i havnt really played it when soe took over except over my friends house. when i started fighting someone the numbers that you generate didnt come up. it was like all random and stuff. now to me thats not really fair. if your a higher lvl you should be generating higher numbers. now that its all random a lvl 1 could actually hit a lvl 50. probably not all that big of deal but it pretty much makes everyone equal in my opinion. higher lvls should have the advantage. if they dont like that they should of got rid of lvls then.
What I meant was that it was just the part of the team continuing their project under a new company, rather than "SOE screwing up Lith's game".
The numbers, or rolls, were random aswell, to a certain degree. Of course, different buffs, abilities and levels influenced it, but it was random.
Now, I'm not sure if the numbers just aren't visible, or the system works somehow different (combat nub, what can I say...), something about accuracy vs. defense. Anyway, it's still random to a degree, and still depends on the fighters' qualities as before.
Under CR 2.0, combatants generally hit each other much more - but keep in mind, while a level will likely hit a level 50 in a duel, the damage he'll do will be vanishingly low, while the higher one's damage will be devastating. Even when there are few levels inbetween, like 5, the advantage of the higher one is more than significant.
Of course, higher levels still have a huge advantage, but the new system makes it a bit more fair, and gives more significance to combatant numbers.
SoE didnt improve the game with the combat system, that was Lith's doing. Most everything you have gotten now is all developments made under Lith that they never got the time to apply before the sell out.
The story and events in mxo have no appeal. The writer must be on crack or something to spurt out stuff like giant fly monster, pewpew laser eyes and dancing pair of LEGS.
Story poorly written and players have no influence on it. That is is you are lucky to participate, because believe it or not, Live Events are kept SECRET. So when it happens, if you don't have the chance to know the right players, you are more likely to never stumble into one.
Events generally consist on: Meeting somewhere (generally a club), Chasing someone, killing NPCs. That's it.
Story progression happens like once a month.
Fanbois will also tell you that the community is the best. Well of course, the small numbers of subscribers are divided into 2: matrix fans and juvenile pvpers. If you can impress them by polishing their ego or talking about pvp sploitz and leet tactics, they might accept you in their little circle. And if you happen to be hardcore fan, they might even invite you to sit with them on their bench, telling matrix stories while waiting for the next event.
The story is the only thing keeping this game alive, without it, it would've died long ago (somewhere, someone stated correctly that if this game weren't Matrix-based and instead just an independent game, it wouldn't have lasted the time it took for SoE to takeover). While I'll give you the Anome part (that was the most ludicrous Matrix-related story I've heard, which can be related to the Wachowski's blessing upon Chadwick which allows him some liberties with the storyline). And yes, players don't have any real impact, never did.
Participating isn't a matter of connections, it's a matter of being online. If you have a lot of time to spare, you'll be at more events than those who don't. Also, you can speak to the characters and get info as to what's going on. And any event is going somwhere and killing things; you're just being spiteful there.
Other than that, while some of the story content is up for debate, it's still an aspect that is unique to MxO to this day, two years after its inception.
And I don't even know why the rest about the community is in there. Seems a deviation from the topic at hand to me, which is a no-no for OP's.
While I'll give you the Anome part (that was the most ludicrous Matrix-related story I've heard, which can be related to the Wachowski's blessing upon Chadwick which allows him some liberties with the storyline).
1. After months and months, I still fail to realize what is so ludicrous about it.
2. Chadwick is the actual writer of the storyline, the "blessing" should include like 90% or something.
While I'll give you the Anome part (that was the most ludicrous Matrix-related story I've heard, which can be related to the Wachowski's blessing upon Chadwick which allows him some liberties with the storyline).
1. After months and months, I still fail to realize what is so ludicrous about it.
2. Chadwick is the actual writer of the storyline, the "blessing" should include like 90% or something.
rarebit is teh mayne riter. chadwick is only part time
Hail Neo, full of pwnage, Morpheus is with thee Blessed art thou among Zion, and blessed is the roundhouse against Smith. Holy Neo, pray for us now, and at the hour of Victory, Amen.
While I'll give you the Anome part (that was the most ludicrous Matrix-related story I've heard, which can be related to the Wachowski's blessing upon Chadwick which allows him some liberties with the storyline).
1. After months and months, I still fail to realize what is so ludicrous about it.
2. Chadwick is the actual writer of the storyline, the "blessing" should include like 90% or something.
1. If you still fail to see the horrible mistake that was Anome, then there's no point in explaining lol You obviously bought into it.
2. The Wachowski's set a theme for the first year of storyline, which included the Anome bit, and allowed Chadwick to do some things on his own, which included, unfortunately, Anome. But, you don't see a problem with that aspect of the story, so...to each his own
1. If it's about the plot structure and anti-climactic ending, I would probably understand it. If it is simply in accordance with someone's taste, I would probably tolerate it.
Apart form that, no thanks. I want to see something convincing, because honestly, the attempts at rational explanation I've seen so far were mostly nonsensical and contradictory.
Yor own included, my friend. I remember your comment about it on the "SOE discussion" forum, and posted two rather long posts about it, partially responding to your points which seemed rather thoughtless to me.
If there's anyone out there who could say "you don't understand and I won't explain therefore" and make me take it seriously, it certainly wouldn't be you.
1. If it's about the plot structure and anti-climactic ending, I would probably understand it. If it is simply in accordance with someone's taste, I would probably tolerate it.
Apart form that, no thanks. I want to see something convincing, because honestly, the attempts at rational explanation I've seen so far were mostly nonsensical and contradictory.
Yor own included, my friend. I remember your comment about it on the "SOE discussion" forum, and posted two rather long posts about it, partially responding to your points which seemed rather thoughtless to me.
If there's anyone out there who could say "you don't understand and I won't explain therefore" and make me take it seriously, it certainly wouldn't be you.
I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself. I still think the Anome story sucked. You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes. Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does. My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects. I'm not an idiot, in spite of what you may think through my outrage on the SoE boards, I know philosophy, but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it, and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance.
From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained. And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge.
I could go on, but I've argued this many times, and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from. If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool. The only fool here isn't you, or me, it's whoever ok'd this storyline to go through. It took 7 months for this disaster to pan out, and lost a lot of people's interest, including mine. Hell, check out mxostory.com and you'll see grief from superjenius on the story.
The reason why I decided to leave MxO is not only because of the snail-crawl of not only the story and content updates, but of people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego. You can laugh or get offended or whatever you like, frankly I don't care, I hate talking with you elitist types. I see your posts over on DN1 and all's it is are these haughty "well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about" replies that leave no room for error. It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone.
Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down, and that's why I'm better off. Everyone who's left is better off. All of you, as I've said a year ago, bitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left.
So hey, have a good time with MxO. I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks, for, as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours
So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you.
"Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does."
"It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone."
Seeing as you've missed my rants and complaints about lag, animation bugs and I actually do agree with many negative opinions/statements about this game, consider it rather average myself and don't play as much anyway, the part with the game is simply wrong.
I wonder if I ever made a post with the attitude "MxO is great". Disclaimer: never happened.
As for praising the story, well, I generally don't like praising, but it's really so that I accept far more than some other people. However, I also do look at some parts sceptically, and have voiced some criticisms. So again, rebutted.
"and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from."
I disregard emotion for data... because my premise in all these Unlimit discussions is that I'm talking about the god damn data, not emotions.
I've been emphasizing this for ever.
It doesn't mean I find emotions superfluous, but sometimes I'm just not talking about them.
"If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool."
As a reader, I was actually engaged because I found it interesting and tense. Accordingly, I was disappointed when it disappeared into (almost) nothing.
I don't make anything up of thin air, that would be just me trying to put my reasons on paper.
"people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego."
But knowledge is leverage, and my ego is always satisfied when someone else knows less than me
"well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about"
But that's how it all really is
"Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down"
What's wrong about using information in discussions? Wow.
" All of youbitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left."
I'm not bitter, I'm not spiteful and I'm not diehard - I'm just someone who has an interest in MxO and therefore maintains his subscription.
There are other things in my life apart from computer gaming and MxO, didn't you know that?
"I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks"
You said I use information and data, in order to get my point through, or "put people down" (the latter one is only the case when there's hostility in the conversation).
So if I rely on information and knowldge so much, according to yourself, then how please can I have "blind views"?
"as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours "
Niice, you got your revenge. I'm gonna cry at the corner over there, while you can sleep better.
But, let's look at it more carefully:
When I say "I don't care about you telling me I don't understand something and eplanation is pointless" - it's because the arguments and explanations I've got from you so far were mostly either everything but convincing and logical, or simply non-existent.
So, if someone who blatantly failed at bringing his point across in a convincing or comprehensible way and refused further discussion or explanation accuses me of not understanding something that's too obvious to be eplained further-on, I naturally don't put any value on it.
What when you say "I don't care about your opinion", what are your reasons for saying so? If, according to yourself, I use information and data, and my points often contain tangible arguments, and basically react to every paragraph you write - what reason would you have not to consider my "opinion" except of your pride, and the conviction "I'm not gonna change any opinions because of something this jerk tells me lol"?
Because I don't think you've thought so far, I'll pose my question differently: what are your reasons for saying this apart from your urge to take revenge on some remark, and what else is this remark of yours than a mere cheap shot?
"So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you."
While I am, to a degree, an outsider both in real life as in the "MxO community", I know for sure that there are people who like or respect me, to some degree.
On the other side, as I said, I'm not so much about being a part of the community or being liked by everyone, so your intelligent way of concluding a rant post loses all its value.
Now that we're done with this flaming bullshit...
"and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance."
1) First off, I never claimed to be a huuuuge Matrix fan, and I don't care how ever I "come off".
As for the movies, there were aspects about the first movie and especially the sequels that I didn't like, but generally, I'm very positive about them and disagree with most of the negativity.
Call it open-mindedness, I accepted lots of the stuff that "didn't feel right".
By the way, I wonder how you can call me less of a Matrix fan if I, for example, liked the movies more than others. First and foremost, it's opinion, and why should one opinion, especially if it's more positive, make me less of a fan? Does that make any sense at all?
2) And on to the next point: if you had really read my posts about this topic more or less carefully, you'd know that I base my "protection" of the Unlimit arc (claimed to be "unMatrixy") on a premise: that the movies were Matrixy.
Think for yourself: if I ask "how are the Unlimits less Matrixy than the Twins"? Well, that surely doesn't make any sense if someone already thought the Twins sucked, eh? Exactly.
In this case, the only issue I'd have to argue about would be the word "Matrixy" actually excluding lots of the original movie material.
3) As long as we're talking about "feel" and perception, I already said right above you that I couldn't argue with someone's mere *opinion*, so why are you telling me this at all?
4) Also, I wonder what you call "substance". Philosophy in the Matrix exists in the form of philosophical dialogues or allusions, but apart from that, there's action, characters and mere storyline
The sequels were full of that, as was the Anome arc (the latter one even lacked real philosophy as most of MxO) - so why no substance?
"I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself."
I don't care about any excuses - if something's contradictory, and can be disproved or questioned to the degree that it loses any objective value, then apparently it isn't a very valid argument to base both one own's opionion on as to convince anyone else of it.
What you do with that is your business.
"You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes."
By "it makes no sense", what do you mean?
That it's unfitting and superfluous for the Matrix franchise, and therefore it makes "no sense" to include something like this? But you see, my opinion on this is totally different, and I've been talking about exactly this all the time in that thread.
If you mean logical gaps or consistency, well, these few sentences were all you wrote about it:
"Why would the General toss an important item? What was Niobe doing without her crew in the first place? None of it makes sense."
The second one is just stupid and invalid.
The first one, at that point, was invalid at its best. Right now, I'm still not sure if it was explicitely explained. Either he wanted to help the humans to fight the Machines, or to cause the end of the Truce due to Zion possessing these illegal powers.
If it ends up making no sense, I'll acknowledge it, but right now, I'd say it does and I simply have forgotten some details.
So the writer's mistakes actually seem to be your lack of basic understanding, and when I'm explaining or discussing that, I'm trying to cover them up, yes? Brilliant logic.
"My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects."
What you said in that thread consisted of vague, and at least to me, nonsensical remarks, which you refused to clarify or protect, nothing about "how it was told".
I love how you call that a "philosophical lecture", because it proves that you haven't grasped anything I've written. It had nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever, it was all about characters, plot and SF.
I obviously tried to argue why this plot was interesting to me, bringing up these aspects.
"From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained."
They are ability codes that once belonged to Agents in a previous Matrix version. They were removed due to causing too many problems, but contained by the Machines.
The General hired the Demon's Army gang to steal the case from Kalt Chemical.
Everything has been explained.
"And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge."
Actually, right now I'm a bit confused about the General's aims, which I think he even changed here and there.
I think first he wanted to disrupt the Truce and restart the War, but then decided to take revenge at the Machines or destroy the Matrix.
At one point, he said he wanted to help the humans, or Zion, but then he felt betrayed by them and decided to take revenge again.
I'm a bit lost here at the moment, which is first and foremost my own fault.
However, he certainly didn't aim to use these powers himself, all of these aims speak for handing them out to Zion. And since this is the only point of your paragraph, it's rebutted.
"but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it"
So you're a writer who knows a shitty story when you see it, eh?
You overlook the most trivial explanations the storyline gives, or maybe don't even read it in its entirety, and proclaim your glaring lack of knowledge and understanding as storyline demerits without even questioning it.
Tells lots about how great of a writer you are. Even more, of a story reviewer.
1. If it's about the plot structure and anti-climactic ending, I would probably understand it. If it is simply in accordance with someone's taste, I would probably tolerate it.
Apart form that, no thanks. I want to see something convincing, because honestly, the attempts at rational explanation I've seen so far were mostly nonsensical and contradictory.
Yor own included, my friend. I remember your comment about it on the "SOE discussion" forum, and posted two rather long posts about it, partially responding to your points which seemed rather thoughtless to me.
If there's anyone out there who could say "you don't understand and I won't explain therefore" and make me take it seriously, it certainly wouldn't be you.
I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself. I still think the Anome story sucked. You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes. Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does. My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects. I'm not an idiot, in spite of what you may think through my outrage on the SoE boards, I know philosophy, but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it, and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance.
From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained. And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge.
I could go on, but I've argued this many times, and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from. If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool. The only fool here isn't you, or me, it's whoever ok'd this storyline to go through. It took 7 months for this disaster to pan out, and lost a lot of people's interest, including mine. Hell, check out mxostory.com and you'll see grief from superjenius on the story.
The reason why I decided to leave MxO is not only because of the snail-crawl of not only the story and content updates, but of people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego. You can laugh or get offended or whatever you like, frankly I don't care, I hate talking with you elitist types. I see your posts over on DN1 and all's it is are these haughty "well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about" replies that leave no room for error. It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone.
Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down, and that's why I'm better off. Everyone who's left is better off. All of you, as I've said a year ago, bitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left.
So hey, have a good time with MxO. I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks, for, as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours
So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you.
Well said, but he's not an elitist. He is a no-body who just started playing a year ago after the game died. I don't think he plays actually, I think he reads DN1, comes up with some nitpicking thing about the story, then comes here, attempts to talk about the game, then rants, changes the subject from the game to this minor story idea, then go further and further off topic. In other words, he's a troll, ignore him.
Well said, but he's not an elitist. He is a no-body who just started playing a year ago after the game died. I don't think he plays actually, I think he reads DN1, comes up with some nitpicking thing about the story, then comes here, attempts to talk about the game, then rants, changes the subject from the game to this minor story idea, then go further and further off topic. In other words, he's a troll, ignore him.
What a moron.
I've been playing for more than 1 1/2 years, not one year.
I'm a "nobody"? What is that supposed to mean? Who cares about who I am? I'm some MxO player who's quite well known on the forums, and none of this has any impact on what I have to say.
You missed the game, you joined after it died. You just hit level 50, you're insignificant and ignorant. So is your opinion.
As I said just in the post above, I play relatively little, but I do play. Continue making stupid assumptions and a fool of yourself.
