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sadnebula
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I'm fed up with companies releasing half assed games under one pretext or another, and then expecting the gaming community to foot the bill while they carry on with sitting things right.
Vanguard , while not the only, is the latest in this trend. A good game, yes, great, no. No new ground was broken here. it's the same old gaming system that doesn't allow players to create a bad char. just add a few points every lv. buy your new spell every 2 lvs. nothing new.
body runs, nothing new, ac had this in the late 90's. But all in all not a bad game just not the game that was hyped up at release.
But no matter how good this game is or isn't we should not have to pay to play an unfinished product. This is the only area that companies can get away with this in. Think about what you spend money on from week to week. would you accept this type of workmanship in any of your other purchases ? So why do we as a gaming community accept this and even defend this type action from the sigils, the soe's and others?
Bottom line, the buck stops here. my 15 bucks is going back in my pocket until someone releases a game worth my money each month
That i enjoy.
Vanguard , while not the only, is the latest in this trend. A good game, yes, great, no. No new ground was broken here. it's the same old gaming system that doesn't allow players to create a bad char. just add a few points every lv. buy your new spell every 2 lvs. nothing new.
body runs, nothing new, ac had this in the late 90's. But all in all not a bad game just not the game that was hyped up at release.
But no matter how good this game is or isn't we should not have to pay to play an unfinished product. This is the only area that companies can get away with this in. Think about what you spend money on from week to week. would you accept this type of workmanship in any of your other purchases ? So why do we as a gaming community accept this and even defend this type action from the sigils, the soe's and others?
Bottom line, the buck stops here. my 15 bucks is going back in my pocket until someone releases a game worth my money each month
That i enjoy.
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Vanguard ( or any mmorpg for that matter ) costs the average gamer about 10-20 cents an hour to play over the course of a year. Less than a cup of coffee or a can of Coke. How can one complain about playing a $30+ million production and yet only charge 10-20 cents an hour to play? Where else can one find such value? No mmorpg is EVER done..finished...optimized ect. Computer games in general always require some kind of patching to be done..some more..some less...but always some. I'm getting my value and then some out of Vanguard. If you can't handle that then I suggest you stick to your Xbox for the next 5-10 years...by then computers should be much more standardized.
I don't recall anyone stating VG was going to be next gen....in fact...I recall the emphasis was on the fact that Sigil cherry picked what they thought was best in other mmo's and developed these features in VG. That's not next gen...that's just smart.
Next gen will likely be virtual reality or something simular... perhaps massive enhancements to NPC AI..Their isn't much else that can be done in mmorpg's with the hardware available to your average consumer these days.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
Lol I usually go against the current topic because I like to rebutt..But man...
I agree with you guys completely
Vanguard was ruined when it was announced that it's company went in bed with "The Star Wars Killers" (you know who i mean)
On SWG lol..(that game is dead) i logged in for free trial..no players lol..i'm lookin around everywhere..no1
SOE ruins w/e game it gets its hands on...now it got hold of Vanguard...It would be a nice game about now..but soon it's gunna go blank...no players..no one
I was looking forward to it, but the minute I heard that SOE is now the developer, I erased it from my mind...
I feel sorry for the people who pre-paid =(
Fun Fact: No store in Toronto that received copies of Vanguard sold a single copy
"No mmorpg is EVER done..finished...optimized" No mmorpg is EVER optimized? I agree with the done and finished parts but optimized? Alot of mmos have released in much better states than VSoH has. WoW had a rocky release but the game still ran quite well, most of the issues were from massive server overload. Don't mean to mention LotRO but it is looking to set the standard in the department of newly released mmos.
You obviously never followed VSoH, you have just proved yourself not only a fanboi but a newcomer to VSoH. VSoH was hyped up to be next-gen numerous times by Brad himself. It was to follow "the vision" and be for the core gamers yada yada *insert brad hype here*, it has strayed very far from the vision. Exp weekends are the perfect example of visions going down the toilet.
Next gen will include mmos like age of conan and aion who are adding new and exciting features to the jaded genre. Of course next gen can be considered a personal opinion. But AoC is radically advancing combat and Aion is going to be showing everyone how worlds and servers can really change based on player actions. Those features are pretty next-gen imo.
I know you like VSoH just some of the things you say are extremely weird. Like if you can't handle it go play xbox. We can all handle bugs/patches etc. but some of us can't handle mmorpgs being released in beta stages. There is a difference between being unfinished and not ready for release and being unfinished and ready for release.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
dude omg sick point
I noticed that skrewed P2P games and F2P games run on huge data for some reason instead of compressing...
When I play normal P2P games like WoW and GW..my comp runs fine..When I open Last Chaos or the likes...My computer roars up like a 1980s car....And my CPU Usage whoops up 50%....Trust me, it's not pleasant...F2P games can't afford to compress their data and they torture my computer, for which I paid over 10,000 pounds...Thr problem isn't in my computer for sure...And also..omg...THE LAG...badly organized games LAG...I also tried Vanguard..my computer roared up, CPU Usage went to an enormous 94% and it froze..Had to call the mechanic and pay around 100 pounds for him to fix it...From then on, I haven't loaded up VG ever again...Mostly because I un-installed it xD
I fell like a noob...too much Elites...
