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Fallen Vanboi
Dradiin
Member Posts: 259
Yeah i am gonna admit i was a hardcore Vanboi, i would rally to the side of the developers and chastise those who questioned this games integrity. But i have come to a horrific realization, wasted 99.00 on a collectors edition, and spent over a month of my time wasted on a haphazard attempt at living up to a games first Vision the Developers said was going to be this games direction.
My reversal of my opinion about this game came as the last nail in the coffin on my shaman was hammered in, in the wonderful Update#1 triple nerf to shamans, and double nerf to all healers.
Sure i can sit here and cite off a myriad of reasons why i cancelled and why i will no longer support the "Vision" Brad has told us this game was headed towards. But i won't, its pointless, cause most of you know what those things are, the fact of the matter is Brad laid out for us all to see how he wanted this game to evolve. For some reason all of those things have become lies. I won't support this falsehood of a game anymore.
Also before i forget, any MMO that is sold should never never never ever try and push bleeding edge graphics as its primary foundation, this has proven to be completely detrimental to this games progression, think on this, if the game was not attempting to push the graphical boundaries and instead was focused on game breaking bugs and balance where would we all be right now ? Sorry but graphics need to help the player achieve a goal not force players to go upgrade hardware. The fact that Brad states several times players should upgrade there video cards just to play this game is unreasonable. I for one spent 99.00 for the collectors edition and lucky me i had a new computer already up to snuff for this game, but i can't imagine players who look at the min reqs and think ok i am a bit over that and then get home to play slide show fun time goodness.
My reversal of my opinion about this game came as the last nail in the coffin on my shaman was hammered in, in the wonderful Update#1 triple nerf to shamans, and double nerf to all healers.
Sure i can sit here and cite off a myriad of reasons why i cancelled and why i will no longer support the "Vision" Brad has told us this game was headed towards. But i won't, its pointless, cause most of you know what those things are, the fact of the matter is Brad laid out for us all to see how he wanted this game to evolve. For some reason all of those things have become lies. I won't support this falsehood of a game anymore.
Also before i forget, any MMO that is sold should never never never ever try and push bleeding edge graphics as its primary foundation, this has proven to be completely detrimental to this games progression, think on this, if the game was not attempting to push the graphical boundaries and instead was focused on game breaking bugs and balance where would we all be right now ? Sorry but graphics need to help the player achieve a goal not force players to go upgrade hardware. The fact that Brad states several times players should upgrade there video cards just to play this game is unreasonable. I for one spent 99.00 for the collectors edition and lucky me i had a new computer already up to snuff for this game, but i can't imagine players who look at the min reqs and think ok i am a bit over that and then get home to play slide show fun time goodness.
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What, exactly would be the third nerf to shaman in this triple nerf?
1)Mitigation was lowered
2)Easier to be interrupted while casting a heal
3)?
And while they said they lowered mitigation, and increased the chance of being interrupted during a heal, I was still soloing the same 2 and 3 dots I could solo before.
Hmmm... your Vanboi Credentials seem dubious at best... for one thing, I've NEVER seen you at a meeting, and for another look at your post count... I mean, compare that to Coldmeat's... 750 of those alone are "I LUV
U BRAD!!!!" posts...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Well, we cancelled our Vanguard subscriptions too (and we bought 2 collectors editions) but it was because my wife had been crafting and just couldn't take how buggy it was anymore. She had (again) a bunch of work orders that she had completed that the taskmaster wouldn't acknowledge even existed and a GM who waited days to tell her he wouldn't do anything and had to say goodbye to her longbow-wearing (on the char sel screen) caster-class-who-couldn't-actually-wield-bows who looked nothing at all like the one she had just created. And this is just a couple days ago... We'll drop in a few months later and see if it gets any better.
For those who say "all MMOs are buggy at launch", I say bull****. I've played 10+ at launch and Vanguard has by far been the worst.
As far as shamans, though, they had the nerf a-commin'. Healers are still massively overpowered. You really ought to play a few more classes to get an idea of class balance in this game, as it's pretty bad. You still have those classes that can solo things 8-10 levels higher than them, and then the "other" classes that have a hard time going against things just a couple levels higher. And yes, before you ask, I had played both types.
im just exploiting vangaurd atm becuase its too boring to actually play...