This also goes for the rest of your post. Everything you claim to know about my intentions is made up bullshit.
I read and post on the DN1 forums, and I read and post on this section of MMORPG. This is how simple it is, and all "connection" there is between me posting here and posting there.
I don't "come up" with any nitpicking story thing, I have certain opinions about it that I simply voice, aswell here here there. If you don't like me doing this, I don't give a fuck, so gtfo.
You fail at adressing anything any one says, you go off on your own obscure rants and expect people to disect them to satisfy your ego, all the while missing the point. GG, stay on topic.
This entire thread is about the story, including the OP. I'm not going off-topic by posting on topic, dipshit.
And anyway, I was directly replying to Aiolos, so if I were off-topic, which I wasn't, I wouldn't be the thread hijacker.
Right this thread, not the countless others you have hijacked. I was filling him in on your typical MO. PS: It's also about events which are a sham. I'm sure you agree.
By the way, quite ironical that it's him you're telling this about me, considering he actually posted a story comment in a thread about the game and SOE (on DN1), with me merely responding to it (although quite lengthily).
It was also him who wrote paragraphs of text in response my few lines, right here, of which like 2/3 was personal flaming.
Oh, I almost forgot - you've just done the same. Popped into the thread out of nowhere without contributing a line to the topic; the entire content of your post is flaming, dumb and poorly written on top of that.
Isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to accuse me of going off-topic, while behaving like that?
Idiot.
Good rubber and glue response.
The story in MXO died in 2005 as did the events. The game failed, the events are basically some guy logging in, talking for a few mins and nothing really happens. That is not how the game was marketed and it's a shame it turned out that way. The fanboy's let SOE do this by constantly supporting this crap and flaming people who wanted more from the game. Just like this guy does all the time.
You missed the game, you joined after it died. You just hit level 50, you're insignificant and ignorant. So is your opinion.
What a shame nothing I said to Aiolos in this thread had to do with the LET or Monolith, thus making your first point useless.
What a shame this entire discussion has nothing to do with XP levels, the levelling process or any exclusive knowledge gained at level 50 (which I've reached).
You have a few (weak) arguments to why I'm ignorant in certain areas, and claim I'm ignorant in all areas. That's a plain logical fallacy there.
Apparently, you just desperately look for some pathetic excuses to make me look like an ignoramus, instead of quoting some on-topic statement and rebutting it, and you fail at it exactly because of this.
I hope you'll realize how stupid you make yourself sound, and cease this bullshit.
You fail at adressing anything any one says, you go off on your own obscure rants and expect people to disect them to satisfy your ego, all the while missing the point. GG, stay on topic.
While I fail, you don't even try to and instead spam this thread with stupid flaming bullshit.
And I don't fail at all. For example, I quote and address each piece of nonsense you try to throw at me, rebutting it and making you look like the idiot you are.
Aiolos made some statements to the topic and his/my recent or previous posts, and I addressed them accordingly. If you think otherwise, you can't read. Simple as that.
It doesn't satisfy my ego when someone replies to me - only when people
1) acknowledge I'm right
2) respond in an unsatisfying, contradictory and avoiding way
3) don't respond at all
1-3) when all of this occurs in a hostile debate. I've participated in several constructive and friendly debates on DN1, of which I've gained additional knowledge and understanding and respect for my opponents, and there I didn't give a flying fuck about some stupid ego.
Right this thread, not the countless others you have hijacked. I was filling him in on your typical MO. PS: It's also about events which are a sham. I'm sure you agree.
I don't remember these other threads, but seeing as how you can't read or comprehend shit even here, as innumerable times in those threads you're probably referring to, I don't place any value on this accusation.
I lack creativity and initiative, so I know what I mostly do is replying to other people's posts. Thus, I suppose whenever I partook in hijacking a topic into a wrong topic or personal flamewars, it was mostly triggered by someone else. But I can't tell for sure, and I don't care.
You just hijacked this thread with some accusations originating in other threads, so there, hypocrite.
The story in MXO died in 2005 as did the events. The game failed, the events are basically some guy logging in, talking for a few mins and nothing really happens. That is not how the game was marketed and it's a shame it turned out that way. The fanboy's let SOE do this by constantly supporting this crap and flaming people who wanted more from the game. Just like this guy does all the time.
I don't know what kind of meaning you attach to the word "to die", but as a matter of fact, the story is continuing regularly and reliably, as do events take place like 3-5 times in a week.
As I've heard from other people, events usually endure for approximately one hour, not a few minutes.
And as I haven't heard from other people but easily have observed in live event posts, events progress the storyline, contain tasks, action/combat and often play back prewritten scenarios.
Congratulations, you don't know bloody shit about live events in MxO.
If you think I flame, heck, even simply disagree with anyone wanting more from the game, you're truly a pathetic dipshit who lacks any reading comprehension and sense of reality.
But of course, nothing I say is gonna change your misguided opinion, I wonder why I give trouble and contribute to this thread being locked.
What a shame nothing I said to Aiolos in this thread had to do with the LET or Monolith, thus making your first point useless.
What a shame this entire discussion has nothing to do with XP levels, the levelling process or any exclusive knowledge gained at level 50 (which I've reached).
You have a few (weak) arguments to why I'm ignorant in certain areas, and claim I'm ignorant in all areas. That's a plain logical fallacy there.
Apparently, you just desperately look for some pathetic excuses to make me look like an ignoramus, instead of quoting some on-topic statement and rebutting it, and you fail at it exactly because of this.
I hope you'll realize how stupid you make yourself sound, and cease this bullshit.
It's not about what you said to him, I didn't say it was. Pay attention. See this is where you ramble about things that have nothing to do with the point.
While I fail, you don't even try to and instead spam this thread with stupid flaming bullshit.
And I don't fail at all. For example, I quote and address each piece of nonsense you try to throw at me, rebutting it and making you look like an idiot you are.
Aiolos made some statements to the topic and his/my recent or previous posts, and I addressed them accordingly. If you think otherwise, you can't read. Simple as that.
It doesn't satisfy my ego when someone replies to me - only when people
1) acknowledge I'm right
2) respond in an unsatisfying, contradictory and avoiding way
3) don't respond at all
I know that's how you see it, it's also why you're a troll.
I don't remember these other threads, but seeing as how you can't read or comprehend shit even here, I don't place any value on this accusation.
I lack creativity and initiative, so I know what I mostly do is replying to other people's posts. Thus, I suppose whenever I partook in hijacking a topic into a wrong topic or personal flamewars, it was mostly triggered by someone else. But I can't tell for sure, and I don't care.
You just hijacked this thread with some accusations originating in other threads, so there, hypocrite.
Alberto?
I don't know what kind of meaning you attach to the word "to die", but as a matter of fact, the story is continuing regularly and reliably, as do events take place like 3-5 times in a week. LOL! See this is your ignorace, lets watch it continue.
As I've heard from other people, events usually endure for approximately one hour, not a few minutes.
And as I haven't heard from other people but easily have observed in live event posts, events progress the storyline, contain tasks, action/combat and often play back prewritten scenarios.
These "events" are bullshit. You have no clue what you're talking about. A honda and a bently are both cars sure, but they're not really the same.
Congratulations, you don't know bloody shit about live events in MxO.
This is ironic.
If you think I flame, heck, even simply disagree with anyone wanting more from the game, you're truly a pathetic dipshit who lacks any reading comprehension and sense of reality.
You do constantly and always have, but hey, you can cloudwolf got a version of the barber shops you wanted so bad. Too bad real ideas were drowned out by your SOE fanclub.
But of course, nothing I say is gonna change your misguided opinion, I wonder why I give trouble and contribute to this thread being locked. So you flame away then asked for the thread to be locked. Gratz
It's not about what you said to him, I didn't say it was. Pay attention. See this is where you ramble about things that have nothing to do with the point.
Then what is it about? I don't feel like speculating.
It still doesn't rebut any point I've made in this thread, or in the recent days, so it's still worthless.
It took me such a long way to level because
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
Whenever I don't deny any of this, or actually don't talk about this at all, there's absolutely no point for you to bring it up, except for throwing a general tantrum at my person.
I know that's how you see it, it's also why you're a troll.
But it rebuts what you previously said, so apparently you didn't know that.
And read the edit.
These "events" are bullshit. You have no clue what you're talking about. A honda and a bently are both cars sure, but they're not really the same.
So what? I stated facts, and you said false bullshit. The fact, or claim that the events lack quality doesn't change this, or anything I've said.
This is ironic.
It's not, because I've read through almost each live event post "released" so far, and even though they merely sum up and leave out stuff, it's enough to have a sufficient knowledge about what kind of stuff is going on there.
This knowledge is nothing compared to the knowledge of those who also partake there, but judging after your idiotic claims, more than enough to disprove any bullshit you spew.
I didn't want any barber shops, that was either some moron posting in the dev roundtable, or you posting stupid mockery before you got banned.
I wonder which ideas were drowned up by "my SOE fanclub" (a company I don't care about, a fanclub I'm not aware of to be a part of), rather than being ignored or deemed unfeasible by the devs reading them.
The story and events in mxo have no appeal. The writer must be on crack or something to spurt out stuff like giant fly monster, pewpew laser eyes and dancing pair of LEGS.
Story poorly written and players have no influence on it. That is is you are lucky to participate, because believe it or not, Live Events are kept SECRET. So when it happens, if you don't have the chance to know the right players, you are more likely to never stumble into one.
Events generally consist on: Meeting somewhere (generally a club), Chasing someone, killing NPCs. That's it.
Story progression happens like once a month.
Fanbois will also tell you that the community is the best. Well of course, the small numbers of subscribers are divided into 2: matrix fans and juvenile pvpers. If you can impress them by polishing their ego or talking about pvp sploitz and leet tactics, they might accept you in their little circle. And if you happen to be hardcore fan, they might even invite you to sit with them on their bench, telling matrix stories while waiting for the next event.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
No it proves that the game, sucks so much, a fanboy can't even be bothered to play it.
The story and events in mxo have no appeal. The writer must be on crack or something to spurt out stuff like giant fly monster, pewpew laser eyes and dancing pair of LEGS.
Story poorly written and players have no influence on it. That is is you are lucky to participate, because believe it or not, Live Events are kept SECRET. So when it happens, if you don't have the chance to know the right players, you are more likely to never stumble into one.
Events generally consist on: Meeting somewhere (generally a club), Chasing someone, killing NPCs. That's it.
Story progression happens like once a month.
Fanbois will also tell you that the community is the best. Well of course, the small numbers of subscribers are divided into 2: matrix fans and juvenile pvpers. If you can impress them by polishing their ego or talking about pvp sploitz and leet tactics, they might accept you in their little circle. And if you happen to be hardcore fan, they might even invite you to sit with them on their bench, telling matrix stories while waiting for the next event.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
Apart from supporting this *opinion* of yours, this post you so kindly quoted for me also included lots of misinformation that was also kindly rebutted by myself.
Why did you go back and quote that post? You better would have quoted by rebuttals and told me they were wrong, but this is just lame.
The story and events in mxo have no appeal. The writer must be on crack or something to spurt out stuff like giant fly monster, pewpew laser eyes and dancing pair of LEGS.
Story poorly written and players have no influence on it. That is is you are lucky to participate, because believe it or not, Live Events are kept SECRET. So when it happens, if you don't have the chance to know the right players, you are more likely to never stumble into one.
Events generally consist on: Meeting somewhere (generally a club), Chasing someone, killing NPCs. That's it.
Story progression happens like once a month.
Fanbois will also tell you that the community is the best. Well of course, the small numbers of subscribers are divided into 2: matrix fans and juvenile pvpers. If you can impress them by polishing their ego or talking about pvp sploitz and leet tactics, they might accept you in their little circle. And if you happen to be hardcore fan, they might even invite you to sit with them on their bench, telling matrix stories while waiting for the next event.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
Apart from supporting this *opinion* of yours, this post you so kindly quoted for me also included lots of misinformation that was also kindly rebutted by myself.
Why did you go back and quote that post? You better would have quoted by rebuttals and told me they were wrong, but this is just lame.
Why do you jump down this guys throat calling his opinion, misinformation, but you don't do the same to Cloudwold and the cheerleader squad. Again, a rhetorical question, we know.
Not really, never was pissed at you actually, just sick of your ego.
"Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does."
"It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone."
Seeing as you've missed my rants and complaints about lag, animation bugs and I actually do agree with many negative opinions/statements about this game, consider it rather average myself and don't play as much anyway, the part with the game is simply wrong.
Again, your analytical mind missed the point I was making. You said so yourself that you are well-known (supposedly, but we have to take you for your word on that, right?) on the forums, and it is exactly in that medium how you destroy the community. And exactly why anyone new (if there is anyone new) fails to get into the game, b/c of people like you.
I wonder if I ever made a post with the attitude "MxO is great". Disclaimer: never happened.
Your blind attitude about the game is evidence enough.
As for praising the story, well, I generally don't like praising, but it's really so that I accept far more than some other people. However, I also do look at some parts sceptically, and have voiced some criticisms. So again, rebutted.
"and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from."
I disregard emotion for data... because my premise in all these Unlimit discussions is that I'm talking about the god damn data, not emotions.
I've been emphasizing this for ever.
It doesn't mean I find emotions superfluous, but sometimes I'm just not talking about them.
I'm not talking story-wise, dumbass. There's no point in talking simple human emotions with you b/c all you probably are is some gamma-sucking computer nerd who's lost touch with such ideas.
"If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool."
As a reader, I was actually engaged because I found it interesting and tense. Accordingly, I was disappointed when it disappeared into (almost) nothing.
You were engaged, yes. Precisely as I imagined you would. Thanks, tool.
I don't make anything up of thin air, that would be just me trying to put my reasons on paper.
Oh? You don't? *looks around* seems to be a lot of people on these boards that think you do.
"people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego."
But knowledge is leverage, and my ego is always satisfied when someone else knows less than me
Ah yes, oh great one. Please tell me how lonesome it is up there on that pedestal of yours
"well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about"
But that's how it all really is
oooo do tell
"Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down"
What's wrong about using information in discussions? Wow.
Durka durka, my name's seandavis, durka durka, I fail to read between lines, durka durka, which is why I have no friends.
" All of youbitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left."
I'm not bitter, I'm not spiteful and I'm not diehard - I'm just someone who has an interest in MxO and therefore maintains his subscription.
There are other things in my life apart from computer gaming and MxO, didn't you know that?
Ah, but I can only take you for your word, and deducing from your poor interpretation skills, I'd imagine you don't have much of a life outside of computer gaming and MxO.
"I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks"
You said I use information and data, in order to get my point through, or "put people down" (the latter one is only the case when there's hostility in the conversation).
So if I rely on information and knowldge so much, according to yourself, then how please can I have "blind views"?
For the same reason I've been giving through this whole post: you don't read between the lines. What lines, you will undoubtedly ask, well, sherlock, the lines I write which will give you a hint at what I'm really trying to say. You've obviously failed to do that, have fallen hard on your face as a matter of fact, and will continue to do so. There's no point in arguing with a stone, am I correct?
"as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours "
Niice, you got your revenge. I'm gonna cry at the corner over there, while you can sleep better.
lol I'm not getting revenge, even though your egotistical mind obviously thought of it that way just to give you a false sense of security. I'm merely explaining, throughout the whole of my previous post, why I never defend my arguments with people like you b/c, as I said, there's no point in arguing with a rock
But, let's look at it more carefully:
When I say "I don't care about you telling me I don't understand something and eplanation is pointless" - it's because the arguments and explanations I've got from you so far were mostly either everything but convincing and logical, or simply non-existent.
And the mere fact that you have failed to grasp them is more than enough reason why there is no point in talking to you.
So, if someone who blatantly failed at bringing his point across in a convincing or comprehensible way and refused further discussion or explanation accuses me of not understanding something that's too obvious to be eplained further-on, I naturally don't put any value on it.
Oh, this is the part where I put stock into an elitist's opinion right? On what he thinks is "worthy" of his "almighty" attention?