I'm sorry, but I've grown really weary of this argument. No one is forced to pay for anything. Anyone who has done even the lightest research, i.e. read any number of posts on this site, knows that Vanguard continues to be unfinished. Even the most ardent VanFans have acknowledged its continuing beta status. Anyone who pays their good money for Vanguard and expects anything else has only themselves to blame. <rant over>
Sadly people dont, they get hyped up, and buy it, as a result SoE will continue to push out buggy and unfinished MMO's.
Unfortunately, im guilty of buying Vanguard, my excuse was that ive got bugger all else to play.
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I agree with you on some points...Not others...True, no one is forcing us to pay for Vanguard...But this isn't a discussion about the payment of Vanguard..We're discussing its quality...You'd know that if you had read the posts....The quality went from good to VERY BAD when SOE took over...Have you ever played SWG? SPRPG-Single Player Role Playing Game. SOE ruined it so bad that absolutely no one plays it now...If you login for at least free trial, you'll see..My prediction is that the same will happen to Vanguard..With SOE at the rains, the horse (in this case VG) won't last long...You'll see...It will loose all it's players and only the database, ruined by SOE will remain. My advice? Stop Playing VG and get yourself a good game unless you want to be the only person in the whole world playing that game.
/shrug
SoE handle EQ2 just fine. It's never looked or played better, or had more good things to do. It really is time to let SWG go... I mean.. We get it ok? No need to keep on banging the same worn out drum over something thats dead and gone.
Vanguard was scrwed a *long* time before SoE got their fingers in it. All they did is enforce a release date on it in return for the use of their resources, which is very fair imho considering MS had dumped Sigil for their ineptitude and how long they have had to make this pig's ear out of the silk purse that they had been given...
I bought VG, and now I'm back with EQ2. Both SoE, but honestly worlds apart.
That's because you are a fanboi who hides from inconvenient facts. From among the million places Brad boasted of this, try Sigil's website:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:xEDDYDO3PIYJ:www.sigilgames.com/team/bradmcquaid.html+vanguard+mcquaid+third+generation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
"Currently, Brad is involved with Sigil's next generation massively multiplayer online RPG to be co-published by Sony Online Entertainment: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes."
"In January of 2002, Brad McQuaid and Jeff Butler formed Sigil Games Online, Inc., a new company dedicated to the development of next generation of massively multiplayer games."
"While it's too early to reveal some of the truly third generation features in Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, suffice it to say that Brad feels the industry has only scratched the surface in terms of where MMOGs can and will head ..."
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
bwaha srry bout "banging on the same worn out drum" over and over again...didn't realise it lol
just wanted to making my point
neways, about EQ....it's only good because SoE doesn't have the majority of the developing..the things players need fixed: SoE's doing...the things players like about EQ: another company
VG was skrewed before SoE had it because of lack of publicity...if no1 knows, no1 buys
the meaning of mmorpg life lol....
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Lol i better stop chatting or I'll be late for school =S
Peace out
My email will update me with the latest on this topic and I'll make some posts after I come back from school on it lol
Looks like I'm going to gather round 30 points with the posts I'm doin today
Fun Facts:
GaH is being born
EQ lives
VG: SoH is dying
SWG is dead
Omg will SOE stop skrewing up games????
We should have a general discussion about how we all hate SoE...
That's because you are a fanboi who hides from inconvenient facts. From among the million places Brad boasted of this, try Sigil's website:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:xEDDYDO3PIYJ:www.sigilgames.com/team/bradmcquaid.html+vanguard+mcquaid+third+generation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
"Currently, Brad is involved with Sigil's next generation massively multiplayer online RPG to be co-published by Sony Online Entertainment: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes."
"In January of 2002, Brad McQuaid and Jeff Butler formed Sigil Games Online, Inc., a new company dedicated to the development of next generation of massively multiplayer games."
"While it's too early to reveal some of the truly third generation features in Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, suffice it to say that Brad feels the industry has only scratched the surface in terms of where MMOGs can and will head ..."
That post was FTW. Btw some very fragile bleeding heart vanboii reported me before for pointing out the obvious on another post.FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Bug Testing and Development is for Alpha and Beta phases, not the released product.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
1) Brad has explained about ten times what he ment by next-generation/third generation mmo...
2) Brad is not responsible for what others (not under his "command") say...
3) CEOs aren't the best source usually for objectivity about theyr product..
Zomg, I'm fed up of people speaking as if they could manage a billion worth company, market products, develop them etc when they can't even:
1) get info that has been spammed over and over, all over the place, with a cherry on the top
2) get the common sense of a 5 years old
NB: Don't take it personaly but you'r just the last one of a serie of f00ls that are getting on the nerves of people that enjoy Vanguard, or want to give it a fair chance.
