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Should a Guild get BANNED for 1 mans actions ?
Bonjaba
Member Posts: 5
Hello,
Here is my question:
If 1 man in a guild that has more then 40 members does something like duping or using an exploit does that mean they should bann the whole guild??
Sofar i have heard of a couple of guilds getting banned and yes i am part of 1 of them that got the shaft as it turned out after talking to a GM who was kinda rude and unhelpfull our Guild Leader was missusing a mob spawn that dropped gold instead of copper.
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If it was just the guild leader exploiting the bug then yes he should be banned but i think reason tehy abnned entire quild was what if leader had been using that gold to buy items for guild? giving gold to guild members?
therefore one mans exploiting of gold bug may have resulted in entire guild gettign advantgae in game, this may have been why they banned entire guild
In which case i would contact Sigil and tell tehm that you did not benefit from teh exploit that he was using
Remember to stay calm, dont be rude and be helpful, golden rules of customer service, dont partonise, be offensive or otherwise rude to person who is helping you as it make them less likely to help
I have had help from GM and he was very helpful, wasnt able to fix my problem but compensated me for the inconveniance
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Well i agree that he should be banned. But i do not agree they should ban all of them even if he gave them some gold. People might not have known where he got it from or he told them it was from farming or good drops. In that case the GM's should remove the Gold from thier accounts and release them again. In my opinion the loggs should show it all from what was said to what was traded so should be easy to deal with.
If u look at it if 1 guy counterfits money and buys an icecream with it should the shop be closed then aswell?
Well i am allways helpfull to gms and give em everything they ask for but this guy was just rude and trying to blackmail me but ey might be me.
I will c how this ends i guess
Each individual should be held accountable for their own actions. If someone is duping/cheating etc, that person should be banned. However, if others in the guild were knowingly benefiting from that cheating, they are guilty as well.
Many of guild cheats I have seen in the past do benefit the entire guild and thus the entire guild should be held accountable. For example, exploits that involve clipping plane issues that allow a player to "fly" or walk through walls and thus avoiding large groups of mobs to go straight to the bosses/named.
~Synexis
I know its a harsh punishment .... but i agree with it 100% ... i think guilds SHOULD BE BANNED FOR THE ACTIONS OF ONE MEMBER ...
and ill tell you why ... because it will promote " SELF-POLICING" ... a guild will watch their members closely ... and no guild leader whos spent thousands of hours building and nuturing his community will allow it to all go down hill, because of one greedy, cheating rat .. who decides to dupe or use hack combat ....
this in combination with in game CSR's watching over players, will make for a cleaner more enjoyable cheat-free environment ...
It is the guild leader we are talking about that has so to speak cheated and yes if the guild members knowingly accept the gold they should be banned aswell witch should be easy to find in the chats loggs and trade loggs. But banning people that didnt recieve anything nor knew where it came from other then them thinking it was gotten tru farming or crafting items and selling it for gold ( wich make a ton of money in VG ) is just wrong and shows the lack of work put into investigating the issue.
I agree with the TS.
I say suspend the guild pending investigation after that remove the coin that was gotten tru the dupe/exploit and realse the accounts again and ban the source of it. I think there should be a time set to this suspending people aswell like a max number of days that they get to work it out and get it all fixed so people dont get wrongfully suspended for a month or week or something.
But i wish u all the best of luck trying to get this problem solved.
In this situation we only have the word of the poster and no one else's side of the story and I find it hard to believe that there was only one person involved. While SOE has not always been known to have good support staff I find it rather hard to believe that the CSR was outright rude to any player without the player having done something to warrant it. And what exactly would helpful be? Unbanning the whole guild? Normally (and this is from my own experience as a CSR) they can track who has recieved what and from whom. It usually isnt a low level CSR that handles bannings, normally its handled by a manager who has all of the logs and is able to make a decision on who was cheating and who wasn't.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Who knows why GM took that option to ban entire guild, and in regards to above post yeah i think maybe entire guild was a bit harsh but we dont really know extent of teh exploit teh guild leader was doing and to be honest teh leader shouldnt have done it in the first place if he was meant to be setting an example to rest of the guild
just in case your interested the GM's do have a supervisor so if you aint happy with response then you can ask for you case to be looked at by the supervisor, failing that you can always email Brad and ask him to look at it
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I realize this is a game and not real life, but whether or not someone knows that what they are recieving is stolen or illicitly gotten does not relieve them of the responsibility.It is the guild leader we are talking about that has so to speak cheated and yes if the guild members knowingly accept the gold they should be banned aswell witch should be easy to find in the chats loggs and trade loggs. But banning people that didnt recieve anything nor knew where it came from other then them thinking it was gotten tru farming or crafting items and selling it for gold ( wich make a ton of money in VG ) is just wrong and shows the lack of work put into investigating the issue.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
O 2late some 1 allready beat me 2 it
You cannot judge what happend after hearing just 1 side.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
What if some person joined a guild and decided to cheat 5 minutes later? I suppose the whole guild should be banned, because it promotes the policies and procedures... but come on! Use your common sense people!
