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new patch = Harder Game :)
Mars505
Member Posts: 623
Any thoughts on the patch, I for one am glad to see they added the weight so the curve is not like WoW . I think it will be pulling some more people while exporting the weaker players back to WoW.
Some things will be worked out to get the medium but for the most part I am pleased with the patch.
As for people saying "the game is to easy" might want to log back in and reroll and give the new patch a go.
Some things will be worked out to get the medium but for the most part I am pleased with the patch.
As for people saying "the game is to easy" might want to log back in and reroll and give the new patch a go.
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From a Turbine Dev.
http://beta.lotro.com/showthread.php?&postid=300026#post300026
Going to address some of these points on economy head-on, because you guys deserve that much.
I've worked on several MMOs now, and until LOTRO, there was a scary truth that we had to confront every time we wanted to make a change for the sake of "balance". We didn't really know. We relied on our own judgement, instinct, and trusted community feedback, but we lacked hard data. Well, times have changed. Nowadays, we have excellent data reporting, and it lets us seperate a lot of opinion from fact. So yes, this was our last chance before we went live to make some seriously needed corrective action on the economy, and we did it. And we didn't pull punches.
A few points on that. First, we may have gone a bit too far, but at this stage, it was better to go a little too far than not far enough. If we make a change once we're live, I don't think I need to tell you how important it is that we dial things in the players' favor rather than against. I don't like balancing things in half-steps; bold strokes make for fewer total iterations.
Second, the mail changes addressed a pretty major issue. I'm not sure people are aware of just what a huge percentage of total mail sent was people using the mail system as additional personal storage. That needed to stop. But, in fairness, the items most commonly sent tend to have very low cash values. This may seem like a lot on the surface, but the actual impact won't break the bank.
Lastly, we can model out pretty well how much money people will acquire through questing, through adventuring, through trading, and I can say with a high degree of confidence about money: You will have less after these changes, it is true. But you will almost certainly have enough. And in every case, there will be actions that a player can take to maximize their financial advancement.
I've never met a popular nerf, (my entry into the "understatement of the year" contest) but this wasn't done on a whim; it was specific and targeted. We've got the long-term future of the game in mind.
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I played for a few hours last night after the patch. I think the difficulty is much closer to what it needs to be. I experienced my first death last night woot! lol well my first six deaths.
Im really liking what i'm seeing with this patch. I totally agree that its better to make a major change now, than when its live.
I will miss my health pots tho...
US will get the patches first and EU will get them when they are translated.
Imagine a patch like this hit the street at release then you can be sure than tons of players in the EU version would stock up on health/powerpots and stack them in banks and on mules.
The jungledrumms are loud when it comes to patches so if certain things are drastically removed/raised in the US patch the EU players will benefit from it.
I'm an EU player myself.
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I stopped playing about a month ago and unless they added more stuff to do I would not even think about going back. I dont mind grinding, what I do mind is having 4000 quest's all involving killing bears wolves and boars. The game has some bright spots, but overall its like a piece of stale white bread once you get past lvl 10, doing the same thing over and over.
/rip lotr
So when they raised the difficulty did this break some classes creating an environment where a holy trinity of sorts was needed to do Fellowships? During stress it was nice to see any class composition could work but I always suspected this was doable because of the difficulty in encounters and not because of brilliant designing on Turbine's part.
Ok, before i address the patch,
um
/rip lotr ?
lol, rip yourself back to Vanguard / WoW or w/e generic mmorpg you currently play. Dont say our last rites, this game is great and will become greater. so w/e to your lvl3 post.
Now on topic, very good patch.
Rites of the Four Horsemen
http://www.rotfh.com
I miss DAoC
Are you a 10 year old who has to flame a poster because he has a different opinion than you? People have different views on things, thats why there are so many games. Learn to accept other's views with out being defensive about something you may like.
who me ?
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
lvl 13 minstrel soloing lvl 11 and lvl 12 bears/boars, my 23 hunter can still solo 26 orange wargs LOL, seems as if the minstrel got hurt on defense and healing not our offense. It's the light Armor I am willing to bet since your guy is in medium now like my hunter.