What when you say "I don't care about your opinion", what are your reasons for saying so? If, according to yourself, I use information and data, and my points often contain tangible arguments, and basically react to every paragraph you write - what reason would you have not to consider my "opinion" except of your pride, and the conviction "I'm not gonna change any opinions because of something this jerk tells me lol"?
Because you keep basing your "arguments" within the context of the story we're agruing, and that's not what I'm talking about here. Of course now, you're going to read only that part, which is ok, it'll only serve to strengthen my opinion of you. No, what I'm talking about is how this story failed to meet the standards which were set in the first Matrix movie. What standards, you ask? The ambience(?) of the first movie, the tone it implied, not any hard data you seem to get all hot-n-bothered about.
Because I don't think you've thought so far, I'll pose my question differently: what are your reasons for saying this apart from your urge to take revenge on some remark, and what else is this remark of yours than a mere cheap shot?
There you go again with that "revenge" statement to simply satisfy your ego. I believe I've explained myself thoroughly enough. And no, this is not a cheap shot, none of this is, it's just me merely trying to explain something to a prima donna, which, as anyone can plainly tell, is impossible.
"So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you."
While I am, to a degree, an outsider both in real life as in the "MxO community", I know for sure that there are people who like or respect me, to some degree.
You mean your fanclub on MxO yes? Well GG, buddy.
On the other side, as I said, I'm not so much about being a part of the community or being liked by everyone, so your intelligent way of concluding a rant post loses all its value.
To your elitist way of thinking, yes
Now that we're done with this flaming bullshit...
Oh lord...
"and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance."
1) First off, I never claimed to be a huuuuge Matrix fan, and I don't care how ever I "come off".
Which is precisely why no one likes you, as previously stated.
As for the movies, there were aspects about the first movie and especially the sequels that I didn't like, but generally, I'm very positive about them and disagree with most of the negativity.
Call it open-mindedness, I accepted lots of the stuff that "didn't feel right".
As do I, but even someone like you has to admit that the last two movies, due in part mostly to the increase in budget, didn't feel the same as the first one. I'm not asking you to understand this, as you're beyond that, so whatever.
By the way, I wonder how you can call me less of a Matrix fan if I, for example, liked the movies more than others. First and foremost, it's opinion, and why should one opinion, especially if it's more positive, make me less of a fan? Does that make any sense at all?
Of course not. And why should my opinion, especially of the Anome story, have brought all this drama? I'm trying to explain it one way, and you're trying to understand it in another. Of course there's going to be conflict in understanding, but you chose the low road and opted to berate me for my apparent lack of understanding. lol GG
2) And on to the next point: if you had really read my posts about this topic more or less carefully, you'd know that I base my "protection" of the Unlimit arc (claimed to be "unMatrixy") on a premise: that the movies were Matrixy.
Think for yourself: if I ask "how are the Unlimits less Matrixy than the Twins"? Well, that surely doesn't make any sense if someone already thought the Twins sucked, eh? Exactly.
In this case, the only issue I'd have to argue about would be the word "Matrixy" actually excluding lots of the original movie material.
3) As long as we're talking about "feel" and perception, I already said right above you that I couldn't argue with someone's mere *opinion*, so why are you telling me this at all?
Why is your post so long, trying to argue with me?
4) Also, I wonder what you call "substance". Philosophy in the Matrix exists in the form of philosophical dialogues or allusions, but apart from that, there's action, characters and mere storyline
The sequels were full of that, as was the Anome arc (the latter one even lacked real philosophy as most of MxO) - so why no substance?
Because somewhere, the Anome story lost the "feel" of the Matrix, the tone of it, of which you are blatantly clueless.
"I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself."
I don't care about any excuses - if something's contradictory, and can be disproved or questioned to the degree that it loses any objective value, then apparently it isn't a very valid argument to base both one own's opionion on as to convince anyone else of it.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I wasn't arguing in the least, just stating what I thought of the story. You can't seem to grasp that and instead want to take this personally, which is why I waste my time on you.
What you do with that is your business.
"You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes."
By "it makes no sense", what do you mean?
I'm not even going to waste words on you about an argument that died months ago.
So the writer's mistakes actually seem to be your lack of basic understanding, and when I'm explaining or discussing that, I'm trying to cover them up, yes? Brilliant logic.
Who asked you to explain anything? Certainly not me, b/c I could care less.
"My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects."
What you said in that thread consisted of vague, and at least to me, nonsensical remarks, which you refused to clarify or protect, nothing about "how it was told".
B/c you're beyond talking to.
I love how you call that a "philosophical lecture", because it proves that you haven't grasped anything I've written. It had nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever, it was all about characters, plot and SF.
Whatever you want to call it, it was all elitist bs to me, a simple case of one person failing to comprehend something and thus trying to make the OP feel stupid.
I obviously tried to argue why this plot was interesting to me, bringing up these aspects.
Nobody was arguing anything! lmao I sure as hell wasn't with a bigot like you.
"From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained."
They are ability codes that once belonged to Agents in a previous Matrix version. They were removed due to causing too many problems, but contained by the Machines.
The General hired the Demon's Army gang to steal the case from Kalt Chemical.
Everything has been explained.
Ah, well thank you, o wise one.
"And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge."
Actually, right now I'm a bit confused about the General's aims, which I think he even changed here and there.
I think first he wanted to disrupt the Truce and restart the War, but then decided to take revenge at the Machines or destroy the Matrix.
At one point, he said he wanted to help the humans, or Zion, but then he felt betrayed by them and decided to take revenge again.
I'm a bit lost here at the moment, which is first and foremost my own fault.
However, he certainly didn't aim to use these powers himself, all of these aims speak for handing them out to Zion. And since this is the only point of your paragraph, it's rebutted.
I stopped caring five months ago.
"but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it"
So you're a writer who knows a shitty story when you see it, eh?
You overlook the most trivial explanations the storyline gives, or maybe don't even read it in its entirety, and proclaim your glaring lack of knowledge and understanding as storyline demerits without even questioning it.
Tells lots about how great of a writer you are. Even more, of a story reviewer.
LOL!
oh, oh yes, you got me, hardy har har. A computer nerd who has no friends trying to argue data with me, someone who cares not for his opinion. oh, oh my, yes, the ultimate burn, b/c I obviously give a shit about your opinion. oh my, the great one has smited me.
I could care less about the story. It doesn't interest me, and I'm not going to argue with you something I hold no interest in. You're right, I have a vague idea of what the story was, but I know the general idea of it, and it's retarded. Just like I won't see a movie whose trailer failed to sell me on its concept. But you're not interested in that. You just feel the need satisfy your ego and get an upper hand on the four people or so who post here with any regularity. Just go back to your little circle of virtual "friends" and brag to each other on how l337 you all are. Meanwhile, I could care less about this argument that I never started or about your own misguided views.
Oh, and seandavis, just so you don't get a hard-on, I'm not responding to you b/c I'm choosing to simply ignore your presence i.e. blocking you. Your egoist thinking, at this point, will obviously conjure up something along these lines: "yes, I've won! I r l337! he's blocking me and therefore conceding defeat! I beat him! yar!!" Nay sir, as talking with you is like trying to explain math to a baby: the baby doesn't understand so it cries and shits on itself, which is all you've done imho. GG seandavis, I salute you
Back on topic now.
While the Anome story sucked (don't tell seandavis that, he might get his panties in a bundle and go off on a tirade trying to explain how much he r l337) it seems to be picking up some steam with Seraph coming back. I won't spoil anything for those interested, but things are definitely getting interesting, at least a little
” Why do you jump down this guys throat calling his opinion, misinformation, but you don't do the same to Cloudwold and the cheerleader squad. Again, a rhetorical question, we know.”
It’s been a long time since the last wave of “cheerleaders” wrote anything in here, but lots of what they said was personal opinion. It was obvious when looking at the posts, I didn’t feel the need to add “but that’s just your opinion” to each post.
I only did it here because I’m arguing with you anyway and I wanted to emphasize the contrast between these opinions of yours and the definite misstatements in the OP that I rebutted.
Sorry if it’s just my bad memory, but apart from someone commenting with “this is mxo graphics lol” on a photoshopped screenshot, I don’t remember any misinformation from those “cheerleaders”, or was too ignorant to detect it.
In the OP’s case, I obviously wasn’t, and still remember it. So you lose.
I still don’t get what you promise yourself out of quoting a false, rebutted post.
By the way, Cloudwolf clearly admitted that much of what he said was an opinion, right here in this forum. This “leader of the MxO cheerleader squad” openly comes here and admits “it’s just my opinion”, I wonder what else you want from me?
Do you willfully ignore everything that doesn’t fit into your attitude, or are you really unable to read? Not a rhetorical question, I’m really lost.
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
No it proves that the game, sucks so much, a fanboy can't even be bothered to play it.
I was slowly levelling by doing other stuff providing XP in particular, contact missions, story missions, archive missions, PB.
This very paragraph proves that the standard grinding system of this game sucks so much that a fanboy like me (who can't be a fanboy anymore by definition, since he obviously criticizes an aspect of the game, eh?) couldn't be bothered to use it and instead decided to do more interesting things (in my opinion), that the game also offers.
What a blatant generalization.
Generally, despite my innumerable effforts to make it clear to you, you still fail to understand that mostly, when I state some "fact" about this game, it's because (I think) it's the case, not because I think it's awesome and puts the game in a good light.
Particularly, if I say "this game has 3-5 events" a week, I mean "this game has 3-5 events a week, so they haven't died", rather than "this game has 3-5 events, thus it rocks and is as good as under LET, and you should buy buy buy it".
Not really, never was pissed at you actually, just sick of your ego.
Look, everytime a debate has a hostile nature, one wants to put the other one down, which satisfies one’s ego. This is absolutely normal, and you’re not any different here – don’t even try to deny it.
So how did this conversation get a hostile nature? By you writing an insulting rant towards me, with nothing but some actually neutral (maybe sliightly condescending) remark by me as justification.
Why do people insult other people? There is no reason why one should want to put someone down and make them feel stupid other than the egos, am I right?
So you don’t need to wonder why I surface an ego if you get hostile, it’s the only thing you should expect.
"Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does."
"It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone."
Seeing as you've missed my rants and complaints about lag, animation bugs and I actually do agree with many negative opinions/statements about this game, consider it rather average myself and don't play as much anyway, the part with the game is simply wrong.
Again, your analytical mind missed the point I was making. You said so yourself that you are well-known (supposedly, but we have to take you for your word on that, right?) on the forums, and it is exactly in that medium how you destroy the community. And exactly why anyone new (if there is anyone new) fails to get into the game, b/c of people like you.
I’m only saying I’m well known on the forums… because I post a lot there. There are many, many others I know well exactly because they post enough on some section I go to.
Seeing as how I’m by far not always as disruptive and mean as I am now to you, I can’t see how I’m destroying the community.
Actually, from all I’ve seen, you’re hardly kinder than me – beginning with the fact that you started the hosility in this thread, and ending with several posts of yours I remember on DN1. (You were nice to me when I wanted in your faction, but then again, so was I.)
Glass house + stones = not good
By the way, I remember how you once said something unbelievably absurd, namely that you didn’t read LE forums because of “idiots like [name]”.
This is equally absurd – no new player is gonna care about some mean jerk destroying the community on some forums, and there have been much worse flamers/trolls than me.
Maybe they will care about someone answering their questions in “redpill rescue”, or not bashing them for criticizing the game like some others.
And stop beating around the bush.
You basically had two points: first, I’m a MxO fanboy and praise the game for everything, second, I ruin the game for everyone through disruptive behavior.
I think I’ve only addressed the first one at first, but that doesn’t matter – both are indisputably wrong.
If the second point was actually the main point I had missed (rather than being a random piece of claim attached to a sentence that has nothing to do with it), then apparently it relies on the first one (in a way that doesn’t make any sense), and since the first one is wrong and rebutted, your second point I’ve “missed” is inherently flawed.
What a shame your baseless nonsense can’t withstand my analytical mind.
I wonder if I ever made a post with the attitude "MxO is great". Disclaimer: never happened.
Your blind attitude about the game is evidence enough.
And what attitude would that be? Certainly not overly positive like you claim, you don’t know anything about my attitude and are wrong.
Actually, I read through some of your recent posts here and more or less agreed with much, or some of it.
"and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from."
Here’s something I forgot to say the last time. Lots of, if not all of your points were “analytical” and about “data”. I love hypocrisy.
I disregard emotion for data... because my premise in all these Unlimit discussions is that I'm talking about the god damn data, not emotions.
I've been emphasizing this for ever.
It doesn't mean I find emotions superfluous, but sometimes I'm just not talking about them.
I'm not talking story-wise, dumbass. There's no point in talking simple human emotions with you b/c all you probably are is some gamma-sucking computer nerd who's lost touch with such ideas.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
If you’re not talking story-wise, or even game-wise (apart from our persons the only topics of our arguments so far) then about what? Our romantical relationship? But there is none.
No… you are talking story-wise. You’re talking about emotions and feelings towards the movie, or a plot. There again, a self-contradiction.
What kind of 5-year-old fanatic are you to make random, angry claims about people being emotionless robots? The most childish attack I’ve ever read in my two years forum posting history, and that says a lot.
I don’t know how the heck you’ve come to the conclusion that I’m an emotionless computer nerd.
The (stereo)type of a “computer nerd” without emotions would imply someone so deepened into and obsessed with programming and algorithms that he has no place left for emotions, or doesn’t value them. This doesn’t only go for stereotypical computer nerds, but also for “scientists” or “mathematicians” or “philosophers”, or “rationalists” (this one can also mean something else, but meh) who are obsessed with facts and thinking and don’t know any emotions.
But I’m not this type of computer nerd, as I don’t know shit about computer programming or hacking and don’t do anything along the lines.
What I do on my computer is, among some passive things (reading, listening to music), playing games (=MxO) or posting on forums.
Playing a video game is almost always strongly attached to the one or other type of emotions.
Posting on forums can be both – analytical, logical discussing or expressing feelings, like affection to something, or hate for some user.
Summed up: someone who plays games and posts on forums is not called a “computer nerd” (from all I know), and is not necessarily emotionless.
So, basically, you’re wrong about the assumption that I’m a computer nerd, and you’re wrong about the assumption that I’m emotionless.
You don’t know what “computer nerd” means and use this expression in an incorrect way, or you use it another meaning and connect it with a trait (the lack of emotions) that has nothing to do with this meaning.
You lose either way.
You were engaged, yes. Precisely as I imagined you would. Thanks, tool.
I was engaged in it with both emotions and mind. That’s exactly how it should be.
I don't make anything up of thin air, that would be just me trying to put my reasons on paper.
Oh? You don't? *looks around* seems to be a lot of people on these boards that think you do.
By “a lot”, you mean yourself and that other guy. I don’t care what you think to know about me, you’re obviously wrong.
"people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego."
But knowledge is leverage, and my ego is always satisfied when someone else knows less than me
Ah yes, oh great one. Please tell me how lonesome it is up there on that pedestal of yours
Not always actually, merely in flamewars like this one. So it’s not lonesome. And lonesome rules anyway.
"Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down
What's wrong about using information in discussions? Wow.
Durka durka, my name's seandavis, durka durka, I fail to read between lines, durka durka, which is why I have no friends.
I fail to read between the lines, thus I have no friends? Where’s the connection? This doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe people would think I’m less wise, or smart, and respect me less if I couldn’t read between the lines, but no friends? Nonsense.
Why do you care if I have friends? Why do you bring it up? I do have a few friends, so you’re wrong. Stop making wild assumptions about me, you have an overly high chance to put your foot in it. Don’t go there.
You’re just bringing this up because you like the imagination that someone you don’t like really has no friends and generally has a pathetic and miserable life, and/or because you’re looking for ways to hurt someone who proves you wrong and puts you down with arguments you can’t oppose anything to.
What a shame nothing of this disproves anything I say, even if true.
Although this conclusion certainly benefits my ego, I’ve mainly come to it because there is no reason why we should talk about my friends and there is no logically valid reason for you to think I have none.
I may be unable to read between the lines, but before criticizing me for that, learn to read the actual lines at first, because it’s something you haven’t been able to do several times.
