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Hopeful then disappointed
Kethrym
Member Posts: 85
After getting my beta invite today and downloading today I also cancelled today. I've beta tested quite a few MMO's and to be honest this is nothing worth being excited about. This game is not in any way ready for an April release. The character animations are stiff (robotic to be exact) the landscape may be pretty but there is something wrong with it. Its fake, empty, a total absence of feeling. Most of what I saw was pretty much the same way. Combat is bland and even more simple than World of Warcraft to figure out. I got my level 5 title for not dying once (suprise suprise) and that was pretty much as much as I could stomach.
I know the fanclub will flame me for what I write, but all of you who pre-ordered this game should be worried. Turbine may have great plans, ideas or whatever but at this current time this game is not good. I'm sure this game will still appeal to many players, I however am not one of them.
P.S. My wife is also an avid MMO player, and her descriptions are a bit more pessimistic than mine.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I would have to disagree with you on the fact that this game is not ready for release, it was a very smooth running game with very few bugs in my opinion. So to say it isnt ready for release I actually had to laugh because it is one of the better running beta games that I have seen in a long time.
Characters I will agree with you on this, they remind me a lot of how Guild Wars characters are which is one thing I didnt enjoy to much. However on a plus side I was actually impressed with the way the characters actually swim.. haha.
After finally getting in to the beta and playing I have also decided to cancel my pre-order. Not because I think it is a bad game, it actually has a nice mix of things seen in different games or addons used in different games all in one but I just found there is something missing. I cant put my finger on it, no its not the community, its something I just havent figured out yet. It will be a good game for a lot of people just not for me, maybe I read too much into posts and websites.. who knows but I am at least glad I tried it out.
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
No, I can tell he didn't get out of the newbie area. I'm not going to flame though. To each their own opinion. It says alot about credability though when you consider how far the OP has actually gotten in the game. The only thing I would suggest, and not flame, is that the OP take a little more responsibility with their words. By that I mean saying the game is no where near release. That statement alone begs the questions exactly how many betas have you been in? From the length the OP has tested this one to jumping to forums and giving their opinion I wouldn't guess too many and having going too far into them. Personally, I've beta'd most all AAA titles so far and by far this was/is the most smooth running, major bug-free one to date. Of course, that is my opinion and in fairness it should weigh just as much, no more, no less, than the OP's.
That said, anyone reading his opinion I'd say to appreciate it as just that and what has been stated pre any edits that may be done is only factual for the OP. Take a look around these forums and others and you will see an overwhelming show of positive support for LOTRO. You don't see near as much naysaying as for some other recently released titles. Last, try the game in open beta and form your own opinion. In my very biased opinion you'll be glad you did. If not, well, you haven't really lost anything and you can now focus on one of the other titles that are upcoming. Oh, and my wifes loves the game. She's a die hard gamer and has first edition prints of most of Tolkien's works.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Uh-oh, I pre-ordered the game after playing to lvl 14, but YOU played to lvl 5 and noticed something I didn't and know better if I should be worried or not. If you were smart, you'd at least say you played to, let's say, lvl 6, cause that's when you leave the starting area.
I have to disagree with the OP.
I have tested quite some games through an alpha and Beta period and this one
is one of the most smoothly running and bug-free games i've given a try.
My advice is next run go beyond the starter zone and try some other zones and some
more advanced stuff then reevaluate your opinion.
To me this is a very well done game that can deliver.
greetz Nonex
I got a spider slayer acheiment today for killing a bunch of spiders
I have been beta testing games for 9 years and this game is the most polished beta i have ever tested.
As for his level 5 title experience all i have to say is wow.
He judges a game from something that takes less than 1 hour to accomplish.
Talk about jumping to conclusions without any experience.
Don't quit your normal job to become a gamereviewer.
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Just because we don't see it exactly as you do does not mean we have blinders on. You weren't flamed either in this thread, for the most part. Hey, if you can't take a little criticism, you shouldn't post, right? I mean, admittedly, playing to level 5 isn't really giving any game a good shot, period. Yeah, so you may be able to get the basic mechanics of "how" to play, but actually seeing the substance of the game as far as content goes, you haven't even touched the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will find a game that you will know everything about it in the first 5 levels and be happy. And that's the most important thing, being happy.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Guess the game was to hard for him :P
I've got 4 characters : lvl 9/10/15/8 and it's fun, but can't be bothered replying, it's just a flame post by some clueless kid.
Comparing this game to any other games i've played in the last years this game has the best beta ever, only downside to it's beta is the characters will be wiped when entering retail. (or upside depends on how you look at it)
I miss DAoC
agree...I've played Wow and play Eq2, and unless your really a big LoTR person I did'nt see anything new in this game since being in beta and playing for the last month or so..
want something new.. umm how about it is playable on a mid range computer, has a ton of content and does not CTD regularly. Name me one MMO that has happened with in the last year and a half LOL
I miss DAoC
Just because we don't see it exactly as you do does not mean we have blinders on. You weren't flamed either in this thread, for the most part. Hey, if you can't take a little criticism, you shouldn't post, right? I mean, admittedly, playing to level 5 isn't really giving any game a good shot, period. Yeah, so you may be able to get the basic mechanics of "how" to play, but actually seeing the substance of the game as far as content goes, you haven't even touched the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will find a game that you will know everything about it in the first 5 levels and be happy. And that's the most important thing, being happy.