BUT YOUR QUITTING FOR THE WRONG REASONS.
so you mean to tell me that because you got nerfed so that your like everyone else and need groups to kill 3-4 dots your quitting?
boo HOO. omg im not uber powerfull anymore
cry me a river.
and no this isnt a i
vg post, its a i hate people who quit because they played an overpowered class and were too blind to see it HAD to be nerfed.
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
I miss DAoC
We changed a few words back then, in your other life, when you were a fan.
All I can say now is : welcome to the dark side, my friend, mwahaha
seriously though, I respect you for admitting
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
Sounds 100% reasonable to me. You should read the post again, then think with yer brain. He started to dislike it, but stuck with it, because of all the time he put in to it (this is a very common reason in very many games, even shows up on all the questionaries ... etc, you damn well know this), so the nerf came, that geva him the strenght to leave this grindfest. A true hero I say
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
Jackman in my experience very times have I quit a MMORPG over just one issue, but there is always the straw that breaks the camels back. In SWG for example I played it through beta nd 4 months into release and put up with the bugs, the lack of content, the half ass and unbalanced classes, the disappearing bank inventory etc etc. but the last straw was when one of my merchants went poof due to a known bug and CS told me to suck it up. It wasn't even the merchant with half a million credits of inventory it was the CS's attitude that did it.
Thats what happened here, the nerf was just the straw that broke the camels back.
I miss DAoC
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
Sounds 100% reasonable to me. You should read the post again, then think with yer brain. He started to dislike it, but stuck with it, because of all the time he put in to it (this is a very common reason in very many games, even shows up on all the questionaries ... etc, you damn well know this), so the nerf came, that geva him the strenght to leave this grindfest. A true hero I say :DI read a bunch of stuff about vision. I was gonna suggest glasses.
I might be wrong but isint Beta suppose to balance the classes out? I know there will always be some tweaking due to players finding new ways to take advantage of things, but it seems Vanguard classes are not even close to being balanced... Reminds me a lot of SWG. My Monk is good example of this, sure he's great in groups, but most of the times I can't find a group and solo play is impossible with the Monk having no way to heal themselves and eating food only improves health regeneation by maybe 15%... I still have to wait 3 mins or so between fights to recharge my health
I tried to defend this game myself the last couple months, but im at the point now to say screw it and cancel my account...
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
As stated by more level headed people the nerfs (the third batch directed towards my shaman) was the final nail.... not the only thing... far from that... there are tons of things i could have posted about but in due honesty it was that last set of nerfs that made me hit cancel. Hell i still got a whole second month to play but i already uninstalled it.As for me playing my shammy... thats not the only class it was just my highest level. Shammy is at 34, Cleric is at 22, Disciple is at 21, and my Bloodmage is at 21 also. I play healers in MMOs i am an admitted glutton for punishment from developers and players alike. But i tend to stick with games at least 3 months. With the exception to DnL and Van now. See we as healers in Van were all told we would have more to contribute to a group then just being a healbot/buffbot. This to me was my deciding factor in getting really behind the developers, they had the "vision" that healers can do more then just heal. Then the nerfs started coming one after another over and over more and more making all healers useless to the point we were being homogenized.
So yeah in the end along with the myriad of other issues that are a part of this game the final nail was nerfs to my class and several others. Nerfing any class should be a last resort not a knee jerk reaction, the nerf hammer fell abundant with update #1 and continues to this day.
Also, let me state this for you guys who really don't pay attention, this game is horribly grind centric, there are plenty of free to play Korean MMOs that are not nearly as grindy as Van is, no thats not solely the adventuring aspect either Diplo and Craft is just as grindy if not moreso. So lets see if i can go Download say Rappelz for example i can get just as much if not more fun from a free game. Plus it looks fantastic and plays great in comparison. This is a COMPARISON to Vanguard not saying i like the game but it compares quite well to the fact that Vanguard is grindy and dull and has horrible framerates with graphics maybe a bit higher then a free to play game.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents.
First of all, when using the word "Vanboi", you sound like a complete and utter vapid idiot. Just thought I'd let you guys know.