What you can say is Brad does communicate alot and usually very honestly and precisely. Some times he doesn't achieves his aim.. like everybody else.
Anyway, as was said, YOU (the OP) MUST BE BLIND to ignore the state of Vanguard...
And I still got that nude photo of Yoda for thoses in that kind of stuff
I'm sorry, but I've grown really weary of this argument. No one is forced to pay for anything. Anyone who has done even the lightest research, i.e. read any number of posts on this site, knows that Vanguard continues to be unfinished. Even the most ardent VanFans have acknowledged its continuing beta status. Anyone who pays their good money for Vanguard and expects anything else has only themselves to blame. <rant over>
This was not true upon release. Around that time, there was this huge surge of positivity from the Vanbois (and/or stealth marketers), claiming that things had improved SO much in the last couple of weeks of beta. A lot of people were tricked into paying good money for a terrible game that they would never have bought otherwise.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Quick...everyone jump on the "Bash SOE" bandwagon.
This is just getting old. Yes, SOE PUBLISHES Vanguard. Sigil develops it. There is a difference.
First, I am not a SOE fan. In fact I am an SWG Vet. I have no love for them. However, lay blame where it is due at least in the rants you spew onto this forum.
Yes, SOE screwed SWG...after 2 strong years. All the bugs, all the patchs, and all the crap people still loved the game, and obviously, still do. (Yes, I am one of the people who really miss pre-CU SWG)
Now...EQ2. started horrible. SOE changed a bunch of things, revamped the game, and now...a much better game that actually has people playing it and enjoying it.
So..other then SWG, what has SOE killed? Matrix? Hardly, that game was dead when they bought it. Planetside? Never played it but I have heard it was alright. EQ1? nope. Hell, even EQOA for the PS2 did well for itself.
I guess my point is at least point blame where it should be. I play Vanguard. I enjoy Vanguard. However I will freely admit, like most that play it even though all the trolls wont admit it, there are alot of bugs. But I give Sigil credit with the fact they are trying to better the game.
At least SOE knows how to manage patch downloads and billing( this is from my experience, i have seen the "OMG SOE is still charging me after I cancelled!!!" threads. I have cancelled several times with SOE and have never had a problem. Maybe these people should learn to read through everything and make sure they follow all the CORRECT steps for doing something instead of just assuming the company is trying to screw them. You want this, go subscribe to Dark and Light and then talk to me about billing issues. I still get e-mails from those people and I never even logged into their game
). Unlike some other MMO's who's downloader sucks so bad you may or may not get the recent patch unless you go to a mirror site to get what blizzard just released. Whoops...the name just slipped out...
I have played alot of MMO's and honestly I have had less problems with games published by SOE then any other. And I'll be sitting back giggling to myself when all the "next big game"s get tanked in these forums as well. Cause the only thing that flows freely on this site is hate towards whatever game the most recent batch of trolls decides they hate. Played LOTR, got bored. Have watched AoC...doesnt look earthshattering to me but I may give it a shot. Darkfall looks interesting. Tabula Rosa looks like it could be very interesting and, at least theres no dwarves and elves.
I often wonder how much the tune would change for some people if their "next big game" lost it's publisher and SOE picked it up.
At any rate, let me say again, I have no love for SOE and Vanguard is indeed bugged but jesus, at least try to follow topic instead of just jumping in and bashing SOE just for the sake of bashing them. Personally I agree with SOE forcing Sigil to release Vanguard, finished or not, after all...they had been working on it for 4+ years. Sh*t or get off the pot, as the saying goes.
Thalos Vipav
Star Wars Galaxies: R.I.P.
I'm sorry, but I've grown really weary of this argument. No one is forced to pay for anything. Anyone who has done even the lightest research, i.e. read any number of posts on this site, knows that Vanguard continues to be unfinished. Even the most ardent VanFans have acknowledged its continuing beta status. Anyone who pays their good money for Vanguard and expects anything else has only themselves to blame. <rant over>
This was not true upon release. Around that time, there was this huge surge of positivity from the Vanbois (and/or stealth marketers), claiming that things had improved SO much in the last couple of weeks of beta. A lot of people were tricked into paying good money for a terrible game that they would never have bought otherwise.
obviously you never played it cause in couple weeks prior to release and just after Sigil DID patch alot fo things and fixed some major performance issues. They took care of alot of the play killing bugs.
oh wait...I must be a vanboi or a "steath marketer"
please. I play the game and like it. I dont hide that. However, I highly doubt that I "convinced" anyone to buy the game. No one held a gun to anyones head and said "buy this game or else" Dont blame other people cause you cant think for yourself, bottom line.
Thalos Vipav
Star Wars Galaxies: R.I.P.
vanguard is finished enough for me and my wife and my son , if you dont like the game dont play it lol that simple