I miss DAoC
lvl 13 minstrel soloing lvl 11 and lvl 12 bears/boars, my 23 hunter can still solo 26 orange wargs LOL, seems as if the minstrel got hurt on defense and healing not our offense. It's the light Armor I am willing to bet since your guy is in medium now like my hunter.
Looks like the put the healer class where it belongs , behind ssome tankswho me ?
lvl 13 minstrel soloing lvl 11 and lvl 12 bears/boars, my 23 hunter can still solo 26 orange wargs LOL, seems as if the minstrel got hurt on defense and healing not our offense. It's the light Armor I am willing to bet since your guy is in medium now like my hunter.
Looks like the put the healer class where it belongs , behind ssome tanksI miss DAoC
Are you a 10 year old who has to flame a poster because he has a different opinion than you? People have different views on things, thats why there are so many games. Learn to accept other's views with out being defensive about something you may like.
I flame that poster because I do not appreciate he’s conceit. if your view is different then mine, I could care less… all it means is your wrong.
Now lets get to the bottom line here. The bottom line, is that Lotro was on EZ mode before, and this patch just put it on normal mode. Boohooo, guess what, the community will be better for it. If the game has a little bit of challenge all that does is filter out the teenage wow players, and is that so bad?
Rites of the Four Horsemen
http://www.rotfh.com
Why cant ppl be happy that they have a new game with a new story and new characters and ppl to meet and be done with it and i know we all have opinions on games thats we make them better but for some of you ppl out there there is no fix, there is always something for you to bitch about so please cant we all just enjoy it for what it is if yu seriously are unhappy with the game than just dont play it, it is really quite simple.
Are you a 10 year old who has to flame a poster because he has a different opinion than you? People have different views on things, thats why there are so many games. Learn to accept other's views with out being defensive about something you may like.
I flame that poster because I do not appreciate he’s conceit. if your view is different then mine, I could care less… all it means is your wrong.
Now lets get to the bottom line here. The bottom line, is that Lotro was on EZ mode before, and this patch just put it on normal mode. Boohooo, guess what, the community will be better for it. If the game has a little bit of challenge all that does is filter out the teenage wow players, and is that so bad?
hate to break it to you but after playing around with several characters seems as if this is just a light armor over adjustment. My Hunter and Guardian are having no issues otherr than repairs are overpriced which are being hot fixed tommorrow. I was just with a guildie did some experiments with his lvl 20 minstrel and can still solo yellows and oranges also. SO it is just a light armor adjustment issue. I can guaranteee you they wil not go into open beta with one of the classes completly broke and a second class half broke, this isn't SOE we are dealing with.
I miss DAoC
LOL that speaks for itself, you will have a tough time getting thru life with an attitude like that. People with different views is what makes things great, if we all wanted the same thing life would be dull. Im wrong for having my own opinion? Dude, come back and post when you get out of 5th grade and realize the world does not revolve around little old wyzwun.
Im not sure what you mean by "I flame that poster because I do not appreciate he's conceit". What kind of grammar is that?
Good luck in lotro, I hope you find all the happiness and love you want. You must have a fondness for WoW and VG, you have brought them up when I didnt. Got a complex I see. Enjoy.
Are you a 10 year old who has to flame a poster because he has a different opinion than you? People have different views on things, thats why there are so many games. Learn to accept other's views with out being defensive about something you may like.
I flame that poster because I do not appreciate he’s conceit. if your view is different then mine, I could care less… all it means is your wrong.
Now lets get to the bottom line here. The bottom line, is that Lotro was on EZ mode before, and this patch just put it on normal mode. Boohooo, guess what, the community will be better for it. If the game has a little bit of challenge all that does is filter out the teenage wow players, and is that so bad?
hate to break it to you but after playing around with several characters seems as if this is just a light armor over adjustment. My Hunter and Guardian are having no issues otherr than repairs are overpriced which are being hot fixed tommorrow. I was just with a guildie did some experiments with his lvl 20 minstrel and can still solo yellows and oranges also. SO it is just a light armor adjustment issue. I can guaranteee you they wil not go into open beta with one of the classes completly broke and a second class half broke, this isn't SOE we are dealing with.
