Originally posted by macpete Thank you very much for the infos.I know that the requirements I've posted are the recommended requirements. Usually the "recommended" requirements are more revealing than the "minimum" requirements ... my computer met Vanguard SoH's minimum requirements, for example, but ... well, you know what I mean.Judging from the most recent videos I've seen in the PlanetTR fansite the game seems very polished indeed. I hope it will preserve its visual appeal even on the computers that meet the minimum requirements ...
There's a difference. Vanguard is published by SOE... which means they didn't let Sigil have enough time to optimize everything before release. Hence: you have a buggy game that runs slower than it would if they took an extra 1-2 months to optimize the code.
Basically: steer clear of SOE, and live a happy life
Well, I don't dislike SoE games but I think Sony - as a whole - is crossing a very down period. They have lost their focus ... it reminds me of Apple in the 1990s.
I have to admit that NCSoft MMOs seem usually well-finished ...
I don't necessarily equate a game's publisher with it's quality. Just because SoE is publishing Vanguard for Sigil doesn't mean SoE has final uber control over every detail. In fact, I seem to recall the Sigil guys saying they have full control and final say-so, that was one of their bullet points for signing up with SoE to begin with since they have a history with SoE's practices from their EQ days. "We ran out of money and had to release early" doesn't equal "SoE said to release and they're the bosses" in my books. SoE has a bad reputation -- primarily from the SWG fiasco -- but name a publisher who doesn't get bashed by the gamers? 8 million served or not, people bash Blizzard daily. Same with EA and Microsoft. Stupid patching policies aside (I'm looking at you, Microsoft) if the quality is lacking, blame the developers not the publisher.
but name a publisher who doesn't get bashed by the gamers? 8 million served or not, people bash Blizzard daily. Same with EA and Microsoft. Stupid patching policies aside (I'm looking at you, Microsoft) if the quality is lacking, blame the developers not the publisher.
Oh, yes ... I agree with you. Although I'm not playing SoE games at the moment (I'm still looking for the right MMO for the old, slow and casual gamer I am), I've loved EQ2 and I've even played the old Everquest Mac Ed. for a couple of months (don't laugh, they may be few - only 3 or 4 hundreds players - but it's the best community I've ever met).
SoE has a lot of experience and it shows but lately I've found its vision of the MMO market a bit vague ...
Anyway, maybe because I'm a journalist, I'd prefer to observe what happens in this industry and remain silent instead of blaming every game that doesn't come up to my expectations ...
On the contrary, I think that this industry is a melting pot of talented individuals and I think there are good ideas almost in every major MMO out here ...
Now, let's hope they're checking our applications for the beta
Yeah, I'm with ya in the search for "my perfect MMO." Haven't found it yet. I'm currently on my second burnout break from WoW -- I seem to be a rarity among WoW players, The Burning Crusades actually was a huge turn-off for me, and honestly, all of WoW is nothing more than a grind, they just hide it better than most games do (until you hit 60 anyway). Mind you, I'm not jumping on the "WoW is Easy Mode" bandwagon, I simply have my gripes and I'm burnt out on it.
I'm ready for a true next-gen MMORPG. Aren't we past the whole concept of "levels" yet? I don't go to work and tell people I'm a Level X Pilot. And the bulk of MMO's also fall into the category of "your gear defines you" which is where the whole "casual vs. hardcore" arguments start cropping up. Myself, I probably fall into the HUGE grey area in the middle of casual and hardcore. I play when I want, be it only for an hour or so, or if I happen to have a day completely to myself and all other Real Life issues have been taken care of, if I feel like vegging out on an MMO for 14 hours, so be it. I do the dungeons, I raid. But honestly, after the first couple times the newness wears off and soon I can sit back and read a book or pay very little attention and just spam a couple action buttons. Running the exact same instance over and over and over gets boring fast, especially when you have 19 or 39 other players doing their own thing, going afk, whatever else and next thing you know 7 hours have passed and what do I have to show for it? A headache, a sore back, and a huge repair bill (well, until I made my hunter my main character anyway lol). But suffering through the raids ad nauseum to complete whichever Tier set I'm working on is what defines me, unfortunately. If you don't have your Tier 3 and all the uber weapons and trinkets, you may as well be a level 3 nooblet in many player's minds. Sure, I like having shiny new gear that makes my character look even cooler, and hopefully be more effective, and it's possibly something to give me as the player something to work towards, I'd still rather have a more character skill-based game system where the gear is a by-product or reward, not the end-all, be-all of existence.