Or, hey, have understanding with me and express yourself in a way that requires basic reading comprehension instead of 1337 riddle interpretation skillz.
"and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance."
1) First off, I never claimed to be a huuuuge Matrix fan, and I don't care how ever I "come off".
Which is precisely why no one likes you, as previously stated.
Now you can’t read between the lines, eh?
Of course, I’m not indifferent how I come off in general. But if I never have emphasized on how much of a big Matrix fan I am, and some random noob on the internet decides to think I have, or I am, then yea, I don’t care:
this way I “come off” for you isn’t according with the way I think (to a degree, because I am a Matrix fan), and it certainly isn’t according with what I say.
Why do you keep saying “no one likes you”? Only you don’t like me, and a few others here - you can’t apply that to everyone else. You don’t know.
This whole point is childish.
It doesn’t matter who likes me. I don’t care who likes you. None of this matters.
" All of youbitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left."
I'm not bitter, I'm not spiteful and I'm not diehard - I'm just someone who has an interest in MxO and therefore maintains his subscription.
There are other things in my life apart from computer gaming and MxO, didn't you know that?
Ah, but I can only take you for your word, and deducing from your poor interpretation skills, I'd imagine you don't have much of a life outside of computer gaming and MxO.
Then stop imagining, and work on your logical skillz.
The conclusion that I have no life or interests outside of MxO or computer is wrong, thus somewhere, your “deduction” (which I’m not sure deserves to be called this way) has a gap somewhere, and you shouldn’t rely on it too much.
I wonder what “poor interpretation skills” have to do with interests outside of MxO. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There is no way how lacking reading comprehension can point to lack of interests outside of online chatting – it only points to lower intelligence.
There are lots of dumb brick-wall people out there, in the real world, who’ve never played an MMO or regularly chatted in the internet. “Reading between the lines” can aswell be applied to spoken language and listening comprehension, and has existed long before computers were invented.
More valid reasons to assume I have no life would be indications that I spend all too much time and thought on computer gaming. These indications could be contained in my own words about my experience, my requirements to games, or maybe some suspiciously vast knowledge about computer games.
What should I conclude from your lack of basic reading skills, eh? That you don’t have a life? But that would be stupid of me – because it would be a totally made-up conclusion, and because it’s a stupid point to begin with anyway.
I’m done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks"
You said I use information and data, in order to get my point through, or "put people down" (the latter one is only the case when there's hostility in the conversation).
So if I rely on information and knowldge so much, according to yourself, then how please can I have "blind views"?
For the same reason I've been giving through this whole post: you don't read between the lines. What lines, you will undoubtedly ask, well, sherlock, the lines I write which will give you a hint at what I'm really trying to say. You've obviously failed to do that, have fallen hard on your face as a matter of fact, and will continue to do so. There's no point in arguing with a stone, am I correct?
By “reading between the lines”, you mean some thoughts you had while writing your nonsensical comments. I’m sorry, I happen not to have telepathical skills, and I don’t feel like thinking hours about the true meaning of what you say.
If you want to bring a point across, then learn to express it intelligibly. Or in a way someone like me who can’t read between the lines can understand – namely, by putting everything into the lines lol.
"as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours "
Niice, you got your revenge. I'm gonna cry at the corner over there, while you can sleep better.
lol I'm not getting revenge, even though your egotistical mind obviously thought of it that way just to give you a false sense of security. I'm merely explaining, throughout the whole of my previous post, why I never defend my arguments with people like you b/c, as I said, there's no point in arguing with a rock
Arguing with a rock? You’re just a little kid who can’t express its disorganized thoughts, wondering why I don’t understand you.
But you seem rather convinced that this is not the case. You’re sure it’s not a sign of arrogance and ego?
I assumed you were taking revenge not because of my ego, but because I didn’t see any sense in your counter-attack… let’s be honest, there wasn’t any.
"My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects."
What you said in that thread consisted of vague, and at least to me, nonsensical remarks, which you refused to clarify or protect, nothing about "how it was told".
B/c you're beyond talking to.
Lol. You can’t accuse me of not analysing your vague and cryptic messages. When you write an unmisunderstandable statement black on white and I don’t get it, then you can say “you’re beyond talking to”.
Reversely, exactly this has happened a lot, so I for example can already say it to you.
I love how you call that a "philosophical lecture", because it proves that you haven't grasped anything I've written. It had nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever, it was all about characters, plot and SF.
Whatever you want to call it, it was all elitist bs to me, a simple case of one person failing to comprehend something and thus trying to make the OP feel stupid.
If I were an elitist, I’d think that I or members of some group I belong to, by definition, understand things better than others.
I do apply this attitude neither to a (non-existent) group, nor to myself.
Nothing I said there was remotely elitist.
Either you don’t know what “elitism” means, or you’re paranoid – “elists – they’re everywhere, they’re among us, they’re gonna take over the world!!111!!”
(By the way, when trying to rebut something I said about me, you “look around” and claim that lots of people think this, so it must be true.
Then why don’t you apply the same to yourself, and listen to freiheit? Even he said I’m not an elitist, so listen to your supporter.)
Again, there wasn’t anything to comprehend in that post – only to rebut, or to interpret. In one case, I even honestly asked you for explanation.
That post was, to a large part, explaining my view on things – with a negative undertone because I did find your post stupid already (and had disrespect for you originating in an earlier thread).
Again, if you call it “elitist bs” or “philosophical lecture”, apparently you didn’t comprehend it, so… glass house ftw. I love glass houses.
So, if someone who blatantly failed at bringing his point across in a convincing or comprehensible way and refused further discussion or explanation accuses me of not understanding something that's too obvious to be eplained further-on, I naturally don't put any value on it.
Oh, this is the part where I put stock into an elitist's opinion right? On what he thinks is "worthy" of his "almighty" attention?
You obviously still don’t know what elitism means. Let’s explain it again?
It’s elite thinking. Someone who thinks he or a group he belongs to is generally better at something than others, is an elitist. This can sometimes even be justified.
Elitism only makes an opinion worthless as long as the elitism is actually unjustified, and the topic involves the same the elitism involves.
Since I don’t have any opinion about myself being especially good at arguing or understanding MxO stories, this already doesn’t apply to me.
Someone who finds specific people or statements dumb or wrong, or considers himself right and smart, again, in specific cases, is not an elitist.
He might be “overconfident”, or “arrogant”, depending on the degree of correctness, but certainly not “elitist”.
Obviously, everything you write is worthy of my attention, otherwise I wouldn’t be responding to you, or even reading you.
It’s not about my “almighty” attention it’s supposed to deserve, it’s about the value I attribute to it according to my judgement. There can be something that makes me think “ok, this makes sense, and it’s correct”, or another thing that rather makes me think “nah, this is nonsensical and hardly an argument”.
If you don’t care about your arguments being nonsensical and someone on the other end seeing and voicing it, you obviously don’t need to pay any attention, right?
While I am, to a degree, an outsider both in real life as in the "MxO community", I know for sure that there are people who like or respect me, to some degree.
You mean your fanclub on MxO yes? Well GG, buddy.
I don’t have any fanclub. Do I have to be popular and famous to talk to you, or to matter in an argument? Gimme a break.
On the other side, as I said, I'm not so much about being a part of the community or being liked by everyone, so your intelligent way of concluding a rant post loses all its value.
To your elitist way of thinking, yes
Well no, you can’t hurt me by saying I have no friends, and I have a few friends – so, it makes no sense to say that, and it’s wrong. Thus, has no value.
Or do you refer to the first part? Well, I never said I wasn’t soo much into the community because I thought I was better than them, so again, no elitism.
What when you say "I don't care about your opinion", what are your reasons for saying so? If, according to yourself, I use information and data, and my points often contain tangible arguments, and basically react to every paragraph you write - what reason would you have not to consider my "opinion" except of your pride, and the conviction "I'm not gonna change any opinions because of something this jerk tells me lol"?
Because you keep basing your "arguments" within the context of the story we're agruing, and that's not what I'm talking about here. Of course now, you're going to read only that part, which is ok, it'll only serve to strengthen my opinion of you. No, what I'm talking about is how this story failed to meet the standards which were set in the first Matrix movie. What standards, you ask? The ambience(?) of the first movie, the tone it implied, not any hard data you seem to get all hot-n-bothered about.
Now, finally a paragraph that makes sense.
First of all, I don’t see what’s wrong about basing arguments on the context of a story that is the subject of discussion. But anyways.
Let me explain you: the ambience and tone are one aspect, “hard data” another. Disregarding hard data is just as stupid as disregarding emotional aspects is… dunno, not good.
Or are you someone who supports pure emotion without brain?
For example, I find the city, including the design, the colors/tints and music, very amazing in terms of atmosphere and feel.
The same also goes for the cinematics – all, or most of the old CGI ones, and some of the new ones.
I think they do some justice to the Matrix movies in terms of atmosphere, as did the sequels.
As far as the text goes (the only story aspect where you can talk about ambience, the rest is schematic game mechanics), I’m not quite sure about it, admittedly.
But there’s a problem with all this “feel” and “ambience” – it’s subjective, and only exists in your and my perception. There can’t be much argument about it except of exchanging emotions.
I can tolerate someone being discontent with the feel of, let’s say, the Anome arc, or actually I’m often even interested in what other people feel (except in this case, because it’s been stated so often that it’s become annoying, lol).
But I’m also interested in objective and rational aspects, and I’m actually able to talk only about them. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about emotion, but when I say “this is just about the rational aspects”, I obviously limit the scope of the discussion to this.
And, Aiolos, don’t talk like you were all about emotions. You weren’t. In that case, I would never have said anything except “oh well, I felt it was exciting”, but you obviously have brought some arguments falling into the “data” category. I have only argued against those, because I obviously found them wrong and contradictory (names that have a meaning in this category, unfortunately).
Whenever you bring up tangible arguments for your feelings, you step out of the pure emotion area, and become susceptible to argument and logical discussions. For example when you’re talking about loose ends or logical incosistensies.
As for the movies, there were aspects about the first movie and especially the sequels that I didn't like, but generally, I'm very positive about them and disagree with most of the negativity.
Call it open-mindedness, I accepted lots of the stuff that "didn't feel right".
As do I, but even someone like you has to admit that the last two movies, due in part mostly to the increase in budget, didn't feel the same as the first one. I'm not asking you to understand this, as you're beyond that, so whatever.
Already much of the original movie didn’t feel according to my expectations gained from trailers, posters or plot summaries, or from the first 45 dark and mesmerizing minutes.
Even more of the sequels felt different. Much did feel right or familiar, though, and I “accepted” much of what felt familiar or different, again, because of my taste and relative open-mindedness.
Actually, when I was talking about “some aspects of the first movie and the sequels I didn’t like” – I meant 100% emotional stuff, the way something felt. It had nothing to do with some logical inconsistencies or philosophical topics, at least not when I was talking about it.
Way to totally misinterpret a person.
By the way, I wonder how you can call me less of a Matrix fan if I, for example, liked the movies more than others. First and foremost, it's opinion, and why should one opinion, especially if it's more positive, make me less of a fan? Does that make any sense at all?
Of course not. And why should my opinion, especially of the Anome story, have brought all this drama? I'm trying to explain it one way, and you're trying to understand it in another. Of course there's going to be conflict in understanding, but you chose the low road and opted to berate me for my apparent lack of understanding. lol GG
First of all – emotion. I won’t claim it’s a positive trait of mine, but actually, when people bash something I like, I often get annoyed. If I have enough to say, or feel like an asshole at the moment, I might even go ahead and say that.
I admit, at the moment I told you “I still haven’t got what’s so bad about it”, I wasn’t thinking about feel or ambience, but only about data. This was largely due to me having had several “data” discussions about it, including recently, and constantly seeing arguments of tangible nature, including from yourself – all of which isn’t an excuse.
Or actually it is – how am I supposed to know you’re talking about emotions if your arguments are about objective isues? Oh that’s right, reading between the lines. Nah.
To answer your question – what brought all this drama? Certainly not your opinion – all your opinion did was causing me to post some stupid one-liner. The drama started when you posted a long rant filled with personal insults.
If you don’t understand some tangible aspect, apparently it makes sense for me to say you lack understanding. I would never say you lacked understanding if you disagreed with me on some feelings, only if I thought you really wouldn’t comprehend something.
So what is this “low road” I’m choosing? I understand the importance of emotions, but choose not to talk about them in a certain case. But you bash me for being analytical as if it were a bad thing, and make childish assumptions about me. Maybe you’re on the low road?
2) And on to the next point: if you had really read my posts about this topic more or less carefully, you'd know that I base my "protection" of the Unlimit arc (claimed to be "unMatrixy") on a premise: that the movies were Matrixy.
Think for yourself: if I ask "how are the Unlimits less Matrixy than the Twins"? Well, that surely doesn't make any sense if someone already thought the Twins sucked, eh? Exactly.
In this case, the only issue I'd have to argue about would be the word "Matrixy" actually excluding lots of the original movie material.
So there you go, your premise is that the sequels were also wrong, my premise is that all the movies were right and the game has to live up to them.
Why is this my premise? Because I had the impression it matched some critics’ opinions, or premises.
We are already talking in different languages, I wonder why you don’t realize that.
3) As long as we're talking about "feel" and perception, I already said right above you that I couldn't argue with someone's mere *opinion*, so why are you telling me this at all?
Why is your post so long, trying to argue with me?
Because what you said in the long post I replied to was either personal flaming and accusations, or (wrong) analytical stuff about the storyline.
Same in earlier cases.
In case you mean this question in a more general sense:
Why did you post such a long post with so many unprovoked flames?
Why do you constantly speak out for emotions and against rationality if the first one was apparently the *premise* for anything I said?
Why do you post such a long paragraph bringing up loose ends in the storyline (which have nothing to do with emotions, at all), going against what you’re preaching?
Why do you post a long post in response to a short one? Seriously man, look at your own post history, then start going after me.
4) Also, I wonder what you call "substance". Philosophy in the Matrix exists in the form of philosophical dialogues or allusions, but apart from that, there's action, characters and mere storyline
The sequels were full of that, as was the Anome arc (the latter one even lacked real philosophy as most of MxO) - so why no substance?
Because somewhere, the Anome story lost the "feel" of the Matrix, the tone of it, of which you are blatantly clueless.
As explained, “tone” and “feel” are subjective, I can’t be “right” about seeing any feel anywhere, as you can’t be “wrong” about not seeing it.
For example, I thought cinematic 5.1 captured the feel of the movies (particularly the Cypher scene) very well. The general feel and plot aswell as certain elements appeared very Matrixy to me.
The action in 5.2 I also found partially “Matrixy” in its ambience and style.
5.3 had a great feel, I’m not sure how it resembled the first movie or something, but it had a great feel.
6.1 also, to a part, but it was the worst of the four.
As for events and missions, I lack sensibility to compare written text inside schematic game mechanics to a work of art such as a movie.
I’d have to compare it to the dialogue in the movie… but, uh, can’t, I lack understanding here.
"I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself."
I don't care about any excuses - if something's contradictory, and can be disproved or questioned to the degree that it loses any objective value, then apparently it isn't a very valid argument to base both one own's opionion on as to convince anyone else of it.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I wasn't arguing in the least, just stating what I thought of the story. You can't seem to grasp that and instead want to take this personally, which is why I waste my time on you.
Well, some of your points, or arguments, belonged to the “data” category.
I mean, sorry – you “feel” that the General handing the cheat codes to Niobe was nonsensical of him, rather than trying to tell me that it really didn’t make sense, or that you don’t see a sense in it?
That would be merging the “emotion” and “data” categories, my friend, something you shouldn’t do. We all have opinions and feelings on something, but if this something is of objective nature, these opinions might be wrong and stating them creates an arguable statement.
"You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes."
By "it makes no sense", what do you mean?
I'm not even going to waste words on you about an argument that died months ago.
That’s ok, but let me clarify something: when something “doesn’t make sense”, it’s not about emotions, it’s about logic and facts.