This is actually a major reason not to play Vanguard, and I've been wanting to for a long time now. Great going Sigil!
LOL that sorta bug shouldnt have been there anyways (just like the other 1000's) anyways, obviosly someone had fecked up the drop on that mob, and someone had found it and was killing it for that said drop, no harm in that in my opinion. But to ban the whole guild is just another retarded thing to do with the game.
They should have put it out on retail correctly in the first freekin place anyways, but hell i am almost past caring about Vanguard anymore. Wish i could get my money back for the package, knowing what i know i would have waited a year to see what the game has turned into before purchasing it, but i was told it wasnt run by SoE who seem to be dictating and running the game how they want. Sigil are just the lapdogs.
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The guild was made out of a couple a normal guys wanting to play a game and speaking the same language. Some people joined 3 days befor the ban others 1 day to 3 hours befor it. No farmers nothing like that. Most farmers prob dont even speak english lol seeing they mainly from china and countrys around there. but yeah Sigil is messing up bigtime with this issue.
I am all for banning the main guy and who ever knew and helped but not for the others. Like i said befor remove the gold from the characters then that has been given out and release the account.
If your Guild leader shared the Gold with the whole Guild, and you all got some, then yes... this shouldn't surprise anyone...
Is it completely fair? No, but you did join the Guild...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
if ur sister or brother kill someone does that mean the whole family gets death penalty? Easy to just sit there and blah blah blah about someone's else's problem when u dont have to deal with it.
No.
However, to show the serioussness of the offense....The guildleader should receive a temporary ban as well as the offender.
If the offender is an officer, than all the officers and the guildleader should receive a temporary ban while the offender may get a permanent ban depending on the gravity of his "offense".
If the offender is the guildleader, he should get permanently banned, his officers temporarily banned, the guild should be disbanded. A guildleader is supposed to be an example to all, and thereby, he should be made an example to all.
PS: If the guild in question is AL, FoH or another guild that screw their whole server on a regular basic, than yes, permanently banning them at the first opportunity is prolly a good move, although, it is bounded to bring many online negativity.
PPS: If Sigil staff is in a guild competing with the guild to receive the ban, everything have to be doubled checked, thinked carefully. You don't want to advocate the agenda of 1 guild at the expense of the game, no matter if Sigil staff is in that guild or not.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
To the OP's question i say yes.I know the majority of people are joining guilds because they have to,or have this need to feel they are part of the community.Grouping and game design pretty much forces you to guild,however the fact is that you and only YOU make the choice as to wich guild you join.
Oh so often i see peeps meet someone in a rogue party,next thing you know there inviting them without really knowing much of that person whatsoever.Other times guilds are mass recruiting just for the sake of quantity.If you see your guild leader making poor decisions on recruiting,or you see a player cheating in your guild,i ask you,would you quit that guild?I bet alot of players would say no because they have friends in the guild that don't cheat.Well a guild isnt about you and your couple friends it is SUPPOSE to be about the whole guild ,a guild is suppose to be a complete group of players that co exhist together working together.If it' is just about you and your few friends,then you should form your own guild and remove yourselves from the small community wich IS a guild.The true meaning of a guild is usually lost in players self need ,wich is really why they join a guild.There are alot of real cool people in guilds that are 99% of the time helping others,but on the other hand there are the leeches who are "make me this or help me with that attitude"
I know there is a factor,where people will say i didn't even know that person or never played with them.This shows once again ,it was never a true guild,and i question it's recruiting tactics.There is other factors like maybe this player was a cool player for the several weeks we knew him before we recruited him.This may be true,but then again i look at the overall picture as to why SOE or SIGIL can spot this player long after a guild has been interacting with this player for the longest time.It is your job to keep your self informed about what goes on around you in a game.If you see a guild member with top notch gear ,never taking a moment to earn gold,then yes you better question this players legitimacy.This player crafts top notch gear?but never takes a moment to farm the rares?this player does nothing but XP yet has tons of gold?tons of factors that can raise a flag to any guild members.The red flag may only come out on a few occasions,but you can bet your ass there is players cheating in this game,so pay attention,they could very well be in your guild,that is a fact!
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Its in the EULA (Atleast in EQ2) that a guild has responceability towards its members, so yes..
But..This must be after multiple warnings etc, the guild leaders should get a fair warning about this, then if things not better, then it would be alright to sack an entire guild,,.
/Thark
The guild has a responsability toward it members.
Not the players toward the guild.
Now, you consider ALL players responsibles, which is hilarious. You even ban peoples who where on trial to be accepted into the guild. That is a joke. I can understand banning the guildleader, the officers, the raid leaders and a few other key persons...but not half of the guild, even less the whole of it.
In the army (since peoples like to compare guilds to army), a General is responsible for every soldier under his command, the soldiers aren't responsibles of the actions done by their superiors.
In this example of banning, my gut feeling is that STAFF from Sigil benefit from this guild been banned...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.