I'm actually ok with having the dungeons and raids in a game, but I'd at least like them to require some actual skill, rather than the equivalent of getting 40 people doing synchronized line dancing. Most current raid content is choreographed; all the player group has to do is figure out what dance steps to make to match those of the mobs and bosses. Onyxia is a great example. Three phases, we all know exactly what she's going to do in each phase, we run in and she's down in 10 minutes. Now, from my reading of the fantasy genre, dragons should be uber badasses of the nth degree. I'd much rather see an Onyxia with some very dynamic AI. Sure, there'll still be a counter-strategy the players will need to know, but at least you don't know which tactic she'd use on you at any given moment, which makes each repeat battle a fresh experience.
dang this game sure is demanding, I don't even pass all the min requirements, i think the ram and vid card are what i pass. The recommended is like twice my puters stats. gotta luv 4 year olds
Dunt forget theres a age requirment. u must be 19 years old. Personally, I undersetand they want a mature testers, but is it really comparable to real-release audience? for course there will be players of tr who are 15-16 even less.I think the main requirment should be depended on computer and mmo-testing experience, rather than age. (though 13 years old in mmos can be rather annoying , eh?)
lol, that leaves me out. (dang, gotta wait a few more months)
Exactly, altho in later phases and open beta its likerly DG won't require people to sign this NDA because it just doesnt matter when its 1 month or 2 months away from release, so if you'r under 18 aim for the open beta.
u must be 19 years old. Personally, I understand they want mature testers, but is it really comparable to real-release audience?
Actually, yes. According to the ESA and many other articles I've happened across, the average age of gamers these days is 28-35. The ESA puts them at 33 in their Top 10 Facts article. In most of my time playing various MMO's over the years, I've actually come into contact (meaning grouped with and/or in voice chat with, not reading the kiddies spamming general chat channels) with few teens, or at least those in their low teens. The 17-19 crowd most often have at least part-time jobs and can afford their own MMO payments, as well as having social lives and being a little more able to handle themselves in an online (as well as offline) social community. Parents are more likely to be willing to shell out $60 per year for an Xbox Live Gold membership for their kids than an average of $180 per year for an MMO subscription.
i won a beta slot from auto assault. when can i expect a email?
When we get closer to starting the beta in a few weeks. We are just taking applications at this time. You will get an email.
And oh - if you mess up on your beta application you can go create a new plaync account and re-apply. I know, I know, you should be able to change it, but until we can fix it re-applying will work.
Wow. You're on these forums too, Cuppa? When do you find time to breathe?
I am also looking forward to an email back on my app. Good to know the timetable on it.
but name a publisher who doesn't get bashed by the gamers? 8 million served or not, people bash Blizzard daily. Same with EA and Microsoft. Stupid patching policies aside (I'm looking at you, Microsoft) if the quality is lacking, blame the developers not the publisher.
Oh, yes ... I agree with you. Although I'm not playing SoE games at the moment (I'm still looking for the right MMO for the old, slow and casual gamer I am), I've loved EQ2 and I've even played the old Everquest Mac Ed. for a couple of months (don't laugh, they may be few - only 3 or 4 hundreds players - but it's the best community I've ever met).
SoE has a lot of experience and it shows but lately I've found its vision of the MMO market a bit vague ...
Anyway, maybe because I'm a journalist, I'd prefer to observe what happens in this industry and remain silent instead of blaming every game that doesn't come up to my expectations ...
On the contrary, I think that this industry is a melting pot of talented individuals and I think there are good ideas almost in every major MMO out here ...
Now, let's hope they're checking our applications for the beta
Have you ever considered EVE online? It's gameplay is almost structured to favor the slow and casual gamer. It's a nice game to play on the side for me.
