3. NEW CONTENT





    Get your act together Sigil...

     

    The last couple of patches were by and large aimed at bugs...

     - Build 1758a
     - Build 1758
     - Build 1752
     - Build 1741
     - Build 1737
     - Build 1733
     - Build 1728
     - Build 1726
     - Build 1725



    Don't confuse the die-hard whiners with facts, Acephalia. And use terms like "lame ass game", "sucks", "horrible", and other meaningless (and to other people, pointless) phrases like that.



    Coming up with relevant argumentation will only get you to be targeted by their (granted, sad and misguided) wrath.



    I look forward to the post with real, useful and negative content about Vanguard. Sort of like: I do not like Vanguard since the Race and Class selection is too narrow, in game X there was more Classes and they were more different. In Vanguard Class X and Class Y only becomes different past level Z which is too late for me since I'm an Altoholic. Since I like to make new Characters all the time, the whole three spheres is not for me either.



    That would be meaningful to other people who like to create a lot of different Characters. Instead we get pointless posts about performance issues with THEIR system (which is then not propably detailed so again, they fail at providing substance) or the ever-popular "this game will fail".



    There should be posting guidelines on this website concerning valid argumentation, how to differentiate issues only concerning yourself, bland generalisation being the ammunition of the blind, and similar standard techniques used in written communication.




  • DMEnocDMEnoc Member Posts: 153


    Originally posted by nitefly
    Originally posted by Acephalia
    Originally posted by godpuppet
    What game are Sigil playing?EVERYONE knows there are bugs in this game. EVERYONE has FPS issues. EVERYONE is patiently waiting for them to identify these issues and correct them. YET their efforts are concentrated on "dungeon lighting", can I say a big resounding WHAT THE FUCK??? Are they on a self destruction mission.Granted Sigil are not a part of SoE, but this is somewhat firmiliar to the attitude that SoE have had will all their rush release games. Pretend everythings OK and feed people some bait to get them to pay another $10...Patch Prioritys Order:1. BUGS
    2. FPS.
    3. NEW CONTENT
    Get your act together Sigil...

    The last couple of patches were by and large aimed at bugs...
    - Build 1758a
    - Build 1758
    - Build 1752
    - Build 1741
    - Build 1737
    - Build 1733
    - Build 1728
    - Build 1726
    - Build 1725


    Don't confuse the die-hard whiners with facts, Acephalia. And use terms like "lame ass game", "sucks", "horrible", and other meaningless (and to other people, pointless) phrases like that.

    Coming up with relevant argumentation will only get you to be targeted by their (granted, sad and misguided) wrath.

    I look forward to the post with real, useful and negative content about Vanguard. Sort of like: I do not like Vanguard since the Race and Class selection is too narrow, in game X there was more Classes and they were more different. In Vanguard Class X and Class Y only becomes different past level Z which is too late for me since I'm an Altoholic. Since I like to make new Characters all the time, the whole three spheres is not for me either.

    That would be meaningful to other people who like to create a lot of different Characters. Instead we get pointless posts about performance issues with THEIR system (which is then not propably detailed so again, they fail at providing substance) or the ever-popular "this game will fail".

    There should be posting guidelines on this website concerning valid argumentation, how to differentiate issues only concerning yourself, bland generalisation being the ammunition of the blind, and similar standard techniques used in written communication.


    Nah it's more fun to mess with them. It makes them angrier when you show proof that they are wrong or when you make their game look less then perfect. =)

  • KhaunsharKhaunshar Member UncommonPosts: 349
    I cant believe some people are still dumb, downright idiotic enough, to argue and believe that releasing content like this has to do with the coders work of bugfixing. How are you able to stand up and remember to breathe in the morning ?



    Everyone who says they should get their priorities straight and not release content, but rather bugfix, is too dumb to further play games like this. Period.
  • KcissemKcissem Member Posts: 276

    I can't believe some people are just so dumb that argue against patches.  Just because the patch next week is an art patch does not mean there are not bug fixes in it.  You people will just not be happy no matter what.  They could put out a patch tomorrow that fixes every single issue you guys complain about and you will still complain about something even if it has to be made up as a complete lie.   These forums are just a disaster troll infested waste of time, if you someone is reading this that is looking for well thought out information about vg do not come here, this is not the place.  It seems since mmorpg.com is a dedicated mmo site it brings out all the trash that most don't even want in our mmo experience anyways.  So if you are looking for real info about vg go to one of the affiliated sites such as vanguard.tentonhammer.com or silkyvenom.com the downright plain bashing of the game is not so bad over there(still exists though) and you can get more info that actually pertains to the game instead of just a whinefest by some thats only tried for 10 minutes and said omg this sucks, my low lvl spells don't hit for 1k and this mob actually hits back.  Most of the major bugs with vg is fixed, atleast for me anyways.  Most of the remaining bugs are minor annoyances that can and will be fixed and are not gamebreaking at all.  I've never experience a crash during release, never had a memory leak, never found a broken quest, never have trouble with dissappearing mobs(as all you have to do is take a few steps and they'd reappear anyways, besides this is fixed now, haven't seen it since the last patch that was supposed to fix it),  I do not have any kind of performance issue(I am usually around 80 to 100 fps in the wilde and 35 to 55 fps in towns) performance in vg is 75 percent your own system, 25 percent coding. anyways well my rant and whinefest about the whiners is over.  This is my last post on mmorpg forums.  /bye

  • cupertinocupertino Member Posts: 1,094
    Im no VG fan but this is a beffy update, lots of stuff in there.... however I have little doubt that this content was not already completed b4 launch (or atleast in a "not finished but good enough" state that Sigil like so much) and held back for emergencies, Sigil waited till just after the free month is up to count active subs, then release this content to keep what few people have stayed, get some positive press coverage and maybe draw back those who quit.

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  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356
    Originally posted by redelf07

    Originally posted by olddaddy


    New stuff for Thestra and Qalia, Kojan still sucks content wise though. Kojan was the last of the continents to be modeled, and was never properly completed. Thestra was the first completed, and already has content out the kazoo.
    I would hazard a guess that this stuff was in the pipeline already. If not, it is a damn shame they upgraded Thestra over Kojan, shows a misdirection in priorities.
     
    They should probably hire you to set them straight.

    Naw, I already have a good job. But I'm perfectly willing to give them advice for free......
  • ThamorisThamoris Member UncommonPosts: 686

    Test Server Forums



    Vanguard Spheres is home to the official Test Server forums. If you participate on the Test Server and wish to get more information about focus tests, upcoming patches, and submit feedback about your experiences go here and register!



    To use the test server simply select the “Test Server” button in launchpad. The size of your patch will vary; however, re-downloading the entire game is not necessary. Please note that the launchpad will occasionally display your estimated downtime incorrectly making it appear to be much longer than it actually is. If you participated in beta the characters you had can also be found on he Test Server so that you can jump right in!

     

    Thank you and happy testing!

    - The Vanguard Team

     

    This is the kinda stuff I like to see !! Actively reaching out to the player base to help make the best game possible !

    Play Vanguard !

    The game that sucks less than the rest !!!

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    So, can you participate as a test server without subscibing and paying the $15 a month fee?

     

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