To the point, if your character getting nerfed means you suddenly don't like the game anymore, then your heart really wasn't in it in the first place. It's just as likely that your character could be un-nerfed again soon, or that your character really was too powerful before. Either way, quitting because you can't play that more powerful version of your character right now seems rather petty to me.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
Would be nice if Sigil had Offical Forums to post all this stuff there ""Adding"".... This game reminds me of SWG, as that game also was released with major components missing....
Bottom line is if you like the standard MMO templete (which basically means mindless grinding) then your probably going to like Vanguard, but if your looking for something new that no other MMO has done then this game is definatly not for you, as im finding out for myself. I really hoped with all the hype of "3rd Generation MMO" I was going to have a new experience in this MMO, but after a few months playing there is really nothing different about Vanguard then other MMO's I have played... They basicaly just stole different ideas from different MMO's and expanded slightly on them and called it ""3rd Generation""
from the beginning I was a skeptic of this game, I got into beta very early and dropped it after my first month of beta 2. This was strictly based off a performance perspective. I just couldnt log in and test for any duration. I didnt start really playing until beta 3, then it wasnt very frequent. beta 4 when I was actually able to play the game with decent performance is when I really started.
I was initially drawn to it by its crafting, ships, player housing, the "allure" of player cities. The game reminded me a lot of what Horizons promised. (note: player cities are tba. sea combat etc is also tba. similiar traits to horizons of promised content that never showed up)
what I was a skeptic of, was from the ground up..since they began developement they preached on the trinity and grouping. They also pounded the mention of "group centric" and "core gamer". I'll admit, im not a fan of any of this but I thought Id give it a shot. I love grouping, I love guilds, I love socialization..but I dont like micro-management of groups, guilds etc. I dont like many of the current "class" based MMO's because in order to complete a certain equation.. you must have a specific amount of class types.
After level 15, you start seeing it. After 20, you really need to be with a small group of gamers who you can depend on beeing logged on the same times as you are to complete quests. You also need to depend on keeping within their level range. If you like alts, you need to coordinate this as well.
I stopped playing because its just not casual enough for me. It takes a long time to do many things in the game. Adventuring aside, diplomacy and crafting become extremely grinding.. more so than adventuring.
its definitely intended for guilds who are on equal play times. I guess the good thing is, if you can find a half dozen folks who are on the same schedule and mindset as you.. this game really explodes.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
try really reading the post before flaming the guy
are you kidding? he suddenly has a realization that the game is complete crap AFTER his char is nerfed, and your saying his reversal of his opinion was because of the things he already knew while he loved the game?
please.
He said it was the last nail in the coffin, Jackman
Go reread the OP again lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents
Brad (creator of Vanguard and CEO of Sigil) coined the word "Vanboi." So, if you hate it that bad go email him.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
Dude, come down. There's no need to get that exited about anything here. You seem to be gone way off to mars, what happened to you ?
I didn't dismiss anything. Where did I say that "software problems don't exist" ? Sure some people are having problems, that doesn't mean every one MUST have problems. And what is this stuff about being about him and not about me ? Cool down mate.
He wrote about his experience, I told him about mine. He said he had a bad experience, I told him this game is not bad for every one. THIS MEANS, that there is some hope for him, maybe in the future.
Hmm... you are a strange fellow. Because someone is giving his opinion on this forum, we cannot give ours ? Why are you posting here then ?
Now about coming back in a few months: " What the hell for ? You only get one chance to make a good first impression.", go ask that to the thousands of EQ2 players who came back to the game after they fixed it.
I think its a reasonable suggestion. You see, my opinion is not the same as yours. I see you don't like that, do you ? You seem to be one of those guys that won't accept that anyone else can have a different opinion than yours. I'm so sorry for you mate, but you are not alone here.
34 Shaman, and 3 more L21 characters?
Im not criticising anyone's style of play, but when you obviously grind as opposed to just playing a game youre bound to burn out sooner rather than later. After 6 weeks, including 2 double xp weekends, my DSC is L24. If she has been nerfed, to the extent you claim healers have, then I certainly havent noticed it - I sure knew when my class was overpowered though; and hated it.
