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Is EQ2 the best MMO?

EQ2 is at 1st place at the main page.

I was told that EQ2 new expansion, made eq2 a verry good MMO.

People are saing that all servers are medium and high

Sony anounced 680k subs

EQ1 - 200k (probably less)

SWG - 110k (probably less)

PS - 20k

MxO - 30k

total - 360k

Total SOE subs - 680k

360k - 680k = 320k EQ2 subs

I belive EQ2 is geting many new players, that is probably because the game improvement.

Wath do you think about it?

Regards

 

PS. EQ1,SWG,PS and MxO numbers are taken from mmochart.com. I belive subs from this games have decresed since july 2006(last mmochart report), so EQ2 probably have more than 320k subs. 680K subs was anounced by SOE last december.

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  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    I thought you were talking about RO2.  Please do not mispell room titles.

    EQ2 is only going to do moderately well at best.  It had a horrible launch which would Doom the game.  Most mmo gamers would stay away from the game because it gives a bitter feeling in the back of the mouth.

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  • AquakittyAquakitty Member Posts: 310
    Um, EQ2 is doing really well.. it does deserve to be up there, and it is a really good game, their new expansion was excellent.



    I just don't like the way the movement is myself.. I find LOTRO more to my liking.
  • ssnautilusssnautilus Member Posts: 373
    EQ2 has always been stable - and will remain so. It is a very high quality MOG and the community is mature and excellent.



    You may be surprised but you will soon be seeing MORE subscriptions for SWG from now onwards! :) They have catered to all professions recently and are now bringing back CH as well! :) So old-timers who left earlier are now actually coming back. :)
  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671

    no

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544
    Saying an MMO is the "best" is always a touchy debate as it is a subjective topic. To not take up a lot of space I will shorten the reasons for this. You may think that Pokemon Blue is the greatest game ever, and I may think that NBA2k7 is the greates/best. Neither of us are wrong, but we are not right either. It is just a matter of opinion, and our opinions are not facts.

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  • IMHO, EQ2 is like that hollow chocolate bunny you get for easter.  It looks and tastes good, but soon enough you realize there's nothing underneath that first layer.  Crafting is a waste of energy.  Mob drops beat pretty much anything you can make as a crafter.  The zones feel like playskool playsets and do not give off that "world" feel that I have come to expect from MMO's since their early days of Ultima Online.   Its a hollow lifeless game with no real depth to combat or crafting.  But that's my opinion based on 15months of playtime with the game.  If the latest expansion has corrected these flaws then great.  But I'll never play it again.
  • ASmith84ASmith84 Member Posts: 979
    guildwars has the highest rating.  so i would say thats the best.  plus its not even a mmo which is pretty sad to all true mmo's. 
  • festersonfesterson Member UncommonPosts: 8
    First Post. Huzzah!



    I just started playing EQ2 a couple of months ago. Artwork is much better than WoW, imo. BUT the skins/textures/whatever-they-be-called take a long time to load, so as you walk around you initially see mobs with no hair and basic clothes and then once everything loads up the helmets, hair, armor appears. Bugs the heck out of me, but its a small peave, except when the mobs pop out of nowhere, then I get pissed.



    (I don't think its a hardware issue.  My pc is good not great. 2.6 ghz, 1 gig ram, nvidia 7600 GT (AGP version), but even at the "Balanced" setting (and one lower) the above behavior is standard for me. Seems like the devs went down a particular design path and maybe hit a wall.)



    Community is good. Quests are fun. IMO, there's much more of realistic feel than you get in WoW. For example take the Crushbone area in the Faydwer expansion pack. I get much more of a feeling of a "war" about to happen than I do in WoW. Orc warriors train in battle, trainers overlook their efforts. Supply runners and messengers scuttling back and forth between the camps. Not bad.



    Is it "the best"? I don't know, pick your poison I guess. It's not bad, very good in fact, but I'm waiting for something else. Like many people here it seems.
  • TyrranosaurTyrranosaur Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Originally posted by festerson

    First Post. Huzzah!



    I just started playing EQ2 a couple of months ago. Artwork is much better than WoW, imo. BUT the skins/textures/whatever-they-be-called take a long time to load, so as you walk around you initially see mobs with no hair and basic clothes and then once everything loads up the helmets, hair, armor appears. Bugs the heck out of me, but its a small peave, except when the mobs pop out of nowhere, then I get pissed.



    (I don't think its a hardware issue.  My pc is good not great. 2.6 ghz, 1 gig ram, nvidia 7600 GT (AGP version), but even at the "Balanced" setting (and one lower) the above behavior is standard for me. Seems like the devs went down a particular design path and maybe hit a wall.)