So the discussion is a “data discussion”, nothing else – except you meant it made no sense for the writers to include a plot you don’t feel right about (rather than the plot not making sense in itself, which would definitely be a data question), but again, it’s subjective, so Chadwick made that because he apparently felt it wasn’t wrong - so why do you just go ahead and call him dumb?
So the writer's mistakes actually seem to be your lack of basic understanding, and when I'm explaining or discussing that, I'm trying to cover them up, yes? Brilliant logic.
Who asked you to explain anything? Certainly not me, b/c I could care less.
It’s “I couldn’t care less”.
No one asked me to explain anything, and I’m not doing it to do you a favor.
No – you posted some arguable statement and I responded to it because I thought it was wrong.
Who asked you to post your feelings, anyway? Certainly not me, and I don’t remember anyone here saying “please, aiolos, tell us what you think about the state of this game” – so why do you do that?
Anyways, this isn’t the point. The point is, you base your opinion that it doesn’t make sense on weak and invalid arguments (again, this isn’t about emotions), and me pointing it out by no means equals covering mistakes (simply because they aren’t mistakes, at least not from what you say).
"From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained."
They are ability codes that once belonged to Agents in a previous Matrix version. They were removed due to causing too many problems, but contained by the Machines.
The General hired the Demon's Army gang to steal the case from Kalt Chemical.
Everything has been explained.
Ah, well thank you, o wise one.
You made a blatant mistake, I pointed out the obvious to you.
You have no reason to make me look arrogant here, because I don’t attribute any intelligence or skills to myself for getting this glaringly obvious plot element.
Why this sarcasm? Come on, admit it – it’s your ego. You can’t take it to have made a mistake and admit your defeature (which it is, because this is a hostile flamewar), so you try to bite back with sarcasm.
And you accuse me of having a large ego?
"And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge."
Actually, right now I'm a bit confused about the General's aims, which I think he even changed here and there.
I think first he wanted to disrupt the Truce and restart the War, but then decided to take revenge at the Machines or destroy the Matrix.
At one point, he said he wanted to help the humans, or Zion, but then he felt betrayed by them and decided to take revenge again.
I'm a bit lost here at the moment, which is first and foremost my own fault.
However, he certainly didn't aim to use these powers himself, all of these aims speak for handing them out to Zion. And since this is the only point of your paragraph, it's rebutted.
I stopped caring five months ago.
If you don’t care, don’t pay attention, and don’t understand, you have no right to post stuff about it and put it as something valid.
Or rather, you do have a right, but it doesn’t make sense and has a high error rate.
And if you stopped caring enough to think about something I explain to you, then how in hell do you care enough to make related points in a post, right here?
Hypocrisy’s bliss.
"but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it"
So you're a writer who knows a shitty story when you see it, eh?
You overlook the most trivial explanations the storyline gives, or maybe don't even read it in its entirety, and proclaim your glaring lack of knowledge and understanding as storyline demerits without even questioning it.
Tells lots about how great of a writer you are. Even more, of a story reviewer.
LOL!
oh, oh yes, you got me, hardy har har. A computer nerd who has no friends trying to argue data with me, someone who cares not for his opinion. oh, oh my, yes, the ultimate burn, b/c I obviously give a shit about your opinion. oh my, the great one has smited me.
There it goes again, the big, fat ego.
You can’t stand someone having smashed a point you brought up to make yourself look more competent, and explode in a rant of spiteful interjections and character assassination insults.
Sorry, bro. If you want to use your status as a writer (and writer ≠ writer) to support your competence and the worth of your opinion, your showed competence has to live up to what people attribute to “writers”, or to live up to the same abilities you use in your “job”.
So, even on the off-chance your sheer incompetence in these arguments doesn’t point you out as a very mediocre writer or even a pretender, it still shows that whatever competence you have in your job isn’t used here, making your point worthless, redundant and laughable.
Especially since you don’t care about and don’t pay attention to this story, according to yourself.
Even if I was a computer nerd without friends, which isn’t the case, and you weren’t arguing data yourself all the time, it wouldn’t matter to this discussion, only to your ego, and would remain nothing more than a pathetic character assassination attempt.
I could care less about the story. It doesn't interest me, and I'm not going to argue with you something I hold no interest in.
First, you make statements and claims about this thing that doesn’t interest you, but when confronted with opposition, you say you don’t want to argue about it, because it doesn’t interest you.
Too silly you have already written written statements about this thing that doesn’t interest you, so this sentence can easily be unmasked as an attempt to cover lack of opposition as lack of interest.
You're right, I have a vague idea of what the story was, but I know the general idea of it, and it's retarded. Just like I won't see a movie whose trailer failed to sell me on its concept. But you're not interested in that. You just feel the need satisfy your ego and get an upper hand on the four people or so who post here with any regularity. Just go back to your little circle of virtual "friends" and brag to each other on how l337 you all are. Meanwhile, I could care less about this argument that I never started or about your own misguided views.
A view is only misguided if it’s based on wrong premises (or something like that).
Even on the off-chance my views are misguided, you’d have to explain me more or less intelligibly why they’re wrong – which means, if you call me misguided now, it’s not worth anything.
And hearing abstract accusations from someone who’s basing his own opinions on nonsense and absurdity isn’t either.
I don’t brag to anyone how leet I am, actually there are lots of people I consider equal, or even superior in personality, understanding and knowledge.
By contrast, there are some I look down to. All of this is based on my specific impression of each individual, not on some prejudice that I or a group I belong to are “leet”.
I never spend online time hanging in “virtual friends circles”, this isn’t my way.
I try to satisfy my ego by getting an upperhand on the people who post stupid and wrong things, are arrogant and aggressive about it, and with whom I stand in a hostile relation.
Not just anyone who posts somewhere or has a disagreeing opinion.
If you know nothing but the general idea of something – then all you can say is, “I know this general idea and I find it stupid”, but you have no right… pardon, it doesn’t make sense for you to make claims about details and to bring up arguments.
Because this is exactly what you’ve done, and you’ve failed at it – fallen on your face.
Oh, and seandavis, just so you don't get a hard-on, I'm not responding to you b/c I'm choosing to simply ignore your presence i.e. blocking you.
Which is exactly why I get a boner?
By the way, blocking only works when you’ve logged in, and even then you know that the blocking object has posted something, and nothing stops you from clicking “un-block” if you can’t withstand the temptation to see what it might be.
So basically, you need to come up with more than threatening to use a function that doesn’t display someone’s posts if checked to prevent me from getting a… ahem. Err, forgot.
Your egoist thinking, at this point, will obviously conjure up something along these lines: "yes, I've won! I r l337! he's blocking me and therefore conceding defeat! I beat him! yar!!"
What does egoism have to do with anything? Looks like a wrong word selection.
Actually, no. I already have similar thoughts (namely, “omg he’s stupid lol”) when I see someone post nonsense.
I already do think “lol I’ve won 1337 ftw” when I post a comment that, in my perception, pwns the OP.
This feeling can be removed if my opponent then posts something that makes me look stupid, points out an error of mine, or generally is valid and worth considering.
But of course, it’s only enforced if the answer is personal, angry, disruptive and even more nonsensical then the previous one.
I’ve partaken in many discussions on different forums where I had the last word and people didn’t reply to me after a number of post exchanges. However, these people were constructive, their thoughts were organized, and my responses weren’t that “pwning”.
So when I saw their lack of response, it rather looked like they weren’t interested in continuing the argument, rather than they wanted to avoid admitting and defeature or something.
But this is not this kind of discussion, so yes, I will interpret your lack of response as admittance of defeature.
Nay sir, as talking with you is like trying to explain math to a baby: the baby doesn't understand so it cries and shits on itself, which is all you've done imho. GG seandavis, I salute you
We both don’t understand each other.
However, in my case, it’s some vague, unorganized and apparently nonsensical and misplaced babble that I fail to interpret the right way and decrypt.
In your case, you’re often not able to read very simple declarations, and fail to respond to a point that wasn’t hidden anywhere between the lines but was straightly expressed right there, black on white.
Then, you’re saying you’re trying to “explain” something, eh? Something I’m supposed to understand? But there is nothing to understand about “I feel this way”, so apparently, you’re referring to something more tangible, and thus less emotional, correct? But when it gets tangible, I also start scrutinizing, and that’s where you’ve failed in my eyes.
At this point, I’ll refrain from cheap shots like “but I didn’t ask you to explain anything”, or “I don’t care about your explanations”, because it would be stupid.
As to your baby example, I could say exactly the same thing reversely, referring to you, but with much more correctness and sense.
For example, that old DN1 example: I explain(!) you something about SF ideas, character development or story elements, putting actual thought into it, and you manage to interpret it as a “philosophical lecture” or “elitist ego rant”.
So basically, you haven’t got a thing and give nonsensical names to my post, which is pretty equivalent to “crying and shitting on oneself”. Another glass house broken.
Maths is something very logical, definite and objective. There are definite rules, definite conventions, and undisprovable logic and evidences.
So even ignoring that this is exactly the opposite of “emotions”, which you have exceeded several times in your argumentations, your statements were either false and uninformed, didn’t make much sense or simply were hardly intelligible.
Maths is straightforward and unmisunderstandable, there’s nothing in maths to “read between the lines”, so don’t compare your weak argumentation to the science of precision and logic.
Back on topic now.
While the Anome story sucked (don't tell seandavis that, he might get his panties in a bundle and go off on a tirade trying to explain how much he r l337) it seems to be picking up some steam with Seraph coming back. I won't spoil anything for those interested, but things are definitely getting interesting, at least a little
The only real truth is, you feel the Anome story sucked, and you feel the Seraph storyline picks up steam.
I for example don’t think, no, don’t feel this plot is really “Matrixy”, or more “Matrixy” than Unlimit. The cinematic, to me, felt like something entirely different, while some of the previous ones actually reminded me of the movies’ ambience a lot.
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
No it proves that the game, sucks so much, a fanboy can't even be bothered to play it.
I was slowly levelling by doing other stuff providing XP in particular, contact missions, story missions, archive missions, PB. Lol, with minimal time investment those activities can be done in two weeks tops.
This very paragraph proves that the standard grinding system of this game sucks so much that a fanboy like me (who can't be a fanboy anymore by definition, since he obviously criticizes an aspect of the game, eh?) couldn't be bothered to use it and instead decided to do more interesting things (in my opinion), that the game also offers. Such as? There is nothing.
What a blatant generalization.
Exactly, be specific.
Generally, despite my innumerable effforts to make it clear to you, you still fail to understand that mostly, when I state some "fact" about this game, it's because (I think) it's the case, not because I think it's awesome and puts the game in a good light. Be specific.
Particularly, if I say "this game has 3-5 events" a week, I mean "this game has 3-5 events a week, so they haven't died", rather than "this game has 3-5 events, thus it rocks and is as good as under LET, and you should buy buy buy it". Meaningless, pointless, roleplaying. Not game content, chatroom activites.
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The numbers, or rolls, were random aswell, to a certain degree. Of course, different buffs, abilities and levels influenced it, but it was random.
Now, I'm not sure if the numbers just aren't visible, or the system works somehow different (combat nub, what can I say...), something about accuracy vs. defense. Anyway, it's still random to a degree, and still depends on the fighters' qualities as before.
Under CR 2.0, combatants generally hit each other much more - but keep in mind, while a level will likely hit a level 50 in a duel, the damage he'll do will be vanishingly low, while the higher one's damage will be devastating. Even when there are few levels inbetween, like 5, the advantage of the higher one is more than significant.
Of course, higher levels still have a huge advantage, but the new system makes it a bit more fair, and gives more significance to combatant numbers.
SoE didnt improve the game with the combat system, that was Lith's doing. Most everything you have gotten now is all developments made under Lith that they never got the time to apply before the sell out.
Participating isn't a matter of connections, it's a matter of being online. If you have a lot of time to spare, you'll be at more events than those who don't. Also, you can speak to the characters and get info as to what's going on. And any event is going somwhere and killing things; you're just being spiteful there.
Other than that, while some of the story content is up for debate, it's still an aspect that is unique to MxO to this day, two years after its inception.
And I don't even know why the rest about the community is in there. Seems a deviation from the topic at hand to me, which is a no-no for OP's.
1. After months and months, I still fail to realize what is so ludicrous about it.
2. Chadwick is the actual writer of the storyline, the "blessing" should include like 90% or something.
Hail Neo, full of pwnage, Morpheus is with thee
Blessed art thou among Zion, and blessed is the roundhouse against Smith.
Holy Neo, pray for us now, and at the hour of Victory, Amen.
2. The Wachowski's set a theme for the first year of storyline, which included the Anome bit, and allowed Chadwick to do some things on his own, which included, unfortunately, Anome. But, you don't see a problem with that aspect of the story, so...to each his own
Apart form that, no thanks. I want to see something convincing, because honestly, the attempts at rational explanation I've seen so far were mostly nonsensical and contradictory.
Yor own included, my friend. I remember your comment about it on the "SOE discussion" forum, and posted two rather long posts about it, partially responding to your points which seemed rather thoughtless to me.
If there's anyone out there who could say "you don't understand and I won't explain therefore" and make me take it seriously, it certainly wouldn't be you.
From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained. And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge.
I could go on, but I've argued this many times, and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from. If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool. The only fool here isn't you, or me, it's whoever ok'd this storyline to go through. It took 7 months for this disaster to pan out, and lost a lot of people's interest, including mine. Hell, check out mxostory.com and you'll see grief from superjenius on the story.
The reason why I decided to leave MxO is not only because of the snail-crawl of not only the story and content updates, but of people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego. You can laugh or get offended or whatever you like, frankly I don't care, I hate talking with you elitist types. I see your posts over on DN1 and all's it is are these haughty "well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about" replies that leave no room for error. It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone.
Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down, and that's why I'm better off. Everyone who's left is better off. All of you, as I've said a year ago, bitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left.
So hey, have a good time with MxO. I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks, for, as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours
So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you.
"Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does."
"It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone."
Seeing as you've missed my rants and complaints about lag, animation bugs and I actually do agree with many negative opinions/statements about this game, consider it rather average myself and don't play as much anyway, the part with the game is simply wrong.
I wonder if I ever made a post with the attitude "MxO is great". Disclaimer: never happened.
As for praising the story, well, I generally don't like praising, but it's really so that I accept far more than some other people. However, I also do look at some parts sceptically, and have voiced some criticisms. So again, rebutted.
"and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from."
I disregard emotion for data... because my premise in all these Unlimit discussions is that I'm talking about the god damn data, not emotions.
I've been emphasizing this for ever.
It doesn't mean I find emotions superfluous, but sometimes I'm just not talking about them.
"If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool."
As a reader, I was actually engaged because I found it interesting and tense. Accordingly, I was disappointed when it disappeared into (almost) nothing.
I don't make anything up of thin air, that would be just me trying to put my reasons on paper.
"people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego."
But knowledge is leverage, and my ego is always satisfied when someone else knows less than me
"well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about"
But that's how it all really is
"Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down"
What's wrong about using information in discussions? Wow.
" All of youbitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left."
I'm not bitter, I'm not spiteful and I'm not diehard - I'm just someone who has an interest in MxO and therefore maintains his subscription.
There are other things in my life apart from computer gaming and MxO, didn't you know that?
"I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks"
You said I use information and data, in order to get my point through, or "put people down" (the latter one is only the case when there's hostility in the conversation).
So if I rely on information and knowldge so much, according to yourself, then how please can I have "blind views"?
"as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours
Niice, you got your revenge. I'm gonna cry at the corner over there, while you can sleep better.
But, let's look at it more carefully:
When I say "I don't care about you telling me I don't understand something and eplanation is pointless" - it's because the arguments and explanations I've got from you so far were mostly either everything but convincing and logical, or simply non-existent.
So, if someone who blatantly failed at bringing his point across in a convincing or comprehensible way and refused further discussion or explanation accuses me of not understanding something that's too obvious to be eplained further-on, I naturally don't put any value on it.