Have you ever considered EVE online? It's gameplay is almost structured to favor the slow and casual gamer. It's a nice game to play on the side for me.
Plus if you are lucky you will have a dev in your guild who cheats so your guild can be even better.
Well the competition winners got their invites last week, and they said they wanted fresh faces so maybe every second week. But then I am just a fan so really I am just guessing.
It's likerly itll take alittle bit longer just in the start, who knows, but id also think next wave will come within 2-5 weeks. And for once i think think my far-end guess is the right one. It could be 2 or 3 just aswell.
Question: I have an AMD CPU in the FX series. Although it runs at 2.2 GHz, it outperforms a P4 3.6 GHz on most benchmarks. I'm assuming that when I put in the speed of my processor into the beta sign-up sheet, those reviewing the applications understand this quirk of AMD chips, no?
MMO games played or tested: EQ, DAoC, Archlord, Auto Assault, CoH, CoV, EQ2, EVE, Guild Wars, Hellgate: London, Linneage II, LOTRO, MxO, Planetside, SWG, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WWIIOL, WOW, Age of Conan
Most Likely that will be the case Gammit. it would be unfair to select a 1 over a 2 because of the higher number, regardless of whether or not 1 is more powerful than 2. (in nummeral terms here... not exactly saying a single core is better than dual or intel 1 - 2 kinda thing. just giving an example)
Anyways, really hoping to get into this beta, i'm loving the idea of the game and hopefully when its out, it'll provide at least some of us an alternative to that stickler WoW.
Everquest - 2000 - '02 Anarchy Online - '01-'02 Earth and Beyond - '02-'04 Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07) World of Warcraft - '04-'07 Age of Conan - '08 - shelved. -Waiting on- Star Trek Online SW: The Old Republic
I signed up for beta for TR a few days ago, i also just bought Vanguard, so if i get accepted i probably wont have room on my crap pc to hold TR lol, o well, delete all my music? :P
Nah, just dish out some two-digits of cash for a mini hard drive about 30-60 Gigs and expand the HD
Everquest - 2000 - '02 Anarchy Online - '01-'02 Earth and Beyond - '02-'04 Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07) World of Warcraft - '04-'07 Age of Conan - '08 - shelved. -Waiting on- Star Trek Online SW: The Old Republic
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There's a difference. Vanguard is published by SOE... which means they didn't let Sigil have enough time to optimize everything before release. Hence: you have a buggy game that runs slower than it would if they took an extra 1-2 months to optimize the code.
Basically: steer clear of SOE, and live a happy life
I have to admit that NCSoft MMOs seem usually well-finished ...
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Oh, yes ... I agree with you. Although I'm not playing SoE games at the moment (I'm still looking for the right MMO for the old, slow and casual gamer I am), I've loved EQ2 and I've even played the old Everquest Mac Ed. for a couple of months (don't laugh, they may be few - only 3 or 4 hundreds players - but it's the best community I've ever met).
SoE has a lot of experience and it shows but lately I've found its vision of the MMO market a bit vague ...
Anyway, maybe because I'm a journalist, I'd prefer to observe what happens in this industry and remain silent instead of blaming every game that doesn't come up to my expectations ...
On the contrary, I think that this industry is a melting pot of talented individuals and I think there are good ideas almost in every major MMO out here ...
Now, let's hope they're checking our applications for the beta
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I'm ready for a true next-gen MMORPG. Aren't we past the whole concept of "levels" yet? I don't go to work and tell people I'm a Level X Pilot. And the bulk of MMO's also fall into the category of "your gear defines you" which is where the whole "casual vs. hardcore" arguments start cropping up. Myself, I probably fall into the HUGE grey area in the middle of casual and hardcore. I play when I want, be it only for an hour or so, or if I happen to have a day completely to myself and all other Real Life issues have been taken care of, if I feel like vegging out on an MMO for 14 hours, so be it. I do the dungeons, I raid. But honestly, after the first couple times the newness wears off and soon I can sit back and read a book or pay very little attention and just spam a couple action buttons. Running the exact same instance over and over and over gets boring fast, especially when you have 19 or 39 other players doing their own thing, going afk, whatever else and next thing you know 7 hours have passed and what do I have to show for it? A headache, a sore back, and a huge repair bill (well, until I made my hunter my main character anyway lol). But suffering through the raids ad nauseum to complete whichever Tier set I'm working on is what defines me, unfortunately. If you don't have your Tier 3 and all the uber weapons and trinkets, you may as well be a level 3 nooblet in many player's minds. Sure, I like having shiny new gear that makes my character look even cooler, and hopefully be more effective, and it's possibly something to give me as the player something to work towards, I'd still rather have a more character skill-based game system where the gear is a by-product or reward, not the end-all, be-all of existence.