    Community is good. Quests are fun. IMO, there's much more of realistic feel than you get in WoW. For example take the Crushbone area in the Faydwer expansion pack. I get much more of a feeling of a "war" about to happen than I do in WoW. Orc warriors train in battle, trainers overlook their efforts. Supply runners and messengers scuttling back and forth between the camps. Not bad.



    Is it "the best"? I don't know, pick your poison I guess. It's not bad, very good in fact, but I'm waiting for something else. Like many people here it seems.



    I've got a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz with a Geforce 7300 GT card (PCI Express) and 1 Gb ram....I have never seen the pop up effect in EQ2 you are describing, and mobs rez in at the maximum draw distance I can set it for, so I'm really not sure what to say. Now, I have seen that effect before....only my older 2.6 Ghz Pentium PC with a Geforce 5600 FX card.

    But yeah, I just defected to EQ2 this week from WoW, where I suffered from terminal burn out. To me, EQ2 feels like a game that evolved from the D&D era of gaming (a good thing from my perspective), where you can go anywhere, do anything, and have a lot of creative control over your character. WoW feels like it evolved from Diablo 2.....a sophisicated version of Diablo 2, admittedly, but ultimately still the same game.

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  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490



    Saying an MMO is the "best" is always a touchy debate as it is a subjective topic. To not take up a lot of space I will shorten the reasons for this. You may think that Pokemon Blue is the greatest game ever, and I may think that NBA2k7 is the greates/best. Neither of us are wrong, but we are not right either. It is just a matter of opinion, and our opinions are not facts.
    An abundance of sense. Now will come some WoW player proclaiming WoW is, in fact, the best mmorpg since it has the most players and the best reviews.
  • ssnautilusssnautilus Member Posts: 373
    Originally posted by festerson

    First Post. Huzzah!



    I just started playing EQ2 a couple of months ago. Artwork is much better than WoW, imo. BUT the skins/textures/whatever-they-be-called take a long time to load, so as you walk around you initially see mobs with no hair and basic clothes and then once everything loads up the helmets, hair, armor appears. Bugs the heck out of me, but its a small peave, except when the mobs pop out of nowhere, then I get pissed.



    (I don't think its a hardware issue.  My pc is good not great. 2.6 ghz, 1 gig ram, nvidia 7600 GT (AGP version), but even at the "Balanced" setting (and one lower) the above behavior is standard for me. Seems like the devs went down a particular design path and maybe hit a wall.)

    You have to tweak some settings - something to do with distance and quality of mobs - and it will be fine. EQ can be a strain on most latest systems too - its a heavy (probably inefficient coded) engine.
  • festersonfesterson Member UncommonPosts: 8
    WARNING: Hijacking thread...







    Thanks. I'll give that a shot. Can anyone make some recommendations for the setting(s)?







    We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.



    Thank you.
  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671

    No!

  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    I would set it on balanced.  On my system it worked pretty well.

    AMD 4400+

    1 gig ram

    X1650 vid card

    On the highest setting, the game still runs more then a frame a second, but its not playable.

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  • WARCRYtmWARCRYtm Member Posts: 875
    If this numbers are real EQ2 is the first game that after his prime (300k) gone down to 170k, and than surpaced his original prime to 320k.
  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697
    Originally posted by ssnautilus

    EQ2 has always been stable - and will remain so. It is a very high quality MOG and the community is mature and excellent.



    You may be surprised but you will soon be seeing MORE subscriptions for SWG from now onwards! :) They have catered to all professions recently and are now bringing back CH as well! :) So old-timers who left earlier are now actually coming back. :)



    You work for SoE, don't you?  ( teasing )

    EQ2 was sure as heck NOT stable from launch up until I left.  I played from 2 weeks post launch until February of 2006, and watched the game move from a semi-stable platform with a decent combat system to an unstable platform with a reinvented combat system full of bugs and glitches.

    I would rather play "Catch the flaming turd" than give any more of my hard earned cash to SoE.

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  • ZarraaZarraa Member Posts: 481


    Is EQII the best MMO in any one area, I'd say No.



    However it scores strong in gameplay mechanics, stability, UI, crafting, game depth, customiztaion & graphics. Again not dominant in any one area but high enough in all of them to be the cumulative best atm.



    I say atm as there's some potential cumulative bests on the horizon. by now I'm sure you know the usual suspects.

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  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544

    It is all opinion based people, people rate games diffrently than others. Even the people who write official reviews do it based on their opinion. These are not facts.