Well... just because you don't see things as the OP does, and disagree with his OP, and his response to all the fanboy replies to his OP, you have to respond like this? Why can't you allow him to have his opinion, and let it alone? His is just as worthwhile as anyone else's. Or didn't you know that? There's no wrong "opinion", by definition an opinion can be neither right or wrong, correct or incorrect. For his experience in LotRO, his opinion is just as valid as anyone else's who has any experience.
Kalmenicus the Opinionator
Just because we don't see it exactly as you do does not mean we have blinders on. You weren't flamed either in this thread, for the most part. Hey, if you can't take a little criticism, you shouldn't post, right? I mean, admittedly, playing to level 5 isn't really giving any game a good shot, period. Yeah, so you may be able to get the basic mechanics of "how" to play, but actually seeing the substance of the game as far as content goes, you haven't even touched the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will find a game that you will know everything about it in the first 5 levels and be happy. And that's the most important thing, being happy.
Well... just because you don't see things as the OP does, and disagree with his OP, and his response to all the fanboy replies to his OP, you have to respond like this? Why can't you allow him to have his opinion, and let it alone? His is just as worthwhile as anyone else's. Or didn't you know that? There's no wrong "opinion", by definition an opinion can be neither right or wrong, correct or incorrect. For his experience in LotRO, his opinion is just as valid as anyone else's who has any experience.
Kalmenicus the Opinionator
Not really. It only takes a few hours to get to level 5. Of course combat is going to be easy and such in the beginning, but the game picks up when you leave the newbie area.Currently: Playing EVE Online
Previous: FFXI, Dragonrealms, sad little stint in WOWland.
Awaiting: Fallen Earth, Hero''s Journey, Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan.
LOL, you must be kidding me...
I can get to level 30 easy in WoW without dying if I want, and I can clear level 6 in under and hour and level 10 a couple after that...
And please, no more "I played for an hour and.." reviews. You dorks signed up for closed beta to help test the bloody game, it isn't intended to be a free trial and is hardly the finished product.
Just because we don't see it exactly as you do does not mean we have blinders on. You weren't flamed either in this thread, for the most part. Hey, if you can't take a little criticism, you shouldn't post, right? I mean, admittedly, playing to level 5 isn't really giving any game a good shot, period. Yeah, so you may be able to get the basic mechanics of "how" to play, but actually seeing the substance of the game as far as content goes, you haven't even touched the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will find a game that you will know everything about it in the first 5 levels and be happy. And that's the most important thing, being happy.
Well... just because you don't see things as the OP does, and disagree with his OP, and his response to all the fanboy replies to his OP, you have to respond like this? Why can't you allow him to have his opinion, and let it alone? His is just as worthwhile as anyone else's. Or didn't you know that? There's no wrong "opinion", by definition an opinion can be neither right or wrong, correct or incorrect. For his experience in LotRO, his opinion is just as valid as anyone else's who has any experience.
Kalmenicus the Opinionator
Let me guess, the wife? J/K. Seriously though, I don't ever recall saying his opinion wasn't valid, for him. Obviously it isn't valid for me b/c I like the game. *shrug* I'm only saying if you come into a game's forums when the game has as much positive response as this one has and you start ripping on it with the tact of a....well, let's just say in a non-thoughtful (meaning thinking about how your words affect others and how they might interpret them) way, well, expect for people to rail back. It's only fair. He is more than welcome to stating his opinion, and there have been plenty of people stating that LOTRO is not for them in a tactful way and hands down those people are not getting attacked/flamed/whatever.
Personally, making it to level 5 in this game and letting that determine your opinion on it is kinda, well, not really giving the game a try. For one, I can make level 5 in a good 15-20 minutes. Secondly, at level 5, unless you have already leveled another character through the intro sequence so that you can skip it with your other characters, you're not even out of the instance of Archet (with Archet being burned as a result of the storyline) and into the "real world" of LOTRO.
Lastly, the only reason I have responded is that, with all this in mind, in Keth's original post he also goes to warn others that all who pre-ordered should be worried. I really don't think that is warranted considering how much the OP has actually put into the game. A responsible, credible person would say "Hey, it wasn't for me for X reasons, but give it a try just to see if it is for you." Believe me, if he had presented himself like that, heh, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Cheers!
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I agree for the most part. I do enjoy the titles I suppose, but they're not that amazing. The landscape does feel fake, and the combat bland. The world seems lifeless and boring -- especially during monster play, but that's probably just because there aren't enough high levels to actually do anything fun. Still, I ran around for about an hour with hardly anything but my character and horrible landscapes to look at.
After trying out Monster Play, I immediately logged off and never looked back. It may be optional, but it made me realize how I really feel about the game. It's just not for me.