I'm actually ok with having the dungeons and raids in a game, but I'd at least like them to require some actual skill, rather than the equivalent of getting 40 people doing synchronized line dancing. Most current raid content is choreographed; all the player group has to do is figure out what dance steps to make to match those of the mobs and bosses. Onyxia is a great example. Three phases, we all know exactly what she's going to do in each phase, we run in and she's down in 10 minutes. Now, from my reading of the fantasy genre, dragons should be uber badasses of the nth degree. I'd much rather see an Onyxia with some very dynamic AI. Sure, there'll still be a counter-strategy the players will need to know, but at least you don't know which tactic she'd use on you at any given moment, which makes each repeat battle a fresh experience.
dang this game sure is demanding, I don't even pass all the min requirements, i think the ram and vid card are what i pass. The recommended is like twice my puters stats. gotta luv 4 year olds
lol, that leaves me out. (dang, gotta wait a few more months)
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Guild Wars
-Danish Kokor-lvl 20 monk/mesmer
-Ettarde Aoi- lvl 7 warrior/ranher
Maple Story
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Runescape
-Lady Ettarde-lvl 58
And oh - if you mess up on your beta application you can go create a new plaync account and re-apply. I know, I know, you should be able to change it, but until we can fix it re-applying will work.
Wow. You're on these forums too, Cuppa? When do you find time to breathe?
I am also looking forward to an email back on my app. Good to know the timetable on it.
Plus if you are lucky you will have a dev in your guild who cheats so your guild can be even better.
I was in COH/COV and Auto Assault Beta so I'm hoping I'll be chosen to try this one as well.
The game looks like it has potential.
Well the competition winners got their invites last week, and they said they wanted fresh faces so maybe every second week. But then I am just a fan so really I am just guessing.
Unless CuppaJo says it - its not official.
It's likerly itll take alittle bit longer just in the start, who knows, but id also think next wave will come within 2-5 weeks. And for once i think think my far-end guess is the right one. It could be 2 or 3 just aswell.
Well i signed up last night for beta testing.
i aactualy never even noticed game till i seen a post here show up on the front page and was like hmm interesting.
Then i checked it out seen lord british is behind it !!
So i was like gotta get behind this game the guys a legend.
Ive beta tested most about 4 or 5 mmo's now
hope i get into testing for this looks really interesting.
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MMO games played or tested: EQ, DAoC, Archlord, Auto Assault, CoH, CoV, EQ2, EVE, Guild Wars, Hellgate: London, Linneage II, LOTRO, MxO, Planetside, SWG, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WWIIOL, WOW, Age of Conan
Anyways, really hoping to get into this beta, i'm loving the idea of the game and hopefully when its out, it'll provide at least some of us an alternative to that stickler WoW.
Everquest - 2000 - '02
Anarchy Online - '01-'02
Earth and Beyond - '02-'04
Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07)
World of Warcraft - '04-'07
Age of Conan - '08 - shelved.
-Waiting on-
Star Trek Online
SW: The Old Republic
If not, well all just have to go and mope in the corner untill summer and open beta comes......
Everquest - 2000 - '02
Anarchy Online - '01-'02
Earth and Beyond - '02-'04
Star Wars Galaxies - '03-'06('07)
World of Warcraft - '04-'07
Age of Conan - '08 - shelved.
-Waiting on-
Star Trek Online
SW: The Old Republic