What when you say "I don't care about your opinion", what are your reasons for saying so? If, according to yourself, I use information and data, and my points often contain tangible arguments, and basically react to every paragraph you write - what reason would you have not to consider my "opinion" except of your pride, and the conviction "I'm not gonna change any opinions because of something this jerk tells me lol"?
Because I don't think you've thought so far, I'll pose my question differently: what are your reasons for saying this apart from your urge to take revenge on some remark, and what else is this remark of yours than a mere cheap shot?
"So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you."
While I am, to a degree, an outsider both in real life as in the "MxO community", I know for sure that there are people who like or respect me, to some degree.
On the other side, as I said, I'm not so much about being a part of the community or being liked by everyone, so your intelligent way of concluding a rant post loses all its value.
Now that we're done with this flaming bullshit...
"and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance."
1) First off, I never claimed to be a huuuuge Matrix fan, and I don't care how ever I "come off".
As for the movies, there were aspects about the first movie and especially the sequels that I didn't like, but generally, I'm very positive about them and disagree with most of the negativity.
Call it open-mindedness, I accepted lots of the stuff that "didn't feel right".
By the way, I wonder how you can call me less of a Matrix fan if I, for example, liked the movies more than others. First and foremost, it's opinion, and why should one opinion, especially if it's more positive, make me less of a fan? Does that make any sense at all?
2) And on to the next point: if you had really read my posts about this topic more or less carefully, you'd know that I base my "protection" of the Unlimit arc (claimed to be "unMatrixy") on a premise: that the movies were Matrixy.
Think for yourself: if I ask "how are the Unlimits less Matrixy than the Twins"? Well, that surely doesn't make any sense if someone already thought the Twins sucked, eh? Exactly.
In this case, the only issue I'd have to argue about would be the word "Matrixy" actually excluding lots of the original movie material.
3) As long as we're talking about "feel" and perception, I already said right above you that I couldn't argue with someone's mere *opinion*, so why are you telling me this at all?
4) Also, I wonder what you call "substance". Philosophy in the Matrix exists in the form of philosophical dialogues or allusions, but apart from that, there's action, characters and mere storyline
The sequels were full of that, as was the Anome arc (the latter one even lacked real philosophy as most of MxO) - so why no substance?
"I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself."
I don't care about any excuses - if something's contradictory, and can be disproved or questioned to the degree that it loses any objective value, then apparently it isn't a very valid argument to base both one own's opionion on as to convince anyone else of it.
What you do with that is your business.
"You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes."
By "it makes no sense", what do you mean?
That it's unfitting and superfluous for the Matrix franchise, and therefore it makes "no sense" to include something like this? But you see, my opinion on this is totally different, and I've been talking about exactly this all the time in that thread.
If you mean logical gaps or consistency, well, these few sentences were all you wrote about it:
"Why would the General toss an important item? What was Niobe doing without her crew in the first place? None of it makes sense."
The second one is just stupid and invalid.
The first one, at that point, was invalid at its best. Right now, I'm still not sure if it was explicitely explained. Either he wanted to help the humans to fight the Machines, or to cause the end of the Truce due to Zion possessing these illegal powers.
If it ends up making no sense, I'll acknowledge it, but right now, I'd say it does and I simply have forgotten some details.
So the writer's mistakes actually seem to be your lack of basic understanding, and when I'm explaining or discussing that, I'm trying to cover them up, yes? Brilliant logic.
"My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects."
What you said in that thread consisted of vague, and at least to me, nonsensical remarks, which you refused to clarify or protect, nothing about "how it was told".
I love how you call that a "philosophical lecture", because it proves that you haven't grasped anything I've written. It had nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever, it was all about characters, plot and SF.
I obviously tried to argue why this plot was interesting to me, bringing up these aspects.
"From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained."
They are ability codes that once belonged to Agents in a previous Matrix version. They were removed due to causing too many problems, but contained by the Machines.
The General hired the Demon's Army gang to steal the case from Kalt Chemical.
Everything has been explained.
"And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge."
Actually, right now I'm a bit confused about the General's aims, which I think he even changed here and there.
I think first he wanted to disrupt the Truce and restart the War, but then decided to take revenge at the Machines or destroy the Matrix.
At one point, he said he wanted to help the humans, or Zion, but then he felt betrayed by them and decided to take revenge again.
I'm a bit lost here at the moment, which is first and foremost my own fault.
However, he certainly didn't aim to use these powers himself, all of these aims speak for handing them out to Zion. And since this is the only point of your paragraph, it's rebutted.
"but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it"
So you're a writer who knows a shitty story when you see it, eh?
You overlook the most trivial explanations the storyline gives, or maybe don't even read it in its entirety, and proclaim your glaring lack of knowledge and understanding as storyline demerits without even questioning it.
Tells lots about how great of a writer you are. Even more, of a story reviewer.
LOL!
From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained. And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge.
I could go on, but I've argued this many times, and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from. If you would look at this from a reader's point of view, would you feel engaged? No, why am I even asking, of course you would, because you will try to pull some more philosophical bs out of the air to try to make me look like a fool. The only fool here isn't you, or me, it's whoever ok'd this storyline to go through. It took 7 months for this disaster to pan out, and lost a lot of people's interest, including mine. Hell, check out mxostory.com and you'll see grief from superjenius on the story.
The reason why I decided to leave MxO is not only because of the snail-crawl of not only the story and content updates, but of people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego. You can laugh or get offended or whatever you like, frankly I don't care, I hate talking with you elitist types. I see your posts over on DN1 and all's it is are these haughty "well that's not how it is, this is what it's all about" replies that leave no room for error. It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone.
Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down, and that's why I'm better off. Everyone who's left is better off. All of you, as I've said a year ago, bitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left.
So hey, have a good time with MxO. I'm done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks, for, as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours
So have a nice day Sean, and continue wondering why no one likes you.
Well said, but he's not an elitist. He is a no-body who just started playing a year ago after the game died. I don't think he plays actually, I think he reads DN1, comes up with some nitpicking thing about the story, then comes here, attempts to talk about the game, then rants, changes the subject from the game to this minor story idea, then go further and further off topic. In other words, he's a troll, ignore him.
Good rubber and glue response.
The story in MXO died in 2005 as did the events. The game failed, the events are basically some guy logging in, talking for a few mins and nothing really happens. That is not how the game was marketed and it's a shame it turned out that way. The fanboy's let SOE do this by constantly supporting this crap and flaming people who wanted more from the game. Just like this guy does all the time.
What a shame nothing I said to Aiolos in this thread had to do with the LET or Monolith, thus making your first point useless.
What a shame this entire discussion has nothing to do with XP levels, the levelling process or any exclusive knowledge gained at level 50 (which I've reached).
You have a few (weak) arguments to why I'm ignorant in certain areas, and claim I'm ignorant in all areas. That's a plain logical fallacy there.
Apparently, you just desperately look for some pathetic excuses to make me look like an ignoramus, instead of quoting some on-topic statement and rebutting it, and you fail at it exactly because of this.
I hope you'll realize how stupid you make yourself sound, and cease this bullshit.
You fail at adressing anything any one says, you go off on your own obscure rants and expect people to disect them to satisfy your ego, all the while missing the point. GG, stay on topic.
While I fail, you don't even try to and instead spam this thread with stupid flaming bullshit.
And I don't fail at all. For example, I quote and address each piece of nonsense you try to throw at me, rebutting it and making you look like the idiot you are.
Aiolos made some statements to the topic and his/my recent or previous posts, and I addressed them accordingly. If you think otherwise, you can't read. Simple as that.
It doesn't satisfy my ego when someone replies to me - only when people
1) acknowledge I'm right
2) respond in an unsatisfying, contradictory and avoiding way
3) don't respond at all
1-3) when all of this occurs in a hostile debate. I've participated in several constructive and friendly debates on DN1, of which I've gained additional knowledge and understanding and respect for my opponents, and there I didn't give a flying fuck about some stupid ego.
Right this thread, not the countless others you have hijacked. I was filling him in on your typical MO. PS: It's also about events which are a sham. I'm sure you agree.
I don't remember these other threads, but seeing as how you can't read or comprehend shit even here, as innumerable times in those threads you're probably referring to, I don't place any value on this accusation.
I lack creativity and initiative, so I know what I mostly do is replying to other people's posts. Thus, I suppose whenever I partook in hijacking a topic into a wrong topic or personal flamewars, it was mostly triggered by someone else. But I can't tell for sure, and I don't care.
You just hijacked this thread with some accusations originating in other threads, so there, hypocrite.
The story in MXO died in 2005 as did the events. The game failed, the events are basically some guy logging in, talking for a few mins and nothing really happens. That is not how the game was marketed and it's a shame it turned out that way. The fanboy's let SOE do this by constantly supporting this crap and flaming people who wanted more from the game. Just like this guy does all the time.
I don't know what kind of meaning you attach to the word "to die", but as a matter of fact, the story is continuing regularly and reliably, as do events take place like 3-5 times in a week.
As I've heard from other people, events usually endure for approximately one hour, not a few minutes.
And as I haven't heard from other people but easily have observed in live event posts, events progress the storyline, contain tasks, action/combat and often play back prewritten scenarios.
Congratulations, you don't know bloody shit about live events in MxO.
If you think I flame, heck, even simply disagree with anyone wanting more from the game, you're truly a pathetic dipshit who lacks any reading comprehension and sense of reality.
But of course, nothing I say is gonna change your misguided opinion, I wonder why I give trouble and contribute to this thread being locked.
Then what is it about? I don't feel like speculating.
It still doesn't rebut any point I've made in this thread, or in the recent days, so it's still worthless.
It took me such a long way to level because
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
Whenever I don't deny any of this, or actually don't talk about this at all, there's absolutely no point for you to bring it up, except for throwing a general tantrum at my person.
I know that's how you see it, it's also why you're a troll.
But it rebuts what you previously said, so apparently you didn't know that.
And read the edit.
These "events" are bullshit. You have no clue what you're talking about. A honda and a bently are both cars sure, but they're not really the same.
So what? I stated facts, and you said false bullshit. The fact, or claim that the events lack quality doesn't change this, or anything I've said.
This is ironic.
It's not, because I've read through almost each live event post "released" so far, and even though they merely sum up and leave out stuff, it's enough to have a sufficient knowledge about what kind of stuff is going on there.
This knowledge is nothing compared to the knowledge of those who also partake there, but judging after your idiotic claims, more than enough to disprove any bullshit you spew.
I didn't want any barber shops, that was either some moron posting in the dev roundtable, or you posting stupid mockery before you got banned.
I wonder which ideas were drowned up by "my SOE fanclub" (a company I don't care about, a fanclub I'm not aware of to be a part of), rather than being ignored or deemed unfeasible by the devs reading them.
Another nonsensical bullshit paragraph, oh man.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
Apart from supporting this *opinion* of yours, this post you so kindly quoted for me also included lots of misinformation that was also kindly rebutted by myself.
Why did you go back and quote that post? You better would have quoted by rebuttals and told me they were wrong, but this is just lame.
Quoting for the troll.
I agree that the new events have no appeal, the story is slow and uninspiried, definately not what people wanted from MXO. The community is garbage. Others use language like, "3 events a week" to make it seem as if it's a fast paced intense thing, it's not, it sucks.
Apart from supporting this *opinion* of yours, this post you so kindly quoted for me also included lots of misinformation that was also kindly rebutted by myself.
Why did you go back and quote that post? You better would have quoted by rebuttals and told me they were wrong, but this is just lame.
Why do you jump down this guys throat calling his opinion, misinformation, but you don't do the same to Cloudwold and the cheerleader squad. Again, a rhetorical question, we know.
Back on topic now.
While the Anome story sucked (don't tell seandavis that, he might get his panties in a bundle and go off on a tirade trying to explain how much he r l337) it seems to be picking up some steam with Seraph coming back. I won't spoil anything for those interested, but things are definitely getting interesting, at least a little
This board just never fails to amuse.
Yay for ignorance for thou art the root of so much entertainment of this thing we call the interweb.
It’s been a long time since the last wave of “cheerleaders” wrote anything in here, but lots of what they said was personal opinion. It was obvious when looking at the posts, I didn’t feel the need to add “but that’s just your opinion” to each post.
I only did it here because I’m arguing with you anyway and I wanted to emphasize the contrast between these opinions of yours and the definite misstatements in the OP that I rebutted.
Sorry if it’s just my bad memory, but apart from someone commenting with “this is mxo graphics lol” on a photoshopped screenshot, I don’t remember any misinformation from those “cheerleaders”, or was too ignorant to detect it.
In the OP’s case, I obviously wasn’t, and still remember it. So you lose.
I still don’t get what you promise yourself out of quoting a false, rebutted post.
By the way, Cloudwolf clearly admitted that much of what he said was an opinion, right here in this forum. This “leader of the MxO cheerleader squad” openly comes here and admits “it’s just my opinion”, I wonder what else you want from me?
Do you willfully ignore everything that doesn’t fit into your attitude, or are you really unable to read? Not a rhetorical question, I’m really lost.
It took me such a long way to level because
1)I found the process bland, repetetive and boring,
2) the little benefit I'd get from reaching level 50 wasn't worth aimed levelling efforts when I could level slowlier, but doing things I found more interesting
3) I played not enough hours in the day.
No it proves that the game, sucks so much, a fanboy can't even be bothered to play it.
I was slowly levelling by doing other stuff providing XP in particular, contact missions, story missions, archive missions, PB.
This very paragraph proves that the standard grinding system of this game sucks so much that a fanboy like me (who can't be a fanboy anymore by definition, since he obviously criticizes an aspect of the game, eh?) couldn't be bothered to use it and instead decided to do more interesting things (in my opinion), that the game also offers.
What a blatant generalization.
Generally, despite my innumerable effforts to make it clear to you, you still fail to understand that mostly, when I state some "fact" about this game, it's because (I think) it's the case, not because I think it's awesome and puts the game in a good light.
Particularly, if I say "this game has 3-5 events" a week, I mean "this game has 3-5 events a week, so they haven't died", rather than "this game has 3-5 events, thus it rocks and is as good as under LET, and you should buy buy buy it".
[insults removed to avoid another ban]
Not really, never was pissed at you actually, just sick of your ego.
Look, everytime a debate has a hostile nature, one wants to put the other one down, which satisfies one’s ego. This is absolutely normal, and you’re not any different here – don’t even try to deny it.
So how did this conversation get a hostile nature? By you writing an insulting rant towards me, with nothing but some actually neutral (maybe sliightly condescending) remark by me as justification.
Why do people insult other people? There is no reason why one should want to put someone down and make them feel stupid other than the egos, am I right?
So you don’t need to wonder why I surface an ego if you get hostile, it’s the only thing you should expect.
"Looking at your post history, it's easy to tell you'll praise this game and it's story no matter what it does."
"It's funny how you taut MxO's greatness and wonder why no new people are showing up when it's b/c of people like you who ruin the game for everyone."
Seeing as you've missed my rants and complaints about lag, animation bugs and I actually do agree with many negative opinions/statements about this game, consider it rather average myself and don't play as much anyway, the part with the game is simply wrong.
Again, your analytical mind missed the point I was making. You said so yourself that you are well-known (supposedly, but we have to take you for your word on that, right?) on the forums, and it is exactly in that medium how you destroy the community. And exactly why anyone new (if there is anyone new) fails to get into the game, b/c of people like you.
I’m only saying I’m well known on the forums… because I post a lot there. There are many, many others I know well exactly because they post enough on some section I go to.
Seeing as how I’m by far not always as disruptive and mean as I am now to you, I can’t see how I’m destroying the community.
Actually, from all I’ve seen, you’re hardly kinder than me – beginning with the fact that you started the hosility in this thread, and ending with several posts of yours I remember on DN1. (You were nice to me when I wanted in your faction, but then again, so was I.)
Glass house + stones = not good
By the way, I remember how you once said something unbelievably absurd, namely that you didn’t read LE forums because of “idiots like [name]”.
This is equally absurd – no new player is gonna care about some mean jerk destroying the community on some forums, and there have been much worse flamers/trolls than me.
Maybe they will care about someone answering their questions in “redpill rescue”, or not bashing them for criticizing the game like some others.