Break what to me dog? Im happy with this game, no matter what they do. EVERYTHING turbine has done for this game, has been good for its health. I speak from both sides of the fence here, yeah im a hardcore gamer but guess what, most of my friends are not... Do i wana see my friends leave? heck no, so if this doesnt make the game harder, im all for it. But if they choose to increase the curve a bit, i dont hate them for doing it, because i can understand why they would. In other words everyone.
THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE. get back to testing (sht , i would BUT IM AT WORK!)
Rites of the Four Horsemen
http://www.rotfh.com
combat is still as easy as cherry pie on a sunday pinic.
The only thing the patch did was
discourage alts and crafter alts
made mailing things more expensive
thats about it. The game is not any more challenging now than it was before the patch. it is however more tedious to play than it was before.
As far as tweedle dee said ummm LOTRO is as generic as WoW , Vanguard and EQII. Only a lombotized lab rat believes that LOTRO is any different than those games. Nothing new here just a different IP with the same ideas and some polish
So yes , there is nothing new, but it is done well, and above the AAA status .
Let me babble :
We all started on the " new innovation" kick when . I know, When Vangaurd was being Developed. All this talk of new new , never done before, completely revolutions, was all spewing out of one mouth. We all bit into it and for the last 5 years we all layed judgement on every title created saying : I will wait for Vanguard,cause this game has nothing new." Don't lie , we all said it at least one time in the past 5 years, well guess what , Vangaurd is released , and it bombed. So why not fall back on something that has what we know and are used to . A lot of games we keep saying the same crap over and over " Nothing new and innovative , i will wait for , blah blah" Well i for one am tired of waiting , I found a great game that fits my game play and I am going for it. Why waste more time waiting on something that can devistate me again like Vanguard did.
Vangaurd did more to me at least and maybe to a lot of people ,create this false sense of waiting , and now we are so used to , half of you will never pick anything cause you will go back to the " I will wait till.."
I'm done waiting , I am going to help middle earth in the struggle of the century !
Babble comeplete
who me ?
So yes , there is nothing new, but it is done well, and above the AAA status .
Let me babble :
We all started on the " new innovation" kick when . I know, When Vangaurd was being Developed. All this talk of new new , never done before, completely revolutions, was all spewing out of one mouth. We all bit into it and for the last 5 years we all layed judgement on every title created saying : I will wait for Vanguard,cause this game has nothing new." Don't lie , we all said it at least one time in the past 5 years, well guess what , Vangaurd is released , and it bombed. So why not fall back on something that has what we know and are used to . A lot of games we keep saying the same crap over and over " Nothing new and innovative , i will wait for , blah blah" Well i for one am tired of waiting , I found a great game that fits my game play and I am going for it. Why waste more time waiting on something that can devatate me again like Vanguard did.
Vangaurd did more to me at least and maybe to a lot of people ,create this false sense of waiting , and now we are so used to , half of you will never pick anything cause you will go back to the " I will wait till.."
I'm done waiting , I am going to help middle earth in the struggle of the century !
Babble comepleteExactly Mars. The devs have never promised anything revolutionary. They only ever promised a solid game, and they have delivered. Just as they did with DDO, they told everyone straight up what they would be getting. Only a labotomized lab rat would expect anything other than what the people making the game said you were going to get!
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
The patch introduced some bugs. (Goodness gracious, what a surprise.) Some intel chipsets cause the toon to have a blank, black face.
I crashed 6 times in 2 hours. Up til now the game had been very stable for me.
The armor cost bug has been discussed; training skills now cost too much in the new economy. That may well be an error also. Money was too free before, I feel that even with repair and skill costs corrected, it will be too tight.
XP had been artificially high, so beta testers could test higher levels quickly. The new rates are more in line with other MMO's.
As a hunter, I can now see my traps' areas of influence. Rain, with lightning; new. Minimap seems to be higher res now, in any event clearer. A lot of quest corrections.
with the player "income" changes. You could not loot enough or quest enough to offset the repair cost. Tthere were many complaints
in the official forums about this. It turned out that it was bug. This game is in closed beta and the devs will make extreme changes for
the better or worse to find the balance. As closed beta players we should not whine about the changes but give constuctive feed back
as how these changes effect gameplay. Remeber all toon's are going to be wiped before open beta.
PS I have not logged into the official forums due to the many people that were posting complaints and whines, instead of constuctive feedback.