My biggest criticism of the game is that levelling is too fast; especially when weighed against the size of the world. If I join a party to accomplish a group quest Ive gotten anything from 50%-100% of a level in what seems no time at all. Time flies when youre having fun, I just hate to see my levels fly by as quickly. I believe levelling so quickly actually reinforces a compulsion to grind and sometimes it is up to us, the player, to resist that temptation and just damn well play.
I know Im not alone, there are players like me who can happily spend a whole play session exploring, mixing it up with opposing player faction if an opportunity arises, harvesting or even browsing the auction; we dont consider a play session with no XP earned a waste of time. I think for this type of gamer VG is pretty damn perfect...especially in its current state of newness where higher level content hasnt had the attention to detail yet as it will have had by the time us "casual core" players get to sample it.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
I see many many people upset over the high end graphics of this game.I really have a problem with this because the exact same thing is going on for thousands of games right now,people are blinded i guess.Every single person that is on the HATE side ,against Vanguard ,Brad or Sigil,needs to look no futher than PS3 or xbox 360 to wake up and smell the coffee.If we follow this analogy,then everyone who bought a PS3 or xbox360 just to play those games,should toss out all those games and refuse to support SONY or Microsoft.After all we don't need an upgrade right?we already spent lots of cash on our ps2's and xbox right?
All the people who stick by this analogy ,should be outraged and scoffing at GEars Of War,how dare they force you to upgrade to a new $700 ps3 to play this game.Fight Night/virtua fighter 5 all no good how dare they force an upgrade.People need to quit blaming upgrades on this game alone.The biggest cpu/gpu draw from this game is IMO the shaders,but guess what,there is going to be alot more games using this in the future.So before anymore try blaming this game on upgrades,get out of your Vauxhall and into your crossfire,and enjoy the fact ,you can now play all the newer games coming out,that push the envelope for graphics.
Games have been bottlenecked bigtime by directx9 and down.The future of directx 10 will allow ALOT more graphics to be pumped through your system,so you better get used to some intensive games coming out.You can back WOW for making a game that is so pathetic a low end graphics card can play it,and those age old looking huts they call house meshes,the very unrealistic low res textures and realize you just paid a developer to rip you off with age old tech but charges you modern day prices for it.Congratulations/rejoice.
This game's weapon and player meshes are still low poly,wait until games start pushing this envelope[unrealtournament 2007],as well as incorporating tons of shaders.How many out there are already aware of the new AGEIA physics engine?this is another area thaty will be pushed in games,if your like me and want more realistic physics in the game.Half life was a game that kinda opened players/developers eyes further in this direction.Are you happy with a stick player just because you can paste 50 different texture colours onto it?or do you want facial expressions?limbs that move realistic?its all coming out in the near future.There is a new lighting format that will give surfaces even more realism,this will be at the cost of more cpu/gpu power.
Don't blame,be happy you can now enjoy it all,at least until your next upgrade
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game to buying a new game system that will play hundreds to thousands of other games? Yeah when i upgrade my already new system it will be able to play those new games that come out in say 3 years from now but my system now is pretty nice and should be running Van on Balanced at 30 FPS not 10-15.
Van is not any better looking then A ton of Korean free to play MMOs and Rappelz uses a unreal engine variant just like Van does.
It is simply ludicrous to base a MMO ( read that MMO not a FPS or a RTS... thats M M O) on bleeding edge graphics.
Regardless i guess if you like to dole out unhealthy sums of cash for a game that performs like trash on decent systems be my guest.
Really when it all comes down to it, what else does Vanguard offer as a MMO, other then flashy graphics a large portion of the MMO community won't support. If i am wrong in this assumption then why hasn't van surpassed WoW ?
Ohhh just so you know this is what i am running, and there should be no reason why i get such craptastic performance, nor should i even need to be considering upgrading.
Specs - Gigabyte GA-965p-DS3 E6600 Conroe EVGA 8800GTS 640mb 2 gig Corsair DDR800 Audigy 4 OCZ Gamestream 600 Seagate 320 16mb all wrapped up in an Antec 900 - 3DMark06 Score 9078 3DMarks stock.
(edited to include specs)