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  • JarloJarlo Member Posts: 221

    EQ2 is a bit of a strange bird for me, I have played it off & on for a few years and never to a very high lvl, I think my monk is in the 30's.  It is fun but it just never grabbed me like eq1, wow, daoc have.  I will likely play around with it as I'm planning on toying with all the SOE games (PS I am really liking after taking a few years off, VG messing with as they iron things out, gonna take SWG for a spin, etc).  I find I love these games until they become more work than fun in the end game/raiding area of each game.. so why not play several games NOT in the end game?

     

    I'm hoping that can tide me over till Age of Conan at least!

     

  • lomillerlomiller Member Posts: 1,810

    EQ2 is doing fairly well but the OP’s subscriber estimates are high. While SOE does indeed report 680K subscribers the presence of all access is probably throwing off the estimates. There are probably a lot of people with access to SWG, PS and Matrix Online that don’t play but are still counted as subscribers because they have all access. Boosting these naturally reduces the estimate for EQ2. I’m guessing EQ2 is in the low 200K range.



    Originally posted by CleffyII

    I would set it on balanced.  On my system it worked pretty well.
    AMD 4400+
    1 gig ram
    X1650 vid card
    On the highest setting, the game still runs more then a frame a second, but its not playable.


    You don’t have enough memory. With 2GB RAM and 512MB video EQ2 is mostly processor limited but anything reasonably current will run fine on highest settings if you turn down the shadows a bit.

    NPC’s, textures etc loading late is a common symptom of having a little too much stress on the CPU. Turing down shadows, cloth simulations, capes and a few UI options can help somewhat.

  • larrylf38larrylf38 Member UncommonPosts: 3

    This topic should be based on ones own idea that idea is the one playing the MMO. I say this because it depends on the individuals own desires of game play. Some people perfer Si-fi over Fantasy and some old school perfer the old graphics over the new. So this i believe leaves it to be the best of the best is the one you as an individual perfer to play the most.

    Played EQ, EQ2, SHADOWBANE,HORIZONS, EARTH AND BEYOND, EVE, SWG, PLANETSIDE, WOW, MATRIX, DDO, LOTRO, FFXI, COH, COV, ANARCHY ONLINE, AUTO ASSUALT, DAOC, GW, LINEAGE II, RF ONLINE, SILKROAD, ULTIMA ONLINE, VANGUARD, HERO, MYTHWAR, 9 DRAGONS,POTBS,  RAPPELZ, DUNGEON RUNNER

  • festersonfesterson Member UncommonPosts: 8
    Thanks all for advice. I'll tweak the "Balanced settings a bit and see what happens. Man, sorta bummed that  512MB on my vid card and 1GB on my mobo is still not enough to play a game that came out over 2 yrs ago (Is that right? I think it is. Crikey!)
  • BuzWeaverBuzWeaver Member UncommonPosts: 978

    EQII had the potential to be a great MMO, not that it isn’t now, however the advent of locked encounters, chained/linked mobs, the inability to random buff/heal players and the linear feel cramped the game and made it feel micromanaged for the sake of keeping players from exploiting or being a general nuisances to one another. I understand a lot has changed since I beta tested and played at launch, however I’ve not gone back.

     

    I felt it had decent graphics, it played well, I liked the environment, and I enjoyed the player interactivity and social element. It had a nice feel to it, but the initial locked encounter and combat speed really cramped my style of play (Old Druid player in EQ). I certainly feel the game is better than Vanguard, in retrospect. I thought the crafting was pretty neat, interesting concept at least one of the better ones I’ve seen in a while.


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  • CiredricCiredric Member Posts: 723

    I was bored and resuscribed.   Is it the best MMO, all depends in what you want from a MMO.  If you like pvp it is most probably not the game for you. 

    The game is much better now, it was pretty bad at release.  Typical Sony they released the game ahead of Blizzard and fell flat on their face with an unfinished game.   Just as they did again this year with Vanguard.

    There seems to be a distinct lack of players at the lower levels.  I think they have a decent playerbase, just that it did not seem to me that many new players were playing.  Could be just the server I was playing on.

    It is Sony's best game by far.  Just don't know if they can recapture the players to try it.

    Sony is lying through their teeth if they say that SWG has a 100k paying accounts.  I checked out all their lastest changes and the two servers I played on were virtually empty.  I will be surprised if that game makes it through another year.

  • w175jabw175jab Member Posts: 239
    Just because it had a horrible launch doesn't doom the game...



    Massive improvements have been made to EQ2 since launch.



    V:SoH had a relatively unpleasant lunch and is slowly improving as most MMOs tend to do.



    SOE is a little but whatever



    I'll have to give the trial a go here soon... I don't think 7 days is nearly enough time to decide if I'd spend the money to buy the game or not though.
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