That being said, there are some good points to the game. The opening instanced areas (and the end of the introduction area instance) were pretty damn fun, and exciting my first couple trips through. The novelty wore off, and it was taking too long to get to the next great instanced area, and I just couldn't bring myself to keep going until I got to one. The quests, crafting, etc., were all a tad too boring for me to put up with in order to get to that 20 minutes of fun between grind.
Also, I hope they're just holding off on the variety of weapons and armor, as there aren't many looks and people all look very similar. They did do cloaks awesome however -- much better than any other game out there (with the exception of CoH/V, though I guess they're technically 'capes', though it's basically the same thing).
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Just because we don't see it exactly as you do does not mean we have blinders on. You weren't flamed either in this thread, for the most part. Hey, if you can't take a little criticism, you shouldn't post, right? I mean, admittedly, playing to level 5 isn't really giving any game a good shot, period. Yeah, so you may be able to get the basic mechanics of "how" to play, but actually seeing the substance of the game as far as content goes, you haven't even touched the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will find a game that you will know everything about it in the first 5 levels and be happy. And that's the most important thing, being happy.
Well... just because you don't see things as the OP does, and disagree with his OP, and his response to all the fanboy replies to his OP, you have to respond like this? Why can't you allow him to have his opinion, and let it alone? His is just as worthwhile as anyone else's. Or didn't you know that? There's no wrong "opinion", by definition an opinion can be neither right or wrong, correct or incorrect. For his experience in LotRO, his opinion is just as valid as anyone else's who has any experience.
Kalmenicus the Opinionator
All bow to the sanctity of MY OPINION. Though shalt not tred on MY OPINION, because I'm a special snow flake who has value...blah, blah, blah...
Sorry to inform you, but no, not all opinions are right, or even of value. Welcome to the real world. You may be of the opinion that the world is flat, but you'd be wrong.
The OP has many uniformed opinions that are out-right misleading. First of all, this game is solid and ready to go live. I have played many MMOs that are not this finished even when they go live. You want to see the poster-child for 'not ready to launch' look at Vanguard.
Also, the intro area is a way for players to get into the game. Why is it surprising that the OP wouldn't die? I'll assume that the OP is a good player even. If he were a good player and died, image how difficult and frustrating it would be for the average player. That would not a game design condusive to helping new players learn the game.
Landscape...yada, yada...something wrong with it but I can't put my finger on it....I've read this before. Nobody can 'put their finger on the problem.' Perhaps because there really is no problem? I give the OP points though for use of innuendo to replace a solid arguement. Fake? It's a computer game for godsakes.
"Fan club will flame me...." Ah, now the OP plays the martyr card....unfortunately I'm not really part of the 'fan club' and I'm still flaming the OP because instead of simply reviewing the good and the bad, the OP has a clear agenda of dissuading and dissinformation.
That is why some opinions are worthless.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Generally when I am accepted into a beta I will try my best to test out the game, but everything seemed pretty smooth for it being beta (I lived through the AO beta and it's horrid release, anything is better than that experience), so I didn't really feel all that guilty for not testing a game that was simply bland in my opinion.
A couple of weeks passed, and I decided to give the game a second chance. I created a Human Burglar and found myself actually enjoying the game. I learned that if you wanted to level, you simply couldn't slaughter boars till the cows came home. This is a game that is focused on questing, and if you are out killing boars it's for hides and not exp. I actually found myself really enjoying a "Thief" class for the first time in an MMO. The Burglar took smarts to play correctly, where as I simply felt like I was button mashing with the other classes. I believe that a lot of people start a game and try only one class, and they base the quality of the game on whether or not that chosen class jived well with them. Yes, I used the word "jived."
Anyways, I have since pre-ordered and am now looking forward to the game. It may sound strange, but I actually find the game both exciting now, and oddly relaxing...which I think I have seen a couple other people mention as well.
Something else to take into consideration, a lot of your experience with the graphics is not just based on your machine, but how you tweak the settings to get the most out of the game. I noticed a huge improvement in both animation quality and graphics in general after I fiddled with the graphics a bit.
However as far as beta goes i got in early beta and that game ran very smoothly. Some bugs to be sure but as early as the beta i was involved in it was impressive on what was done was done very well.
I did try again after time and several major patches. Did get a toon to 20 . The towns were amazing the grapics were wonderful the townies, clothing, guards, armor, and quests were ok.
Parts i hated were character models were terrible. I could barely stand looking at my character, even worse when in a group just couldn't stand looking at the other models as well.
Wanted the choices in armor clothing the townies had, i am sure that will be fixed live with crafters.
What made me decide not to pre order or purchase was the been there done that before. Not so much over played beta i didn't i took it in short spurts.
It was more of the lacking of the social side and the above stated reasons it did not speak to me. The beta community was amazing that was a huge pluss so were the players. I hope that part of the community makes it to live and survives.
A few features worthy of note, the wolfs howled reached there neck up that was nice touch
The blob area near swamps moved fluidly not choppy at all
Walking the roads never knowing if something would pop out at you and eat you was a nice touch too
Chat system well done