And stop beating around the bush.
You basically had two points: first, I’m a MxO fanboy and praise the game for everything, second, I ruin the game for everyone through disruptive behavior.
I think I’ve only addressed the first one at first, but that doesn’t matter – both are indisputably wrong.
If the second point was actually the main point I had missed (rather than being a random piece of claim attached to a sentence that has nothing to do with it), then apparently it relies on the first one (in a way that doesn’t make any sense), and since the first one is wrong and rebutted, your second point I’ve “missed” is inherently flawed.
What a shame your baseless nonsense can’t withstand my analytical mind.
I wonder if I ever made a post with the attitude "MxO is great". Disclaimer: never happened.
Your blind attitude about the game is evidence enough.
And what attitude would that be? Certainly not overly positive like you claim, you don’t know anything about my attitude and are wrong.
Actually, I read through some of your recent posts here and more or less agreed with much, or some of it.
"and I'm done trying to nitpick with you analytical types. You disregard emotion for data, which isn't where I'm coming from."
Here’s something I forgot to say the last time. Lots of, if not all of your points were “analytical” and about “data”. I love hypocrisy.
I disregard emotion for data... because my premise in all these Unlimit discussions is that I'm talking about the god damn data, not emotions.
I've been emphasizing this for ever.
It doesn't mean I find emotions superfluous, but sometimes I'm just not talking about them.
I'm not talking story-wise, dumbass. There's no point in talking simple human emotions with you b/c all you probably are is some gamma-sucking computer nerd who's lost touch with such ideas.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
If you’re not talking story-wise, or even game-wise (apart from our persons the only topics of our arguments so far) then about what? Our romantical relationship? But there is none.
No… you are talking story-wise. You’re talking about emotions and feelings towards the movie, or a plot. There again, a self-contradiction.
What kind of 5-year-old fanatic are you to make random, angry claims about people being emotionless robots? The most childish attack I’ve ever read in my two years forum posting history, and that says a lot.
I don’t know how the heck you’ve come to the conclusion that I’m an emotionless computer nerd.
The (stereo)type of a “computer nerd” without emotions would imply someone so deepened into and obsessed with programming and algorithms that he has no place left for emotions, or doesn’t value them. This doesn’t only go for stereotypical computer nerds, but also for “scientists” or “mathematicians” or “philosophers”, or “rationalists” (this one can also mean something else, but meh) who are obsessed with facts and thinking and don’t know any emotions.
But I’m not this type of computer nerd, as I don’t know shit about computer programming or hacking and don’t do anything along the lines.
What I do on my computer is, among some passive things (reading, listening to music), playing games (=MxO) or posting on forums.
Playing a video game is almost always strongly attached to the one or other type of emotions.
Posting on forums can be both – analytical, logical discussing or expressing feelings, like affection to something, or hate for some user.
Summed up: someone who plays games and posts on forums is not called a “computer nerd” (from all I know), and is not necessarily emotionless.
So, basically, you’re wrong about the assumption that I’m a computer nerd, and you’re wrong about the assumption that I’m emotionless.
You don’t know what “computer nerd” means and use this expression in an incorrect way, or you use it another meaning and connect it with a trait (the lack of emotions) that has nothing to do with this meaning.
You lose either way.
You were engaged, yes. Precisely as I imagined you would. Thanks, tool.
I was engaged in it with both emotions and mind. That’s exactly how it should be.
I don't make anything up of thin air, that would be just me trying to put my reasons on paper.
Oh? You don't? *looks around* seems to be a lot of people on these boards that think you do.
By “a lot”, you mean yourself and that other guy. I don’t care what you think to know about me, you’re obviously wrong.
"people like you, who use knowledge as some sort of leverage to gain an upper hand on others to satisfy their ego."
But knowledge is leverage, and my ego is always satisfied when someone else knows less than me
Ah yes, oh great one. Please tell me how lonesome it is up there on that pedestal of yours
Not always actually, merely in flamewars like this one. So it’s not lonesome. And lonesome rules anyway.
"Being a fan is great, but not to the point where it crosses over into fanaticism. You analyze, and use information to put people down
What's wrong about using information in discussions? Wow.
Durka durka, my name's seandavis, durka durka, I fail to read between lines, durka durka, which is why I have no friends.
I fail to read between the lines, thus I have no friends? Where’s the connection? This doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe people would think I’m less wise, or smart, and respect me less if I couldn’t read between the lines, but no friends? Nonsense.
Why do you care if I have friends? Why do you bring it up? I do have a few friends, so you’re wrong. Stop making wild assumptions about me, you have an overly high chance to put your foot in it. Don’t go there.
You’re just bringing this up because you like the imagination that someone you don’t like really has no friends and generally has a pathetic and miserable life, and/or because you’re looking for ways to hurt someone who proves you wrong and puts you down with arguments you can’t oppose anything to.
What a shame nothing of this disproves anything I say, even if true.
Although this conclusion certainly benefits my ego, I’ve mainly come to it because there is no reason why we should talk about my friends and there is no logically valid reason for you to think I have none.
I may be unable to read between the lines, but before criticizing me for that, learn to read the actual lines at first, because it’s something you haven’t been able to do several times.
Or, hey, have understanding with me and express yourself in a way that requires basic reading comprehension instead of 1337 riddle interpretation skillz.
"and apparently you aren't as big a Matrix fan as you come off to be, for any fan can see what I'm trying to tell you: the whole Anome story felt wrong. The exact same way people don't like the last two movies, my friend, it was all philosophy and no substance."
1) First off, I never claimed to be a huuuuge Matrix fan, and I don't care how ever I "come off".
Which is precisely why no one likes you, as previously stated.
Now you can’t read between the lines, eh?
Of course, I’m not indifferent how I come off in general. But if I never have emphasized on how much of a big Matrix fan I am, and some random noob on the internet decides to think I have, or I am, then yea, I don’t care:
this way I “come off” for you isn’t according with the way I think (to a degree, because I am a Matrix fan), and it certainly isn’t according with what I say.
Why do you keep saying “no one likes you”? Only you don’t like me, and a few others here - you can’t apply that to everyone else. You don’t know.
This whole point is childish.
It doesn’t matter who likes me. I don’t care who likes you. None of this matters.
" All of youbitter and spiteful diehards can go rot in your dying little world, because that's all you have left and in the end you'll only have yourselves to argue with till there's nothing left."
I'm not bitter, I'm not spiteful and I'm not diehard - I'm just someone who has an interest in MxO and therefore maintains his subscription.
There are other things in my life apart from computer gaming and MxO, didn't you know that?
Ah, but I can only take you for your word, and deducing from your poor interpretation skills, I'd imagine you don't have much of a life outside of computer gaming and MxO.
Then stop imagining, and work on your logical skillz.
The conclusion that I have no life or interests outside of MxO or computer is wrong, thus somewhere, your “deduction” (which I’m not sure deserves to be called this way) has a gap somewhere, and you shouldn’t rely on it too much.
I wonder what “poor interpretation skills” have to do with interests outside of MxO. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There is no way how lacking reading comprehension can point to lack of interests outside of online chatting – it only points to lower intelligence.
There are lots of dumb brick-wall people out there, in the real world, who’ve never played an MMO or regularly chatted in the internet. “Reading between the lines” can aswell be applied to spoken language and listening comprehension, and has existed long before computers were invented.
More valid reasons to assume I have no life would be indications that I spend all too much time and thought on computer gaming. These indications could be contained in my own words about my experience, my requirements to games, or maybe some suspiciously vast knowledge about computer games.
What should I conclude from your lack of basic reading skills, eh? That you don’t have a life? But that would be stupid of me – because it would be a totally made-up conclusion, and because it’s a stupid point to begin with anyway.
I’m done arguing with your blind views and elitist remarks"
You said I use information and data, in order to get my point through, or "put people down" (the latter one is only the case when there's hostility in the conversation).
So if I rely on information and knowldge so much, according to yourself, then how please can I have "blind views"?
For the same reason I've been giving through this whole post: you don't read between the lines. What lines, you will undoubtedly ask, well, sherlock, the lines I write which will give you a hint at what I'm really trying to say. You've obviously failed to do that, have fallen hard on your face as a matter of fact, and will continue to do so. There's no point in arguing with a stone, am I correct?
By “reading between the lines”, you mean some thoughts you had while writing your nonsensical comments. I’m sorry, I happen not to have telepathical skills, and I don’t feel like thinking hours about the true meaning of what you say.
If you want to bring a point across, then learn to express it intelligibly. Or in a way someone like me who can’t read between the lines can understand – namely, by putting everything into the lines lol.
"as a twist on your smartass statement, if there was an opinion of someone's out there who I cared enough to consider, it certainly wouldn't be yours "
Niice, you got your revenge. I'm gonna cry at the corner over there, while you can sleep better.
lol I'm not getting revenge, even though your egotistical mind obviously thought of it that way just to give you a false sense of security. I'm merely explaining, throughout the whole of my previous post, why I never defend my arguments with people like you b/c, as I said, there's no point in arguing with a rock
Arguing with a rock? You’re just a little kid who can’t express its disorganized thoughts, wondering why I don’t understand you.
But you seem rather convinced that this is not the case. You’re sure it’s not a sign of arrogance and ego?
I assumed you were taking revenge not because of my ego, but because I didn’t see any sense in your counter-attack… let’s be honest, there wasn’t any.
"My main gripe was how it was told, and you rebutted with a long lecture on the philosophical aspects."
What you said in that thread consisted of vague, and at least to me, nonsensical remarks, which you refused to clarify or protect, nothing about "how it was told".
B/c you're beyond talking to.
Lol. You can’t accuse me of not analysing your vague and cryptic messages. When you write an unmisunderstandable statement black on white and I don’t get it, then you can say “you’re beyond talking to”.
Reversely, exactly this has happened a lot, so I for example can already say it to you.
I love how you call that a "philosophical lecture", because it proves that you haven't grasped anything I've written. It had nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever, it was all about characters, plot and SF.
Whatever you want to call it, it was all elitist bs to me, a simple case of one person failing to comprehend something and thus trying to make the OP feel stupid.
If I were an elitist, I’d think that I or members of some group I belong to, by definition, understand things better than others.
I do apply this attitude neither to a (non-existent) group, nor to myself.
Nothing I said there was remotely elitist.
Either you don’t know what “elitism” means, or you’re paranoid – “elists – they’re everywhere, they’re among us, they’re gonna take over the world!!111!!”
(By the way, when trying to rebut something I said about me, you “look around” and claim that lots of people think this, so it must be true.
Then why don’t you apply the same to yourself, and listen to freiheit? Even he said I’m not an elitist, so listen to your supporter.)
Again, there wasn’t anything to comprehend in that post – only to rebut, or to interpret. In one case, I even honestly asked you for explanation.
That post was, to a large part, explaining my view on things – with a negative undertone because I did find your post stupid already (and had disrespect for you originating in an earlier thread).
Again, if you call it “elitist bs” or “philosophical lecture”, apparently you didn’t comprehend it, so… glass house ftw. I love glass houses.
So, if someone who blatantly failed at bringing his point across in a convincing or comprehensible way and refused further discussion or explanation accuses me of not understanding something that's too obvious to be eplained further-on, I naturally don't put any value on it.
Oh, this is the part where I put stock into an elitist's opinion right? On what he thinks is "worthy" of his "almighty" attention?
You obviously still don’t know what elitism means. Let’s explain it again?
It’s elite thinking. Someone who thinks he or a group he belongs to is generally better at something than others, is an elitist. This can sometimes even be justified.
Elitism only makes an opinion worthless as long as the elitism is actually unjustified, and the topic involves the same the elitism involves.
Since I don’t have any opinion about myself being especially good at arguing or understanding MxO stories, this already doesn’t apply to me.
Someone who finds specific people or statements dumb or wrong, or considers himself right and smart, again, in specific cases, is not an elitist.
He might be “overconfident”, or “arrogant”, depending on the degree of correctness, but certainly not “elitist”.
Obviously, everything you write is worthy of my attention, otherwise I wouldn’t be responding to you, or even reading you.
It’s not about my “almighty” attention it’s supposed to deserve, it’s about the value I attribute to it according to my judgement. There can be something that makes me think “ok, this makes sense, and it’s correct”, or another thing that rather makes me think “nah, this is nonsensical and hardly an argument”.
If you don’t care about your arguments being nonsensical and someone on the other end seeing and voicing it, you obviously don’t need to pay any attention, right?
While I am, to a degree, an outsider both in real life as in the "MxO community", I know for sure that there are people who like or respect me, to some degree.
You mean your fanclub on MxO yes? Well GG, buddy.
I don’t have any fanclub. Do I have to be popular and famous to talk to you, or to matter in an argument? Gimme a break.
On the other side, as I said, I'm not so much about being a part of the community or being liked by everyone, so your intelligent way of concluding a rant post loses all its value.
To your elitist way of thinking, yes
Well no, you can’t hurt me by saying I have no friends, and I have a few friends – so, it makes no sense to say that, and it’s wrong. Thus, has no value.
Or do you refer to the first part? Well, I never said I wasn’t soo much into the community because I thought I was better than them, so again, no elitism.
What when you say "I don't care about your opinion", what are your reasons for saying so? If, according to yourself, I use information and data, and my points often contain tangible arguments, and basically react to every paragraph you write - what reason would you have not to consider my "opinion" except of your pride, and the conviction "I'm not gonna change any opinions because of something this jerk tells me lol"?
Because you keep basing your "arguments" within the context of the story we're agruing, and that's not what I'm talking about here. Of course now, you're going to read only that part, which is ok, it'll only serve to strengthen my opinion of you. No, what I'm talking about is how this story failed to meet the standards which were set in the first Matrix movie. What standards, you ask? The ambience(?) of the first movie, the tone it implied, not any hard data you seem to get all hot-n-bothered about.
Now, finally a paragraph that makes sense.
First of all, I don’t see what’s wrong about basing arguments on the context of a story that is the subject of discussion. But anyways.
Let me explain you: the ambience and tone are one aspect, “hard data” another. Disregarding hard data is just as stupid as disregarding emotional aspects is… dunno, not good.
Or are you someone who supports pure emotion without brain?
For example, I find the city, including the design, the colors/tints and music, very amazing in terms of atmosphere and feel.
The same also goes for the cinematics – all, or most of the old CGI ones, and some of the new ones.
I think they do some justice to the Matrix movies in terms of atmosphere, as did the sequels.
As far as the text goes (the only story aspect where you can talk about ambience, the rest is schematic game mechanics), I’m not quite sure about it, admittedly.
But there’s a problem with all this “feel” and “ambience” – it’s subjective, and only exists in your and my perception. There can’t be much argument about it except of exchanging emotions.
I can tolerate someone being discontent with the feel of, let’s say, the Anome arc, or actually I’m often even interested in what other people feel (except in this case, because it’s been stated so often that it’s become annoying, lol).
But I’m also interested in objective and rational aspects, and I’m actually able to talk only about them. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about emotion, but when I say “this is just about the rational aspects”, I obviously limit the scope of the discussion to this.
And, Aiolos, don’t talk like you were all about emotions. You weren’t. In that case, I would never have said anything except “oh well, I felt it was exciting”, but you obviously have brought some arguments falling into the “data” category. I have only argued against those, because I obviously found them wrong and contradictory (names that have a meaning in this category, unfortunately).
Whenever you bring up tangible arguments for your feelings, you step out of the pure emotion area, and become susceptible to argument and logical discussions. For example when you’re talking about loose ends or logical incosistensies.
As for the movies, there were aspects about the first movie and especially the sequels that I didn't like, but generally, I'm very positive about them and disagree with most of the negativity.
Call it open-mindedness, I accepted lots of the stuff that "didn't feel right".
As do I, but even someone like you has to admit that the last two movies, due in part mostly to the increase in budget, didn't feel the same as the first one. I'm not asking you to understand this, as you're beyond that, so whatever.
Already much of the original movie didn’t feel according to my expectations gained from trailers, posters or plot summaries, or from the first 45 dark and mesmerizing minutes.
Even more of the sequels felt different. Much did feel right or familiar, though, and I “accepted” much of what felt familiar or different, again, because of my taste and relative open-mindedness.
Actually, when I was talking about “some aspects of the first movie and the sequels I didn’t like” – I meant 100% emotional stuff, the way something felt. It had nothing to do with some logical inconsistencies or philosophical topics, at least not when I was talking about it.
Way to totally misinterpret a person.
By the way, I wonder how you can call me less of a Matrix fan if I, for example, liked the movies more than others. First and foremost, it's opinion, and why should one opinion, especially if it's more positive, make me less of a fan? Does that make any sense at all?
Of course not. And why should my opinion, especially of the Anome story, have brought all this drama? I'm trying to explain it one way, and you're trying to understand it in another. Of course there's going to be conflict in understanding, but you chose the low road and opted to berate me for my apparent lack of understanding. lol GG
First of all – emotion. I won’t claim it’s a positive trait of mine, but actually, when people bash something I like, I often get annoyed. If I have enough to say, or feel like an asshole at the moment, I might even go ahead and say that.
I admit, at the moment I told you “I still haven’t got what’s so bad about it”, I wasn’t thinking about feel or ambience, but only about data. This was largely due to me having had several “data” discussions about it, including recently, and constantly seeing arguments of tangible nature, including from yourself – all of which isn’t an excuse.
Or actually it is – how am I supposed to know you’re talking about emotions if your arguments are about objective isues? Oh that’s right, reading between the lines. Nah.
To answer your question – what brought all this drama? Certainly not your opinion – all your opinion did was causing me to post some stupid one-liner. The drama started when you posted a long rant filled with personal insults.
If you don’t understand some tangible aspect, apparently it makes sense for me to say you lack understanding. I would never say you lacked understanding if you disagreed with me on some feelings, only if I thought you really wouldn’t comprehend something.
So what is this “low road” I’m choosing? I understand the importance of emotions, but choose not to talk about them in a certain case. But you bash me for being analytical as if it were a bad thing, and make childish assumptions about me. Maybe you’re on the low road?
2) And on to the next point: if you had really read my posts about this topic more or less carefully, you'd know that I base my "protection" of the Unlimit arc (claimed to be "unMatrixy") on a premise: that the movies were Matrixy.
Think for yourself: if I ask "how are the Unlimits less Matrixy than the Twins"? Well, that surely doesn't make any sense if someone already thought the Twins sucked, eh? Exactly.
In this case, the only issue I'd have to argue about would be the word "Matrixy" actually excluding lots of the original movie material.
So there you go, your premise is that the sequels were also wrong, my premise is that all the movies were right and the game has to live up to them.
Why is this my premise? Because I had the impression it matched some critics’ opinions, or premises.
We are already talking in different languages, I wonder why you don’t realize that.
3) As long as we're talking about "feel" and perception, I already said right above you that I couldn't argue with someone's mere *opinion*, so why are you telling me this at all?
Why is your post so long, trying to argue with me?
Because what you said in the long post I replied to was either personal flaming and accusations, or (wrong) analytical stuff about the storyline.
Same in earlier cases.
In case you mean this question in a more general sense:
Why did you post such a long post with so many unprovoked flames?
Why do you constantly speak out for emotions and against rationality if the first one was apparently the *premise* for anything I said?
Why do you post such a long paragraph bringing up loose ends in the storyline (which have nothing to do with emotions, at all), going against what you’re preaching?
Why do you post a long post in response to a short one? Seriously man, look at your own post history, then start going after me.
4) Also, I wonder what you call "substance". Philosophy in the Matrix exists in the form of philosophical dialogues or allusions, but apart from that, there's action, characters and mere storyline
The sequels were full of that, as was the Anome arc (the latter one even lacked real philosophy as most of MxO) - so why no substance?
Because somewhere, the Anome story lost the "feel" of the Matrix, the tone of it, of which you are blatantly clueless.
As explained, “tone” and “feel” are subjective, I can’t be “right” about seeing any feel anywhere, as you can’t be “wrong” about not seeing it.
For example, I thought cinematic 5.1 captured the feel of the movies (particularly the Cypher scene) very well. The general feel and plot aswell as certain elements appeared very Matrixy to me.
The action in 5.2 I also found partially “Matrixy” in its ambience and style.
5.3 had a great feel, I’m not sure how it resembled the first movie or something, but it had a great feel.
6.1 also, to a part, but it was the worst of the four.
As for events and missions, I lack sensibility to compare written text inside schematic game mechanics to a work of art such as a movie.
I’d have to compare it to the dialogue in the movie… but, uh, can’t, I lack understanding here.
"I know what you mean, and you're right, I did say some things about that storyline that were, as you say, contradictory. But I'm not going to make excuses for myself."
I don't care about any excuses - if something's contradictory, and can be disproved or questioned to the degree that it loses any objective value, then apparently it isn't a very valid argument to base both one own's opionion on as to convince anyone else of it.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I wasn't arguing in the least, just stating what I thought of the story. You can't seem to grasp that and instead want to take this personally, which is why I waste my time on you.
Well, some of your points, or arguments, belonged to the “data” category.
I mean, sorry – you “feel” that the General handing the cheat codes to Niobe was nonsensical of him, rather than trying to tell me that it really didn’t make sense, or that you don’t see a sense in it?
That would be merging the “emotion” and “data” categories, my friend, something you shouldn’t do. We all have opinions and feelings on something, but if this something is of objective nature, these opinions might be wrong and stating them creates an arguable statement.
"You're zeroone, yes? I too read your posts; those long attempts at being philosophical about a plot that made no sense, trying to cover for the writers' mistakes."
By "it makes no sense", what do you mean?
I'm not even going to waste words on you about an argument that died months ago.
That’s ok, but let me clarify something: when something “doesn’t make sense”, it’s not about emotions, it’s about logic and facts.
So the discussion is a “data discussion”, nothing else – except you meant it made no sense for the writers to include a plot you don’t feel right about (rather than the plot not making sense in itself, which would definitely be a data question), but again, it’s subjective, so Chadwick made that because he apparently felt it wasn’t wrong - so why do you just go ahead and call him dumb?
So the writer's mistakes actually seem to be your lack of basic understanding, and when I'm explaining or discussing that, I'm trying to cover them up, yes? Brilliant logic.
Who asked you to explain anything? Certainly not me, b/c I could care less.
It’s “I couldn’t care less”.
No one asked me to explain anything, and I’m not doing it to do you a favor.
No – you posted some arguable statement and I responded to it because I thought it was wrong.
Who asked you to post your feelings, anyway? Certainly not me, and I don’t remember anyone here saying “please, aiolos, tell us what you think about the state of this game” – so why do you do that?
Anyways, this isn’t the point. The point is, you base your opinion that it doesn’t make sense on weak and invalid arguments (again, this isn’t about emotions), and me pointing it out by no means equals covering mistakes (simply because they aren’t mistakes, at least not from what you say).
"From what I remember, the cheat codes came out of nowhere. Why were they there? There was plenty of speculation: the anomoly code, etc.. but I don't ever remember it being explained."
They are ability codes that once belonged to Agents in a previous Matrix version. They were removed due to causing too many problems, but contained by the Machines.
The General hired the Demon's Army gang to steal the case from Kalt Chemical.
Everything has been explained.
Ah, well thank you, o wise one.
You made a blatant mistake, I pointed out the obvious to you.
You have no reason to make me look arrogant here, because I don’t attribute any intelligence or skills to myself for getting this glaringly obvious plot element.
Why this sarcasm? Come on, admit it – it’s your ego. You can’t take it to have made a mistake and admit your defeature (which it is, because this is a hostile flamewar), so you try to bite back with sarcasm.
And you accuse me of having a large ego?
"And with these codes being supposedly powerful as they were thought to be, the General casually tosses the key at Niobe. Now, why would anyone, even a leader of a supposedly "anti-authoritarian" movement, toss the key to the codes of which could tip the scales of the balance in anyone's favor? Why wouldn't he have kept it for himself? It made no sense, and was never explained, at least to my knowledge."
Actually, right now I'm a bit confused about the General's aims, which I think he even changed here and there.
I think first he wanted to disrupt the Truce and restart the War, but then decided to take revenge at the Machines or destroy the Matrix.
At one point, he said he wanted to help the humans, or Zion, but then he felt betrayed by them and decided to take revenge again.
I'm a bit lost here at the moment, which is first and foremost my own fault.
However, he certainly didn't aim to use these powers himself, all of these aims speak for handing them out to Zion. And since this is the only point of your paragraph, it's rebutted.
I stopped caring five months ago.
If you don’t care, don’t pay attention, and don’t understand, you have no right to post stuff about it and put it as something valid.
Or rather, you do have a right, but it doesn’t make sense and has a high error rate.
And if you stopped caring enough to think about something I explain to you, then how in hell do you care enough to make related points in a post, right here?
Hypocrisy’s bliss.
"but I'm also a writer, and I know hackneyed writing when I see it"
So you're a writer who knows a shitty story when you see it, eh?
You overlook the most trivial explanations the storyline gives, or maybe don't even read it in its entirety, and proclaim your glaring lack of knowledge and understanding as storyline demerits without even questioning it.
Tells lots about how great of a writer you are. Even more, of a story reviewer.
LOL!
oh, oh yes, you got me, hardy har har. A computer nerd who has no friends trying to argue data with me, someone who cares not for his opinion. oh, oh my, yes, the ultimate burn, b/c I obviously give a shit about your opinion. oh my, the great one has smited me.
There it goes again, the big, fat ego.
You can’t stand someone having smashed a point you brought up to make yourself look more competent, and explode in a rant of spiteful interjections and character assassination insults.
Sorry, bro. If you want to use your status as a writer (and writer ≠ writer) to support your competence and the worth of your opinion, your showed competence has to live up to what people attribute to “writers”, or to live up to the same abilities you use in your “job”.
So, even on the off-chance your sheer incompetence in these arguments doesn’t point you out as a very mediocre writer or even a pretender, it still shows that whatever competence you have in your job isn’t used here, making your point worthless, redundant and laughable.
Especially since you don’t care about and don’t pay attention to this story, according to yourself.
Even if I was a computer nerd without friends, which isn’t the case, and you weren’t arguing data yourself all the time, it wouldn’t matter to this discussion, only to your ego, and would remain nothing more than a pathetic character assassination attempt.
I could care less about the story. It doesn't interest me, and I'm not going to argue with you something I hold no interest in.
First, you make statements and claims about this thing that doesn’t interest you, but when confronted with opposition, you say you don’t want to argue about it, because it doesn’t interest you.
Too silly you have already written written statements about this thing that doesn’t interest you, so this sentence can easily be unmasked as an attempt to cover lack of opposition as lack of interest.
You're right, I have a vague idea of what the story was, but I know the general idea of it, and it's retarded. Just like I won't see a movie whose trailer failed to sell me on its concept. But you're not interested in that. You just feel the need satisfy your ego and get an upper hand on the four people or so who post here with any regularity. Just go back to your little circle of virtual "friends" and brag to each other on how l337 you all are. Meanwhile, I could care less about this argument that I never started or about your own misguided views.
A view is only misguided if it’s based on wrong premises (or something like that).
Even on the off-chance my views are misguided, you’d have to explain me more or less intelligibly why they’re wrong – which means, if you call me misguided now, it’s not worth anything.
And hearing abstract accusations from someone who’s basing his own opinions on nonsense and absurdity isn’t either.
I don’t brag to anyone how leet I am, actually there are lots of people I consider equal, or even superior in personality, understanding and knowledge.
By contrast, there are some I look down to. All of this is based on my specific impression of each individual, not on some prejudice that I or a group I belong to are “leet”.
I never spend online time hanging in “virtual friends circles”, this isn’t my way.
I try to satisfy my ego by getting an upperhand on the people who post stupid and wrong things, are arrogant and aggressive about it, and with whom I stand in a hostile relation.
Not just anyone who posts somewhere or has a disagreeing opinion.
If you know nothing but the general idea of something – then all you can say is, “I know this general idea and I find it stupid”, but you have no right… pardon, it doesn’t make sense for you to make claims about details and to bring up arguments.
Because this is exactly what you’ve done, and you’ve failed at it – fallen on your face.
Oh, and seandavis, just so you don't get a hard-on, I'm not responding to you b/c I'm choosing to simply ignore your presence i.e. blocking you.
Which is exactly why I get a boner?
By the way, blocking only works when you’ve logged in, and even then you know that the blocking object has posted something, and nothing stops you from clicking “un-block” if you can’t withstand the temptation to see what it might be.
So basically, you need to come up with more than threatening to use a function that doesn’t display someone’s posts if checked to prevent me from getting a… ahem. Err, forgot.
Your egoist thinking, at this point, will obviously conjure up something along these lines: "yes, I've won! I r l337! he's blocking me and therefore conceding defeat! I beat him! yar!!"
What does egoism have to do with anything? Looks like a wrong word selection.
Actually, no. I already have similar thoughts (namely, “omg he’s stupid lol”) when I see someone post nonsense.
I already do think “lol I’ve won 1337 ftw” when I post a comment that, in my perception, pwns the OP.
This feeling can be removed if my opponent then posts something that makes me look stupid, points out an error of mine, or generally is valid and worth considering.
But of course, it’s only enforced if the answer is personal, angry, disruptive and even more nonsensical then the previous one.
I’ve partaken in many discussions on different forums where I had the last word and people didn’t reply to me after a number of post exchanges. However, these people were constructive, their thoughts were organized, and my responses weren’t that “pwning”.
So when I saw their lack of response, it rather looked like they weren’t interested in continuing the argument, rather than they wanted to avoid admitting and defeature or something.
But this is not this kind of discussion, so yes, I will interpret your lack of response as admittance of defeature.
Nay sir, as talking with you is like trying to explain math to a baby: the baby doesn't understand so it cries and shits on itself, which is all you've done imho. GG seandavis, I salute you
We both don’t understand each other.
However, in my case, it’s some vague, unorganized and apparently nonsensical and misplaced babble that I fail to interpret the right way and decrypt.
In your case, you’re often not able to read very simple declarations, and fail to respond to a point that wasn’t hidden anywhere between the lines but was straightly expressed right there, black on white.
Then, you’re saying you’re trying to “explain” something, eh? Something I’m supposed to understand? But there is nothing to understand about “I feel this way”, so apparently, you’re referring to something more tangible, and thus less emotional, correct? But when it gets tangible, I also start scrutinizing, and that’s where you’ve failed in my eyes.
At this point, I’ll refrain from cheap shots like “but I didn’t ask you to explain anything”, or “I don’t care about your explanations”, because it would be stupid.
As to your baby example, I could say exactly the same thing reversely, referring to you, but with much more correctness and sense.
For example, that old DN1 example: I explain(!) you something about SF ideas, character development or story elements, putting actual thought into it, and you manage to interpret it as a “philosophical lecture” or “elitist ego rant”.
So basically, you haven’t got a thing and give nonsensical names to my post, which is pretty equivalent to “crying and shitting on oneself”. Another glass house broken.
Maths is something very logical, definite and objective. There are definite rules, definite conventions, and undisprovable logic and evidences.
So even ignoring that this is exactly the opposite of “emotions”, which you have exceeded several times in your argumentations, your statements were either false and uninformed, didn’t make much sense or simply were hardly intelligible.
Maths is straightforward and unmisunderstandable, there’s nothing in maths to “read between the lines”, so don’t compare your weak argumentation to the science of precision and logic.
Back on topic now.
While the Anome story sucked (don't tell seandavis that, he might get his panties in a bundle and go off on a tirade trying to explain how much he r l337) it seems to be picking up some steam with Seraph coming back. I won't spoil anything for those interested, but things are definitely getting interesting, at least a little
The only real truth is, you feel the Anome story sucked, and you feel the Seraph storyline picks up steam.
I for example don’t think, no, don’t feel this plot is really “Matrixy”, or more “Matrixy” than Unlimit. The cinematic, to me, felt like something entirely different, while some of the previous ones actually reminded me of the movies’ ambience a lot.
There is nothing more to that.